From Garafolo:
Giants S Will Hill is facing another suspension for a violation of the NFL's drug policy, sources have told @FOXSports1. He will appeal.
You really dont know what pot smoking is like, do you? From what you wrote, you sound like you could have been in "Reefer Madness"
Not sure why you don't get it. Are you saying there is no chance that a player would maybe blow a bone in his car before walking into the locker room? Especially if weed was not on the list of banned substances? Are you saying that weed would not impair a player's ability at all? Do you want the guys you are rooting for to be high in the meeting room during the week? I am not saying everyone. 2 or 3 players. That is not something to be concerned about?
Let me position it this way. You have to take a piss test and sometimes a blood test for MANY jobs out there. The only reason why ALL employer's don't do it is costs. Now, when you consider how much money these guys make....
Not a drug user but I'd say that weed is much more like alcohol than any other drug. You run the same risk of players drinking before a game as you do them smoking before a game-which is very little IMO.
That being said, if someone came up to you and said 'you can't drink alcohol to qualify for this super high paying job,' would you really have a problem stopping? It is just so dumb that this guy can't do this. Without knowing the facts, of course.
The difference is that alcohol is legal.
I would never consider smoking pot and playing football
The excuse for Adderall may have cut him some slack in 2012. But, if he failed for that again, it is 100% on him. At this point, he is a 3rd time offender for the combination of two league drug policies. That exhibits a pattern of problematic and addictive behavior. It is absolutely best to cut ties now, even if we lose one of our best defenders.
Its a rules and respect for your teammates and authority issue. Everyone knows the rules, and now its the 3rd time he violated them. From my experience, if they don't get it after time one (maybe in extreme cases time #2) they are not going to change. Its time to cut it lose before he goes onto #4,5, etc.
If he's not on the field then I don't care how good he can play. It doesn't matter.
one where he speaks about the roster back in the early 80's. There were a lot of guys who he cut loose because he did not put up with that kind of shit. Of course, there is LT but from what I understand, the meeting room was like a chemistry class before Parcells got there
Diaper party and the host wanted everyone to bring diapers for his newborn and the attendees would bring the grass? He was just in the room while everyone was handing out diapers and smoking bowls. That'd be ok right?
Will Hill has a lifestyle that has afforded an NFL career. The lifestyle includes recreational drug use. It is not abuse or the NFL career would not have been realized.
Lawrence Taylor didn't abuse drugs?
Quite frankly, I wouldn't approve of Taylor's abuse if it happened today all the same.
When you start ignoring your own player's negative vices, yet you crack on other team's players, it's being a tad bit hypocritical, no?
sorry, but there is no excuse for this. NONE. Anyone trying to justify his behavior is just plain clueless. He has been provided every opportunity and support system available to help deal with his issues and continues to fail. Don't need a guy like that on the Giants.
LT was once in a generation, WH is a good player. Big difference. I don't condone treating players differently, but if you were going to pick one LT would be it.
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You really dont know what pot smoking is like, do you? From what you wrote, you sound like you could have been in "Reefer Madness"
Not sure why you don't get it. Are you saying there is no chance that a player would maybe blow a bone in his car before walking into the locker room? Especially if weed was not on the list of banned substances? Are you saying that weed would not impair a player's ability at all? Do you want the guys you are rooting for to be high in the meeting room during the week? I am not saying everyone. 2 or 3 players. That is not something to be concerned about?
Let me position it this way. You have to take a piss test and sometimes a blood test for MANY jobs out there. The only reason why ALL employer's don't do it is costs. Now, when you consider how much money these guys make....
Pot is the opposite of a PED. If they use it at inopportune times then it will affect their performance on the field. Probably won't mess up their lives but it will not help their professional football careers.
Having said that, it could be used as an actual pain management technique in the offseason, if it were legal. These ain't steroids or testosterone or growth hormones. Doesn't make Hill less stupid however.
This individual should have been cut long ago. Think about how many chances he has had. Remember, those chances go all the way back to his college days. He was a burden and a risk. He could not give a shit about his team or the fans. Now hopefully, he will get a huge suspension and no one signs him. Ever. I am embarrassed for this great organization that they let him hang on this long.
This individual should have been cut long ago. Think about how many chances he has had. Remember, those chances go all the way back to his college days. He was a burden and a risk. He could not give a shit about his team or the fans. Now hopefully, he will get a huge suspension and no one signs him. Ever. I am embarrassed for this great organization that they let him hang on this long.
Holy spin control Batman! This isn't good news in any way, shape, or form. Hill was one of, if not the best, performer on the D last year. So they lose an impact player, creating yet another hole that will need to be filled. But that's a good thing. Right on.
There's not a single positive thing about this, including your played out platitudes about "this great organization". The Giants moral superiority only exists in the minds of some of their fans.
As for Will Hill...You stupid, stupid, stupid, STUPID sonofabitch...You were *right there*...keep your nose clean and not only are you a fan favorite in the biggest sports market in the GD world, but you're probably going to the Pro Bowl or at least have a true breakout season in a contract year. Just find another way to chill and you cash in as a FA, either here or somewhere else. But that's out the window now. He's not even gonna be able to afford the sour anymore. #regs
He's a stupid selfish cocksucker whose addiction just hurt our defense.....unless he somehow wins an appeal on some bogus technicality. Put the fucking pipe down for a few years there will be plenty of opportunities to blaze up when your career is over. What an idiot.
Will Hill has a lifestyle that has afforded an NFL career. The lifestyle includes recreational drug use. It is not abuse or the NFL career would not have been realized.
Lawrence Taylor didn't abuse drugs?
Quite frankly, I wouldn't approve of Taylor's abuse if it happened today all the same.
When you start ignoring your own player's negative vices, yet you crack on other team's players, it's being a tad bit hypocritical, no?
You say that you wouldn't approve of LT's abuse, but you don't say if you would have kicked him off the team, which takes this to a whole different level.
Consider that probably a majority of Hill's teammates probably smoke dope, that it's probably less dangerous than alcohol, and that it's on its way to becoming legal in this country. Legal for health care in some states and more than just health care in other states.
If you want to say that he should have stopped smoking it when it was endangering his family and his career, I can't argue with that. But if you haven't found out yet how hard it is to kick bad habits yet, someday you probably will.
You got smokers hacking their brains out and they try to stop and they can't and they try again and they still can't. Just read a bio of Karen Carpenter. This girl had everything in the world going her away and she starved herself to death. She had the best treatment, understood (finally) what she was doing to herself and swore to her family she would stop taking laxatives and diuretics. But she couldn't keep those promises and she killed herself.
The guy has an incredible amount of talent. He's also been busted too many times and he was also behind on child support payments. Enough crap. Cut the guy and move on.. SAD....
issue, perhaps coupled with a bit of depression and post traumatic stress. hey, just throw some benzodiazepines like Valium, Ativan and Xanax at him and he'll be far better off than if he were to just keep smoking weed.. /sarcasm..
Same. I had been under the assumption that a suspension was forthcoming anyway. I thought i had read that around the end of the season maybe a little before, thought it had to do with his arrest, I remember reading about the pot smell in the car and speculation that he was going to be tested thereafter and expected to fail.Not a big suprise to me and was under the assumption that it was kind of common knowledge, based on widespread speculation after his last arrest. I guess the actual facts aren't coming out till now, or it may be a whole separate instance, I dunno, but I thought he was gonna get suspended not based on a lack of faith in the guy but just that I thought this was already out there.
As for Hill himself, I don't know what to say.Such a shame, and I take no joy in the guy fucking his own life up or the fact we now have yet another hole to fill.
At the end of the day you have to be able to live up to your terms of employ, perform, and represent. He can't represent while suspended, and he certainly isn't doing the other 2.My guess is the Giants will wait till after the draft to cut ties, unless they want to make an example, i hear they are pissed, and while they are usually thoughtful in their moves a knee jerk reaction at this poitn wouldn't suprise me. You know, you fuck up once you talk to the guy. You fuck up twice then you brings your freinds and the rest of the village and talk to the guy. You do it again and you turn your back and wipe the dust from your feet and walk away. I fear that's where the Giants are with Hill right now, I'm not even sure they can keep him if they want to, whilst rebuilding the team with so many new faces and trying to establish their culture and order on all these guys. What kind of example does it set to keep him? Is that even a good thing?
Still you hate to turn your back on a guy who you know may c9me back to bite you in the ass. He will be suspended, it will end, he will play again for someone and probably at a very high level.It's really just a kick in the balls for all concerned.Ugghh.
Will Hill has a lifestyle that has afforded an NFL career. The lifestyle includes recreational drug use. It is not abuse or the NFL career would not have been realized.
Lawrence Taylor didn't abuse drugs?
Lawrence Taylor is a convicted Rapist. He's about one step ahead of hobo.Way to pick an example to make a half-baked point to begin with.
But it doesn't matter if he misses 8 games. The defense and the coordinator is the same as last year. He knows his role. It would be stupid not to keep him around and add him to the mix for the final stretch of the schedule and hopefully a playoff run. Besides, he'd also be insurance against injuries at the position.
At this point you get whatever games you can out of him until his contract expires in 2015 and you let him walk.
Everyone said he was "done if it happens again" the last time. This is the 3rd time now. I'd love for the Giants to give him another shot but to me, it sets a shitty example and more importantly, I'm fairly certain they won't anyway. When you keep betraying the trust of the team that is giving you the opportunity of your life, they're not going to turn the other cheek forever. I (unfortunately) think we've probably seen the last of Hill as a Giant.
I agree, but what a bitter pill if he gets off suspension goes elsewhere stays clean and does what he does on the field. Just aggravating. And stupid. Bottom line, like you said, how can you trust him and can the team afford the message it sends by keeping him with all the new players?
...that the NYG put something in writing the last time this happened that it would be the last time. Not sure their patience with Mr Hill will last any further. Shame if true...he is a good player.
On Mad Dog today, they even speculated that he would most likely be released.
he is a very good player who is playing at close to a Pro Bowl level at this stage of his career. To cut him would be a huge loss, and it's why i think the Giants need to keep him.
Until I hear tne official announcement that Hill is gone, I'm not going to make assumptions about what the Giants are thinking or feeling about Hill.
How do we know both of his priors were weed? We assume Sherman was on roids/enhancers and pulled the adderal line to cover it up. How do we know it is not harder drugs like coke or something?
I don't smoke weed but I don't have a problem with it. But if the rules of your job say not to do it, don't do it. I get drug tested at my job and I make a fraction of will hills salary. No one is forcing will hill to play in the NFL.
I believe the guy is also accused of being a dead beat dad. Cut him if he fails the appeal.
No, the major issue isn't that it's pot. It's that he can't exert some discipline and self control and has now been busted three times. It's the inability to fall in line when you know full well you're on a short leash and your career may be on the line. That's far more concerning than smoking pot.
don't remember him out of position or missing tackles, seemed pretty disciplined to me
If that was all that mattered would he have gone undrafted? Youre not this dumb. Intent on arguing, but not dumb. For the record I don't want him cut, but it's really stupid and yes, undisciplined.
No, the major issue isn't that it's pot. It's that he can't exert some discipline and self control and has now been busted three times. It's the inability to fall in line when you know full well you're on a short leash and your career may be on the line. That's far more concerning than smoking pot.
just because i listed it first doesn't mean it's necessarily the most serious issue. but it's quite annoying you have to admit. it's not crack, it's not meth, it's marijuana. cmon....
Obviously not counting on that miracle.
Not sure why you don't get it. Are you saying there is no chance that a player would maybe blow a bone in his car before walking into the locker room? Especially if weed was not on the list of banned substances? Are you saying that weed would not impair a player's ability at all? Do you want the guys you are rooting for to be high in the meeting room during the week? I am not saying everyone. 2 or 3 players. That is not something to be concerned about?
Let me position it this way. You have to take a piss test and sometimes a blood test for MANY jobs out there. The only reason why ALL employer's don't do it is costs. Now, when you consider how much money these guys make....
That being said, if someone came up to you and said 'you can't drink alcohol to qualify for this super high paying job,' would you really have a problem stopping? It is just so dumb that this guy can't do this. Without knowing the facts, of course.
The difference is that alcohol is legal.
If he's not on the field then I don't care how good he can play. It doesn't matter.
I just don't think Will Hill learns anything from these suspensions.
Yes, you want to send a message to the team but c'mon smoking weed isn't the end of the world.
Would the Cardinals cut Patrick Peterson? Would the Seahawks cut Richard Sherman? Half of the Seahawks have been suspended and they don't cut them.
It's infuriating and frustrating but I'd try to ride this one out.
Unless he's addicted to heroin in which case cut him.
Along the same lines, can he claim he's a Rastafari?
He needs to get creative right about now.
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Will Hill has a lifestyle that has afforded an NFL career. The lifestyle includes recreational drug use. It is not abuse or the NFL career would not have been realized.
Lawrence Taylor didn't abuse drugs?
Quite frankly, I wouldn't approve of Taylor's abuse if it happened today all the same.
When you start ignoring your own player's negative vices, yet you crack on other team's players, it's being a tad bit hypocritical, no?
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You really dont know what pot smoking is like, do you? From what you wrote, you sound like you could have been in "Reefer Madness"
Not sure why you don't get it. Are you saying there is no chance that a player would maybe blow a bone in his car before walking into the locker room? Especially if weed was not on the list of banned substances? Are you saying that weed would not impair a player's ability at all? Do you want the guys you are rooting for to be high in the meeting room during the week? I am not saying everyone. 2 or 3 players. That is not something to be concerned about?
Let me position it this way. You have to take a piss test and sometimes a blood test for MANY jobs out there. The only reason why ALL employer's don't do it is costs. Now, when you consider how much money these guys make....
Having said that, it could be used as an actual pain management technique in the offseason, if it were legal. These ain't steroids or testosterone or growth hormones. Doesn't make Hill less stupid however.
Holy spin control Batman! This isn't good news in any way, shape, or form. Hill was one of, if not the best, performer on the D last year. So they lose an impact player, creating yet another hole that will need to be filled. But that's a good thing. Right on.
There's not a single positive thing about this, including your played out platitudes about "this great organization". The Giants moral superiority only exists in the minds of some of their fans.
As for Will Hill...You stupid, stupid, stupid, STUPID sonofabitch...You were *right there*...keep your nose clean and not only are you a fan favorite in the biggest sports market in the GD world, but you're probably going to the Pro Bowl or at least have a true breakout season in a contract year. Just find another way to chill and you cash in as a FA, either here or somewhere else. But that's out the window now. He's not even gonna be able to afford the sour anymore. #regs
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Will Hill has a lifestyle that has afforded an NFL career. The lifestyle includes recreational drug use. It is not abuse or the NFL career would not have been realized.
Lawrence Taylor didn't abuse drugs?
Quite frankly, I wouldn't approve of Taylor's abuse if it happened today all the same.
When you start ignoring your own player's negative vices, yet you crack on other team's players, it's being a tad bit hypocritical, no?
You say that you wouldn't approve of LT's abuse, but you don't say if you would have kicked him off the team, which takes this to a whole different level.
Consider that probably a majority of Hill's teammates probably smoke dope, that it's probably less dangerous than alcohol, and that it's on its way to becoming legal in this country. Legal for health care in some states and more than just health care in other states.
If you want to say that he should have stopped smoking it when it was endangering his family and his career, I can't argue with that. But if you haven't found out yet how hard it is to kick bad habits yet, someday you probably will.
You got smokers hacking their brains out and they try to stop and they can't and they try again and they still can't. Just read a bio of Karen Carpenter. This girl had everything in the world going her away and she starved herself to death. She had the best treatment, understood (finally) what she was doing to herself and swore to her family she would stop taking laxatives and diuretics. But she couldn't keep those promises and she killed herself.
...slip sliding awayay...
...ya know the nearer to your destination the nearer you're slip sliding away.
But only a little.
As for Hill himself, I don't know what to say.Such a shame, and I take no joy in the guy fucking his own life up or the fact we now have yet another hole to fill.
At the end of the day you have to be able to live up to your terms of employ, perform, and represent. He can't represent while suspended, and he certainly isn't doing the other 2.My guess is the Giants will wait till after the draft to cut ties, unless they want to make an example, i hear they are pissed, and while they are usually thoughtful in their moves a knee jerk reaction at this poitn wouldn't suprise me. You know, you fuck up once you talk to the guy. You fuck up twice then you brings your freinds and the rest of the village and talk to the guy. You do it again and you turn your back and wipe the dust from your feet and walk away. I fear that's where the Giants are with Hill right now, I'm not even sure they can keep him if they want to, whilst rebuilding the team with so many new faces and trying to establish their culture and order on all these guys. What kind of example does it set to keep him? Is that even a good thing?
Still you hate to turn your back on a guy who you know may c9me back to bite you in the ass. He will be suspended, it will end, he will play again for someone and probably at a very high level.It's really just a kick in the balls for all concerned.Ugghh.
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Will Hill has a lifestyle that has afforded an NFL career. The lifestyle includes recreational drug use. It is not abuse or the NFL career would not have been realized.
Lawrence Taylor didn't abuse drugs?
Lawrence Taylor is a convicted Rapist. He's about one step ahead of hobo.Way to pick an example to make a half-baked point to begin with.
But it doesn't matter if he misses 8 games. The defense and the coordinator is the same as last year. He knows his role. It would be stupid not to keep him around and add him to the mix for the final stretch of the schedule and hopefully a playoff run. Besides, he'd also be insurance against injuries at the position.
At this point you get whatever games you can out of him until his contract expires in 2015 and you let him walk.
I agree, but what a bitter pill if he gets off suspension goes elsewhere stays clean and does what he does on the field. Just aggravating. And stupid. Bottom line, like you said, how can you trust him and can the team afford the message it sends by keeping him with all the new players?
On Mad Dog today, they even speculated that he would most likely be released.
cause we going all the way
Until I hear tne official announcement that Hill is gone, I'm not going to make assumptions about what the Giants are thinking or feeling about Hill.
2). Great player with all the potential in the world throwing it away... He knew what he was signing up for.
3). The NFL not having a damn spine when it comes to this issue.
4). The anti-pot crowd here. You just sound fucking ridiculous.
I don't smoke weed but I don't have a problem with it. But if the rules of your job say not to do it, don't do it. I get drug tested at my job and I make a fraction of will hills salary. No one is forcing will hill to play in the NFL.
I believe the guy is also accused of being a dead beat dad. Cut him if he fails the appeal.
If that was all that mattered would he have gone undrafted? Youre not this dumb. Intent on arguing, but not dumb. For the record I don't want him cut, but it's really stupid and yes, undisciplined.
just because i listed it first doesn't mean it's necessarily the most serious issue. but it's quite annoying you have to admit. it's not crack, it's not meth, it's marijuana. cmon....