I Was going through some old clothes and found his jersey that I probably last worn since 2003 and I laughed to myself because the first thing that popped into my head was 2000 NFC championship game vs Minnesota (41-0) and the second was the Super Bowl. It's been discussed on here many times that if the Giants won in 2000 Fassel would've been here longer and we wouldn't get Eli/Coughlin and yada yada.
My opinion on Kerry is a positive one. Good memories and bad ones. But when he was on, he was dangerous. Best memory is the 02 game vs the Colts where he had a perfect passer rating. Another favorite was the drive vs Seattle in 2001 late in the season. What about you?
If you had a good OL protecting him, he was lethal.
Everything I've heard about him as a person is that he's a world class prick.
I was a huge fan of his at Penn State and loved the signing.
It almost got us a championship.
2) He returned the franchise to contention.
3) He didn't choke in the Super Bowl. Fassel and Payton did. They had a terrible gameplan of doing nothing but looking deep and didn't waver until it was much too late.
in comparison i only have one good memory each of brown and graham (brown trucking prime time and graham to toomer)
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...I knew him in college and couldn't stand him. So my memories of him won't be positive. It was really hard for me to root for him. Chalk it up to the laundry winning out.
Everything I've heard about him as a person is that he's a world class prick.
As for his football acumen, he was a front-runner with a great arm. If things were going good, he could be deadly; but when things were going poorly, he became part of the problem (I'm talking about on the field, not in the locker room). He had poor pocket awareness and couldn't be trusted to audible at the line of scrimmage.
2) He returned the franchise to contention.
3) He didn't choke in the Super Bowl. Fassel and Payton did. They had a terrible gameplan of doing nothing but looking deep and didn't waver until it was much too late.
Sorry dude he came out ascared of that Baltimore D....
Didn't have the brain for the NFL game.
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...I knew him in college and couldn't stand him. So my memories of him won't be positive. It was really hard for me to root for him. Chalk it up to the laundry winning out.
Everything I've heard about him as a person is that he's a world class prick.
That would be a nice way to put it.
I'm glad I never met him.
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...I knew him in college and couldn't stand him. So my memories of him won't be positive. It was really hard for me to root for him. Chalk it up to the laundry winning out.
Everything I've heard about him as a person is that he's a world class prick.
That would be a nice way to put it.
Which is funny they brought recruits there, we never showed them preferential treatment, more often the opposite.
So, okay, he didn't see the wide open Tiki, but at least he saw the blitz, right? Well a lot of good it did him because not only did they get to him, but he fumbled and it was picked up and run 90 yards for a TD. Fortunately, the refs blew the call and said it wasn't a fumble, but really it was.
And that play summed up in my mind all that was wrong with Kerry Collins.
But I never felt he was the answer. His pocket immobility makes Eli look like Vick and he had a real gift for fumbling the snap at the worst moment possible without even the faintest hope of recovering it.
Had a big-time arm though. I've been a fan since before Simms and no Giants QB could throw a 25-yard laser like Collins.
Bottom line, I was happy when we moved on.
Of course that would have brought a whole new offensive system in, so maybe I'm just remembering wrong.
Anyway - I do not blame him for the SB loss, and definitely do not consider that a choke job. To me considering that game a choke job on his part means that he SHOULD have won that game. I just never felt that way after watching the Ravens the whole playoffs. I was thrilled with how we handled Minny, but who really expected that kind of performance? Not me.
The Ravens were incredible that year, better than we were defensively, and deserved to win. End of story.
Collins was pretty bad that year, but he hung tough for a long time behind an offensive line that made the 2013 unit look good by comparison. The comeback against Dallas on Monday night was pretty remarkable, considering the circumstances. Can't blame Collins for the bizarre way they blew the lead. With a few breaks in games like that one - and especially the playoff meltdown in San Francisco - he might be remembered more positively.
Loved his performance in torching the arrogant Vikings on that field of painted mud, and to this day hate how Fassel had such an incompetent game plan against the Ravens. There was a way to at least have a shot in that game - make it all about field position. Win the toss, kick off and let the defense bury Dilfer. Get the ball on the short field, chip the edge rushers, work the screen game and if they stop you pin em deep on the punt and do it again. Turn it into a grind out slugfest and maybe, just maybe, win 12-9. Field position had to be priority numbers 1 through 3, followed by putting Dilfer through the ground. Instead we just got run the fuck over. And the penalty on Hammer was BULLSHIT!
If you had a good OL protecting him, he was lethal.
This.
Always made big mistakes at crucial moments. A lot of his "numbers" were put up in garbage time, especially with the Raiders.
Loved his performance in torching the arrogant Vikings on that field of painted mud, and to this day hate how Fassel had such an incompetent game plan against the Ravens. There was a way to at least have a shot in that game - make it all about field position. Win the toss, kick off and let the defense bury Dilfer. Get the ball on the short field, chip the edge rushers, work the screen game and if they stop you pin em deep on the punt and do it again. Turn it into a grind out slugfest and maybe, just maybe, win 12-9. Field position had to be priority numbers 1 through 3, followed by putting Dilfer through the ground. Instead we just got run the fuck over. And the penalty on Hammer was BULLSHIT!
One potential problem with that plan was that the kicking units both sucked ass in 2000. I don't think relying on Brad Maynard would have got the team very far.
Thank God for Eli and his pair of BIG BLUE BALLS!
How do we know whether or not to believe your stories?
Did he whip your ass at some time?
who was it that always called him "Lurch"?
How do we know whether or not to believe your stories?
Did he whip your ass at some time?
in comparison i only have one good memory each of brown and graham (brown trucking prime time and graham to toomer)
I guess the world finally found out about the great Saint Joe. How did Paterno keep such a phony fine reputation for so long, what a hypocrite.
Let me also point out that KC did this at a time when talent at the offensive skill positions was pretty thin on the ground out in The Meadowlands. Tiki Barber, Amani Toomer, Shockey in '03, the oft-injured Ike Hilliard and then a whole lot of nobodies, busts and scrubs.
Collins was an upgrade. Kind of an ingrate though. Giants resurrected his career, then when they brought in Eli and they wanted him to serve as a mentor - he responded with the "I ain't no f**king babysitter" comment. Maybe, but the Giants ain't no f**king Betty Ford center...
I still am of the belief that they were going to beat TB and go to the SB. That offense was just dialed in.
He was 31 years old, still in the prime age for a QB, and it made no sense for him to hang around (at a discount) and mentor Eli when it was clear there was no future as a starter for him in NY.
And, to be fair, there's no way that Kerry could have survived in Coughlin's complex, multiple read offense. He just didn't have the mental horsepower for it.
'' stopped being an asshole and an alcoholic with the help of a stable situation and the decency, honesty and support of the giants organisation ''
which says very good things about the mara and tisch families and (good old jim fossil?)
bad superbowl aside...
Let me also point out that KC did this at a time when talent at the offensive skill positions was pretty thin on the ground out in The Meadowlands. Tiki Barber, Amani Toomer, Shockey in '03, the oft-injured Ike Hilliard and then a whole lot of nobodies, busts and scrubs.
Yes, yes and yes.
KC also had an undefeated season at PSU and pretty good success with his NFL teams.
I always liked him and always was optimistic about our chances to win with him under center. Couldn't make the same statement about the QB's that preceded him.
I was also on Team Draft Robert Gallery And Keep Collins that year. Good thing I was wrong.
Unfortunately, he frequently struggled to read defenses and once he got hit or felt bodies at his feet, his eye level quickly dropped as did his performance and confidence levels.
Given Fassel's known lack of preparation as a head coach, I do think Collins suffered from it to an extent we'll probably not know for sure.
As far as QBing goes, sure, he wasn't going to solve Beal's conjecture, and he did have trouble when pressured, but he was immeasurably better than the guys who played the position before him. Great arm, good accuracy - he made the Giants relevant again. I have very positive memories of Collins. His performance in the NFC Championship game is my favorite Giants Stadium moment.
People overrated Dave Brown? How is that even possible? Worst GY decision ever as a GM, and he had plenty in the 90s. Picking Strahan was an aberration.
Dave Brown may be a nice person but he was in my opinion the worst Giants' QB ever.
Q&A: Quarterback Kerry Collins - ( New Window )
Q&A: Quarterback Kerry Collins - ( New Window )
Never ceases to amaze me what a perfect storm of screw-ups were made in that game. That horrific missed call on the pass interference at the end was just the icing on the cake.
And I had forgotten that f-ing Ron Winter was the ref for that game. I'd have hated him even more over the years if I had remembered that.
The second poor decision was the 2000 Super Bowl. If Fassel had played Garrett after the Ravens knocked Collins out of the game, I think we win it. For the remainder of that game Collins had happy feet and repeatedly missed open receivers because he was throwing the ball way too soon. The Giants offense was better than the Ravens defense in my opinion, but it needed a quarterback who could stand in the pocket and wait for the play to develop.
KC also had an undefeated season at PSU and pretty good success with his NFL teams.
Who the hell overrates Dave Brown LOL