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NFT: Mets - Cards ~ Tuesday ~ April 22

sphinx : 4/22/2014 3:55 pm
Mets
Eric Young Jr., lf
Curtis Granderson, rf
David Wright, 3b
Daniel Murphy, 2b
Chris Young, cf
Lucas Duda, 1b
Travis d'Arnaud, c
Omar Quintanilla, ss
Dillon Gee, rhp

Cardinals
Adam Wainwright, rhp

go Mets  
spike : 4/22/2014 4:02 pm : link
and their bats
Tejada  
KWhite2250 : 4/22/2014 4:08 pm : link
Had a nice little game yesterday, so lets just keep his confidence down by sitting him tonight. Not that there is a great difference between him and Q but kinda weird ti not reward Tejada for his play yesterday
What is the point of keeping Kirk with the ball club  
Mike in NY : 4/22/2014 4:11 pm : link
If he is not going to get AB's? Eric Young Jr. could have been the fallback in CF with Andrew Brown playing LF if something happened to Chris Young during a game. Not like Granderson is doing anything worth a starting spot lately so why not give him a day off?
kirk  
sshin05 : 4/22/2014 4:13 pm : link
is the back-up CF, Brown wasnt doing anything outside of opening day 3 run homer. Granderson should be out there everyday to get out of his funk, he's not this bad.
Granderson  
NJGiantFan84 : 4/22/2014 4:22 pm : link
looks lost. He is taking his eyes off the ball and I saw him miss a fastball right down the middle by about 2 feet. he wasn't even close to it. Guy strikes out on 3 pitches more than anybody i have ever seen. The strikeouts at the top of the line-up are killing us. He's already getting booed and there are still 8 days left in April.
Cardinals  
BigBlueBuff : 4/22/2014 4:24 pm : link
Carpenter, 3B
Craig, RF
Holiday, LF
Adams, 1B
Molina, C
Jay, CF
Peralta, SS
Wong, 2B
Wainright, P
How are the Cards 1/2 game better than the Mets  
Headhunter : 4/22/2014 4:25 pm : link
with that monster staff and pen? Their lineup doesn't hit HR's, but they hit
Cardinals  
DanMetroMan : 4/22/2014 4:30 pm : link
offense has been shockingly poor so far considering how good they look on paper. Consider the Mets-

Mets wOBA .279-29th, wRC+ 76-29th


Cardinals wOBA .298-23rd, wRC+ 88-23rd

Mets are 4th in baserunning, Cardinals 28th

I assume the Cardinals are just off to a cold start but sometimes good teams disappoint.
Dan  
NyquistX3 : 4/22/2014 4:33 pm : link
What are your thoughts on Granderson? Is he in a massive decline or can he return to .800 OPS type player?
Honestly  
DanMetroMan : 4/22/2014 4:37 pm : link
I've purposely avoided the Granderson issue. I didn't want him and I do think he's in decline (he's 33) but I suspect he bounces back and is a .750-.780 or so player for the next 2 years. Sadly, I do think it's going to get ugly on the tail end. Saw this on another site-



2012: 269 AB, 212/.278/.480 (.758 OPS)
2013: 214 AB, .229/.317/.407 (.724 OPS)
2014: 66 AB, .121/.263/.313 (.451 OPS)

So his decline isn't exactly out of the blue. Bay was pretty shocking. Granderson isn't this bad but odds are the Mets will end up regretting the deal. I understand the rationale however.
Thanks.  
NyquistX3 : 4/22/2014 4:39 pm : link
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I  
DanMetroMan : 4/22/2014 4:47 pm : link
will say I think he needs to move to LF and I would strongly suggest only playing him vs. righties (for now) to get him some confidence/clear his mind a bit. Then work him back in vs. lefties. Totally understand we don't have a great bench but a few hits vs. righties and maybe he gets going.
Holliday, Peralta, Bourjos, Craig, and  
BigBlueBuff : 4/22/2014 5:17 pm : link
Wong are all struggling at the plate right now. They won't be cold all season, but it's been a slow start for all but Yadi and Matt Adams. The rotation is fine and hiking up their end.
Wainwright in particular  
BigBlueBuff : 4/22/2014 5:20 pm : link
has had a really good start. Of course now that I said that he'll get shelled.
Granderson is a POS - - - -  
Phil in Joisey : 4/22/2014 5:42 pm : link
He's making Jason Bay look good. When he gets the ball past the pitcher it should be considered a successful at-bat. There are cold starts and there is Grandersonville. Unreal!
Of course now that I've said it, he'll catch fire(hopefully.)
Interested in the Matt Harvey  
sphinx : 4/22/2014 6:03 pm : link
twitter photo and why he cancelled his account?

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RE: Granderson is a POS - - - -  
arcarsenal : 4/22/2014 6:07 pm : link
In comment 11632990 Phil in Joisey said:
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He's making Jason Bay look good. When he gets the ball past the pitcher it should be considered a successful at-bat. There are cold starts and there is Grandersonville. Unreal!
Of course now that I've said it, he'll catch fire(hopefully.)


There is a player right now who has 1 HR, is hitting .206, has 15 strikeouts to 13 hits.. he has scored 3 runs all year.

His name is Miguel Cabrera.

No, Curtis Granderson can't wipe Miggys ass. My point is that a lot of guys are off to bad starts. Stanton has more K's than Grandy, Harper is still stuck on 1 HR along with Cano and a bunch of other really good players.

Granderson isn't great but he's not this bad. His numbers will trend back upwards soon.
I was thinking the same thing about Collins not starting Tejada  
steve in ky : 4/22/2014 6:12 pm : link
He had what was maybe his best game of the past two seasons so what is the benefit of sitting him tonight?
Rubin  
sphinx : 4/22/2014 6:14 pm : link
NEW YORK -- Terry Collins did not say a specific date. But the manager suggested he might give this lineup a month -- with Curtis Granderson No. 2, Daniel Murphy No. 4 and Lucas Duda No. 6 -- before eventually placing Duda in the cleanup spot.

"We've put a lot on Lucas' plate in the past week," Collins said about the reluctance to use Duda as a cleanup hitter now. "I don't want to pile on."


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Rubin  
sphinx : 4/22/2014 6:16 pm : link
Q PT: Why is Ruben Tejada on the bench a night after making two stellar diving plays up the middle? Collins said he scripted out before the series that Omar Quintanilla's lone start against St. Louis would come Tuesday. Quintanilla is 4-for-12 with two doubles lifetime against Adam Wainwright. Collins added that Wednesday starter Michael Wacha "eats up" lefty hitters, so the only alternative would have been Thursday. Collins said Tejada will start the final two games of the series.

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TC's  
sphinx : 4/22/2014 6:24 pm : link
repeated comments about not putting too much pressure on Duda
is bullshit.

Well that reasoning would make better sense  
steve in ky : 4/22/2014 6:25 pm : link
If Collins in answering why he didn't pinch hit for Tejada in an obvious pinch hitting situation just a couple games ago hadn't said "You shouldn't have to pinch hit for your everyday players"


Collins just seems all over the place with his reasoning about some of his baseball decisions.

And how about just putting Duda in the cleanup spot since they went with him over Ike. All this massaging their fragile personalities seems like a manager over thinking things. Give him the job and see if he doesn't respond as they need him to.

I don't mean to rant but Collins is wearing on me a little. Give me Wally Backman at this point and I think he gets more out of this currently constructed team.
Another base running error.  
BigBlueBuff : 4/22/2014 7:17 pm : link
Shocking...
that counts as a hit for granderson  
CGiants07 : 4/22/2014 7:20 pm : link
since that was one of hardest hit in the last 2 weeks
Dave Kingman never struck out  
Rflairr : 4/22/2014 8:25 pm : link
at a rate like this guy
nice bounce back inning for Gee  
PhiPsi125 : 4/22/2014 8:28 pm : link
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lol, just cant win.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/22/2014 8:31 pm : link
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Think of the kind of contract a David Kingman would demand  
steve in ky : 4/22/2014 8:35 pm : link
in todays market.
that was our best shot at wainright  
PhiPsi125 : 4/22/2014 8:38 pm : link
Oh well.
Granderson is 0 for his last 22  
PhiPsi125 : 4/22/2014 8:54 pm : link
He has never done that before.

Players love coming to the Mets and setting their own worst personal records.

Wainwright is a better hitter than Granderson.
I wasn't really thrilled with the Granderson signing  
steve in ky : 4/22/2014 8:58 pm : link
But only the Mets could get this kind of start from him after only recently having to buy out Bay's contract after he was a total bust.
Yup  
Rflairr : 4/22/2014 9:01 pm : link
Still remember Alomar. Plays like a HOF the season before coming to the Mets. Gets here and hits like Mike Bordick
chris young likely beats that out if he doesnt  
PhiPsi125 : 4/22/2014 9:06 pm : link
sit in the batter's box because he thought it would be caught. Surprised that Ron or Gary didn't call him out on it.
The Mets have a long history of big names not living up to expectation  
steve in ky : 4/22/2014 9:06 pm : link
George Foster was one of the first really big names to greatly disappoint.
Mo Vaughn  
PhiPsi125 : 4/22/2014 9:11 pm : link
Bobby Bo
Alomar
Jason Bay
Johan Santana
Pedro

Just to name a few.
..................  
sphinx : 4/22/2014 9:26 pm : link
Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 4m
Not good news for #StLCards fans with Adam Wainwright out after 79 pitches with potential leg injury.

Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 4m
Adam Wainwright done after seven scoreless innings and 79 pitches. Not sure extent of injury, but landed poorly leaping for chopper.

Release  
Rflairr : 4/22/2014 9:41 pm : link
this clown Valverde. Vic Black can't be this bad.
Ike following up last night with an 0-3 night so far  
steve in ky : 4/22/2014 9:45 pm : link
So even the he hit the GS it isn't like he is doing anything so very different as a Pirate.

DW has a chance to tie it with one swing of the bat  
steve in ky : 4/22/2014 9:47 pm : link
Lets Go Mets!
Too close to take  
steve in ky : 4/22/2014 9:49 pm : link
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Oh well  
steve in ky : 4/22/2014 9:52 pm : link
Lost to a quality starter and still at .500 which is about as good as you can realistically expect at this point of the season.

Hopefully they can score some runs tomorrow.
Three more baserunning errors, two more empty  
BigBlueBuff : 4/22/2014 10:16 pm : link
bases loaded situations, and more misery for Allen Craig and Kolten Wong. It's very telling that the Cards are 2-9 in games when they've scored fewer than four runs and both of those were with Wainwright pitching. The Cards have significant offensive problems right now for a team with championship aspirations.

By the way, I think that play by Jay was dirty. That should have been ruled on under the new rule protecting the catcher, in my opinion.
yeah the play by Jay was dirty, mostly because TdA  
PhiPsi125 : 4/22/2014 11:29 pm : link
had his back to him and Jay purposely went out of his way to take him out. That could have really injured him. And Jay knew it too...he was laughing in the dugout right after.

However, it is a legal play. Worse than taking out a second baseman during a double play but still legal so im not going to get crazy about it. But its fucked up to aim for a guys knees when his back is to you. Id be furious is TdA ended up getting hurt because of that play.
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