in a different system, but I'm not so sure the system was the problem with Wilson. His brain and willingness to block seemed to be a bigger problem. That being said, he's an explosive player, there has to be ways to get him the ball in space.
a free pass for his abysmal season yet not do the same for the few games Wilson played last year where the opposing defenses lived in our backfield
Did you watch Wilson? People that get on Wilson don't do so because of his lack of production. He often missed his assignment, which led to negative plays and sometimes seemed unwilling(or unable) to block. Wilson might be a great talent, but unless he is able to do the small things, he won't play much.
He'll be back. Can't wait to see him in a new offense. He has to get better as a pass blocker and he has things he needs to work on but he can definitely be a weapon for us.
one guy has led his team to two rings while another one has been inconsistent, has been slow to learn how to block but has flashed incredible talent.
First off, I disagree that anyone has jumped on Wilson for last year - it is mainly hoping he is healthy, but if he was jumped on and not Manning, I can see perfectly why that would be the case.
Kind of hard to learn to be patient and find the right hole when there's never a hole available. Hopefully, running behind a better line and learning a new system will help him out this year. Really hope he can stay healthy.
a free pass for his abysmal season yet not do the same for the few games Wilson played last year where the opposing defenses lived in our backfield
Did you watch Wilson? People that get on Wilson don't do so because of his lack of production. He often missed his assignment, which led to negative plays and sometimes seemed unwilling(or unable) to block. Wilson might be a great talent, but unless he is able to do the small things, he won't play much.
i don't follow. you and JOMO are both making the same argument - wilson sucked at picking up blocks last year, leading to a lot of negative plays for the offense. am i missing something?
If we cancel all double #s next year maybe we'll have a better season?
Nitpicking who should've done this and who should've done that doesn't prove anything. I'm not excusing Wilson from his mental errors at all. But he sure didn't get any help from his offensive line. They didn't show up for anyone last season. And it looked to me as though Wilson just got worse as the weeks went on. He looked frustrated.
And then the one time he finally does score on a beautiful run and get the monkey off his back, it gets called back for holding.
And I don't know if you just forgot or weren't around much last season, but Wilson had already become a bust early on while Eli had an endless number of excuses for his crappy play. The hate for Wilson was ridiculous.
to try and backtrack that close to the end zone instead of taking the loss.
Frankly, I'd want him to make moves like that because it will serve him fine in other areas of the field, but close to the goal line, going in reverse cost the team 2 points. If he simply got tackled it wouldn't have been a safety - thus why it is a mental error.
it is a combination. The horrendous blocking led to a bad decision by Wilson. That's why bad blocking sucks. It causes players to rush decisions, and some guys like wilson get burned more often when pressed to do that.
I don't think anyone is excusing the blocking - but it sure seems like a lot of people excuse wilson here. He has been slow to pick up the mental aspects of the game. Greg in LI would say that's because he's a Hokie. With hosely showing similar signs, I partially aagree:)
The RB needs to learn when to fold 'em, and not hand over 2 pts. Mental errors have been DW's biggest issues, be it blowing pass pro, picking the wrong hole, and just being too damned hard on himself when he makes mistakes. Kid is super competitive.
I don't think anyone is excusing the blocking - but it sure seems like a lot of people excuse wilson here.
It's in response to people killing the kid for not being an instant hit. Early on he was getting kinda brutalized. ANd what he did right tended to be kind of cast out the window.
this was an issue with Wilson at Tek, and it remains an issue
When there isn't much there, he tries his Barry Sanders routine, only he isn't Barry Sanders so he's much less successful at it.
I just don't think the guy is a traditional, everydown RB. I hope they put him in a better position to succeed by finding ways to get him the ball in space where he can use his speed and moves, rather than expecting him to suddenly figure out how to find a hole in a crowd at the LOS.
If he didn't cut back, Nate Allen was stopping him for a loss anyway. There was nowhere to go.
If he didn't cut back, Nate Allen was waiting around the LOS for a chance to tackle a much faster back. He shouldn't have cut that back.
When half the others teams defensive players are already in the backfield by the time you even get the football, you don't really have time to examine the situation as closely as we are and make these sorts of decisions. It's too easy to watch that clip back 20 times and say "well, he could have just done this instead"
He made it worse by not knowing when to just wave the white flag and take a short loss but Wilson is the kind of RB who is always trying to make something happen.. so you're going to get these (which you try to eliminate) but you also get some big time runs on plays that look broken where he makes something out of nothing.
is his inability to block decently. He has to learn this - no doubt.
Other than that, he really had no chance last year. Getting tackled in the backfield time after time sucked and I blame that on the worst Oline in the NFL.
He's an explosive player. I hope this year he gets a chance to shine and prove his worth as a 1st round pick.
...see I think that was Wilson's fault. Great RBs lose 3 yards and end up skull fucked in the end zone. Great RBs make shaky OLs look good. Wilson is a mess until proven otherwise.
The one position that can cover up warts like no other is RB. It can also expose warts like no other.
Wilson can do all these things that Charles and Bush can do but his speed and talent are in need of some vision, patience and balance. Until he gains those gifts he's just another fast RB looking for a role in the NFL.
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He has shown great flashes
Bears preseason game and saints game 2 years ago
Did you watch Wilson? People that get on Wilson don't do so because of his lack of production. He often missed his assignment, which led to negative plays and sometimes seemed unwilling(or unable) to block. Wilson might be a great talent, but unless he is able to do the small things, he won't play much.
First off, I disagree that anyone has jumped on Wilson for last year - it is mainly hoping he is healthy, but if he was jumped on and not Manning, I can see perfectly why that would be the case.
Kind of hard to learn to be patient and find the right hole when there's never a hole available. Hopefully, running behind a better line and learning a new system will help him out this year. Really hope he can stay healthy.
Another mental error by him.
He was very good for a while, but man did he suck his last couple years
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a free pass for his abysmal season yet not do the same for the few games Wilson played last year where the opposing defenses lived in our backfield
Did you watch Wilson? People that get on Wilson don't do so because of his lack of production. He often missed his assignment, which led to negative plays and sometimes seemed unwilling(or unable) to block. Wilson might be a great talent, but unless he is able to do the small things, he won't play much.
i don't follow. you and JOMO are both making the same argument - wilson sucked at picking up blocks last year, leading to a lot of negative plays for the offense. am i missing something?
And then the one time he finally does score on a beautiful run and get the monkey off his back, it gets called back for holding.
And I don't know if you just forgot or weren't around much last season, but Wilson had already become a bust early on while Eli had an endless number of excuses for his crappy play. The hate for Wilson was ridiculous.
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Another mental error by him.
If you can watch that clip and call that a mental error on the RB you are nuts. That play was Diehl'd from the start.
Frankly, I'd want him to make moves like that because it will serve him fine in other areas of the field, but close to the goal line, going in reverse cost the team 2 points. If he simply got tackled it wouldn't have been a safety - thus why it is a mental error.
Here's hoping that his first two years have taught him to focus on correcting that.
If he didn't cut back, Nate Allen was waiting around the LOS for a chance to tackle a much faster back. He shouldn't have cut that back.
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If he didn't cut back, Nate Allen was stopping him for a loss anyway. There was nowhere to go.
If he didn't cut back, Nate Allen was waiting around the LOS for a chance to tackle a much faster back. He shouldn't have cut that back.
Your focus is solely on Wilson's "mental error" while showing total disregard for the absolutely atrocious blocking taking place there...?
I think the "mental error" is not the most damning thing taking place.
I don't think anyone is excusing the blocking - but it sure seems like a lot of people excuse wilson here. He has been slow to pick up the mental aspects of the game. Greg in LI would say that's because he's a Hokie. With hosely showing similar signs, I partially aagree:)
I'm just waiting for kmed to acknowledge that as well. =)
I don't think anyone is excusing the blocking - but it sure seems like a lot of people excuse wilson here.
It's in response to people killing the kid for not being an instant hit. Early on he was getting kinda brutalized. ANd what he did right tended to be kind of cast out the window.
I just don't think the guy is a traditional, everydown RB. I hope they put him in a better position to succeed by finding ways to get him the ball in space where he can use his speed and moves, rather than expecting him to suddenly figure out how to find a hole in a crowd at the LOS.
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If he didn't cut back, Nate Allen was stopping him for a loss anyway. There was nowhere to go.
If he didn't cut back, Nate Allen was waiting around the LOS for a chance to tackle a much faster back. He shouldn't have cut that back.
When half the others teams defensive players are already in the backfield by the time you even get the football, you don't really have time to examine the situation as closely as we are and make these sorts of decisions. It's too easy to watch that clip back 20 times and say "well, he could have just done this instead"
He made it worse by not knowing when to just wave the white flag and take a short loss but Wilson is the kind of RB who is always trying to make something happen.. so you're going to get these (which you try to eliminate) but you also get some big time runs on plays that look broken where he makes something out of nothing.
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Other than that, he really had no chance last year. Getting tackled in the backfield time after time sucked and I blame that on the worst Oline in the NFL.
He's an explosive player. I hope this year he gets a chance to shine and prove his worth as a 1st round pick.
or did Greg just imply not only that he hopes a Hokie will succeed, but that said Hokie trash actually has talent?
The one position that can cover up warts like no other is RB. It can also expose warts like no other.
RBs don't get enough credit for being good when everything around them is bad.
Yeah, Wilson has never made any plays like that. Were you sleeping in 2012?
So 20 games into his career, David Wilson isn't Jamaal Charles.. who is probably a top 3 NFL RB right now. Big freakin deal.
David Wilson's rookie year:
71 attempts, 358 yards, 4 TD, 5.0 YPC
Jamaal Charles' rookie year:
67 attempts, 357 yards, 0 TD, 5.3 YPC
DW is more explosive and fast, close to 210 lbs and physical, breaks tackles, just needs more reps and patience.
David Wilson's rookie year:
71 attempts, 358 yards, 4 TD, 5.0 YPC
Jamaal Charles' rookie year:
67 attempts, 357 yards, 0 TD, 5.3 YPC
How dare you make a logical argument using stats!
I can only imagine the BBI board vitriol for Tiki early in his career.
Wilson can do all these things that Charles and Bush can do but his speed and talent are in need of some vision, patience and balance. Until he gains those gifts he's just another fast RB looking for a role in the NFL.