NFT: Isola: Dolan getting in Phil's way

Knicks aren't winning anything with Melo taking every last penny. So the outside chance they are good quickly without Melo makes more sense than giving him every last penny.

and im a huge melo fan. First off your bidding against yourself, i mean who is going to give him the full max? Is CHI or HOU going to give him the full max? I doubt it. As ive said from the get go, it should be around a 5/100 deal, its the max amount of money he could get from another team but with an extra year on the deal which keeps the cost down for us.

Jackson basically saying this will not be a one man team and that he will nto sacrifice resources to keep 1 guy...its basically his way or the highway he runs the team and no one else...

and if you dont like it leave..

I would have thought she wanted him back in Cali as much as possible.

I still think this story is Isola creating drama where there isn't any - an owner of a business hires a new president to run things, it's only natural there would be some back and forth over rank and file staff and other things. Nothing to see here, IMO

but it's just crazy to me that every time Dolan farts in Jackson's direction the media in this town will report it as impending doom. Do you guys honestly think that Pro Owners and their GMs see eye to eye on every single decision? Is it possible Dolan gave Jackson full autonomy but they have a mere difference of opinion but in the end, will come to a reasonable agreement? Maybe Dolan didn't envision that Jackson would want to fire some team exec and now that Jackson has alluded to this potential firing, Dolan voiced his displeasure and ends up pleading with Jackson to perhaps re-assign this guy? Not everything is black and white. Maybe there's nothing at all to this story--Jackson's comments from TODAY certainly don't belie my optimistic belief, or maybe there's SOME truth to it, but it's hardly something to get worked up over.

It's just pathetic to me that every time something rumbles in the Garden the Daily News is there to cry the sky is falling. No facts. No real analysis....just doom and gloom. Stir the pot some more there Frank...

for 15 years because of Frank Isola, not James Dolan. Thank for straightening that out guys. ;)

it's a free country, believe what you want, but some of you really need to stop taking every single thing you read from the media as gospel. It's a source of info...the media can be extremely useful and at times they can make the world a better place but some of you read a story and immediately go nuts. "This is a bad sign" ---really?

Don't believe everything you read.

have no clue whats really going on at the Garden. Keep living in your fantasy world. The guy has no idea how to run an organization and it goes so far beyond a few bad personnel decisions. Hopefully Phil changes everything about how they run the Knicks.

In comment 11634189 Greg from LI said:

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It is entirely possibly to hate both Dolan AND Isola, you know.

BINGFUCKINGGO

he says mean things about my shitty team. Wahhh.

you're being ridiculous again.

You continue to gloss over my take on Dolan and pigeon hole my opinion into a pro Dolan stance. Honestly it's gotten fucking annoying repeating myself. You know damn well I am not defending Dolan as much as I am ASKING FUCKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MEDIA'S clearly SLANTED TAKE on The KNICKS.

Are you and Isola friends? Sure the fuck sounds like it.

at least I am not the one who said the dumbest thing ever on BBI. You took the mantle from Anak. Bravo.

Find me someone, anyone, on here who thinks Lil' Jimmy knows how to run a franchise.

but you've changed your stance a bit as the season wore on. I remember debates we've had before this season or even early in the season in regards to you defending Dolan and saying that he's not so bad. You have no clue how far past personnel decisions this goes. The whole culture of how they do business is effed. It's not just a bad trade here and there, it's everything about how they run their team. It's not a coincidence that they have been an embarrassment for so long.

Everything from media access to controlling EVERYTHING said, to mistreating employees, to agents running the show to people leaking info to writers, to players controlling everything and catering to players and everything in between. Isola has an agenda, but theres a reason he has it and he's taken a negative slant to every move the Knicks have made and yet he's been right 99% of the time. We can only pray that Phil Jackson has enough pull to completely overhaul how they do business at the Garden. If so, you will start to see some people write positive things.

There are lots better options than the Knicks.

that there isn't 1 person who posts regularly on these threads who doesn't realize what a fiasco and laughing stock the Knicks have been as an organization for the better part of the past 15 years. We all realize that Dolan is a meglomaniacal idiot cokehead who won the gene pool lottery by having a brilliant dad that basically invented cable tv. That having been said Isola is an idiot hack writer with an agenda who is butt hurt because he can't talk to a soul at the Garden. When he is talking about hard news with real sources I might listen. Might. When he is writing yet another piece about dark shadows at the Garden and clearly making up shit I'll choose to ignore it like I do the other 100 similar pieces he has written this past year alone.

I want facts. I don't want rumors and innuendo. I want to know what really happens in MSG. I don't want some jilted cranky sports writer to literally shit Knicks hate every single day. It's lazy. I want to know more. I hate that Dolan has frozen the media out because it has led to unfounded stories that keep us all guessing. Maybe Isola is telling the truth for once. I certainly wouldn't be shocked to learn that Dolan was in fact clashing with Jackson already. But the guy cries wolf every fucking day. Doesn't that bother you a little bit? If you don't question Isola's credibility at all, you're living in the fantasy world. The guy is clearly waxing a daily agenda here. And that leads to toxic articles like this one. Yes, that bothers me. I want to read an article once in a while and believe it.

Maybe Dolan is the biggest Cancer to hit NY Sports. Shit, I fucking said that very line 15 fucking years ago. I've been a fan of the Knicks since the mid 80s. I think I have earned the right to question things.

I know how the media in this town works. I've seen them try to run WINNNERS out of town because the guy treated writers like shit. I can prove it. So please, save me the flat out ignorant take that the media doesn't go out of their way to paint someone in a bad light when they see fit.

I'll trumpet this shit every day. Don't care.

am i not allowed to hate Isola and Dolan? By despising everything about how Isola does his job does that mean i am defending Dolan? THey are both bottom feeders as far as im concerned. And the defense of Isola i find comical, aww the knicks are mean to him, grow up, none of the other writers are nearly as bad as him and im sure they deal with the same crap he does. And if the knicks treat him worse then others, well he deserves it. To be honest if i ran the knicks im not sure id let Isola into press conferences at this point.

the guy do the job you hired him for.He's cleaning up your mess. Get out of the way.

In comment 11634579 chris r said:

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There are lots better options than the Knicks.

Fuck off, bandwagon boy

In comment 11634582 djm said:

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I want facts. I don't want rumors and innuendo. I want to know what really happens in MSG. I don't want some jilted cranky sports writer to literally shit Knicks hate every single day. It's lazy. I want to know more. I hate that Dolan has frozen the media out because it has led to unfounded stories that keep us all guessing. Maybe Isola is telling the truth for once. I certainly wouldn't be shocked to learn that Dolan was in fact clashing with Jackson already. But the guy cries wolf every fucking day. Doesn't that bother you a little bit? If you don't question Isola's credibility at all, you're living in the fantasy world. The guy is clearly waxing a daily agenda here. And that leads to toxic articles like this one. Yes, that bothers me. I want to read an article once in a while and believe it. Maybe Dolan is the biggest Cancer to hit NY Sports. Shit, I fucking said that very line 15 fucking years ago. I've been a fan of the Knicks since the mid 80s. I think I have earned the right to question things. I know how the media in this town works. I've seen them try to run WINNNERS out of town because the guy treated writers like shit. I can prove it. So please, save me the flat out ignorant take that the media doesn't go out of their way to paint someone in a bad light when they see fit. I'll trumpet this shit every day. Don't care.

LOL, keep waiting for facts. You'll never get em though because Dolan controls everything that gets released to the media. Hopefully Phil can change how they do things.

Even still, how they deal with the media is only 1 aspect of everything that's wrong with the Knicks. I think Phil Jackson is going to do his best to change them, I just hope Dolan allows that.

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"As far as Jim Dolan's promise or his premise when I took this job that's he's going to leave basketball decisions up to me, really, he's been loyal to that promise," Jackson said. "And going forward from last week through this week, just wanting to talk to [ex-Knicks coach] Mike [Woodson] when we were through talking to him, the staff -- it's all our decision. He's been very true to his word to this point."

its obvious that Isola has the inside sources and Jackson is already just saying what the knicks want him to say, sees like how jackson operates.

In comment 11634564 kmed said:

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but you've changed your stance a bit as the season wore on. I remember debates we've had before this season or even early in the season in regards to you defending Dolan and saying that he's not so bad. You have no clue how far past personnel decisions this goes. The whole culture of how they do business is effed. It's not just a bad trade here and there, it's everything about how they run their team. It's not a coincidence that they have been an embarrassment for so long. Everything from media access to controlling EVERYTHING said, to mistreating employees, to agents running the show to people leaking info to writers, to players controlling everything and catering to players and everything in between. Isola has an agenda, but theres a reason he has it and he's taken a negative slant to every move the Knicks have made and yet he's been right 99% of the time. We can only pray that Phil Jackson has enough pull to completely overhaul how they do business at the Garden. If so, you will start to see some people write positive things.

Now you're just lying. I never ever ever defended Dolan. I said I question some of the downright horrible things the media has printed about Dolan. What I did defend was Dolan's penchant for spending money. Before every fucking take I would proclaim that at the very LEAST, Dolan had failed miserably as a 'win loss' owner in this town. At the very least I acknowledged that Dolan had failed due to bad hirings. Cmon man...who the fuck could actually defend Dolan's job here as owner? Go find me one post where I said this guy didn't fail in terms of wins and losses. You won't. What I questioned was how much of a monster this guy realy was or is. How the hell do we really know anything? All we know is the media hates this guy and the Knicks have lost a lot. He's an easy target, and rightfully so. But the Knicks did win 54 games last year. They did compete at a profession but mediocre level the year prior and yet the media still portrayed the Knicks as a circus. How come the Nets didn't get the same shit coverage? They did worse than the Knicks the last 2-3 years.

I'm done. If you can't pick up what i'm trying to convey that you simply don't want to. BElieve what you want.

I couldn't stand Isola; this year there was something monumentally awful going on in Knicks land, and it made all of his chicken little theories over the years sound like each and every one of them could have been true. Any benefit of the doubt has been removed from my mind in these negative reports because under absolutely no circumstances should a Carmelo Anthony lead team not make the playoffs without him being significantly hurt in a conference like this Eastern Conference. I do understand he is a shit stirrer, but with how bad things have been, who am I to say he is over-dramatizing anything?

but this is what I mean when I say you defend him...

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What I questioned was how much of a monster this guy realy was or is.

You have no clue how bad things are over there(or hopefully were before Phil Jackson). He is a tyrant, a control freak and the organization is a disaster. I've spoken to people that have worked there.

fairness Phil's quote doesn't really say much. How many basketball decisions have been made? Firing a shitty coaching staff? I think we expected that even if Jackson wasn't hired.

what is Isola talking about when he says that Dolan has already been meddling? Arent those the same non decisions that phil would be talking about?

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Everything from media access to controlling EVERYTHING said, to mistreating employees, to agents running the show to people leaking info to writers, to players controlling everything and catering to players and everything in between. Isola has an agenda, but theres a reason he has it and he's taken a negative slant to every move the Knicks have made and yet he's been right 99% of the time. We can only pray that Phil Jackson has enough pull to completely overhaul how they do business at the Garden. If so, you will start to see some people write positive things.

agreed, kmed...and my 6 mth old just spit up on my pants while typing this out...ADvantage KMED

or game over??! Thanks kid, I owe you one.

refer to this "story" that he wants Herb back. Gotta admit it's strange how Herb seemingly has a job for life. If he is brought back I have to believe that's from Dolan, wouldn't you?

Dolan has been true to his word so far...Isola says he ahsnt and has been meddling...who do you believe?

im just sick of the media using possible past events to disparage the knicks future.

with the NBA playoffs on. Do you think this would be so talked about if a NY team was actually in the NBA playoffs?

had the story of Dolan pushing Herb on Jackson, not Isola. Nobody else finds it strange Herb stays even when the HC changes? Clearly he has a cheerleader. Maybe Phil doesn't give a shit if Herb is the 4th assistant coach enough to complain about it. Just think if Herb Williams returns it's pretty clearly from Dolan.

that Dolan loves. Maybe he feels connected and it makes him feel better. Whats going on with Houston? Does Phil want to keep him around?

In the playoffs.

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In the playoffs.

WHAT??? Truth?

was recently named the GM of the Dleague team (March 10th) which was during the Jackson decision time so if Houston were let go it would mean Jackson specifically didn't care for Houston. I suspect Houston will be back though.

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that Dolan loves. Maybe he feels connected and it makes him feel better. Whats going on with Houston? Does Phil want to keep him around?

There was a story i think in post about Warkentein being let go with Clarence Gaines being hired...Houston is up in the air...

In comment 11634622 djm said:

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im just sick of the media using possible past events to disparage the knicks future.

Exactly. We know about the fucking dysfunction. We know the guy is a clown. And we also know that Isola has his own personal battle going on with the Garden. So what exactly is the point of the article? To inform us fans? Bullshit. Its to drive conversation and get talking heads to bash the organization. How much more can that be done? There isn't a fan alive who thinks the Knicks have been run well or have had anywhere near an acceptable amount of success.

was still employed by the Knicks as of a few hours ago.

(not a Knick hater at all to my knowledge) implied today that Houston isn't highly thought of around the NBA.

and his relationship (as well as the relationship with other Knicks beat writers) with the Knicks.

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"I was friendly with Kurt Thomas, very friendly with him," Isola said, as "She's Gone" by Hall & Oates played in the background. "And Marbury hated Kurt Thomas. So any time I had a story, they were convinced that Kurt Thomas was telling me—to the point where Kurt was like, 'I know they're trading me in the off-season.' I said, 'A hundred percent.' Sure enough, they traded Kurt. And when they made the trade to bring Kurt back [last summer], I called him up and I said, 'I feel bad for you.' He said, 'Why?' I said, 'Well, first of all, you're going to get the phone call.' He goes, 'What do you mean, I'm gonna get the phone call?' I said, 'At some point, Supranowitz is going to call you up and tell you you really shouldn't be seen talking to me.' "So I was at the Olympics. And my phone rings at two o'clock in the morning, London time. It's Kurt Thomas, and he's giving me, 'Oh, look at you! They sent you over there. You're big time!' And I could tell he wanted to say something. So maybe like two minutes go by, and I say, 'What else is up?', and he said, 'Oh, I just wanted you to know, I got that phone call today.' Yeah, no kidding. I told him, I said, 'Kurt. Listen. You need to do what's best for you and for your family. You don’t ever want to talk to me, you don't have to. I'll be able to get stories anyway. Just worry about yourself. Because they're going to accuse you of telling me stuff.' That's the way they operate over there."

Deadspin - ( New Window )

In comment 11634702 DanMetroMan said:

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(not a Knick hater at all to my knowledge) implied today that Houston isn't highly thought of around the NBA.

Seems fair. He hasn't done anything as an exec.

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“You can get stale on the beat,” Isola continued. “I shouldn’t be doing it anymore after 12 years. If everything was status quo and if everything was great, I probably would be the wrong guy to have on it. But now I’m the right guy to have on it, because they’re trying to screw me over, and, by trying to screw me over, it kind of lights a fire in you a little bit. It makes you more motivated to find stuff out and expose what’s going on here.” I told him it sounded as if he was sticking around out of spite. “Absolutely,” he said. “They thought it would be the opposite—they thought they’d beat me down and run me off. I thank them for it.”

New York Observer (from 2007) - ( New Window )

to be clear I mean highly thought of as an exec, I didn't want to imply as a person.

Warkentein was possibly being let go with Gaines being hired..my mistake

made it sound like Warkentien is expected to be let go and Houston/Mills re-assigned but he was just guessing.

the front office is not a top priority...i think he hired Gaines to be his eyes and ears right now with Mills and Houston still hired...

didn't mean to blast you with the dumbest thing ever said on BBI, comment. That's a lofty achievement. I got worked up but all you really said was I am living in a fantasy land. Group hug.

Dolan is a turd. I can't defend even if I am not really trying to...if it sounds even a bit like a defense I need to stop. He's shite.