Thought the scenes with Arya and the Hound as well as Tywin and Tommen were very good. The Hound has been excellent this season, could end up on HBOs list of legendary anti-heroes.
story. Some that seem important now will come to an end soon and some that seem unimportant or tangential will begin to assume a more important place. It's the evolution of the greater narrative. For example, Ned Stark was the single most important story in the first season, but the only purpose of that story was to set the war in motion. I bet there are a lot of folks who wondered why there were so many scenes with Tyrion in a stable, Tyrion on the Wall, Tyrion eating dinner during the first few episodes and not more time spent with Ned and his family.
"let down". The series is about each character first and foremost, and how they are intertwined through a very elaborate story. Its a giant chess match.
It's also a TV show with 20-30 main characters who are all being paid. They have to have scenes written for them to justify them being cast, and each storyline needs to be fresh in the minds of the viewers, which is vastly different than the books.
Simply put, its an extremely hard and complex story to tell on screen and they are doing as good a job as possible.
the people who've read the books feel the need to contribute to these threads and "educate" the rest of us? isn't there a separate thread where you can discuss the hidden importance of various story arcs?
really tiresome at this point. I know you didn't spoil anything but I just don't get the need to flex your GoT muscles. we get it, you read the books and we didn't. thanks.
I haven't spoiled anything. Never did, never will.
By now you have 3+ seasons of a brilliantly told story with bits and pieces of war, be-headings, murders, etc. People want a red wedding scene in every episode which isn't the point of the show. Since there have only been 2 episodes in between both major scenes a lot of people I talk to aren't satisfied with anything else, that's the point i'm trying to make.
I've taken part in every non-spoiler thread to date, no need to get up in arms because I disagree with people's opinions. So many good scenes lastnight that are getting over-shadowed by the "lack of action."
"People want a red wedding scene in every episode"
the reaction is part and parcel of being a good show. People want more. Last night when the credits hit my first thought was, "come on, that's it?". It's not because I don't like the show - it's because there's so much happening and I just want to watch another 3-4 hours immediately.
There's probably 10 interesting things happening across the show and you only get a few minutes on any of them in a given episode.
For me, the Danyras plots are getting a little stale, despite them looking very cool. It's obvious it's going somewhere big, but it's kind of repetitive and disconnected. But it's still good - it's just time that isn't being spent on some things that some people might find more immediately compelling. Also, for somebody with like 10 names, you'd think more of them would be easier to spell.
Same with Stannis and the 3 straight months he's spent in his conference room. I mean, if you're the one true king, you might have to talk to more than 2 people to get some movement towards your coronation.
These aren't really complaints - just minor observations on a show that I think is absolutely awesome.
I do find it pretty amazing that they're able to make a show with such a massive scope and have so much success with it. I don't know if there's been another TV show/movie with this kind of scale. I'd watch a new episode every week for the next 10 years if they could make them.
Its a generalization. My point is that its such a vast show, and they have to have scenes of all the paid actors, that getting it as focused as you'd normally get in a show like True Detective with only 3 or 4 main characters, is impossible.
They also have to stick to a timeline, which is hard as well since the series isn't finished being written (they know the gist, but not the intricate details GRRM uses).
I guess I just don't agree with being "underwhelmed" unless your expecting a big even each episode.
Tywin, and Oberyn scenes were awesome. As was Tyrion basically kicking out the only person in the world who genuinely cares for him (Podrick), and the Daario killing scene.
it didn't match the previous episode in terms of energy but it was basically a bridge episode that is going to set up the rest of the season.
Littlefinger is one of the best characters on the show. I think the Littlefinger/Varys rivalry is one of the coolest plots in this entire story. Both guys are always 2 steps ahead. Cool introduction to him for this season.
I'll miss young Podrick. He always had Tyrion's back. I hope we see him in the future.
You seem a bit tense to take my post so personally. I was responding to another poster, but NOTHING that I posted in my response came from reading the books. It can all be extrapolated from what we've seen so far in the series by anyone with a brain, unless of course you think that Benioff and Weiss are playing a cruel joke on the viewers by cutting away from King's Landing just for fun.
Strong Belwas has been cut from the show. Believe the showrunners confirmed that last year, after he failed to show up with Barristan.
And speaking of Barristan, I really hope they add a scene or a bit of dialogue in a future episode that hammers home how great of a knight he was and still is. Think they really missed an opportunity to show that when Joffrey was reading through the White Book that lists the accomplishments of all the Kingsguard (and mocking Jaime in the process). The old man is called "the Bold" for good reason.
that sex or rape? It seemed to start as rape with the multiple "no's" being shouted, and then turned to sex similar to the Tommy/Janet Gavin scenes from Rescue Me, but I couldn't tell how Cersei interpreted it.
that sex or rape? It seemed to start as rape with the multiple "no's" being shouted, and then turned to sex similar to the Tommy/Janet Gavin scenes from Rescue Me, but I couldn't tell how Cersei interpreted it.
It seemed pretty rapey to me, but she was kissing him back also.
but Cersei was kissing him while also saying no, so...in any case, that scene erased any momentum or good will Jamie was building with the audience.
Also think Sam is starting to bog down the story at the Wall, and I really like Sam. They wasted a solid 8 minutes last night with his whining and moving Gilly to the Moletown whorehouse, which is a really, really odd place to hide a woman when you don't want her to have sex. 8 minutes may not sound like much but it's nearly 20% of a 53 minute show.
Littlefinger was sent by Tywin last season to the Vale to marry/get Lysa Arryn in line. No mention of LF since he left, no idea if he actually went or married Lysa.
After last night's episode, I went back and watched S4e2. My guess at a minimum is Littlefinger + Dontos + Queen of Thorns. Something about the necklace that Sansa got from Dontos that Littlefinger smashed on the boat must've contained poison that someone else knew about (Queen of Thorns). If you go back and watch S4e2 and observe the interactions of the Queen of Ts and Sansa when they first sit down the Q of Ts makes mention of her hair and necklace and caresses her hair as well. Plus she was closest to the king & queen's table, especially when Joffrey puts his cup down nearest her when Joff is mocking Tyrion.
Love this show. TV only questions:
- any guesses what Bran saw in S4e2, where they're headed, and why?
- what of House Tully? Lord Edmure and the Blackfish? Just before the Red Wedding the Blackfish went out to take a piss and Edmure went off to bed his hot Frey bride.
- same for the Greyjoys. what are the Ironborn up to? who holds what's left of Winterfell?
- donde estan los caminantes blancos? why haven't they overtaken Mance Rayder?
Edmure is a hostage. We haven't seen the Ironborn for a minute but Tywin (I think, may have been Stanis) mentioned that they were still in "open rebellion".
WHERE THE FUCK IS STRONG BELWAS!
That storyline along with the Khaleesi stuff just can't compete with the Lannister and Arya/Hound threads.
Seasons are only 10 episodes x 1 hours (which they are even starting to screw minutes out of...) and the wait is long between seasons.
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It's also a TV show with 20-30 main characters who are all being paid. They have to have scenes written for them to justify them being cast, and each storyline needs to be fresh in the minds of the viewers, which is vastly different than the books.
Simply put, its an extremely hard and complex story to tell on screen and they are doing as good a job as possible.
really tiresome at this point. I know you didn't spoil anything but I just don't get the need to flex your GoT muscles. we get it, you read the books and we didn't. thanks.
By now you have 3+ seasons of a brilliantly told story with bits and pieces of war, be-headings, murders, etc. People want a red wedding scene in every episode which isn't the point of the show. Since there have only been 2 episodes in between both major scenes a lot of people I talk to aren't satisfied with anything else, that's the point i'm trying to make.
I've taken part in every non-spoiler thread to date, no need to get up in arms because I disagree with people's opinions. So many good scenes lastnight that are getting over-shadowed by the "lack of action."
Who said anything about a lack of action?
There's probably 10 interesting things happening across the show and you only get a few minutes on any of them in a given episode.
For me, the Danyras plots are getting a little stale, despite them looking very cool. It's obvious it's going somewhere big, but it's kind of repetitive and disconnected. But it's still good - it's just time that isn't being spent on some things that some people might find more immediately compelling. Also, for somebody with like 10 names, you'd think more of them would be easier to spell.
Same with Stannis and the 3 straight months he's spent in his conference room. I mean, if you're the one true king, you might have to talk to more than 2 people to get some movement towards your coronation.
These aren't really complaints - just minor observations on a show that I think is absolutely awesome.
I do find it pretty amazing that they're able to make a show with such a massive scope and have so much success with it. I don't know if there's been another TV show/movie with this kind of scale. I'd watch a new episode every week for the next 10 years if they could make them.
Still nothing I'd rather do for that one hour each week.
Who said anything about a lack of action?
Its a generalization. My point is that its such a vast show, and they have to have scenes of all the paid actors, that getting it as focused as you'd normally get in a show like True Detective with only 3 or 4 main characters, is impossible.
They also have to stick to a timeline, which is hard as well since the series isn't finished being written (they know the gist, but not the intricate details GRRM uses).
I guess I just don't agree with being "underwhelmed" unless your expecting a big even each episode.
Also:
Littlefinger is one of the best characters on the show. I think the Littlefinger/Varys rivalry is one of the coolest plots in this entire story. Both guys are always 2 steps ahead. Cool introduction to him for this season.
I'll miss young Podrick. He always had Tyrion's back. I hope we see him in the future.
Was he being sent to the Vale to marry Lysa Arryn?
Still trying to figure out how he orchestrated with Dontos. Must be working in cahoots with someone else on land...
And speaking of Barristan, I really hope they add a scene or a bit of dialogue in a future episode that hammers home how great of a knight he was and still is. Think they really missed an opportunity to show that when Joffrey was reading through the White Book that lists the accomplishments of all the Kingsguard (and mocking Jaime in the process). The old man is called "the Bold" for good reason.
Jaime didnt grieve over his own son's passing?
Jaime didnt grieve over his own son's passing?
Throughout the entire show, Jamie has never expressed any care for any of his sons. Not once. Only Cersei.
It seemed pretty rapey to me, but she was kissing him back also.
Also think Sam is starting to bog down the story at the Wall, and I really like Sam. They wasted a solid 8 minutes last night with his whining and moving Gilly to the Moletown whorehouse, which is a really, really odd place to hide a woman when you don't want her to have sex. 8 minutes may not sound like much but it's nearly 20% of a 53 minute show.
It moved.
- Cam
After last night's episode, I went back and watched S4e2. My guess at a minimum is Littlefinger + Dontos + Queen of Thorns. Something about the necklace that Sansa got from Dontos that Littlefinger smashed on the boat must've contained poison that someone else knew about (Queen of Thorns). If you go back and watch S4e2 and observe the interactions of the Queen of Ts and Sansa when they first sit down the Q of Ts makes mention of her hair and necklace and caresses her hair as well. Plus she was closest to the king & queen's table, especially when Joffrey puts his cup down nearest her when Joff is mocking Tyrion.
Love this show. TV only questions:
- any guesses what Bran saw in S4e2, where they're headed, and why?
- what of House Tully? Lord Edmure and the Blackfish? Just before the Red Wedding the Blackfish went out to take a piss and Edmure went off to bed his hot Frey bride.
- same for the Greyjoys. what are the Ironborn up to? who holds what's left of Winterfell?
- donde estan los caminantes blancos? why haven't they overtaken Mance Rayder?