Looking back What do you think of Kerry Collins?

But folded badly when pressured.

he got us to a Super Bowl too.

after a long, dark period. I think if you come away with negative feelings about his Giants career, you probably weren't watching the football and quarterbacking that took place for years before his arrival.

have been a Kerry fan. We got to the Super Bowl with. You can't win them all.

like negative outweighing the positive.

After Maddox, Brown, Kanell, & Graham, Collins was like Unitas.

If you had a good OL protecting him, he was lethal.

...I knew him in college and couldn't stand him. So my memories of him won't be positive. It was really hard for me to root for him. Chalk it up to the laundry winning out.

But that choke job in SB XXXV... no good

In comment 11627614 Hades07 said:

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...I knew him in college and couldn't stand him. So my memories of him won't be positive. It was really hard for me to root for him. Chalk it up to the laundry winning out.

Everything I've heard about him as a person is that he's a world class prick.

forever since he's been a Giant.

I was a huge fan of his at Penn State and loved the signing.

It almost got us a championship.

1) I thought he was good. He had some great games, but overall was just good.

2) He returned the franchise to contention.

3) He didn't choke in the Super Bowl. Fassel and Payton did. They had a terrible gameplan of doing nothing but looking deep and didn't waver until it was much too late.

I was unhappy when he was signed but he grew on me over time.

He matured and became a very good person.

it was nice having a real quarterback again.

in comparison i only have one good memory each of brown and graham (brown trucking prime time and graham to toomer)

In comment 11627622 RobCarpenter said:

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In comment 11627614 Hades07 said: Quote: ...I knew him in college and couldn't stand him. So my memories of him won't be positive. It was really hard for me to root for him. Chalk it up to the laundry winning out. Everything I've heard about him as a person is that he's a world class prick.

That would be a nice way to put it.

He went from being a jerk to being a guy who demonstrated a lot of character.

As for his football acumen, he was a front-runner with a great arm. If things were going good, he could be deadly; but when things were going poorly, he became part of the problem (I'm talking about on the field, not in the locker room). He had poor pocket awareness and couldn't be trusted to audible at the line of scrimmage.

In comment 11627628 Matt M. said:

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1) I thought he was good. He had some great games, but overall was just good. 2) He returned the franchise to contention. 3) He didn't choke in the Super Bowl. Fassel and Payton did. They had a terrible gameplan of doing nothing but looking deep and didn't waver until it was much too late.

Sorry dude he came out ascared of that Baltimore D....

No touch.

Didn't have the brain for the NFL game.

If forced out of the pocket he could not run to his right and complete a pass. He would be lucky to get to the right sideline without being tackled. If forced out of the pocket to his left, he generally fell down.

In comment 11627643 Hades07 said:

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In comment 11627622 RobCarpenter said: Quote: In comment 11627614 Hades07 said: Quote: ...I knew him in college and couldn't stand him. So my memories of him won't be positive. It was really hard for me to root for him. Chalk it up to the laundry winning out. Everything I've heard about him as a person is that he's a world class prick. That would be a nice way to put it.

I'm glad I never met him.

and the mental quickness of Jethro Bodine.

In comment 11627643 Hades07 said:

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In comment 11627622 RobCarpenter said: Quote: In comment 11627614 Hades07 said: Quote: ...I knew him in college and couldn't stand him. So my memories of him won't be positive. It was really hard for me to root for him. Chalk it up to the laundry winning out. Everything I've heard about him as a person is that he's a world class prick. That would be a nice way to put it.

can you elaborate on this? I always thought he was a good guy

I don't blame the SB loss on him. Had zero time to throw. He did his job right when given a little time to throw. He lit it up some games.

he has probably grown up since then. A lot of the players on that team were jerks, with a few noticeable exceptions. Most interactions I had with that team, players and coaches, left a sour taste in my mouth. One of my favorites was after throwing one of the players out a window for attempting to force himself on one of my friend's little sister, we got a visit and lecture from Joe about the importance of the football team to this school. What a load, he walked into somebody's room without an invite, in a part of the house that was roped off and sticks his penis in an 18 year old freshman's face and Joe is worried about the football team. Ask Joe why his football team was getting wasted at our house the Friday night before a game.

but could not read defenses at all. Said he didn't audible as that was not part of his game. Add to that his lack of mobility and you have a very flawed QB

He was exactly what you would expect from a drunk star QB in college. Arrogant jerk who thought he and his team were the most important thing on campus and could have anything they want. Nothing really surprising, and I shouldn't hold it against him as he likely grew up since then. However, that is what I remember of him and it sticks. We had a lot of the same friends, so we found ourselves in the same place often. Also helped that at the time the team preferred to come to our house on the weekends, both before and after games.

Which is funny they brought recruits there, we never showed them preferential treatment, more often the opposite.

I've seen. Could put it in a key hole if you gave him time (but lack of mobility meant time was an absolute necessity).

between him and Josh Freeman (arm talent, massive guys, not only w/ height but strength -- unlike say Eli who could use a few visits to the weight room, also two guys with careers at a cross-roads).

the years he was in NY.

I didn't think he handled a pass rush very well.

step up from the junk before him but significantly below Eli.

I forget what down it was and who the Giants were playing, but they had the ball on their opponent's 5 yard line and were in shot-gun formation. Tiki went in motion and lined up wide right like a WR. The defense showed an obvious blitz up the middle and nobody went over to cover Tiki. Tiki started waiving his arms to get Collins's attention before the snap, but Collins was too focused on the blitz he was seeing right in front of his face.

So, okay, he didn't see the wide open Tiki, but at least he saw the blitz, right? Well a lot of good it did him because not only did they get to him, but he fumbled and it was picked up and run 90 yards for a TD. Fortunately, the refs blew the call and said it wasn't a fumble, but really it was.

And that play summed up in my mind all that was wrong with Kerry Collins.

one of the "prettiest" deep balls I've ever seen. Total statue and not great pocket awareness. Considering the bums he replaced, he was quite a breath of fresh air and did provide an absolutely awesome 2000 NFCC, which I was lucky enough to attend.

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when we couldn't even manage mediocrity at quarterback, he was great.

But I never felt he was the answer. His pocket immobility makes Eli look like Vick and he had a real gift for fumbling the snap at the worst moment possible without even the faintest hope of recovering it.

Had a big-time arm though. I've been a fan since before Simms and no Giants QB could throw a 25-yard laser like Collins.

Bottom line, I was happy when we moved on.

Agree with most of the comments here, but the funny thing is iirc he really had troubles getting the ball in the end zone from inside the 20. Not sure if that was for his entire tenure here or just near the end. I remember being really frustrated with it and how it got better after Eli was in.

Of course that would have brought a whole new offensive system in, so maybe I'm just remembering wrong.

Anyway - I do not blame him for the SB loss, and definitely do not consider that a choke job. To me considering that game a choke job on his part means that he SHOULD have won that game. I just never felt that way after watching the Ravens the whole playoffs. I was thrilled with how we handled Minny, but who really expected that kind of performance? Not me.

The Ravens were incredible that year, better than we were defensively, and deserved to win. End of story.

... In the fourth quarter. Of the 2003 game Westbrook won with a punt return. Unfortunately, the fumble counted. That was also the day N.D.Kalu snapped Richie Seubert's leg in half. Good times.

Collins was pretty bad that year, but he hung tough for a long time behind an offensive line that made the 2013 unit look good by comparison. The comeback against Dallas on Monday night was pretty remarkable, considering the circumstances. Can't blame Collins for the bizarre way they blew the lead. With a few breaks in games like that one - and especially the playoff meltdown in San Francisco - he might be remembered more positively.

that was Tommy fuckin Maddox blaspheming the QB position against the damned Eagles.

Loved his performance in torching the arrogant Vikings on that field of painted mud, and to this day hate how Fassel had such an incompetent game plan against the Ravens. There was a way to at least have a shot in that game - make it all about field position. Win the toss, kick off and let the defense bury Dilfer. Get the ball on the short field, chip the edge rushers, work the screen game and if they stop you pin em deep on the punt and do it again. Turn it into a grind out slugfest and maybe, just maybe, win 12-9. Field position had to be priority numbers 1 through 3, followed by putting Dilfer through the ground. Instead we just got run the fuck over. And the penalty on Hammer was BULLSHIT!

In comment 11627600 SanFranGiantsFan said:

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After Maddox, Brown, Kanell, & Graham, Collins was like Unitas. If you had a good OL protecting him, he was lethal.

This.

also agree with those who said he had limited pocket awareness, and wasn't good at reading defenses. He was flawed in that regard, but had a strong arm, and threw a gorgeous deep ball.

that of the bad group of post Simms QB's, most at least had a redeeming moment. Dave Brown trucked Deion Sanders, for that alone he has my gratitude. Kent Graham knocked off the 14-0 Broncos. Even Danny Kanell had a nice OT win over Detroit. Tommy Maddox though, that piece of trash inspired the one and only "We want Cherry" chant at Giants Stadium for the 3rd string never-was Mike Cherry, he was that damned horrific. Really high on the list of most loathed players to have ever worn the uniform.

Had one of the best deep throwing arms in the league. When he had time to setup, he would drop the long ball right in stride. Very pretty. However when he was forced from the pocket he was just awful.Ugh. Not the brightest guy either.

Good enough to make you think you could win with him, but not good enough to actually ever win.

Always made big mistakes at crucial moments. A lot of his "numbers" were put up in garbage time, especially with the Raiders.

In comment 11627845 WeatherMan said:

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that was Tommy fuckin Maddox blaspheming the QB position against the damned Eagles. Loved his performance in torching the arrogant Vikings on that field of painted mud, and to this day hate how Fassel had such an incompetent game plan against the Ravens. There was a way to at least have a shot in that game - make it all about field position. Win the toss, kick off and let the defense bury Dilfer. Get the ball on the short field, chip the edge rushers, work the screen game and if they stop you pin em deep on the punt and do it again. Turn it into a grind out slugfest and maybe, just maybe, win 12-9. Field position had to be priority numbers 1 through 3, followed by putting Dilfer through the ground. Instead we just got run the fuck over. And the penalty on Hammer was BULLSHIT!

One potential problem with that plan was that the kicking units both sucked ass in 2000. I don't think relying on Brad Maynard would have got the team very far.

then I think about Eli in the NFCCG at San Francisco...

Thank God for Eli and his pair of BIG BLUE BALLS!

soaking it up like a sponge and running it like a well oiled machine....Kerry? duh...uh...huh?

man could be throw a loaf of bread into a hungry families basket of groceries.

Bit=but, be=he

super bowl loss to Baltimore. I thought Collins was a good QB, not great, who at times looked great. Unfortunately at times he looked like crap too. Could make some pretty throws to his left down the sideline with deadly accuracy. The important thing about Collins is he made the Giants a better team.

How about giving us some data re your background with Kerry Collins?
How do we know whether or not to believe your stories?
Did he whip your ass at some time?