NFT: Isola: Dolan getting in Phil's way

Isola will be right and Jackson will resign today and then Dolan rehires Isiah to be president and head coach...

with whether you think Dolan is an asshole. It has to do with the fact that the media can spin the direction of fan opinion (as seen in this thread and heard on the radio) and they do so fequently because of personal agendas. What does it serve Isola to seek out problems other than to have people talk about it and also fuck with the team? This is a writer who whined for days after being told he couldn't ask a question.

It's actually funny how many fans just fall right in line when it comes to these writers. As though they are completely honest and have no bend to their stories. All these guys do is bend the fans to their BS talking points.

the organization is the worst run in sports? They deserve being ridiculed every chance they get. The bottom line is, there's enough evidence that the organization is run poorly, so why does it bother anyone when Isola calls them out.

Like kmed said, it appears that the Isola bashers want to believe things aren't as bad as they are, which is why you blame Isola for being negative. Sure, he's over the top, but, why does that matter?

its that we do not believe Isola...

Like i said if Hahn or Herring wrote this article i would be pissed as hell and believe it in a second..

You honestly don't see how his act severely undermines his credibility as a beat writer?

that a writer who's had an agenda for years, was wrong about Phil coming here, and then got embarrassed at the presser would come out firing with some overreacting BS article intending to create controversy? And why fans of the Knicks - no matter how bad their owner is - would actually think Isola writing this type of shit is good for anything or anyone is beyond me. It does absolutely nothing but cause trouble for the team.

it's hard to believe what that person writes. And the Daily News loves having shit stirrers for writers too, Ralph isn't Isola but he loves to stir the pot over nothing sometimes.

even look like Ron Harper has coached at all since a 3 year stint as an assistant with the Pistons 05-07. Phil Jackson or not he's not the next HC of the Knicks.

They've been terrible for 15 years. If Frank Isola whines hard enough about not being allowed to ask questions in a presser, that's somehow going to change things?

If enough back pages with cute head lines and JD and the straight shot jokes are printed, that's going to make a billionaire with an ever-expanding net worth sell the team?

We've established they're poorly run. Everybody gets that. And we're at the point where if Carmelo Anthony trips on a shoelace, Dolan gets 40% of the blame. That doesn't make Isola any less of a self important clown. The media policy stinks, but every writer deals with it, and some even responsibly report news and get things right.

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Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN 3m

Phil says Carmelo talked to him about taking a pay cut to help the club. Hopes that he "is true to his word."

In comment 11634200 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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And where is this list of things Isola has gotten right over the years?

That list would be endless...... he's called every move they've made over the past 10 years a disaster and 99% of the time he has been correct. Not saying that you can't take this he says with a grain of salt, but things have been horrible in Knick land for a long time; until they do something to deserve credit, why give them credit?

Not about giving the knicks credit... It's about almost outwardly hoping they fuck up and trying his best to keep the tone around the team in a negative light.

In comment 11634355 Steve in Greenwich said:

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In comment 11634200 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: And where is this list of things Isola has gotten right over the years? That list would be endless...... he's called every move they've made over the past 10 years a disaster and 99% of the time he has been correct. Not saying that you can't take this he says with a grain of salt, but things have been horrible in Knick land for a long time; until they do something to deserve credit, why give them credit?

You can say he's been right 99% of the time, but where's the proof? It's easy to dump on every move the organization makes because past moves haven't worked out, but what's the alternative? Do nothing and keep being terrible? Should they not have hired Phil?

i am not going to copy and paste everything but everything is via Twitter:

First he said the coaching search is not going to be done quickly and is looking for a coach that is a leader and said there will be some triangle involved in the new offense...

Said he will talk to Kerr within the next month but has other cnadidates as well who he will not mention..

Talked to Kerr about ayear ago about coming with him to seattle, last time they talked was January when Kerr talked to him about Coaching philosophies...

Said Dolan has stayed "true to his word" when talking about taking a step back and letting Phil run everything

Said he wants and needs Melo to take a pay cut to help build this team cites Tim Duncan and Miami big 3

Said Head coach will determine staff but he will have veto power..maybe a shot at Herb a little bit?

No time table on coaching search just wants someone for summer league team...

said he will not coach, Jeannie tried to talk him into coaching rather being the front office guy but he said no...

Hiring front office guy not a priority right now, did hire Clarence Gaines Jr...

he said if Melo is here then great and the Knicks move forward, If melo leaves great and the Knicks move forward..all about moving forward..

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 1m
I get that he has the track record of meddling too much, but that would be his right. And Phil would still be completely over the bball side
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Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 1m
If Phil came in saying he wanted bball autonomy, Dolan could give him that & still have questions about making other changes. He's the owner
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Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 2m
... the medical staff, or over PR stuff, I'd still think Dolan was keeping his word. Really debatable as to whether those are bball issues.

Phil isnt going to bring Melo back if he's only willing to stay for max money, good. Now that could change if they actually believe he's going to leave, but if he wants the absolute max sign and trade him

would be one of my worst case scenarios.

In comment 11634377 MookGiants said:

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Phil isnt going to bring Melo back if he's only willing to stay for max money, good. Now that could change if they actually believe he's going to leave, but if he wants the absolute max sign and trade him

Jackson made it a point to say he needs melo to take less and if he leaves then he leaves and Knicks move on....made it sound like he is not going to be forced to keep someone...

Also Melo saying to him in the exit interview he will take less is a good sign..

like Jackson putting the pressure on Melo. "Hey man, you are about winning a title right? You want to win? Take a paycut like others have done".

@StevePopper 56s
Phil Zen on Melo: "If it's in the cards man are we fortunate. If it's not in the cards, man are we fortunate and we're going forward anyway.

of him staying with the Knicks. The one big advantage the Knicks have is that they can offer him an extra year and more money. If he's willing to take less, what advantage do the Knicks have over the Rockets and Bulls?

It's a good thing because it seems like they arent going to do what they shouldn't, and thats offer him the full max.

that the Knicks will run the triangle...he said something like he is surprised so many coaches are interested even though the triangle will be involved...

Mook the Knicks advantage is the 5 years...thats their advantage...

Melo either comes back for less than the max,or he's not coming back. Message to inmates: your days of running the asylum are OVER.

he was referring to what Melo told him personnaly which was he would take a pay cut to help build this team and Phil said "i hope he stays true to that"

It's much more than a basketball offense to Phil. It is the embodiment of everything he preaches.

over the weekend said the salary cap will be raised by about 5 million. What impact will that have on the Bulls or Rockets need for a sign and trade?

the knicks can still offer the extra year which would allow them to start him off at less money but still make more then other teams can offer. Also the bulls and rockets cant offer the full max either without a S&T so they arent great examples.

In comment 11634412 NJGiantFan84 said:

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over the weekend said the salary cap will be raised by about 5 million. What impact will that have on the Bulls or Rockets need for a sign and trade?

Depends on what Melo is willing to take...Bulls would still need one with cap holds and their first round picks guaranteed salaries unless they get rid of Gibson...

Houston has a lot of salary to shed before they can even think about Melo...

Knicks aren't winning anything with Melo taking every last penny. So the outside chance they are good quickly without Melo makes more sense than giving him every last penny.

and im a huge melo fan. First off your bidding against yourself, i mean who is going to give him the full max? Is CHI or HOU going to give him the full max? I doubt it. As ive said from the get go, it should be around a 5/100 deal, its the max amount of money he could get from another team but with an extra year on the deal which keeps the cost down for us.

Jackson basically saying this will not be a one man team and that he will nto sacrifice resources to keep 1 guy...its basically his way or the highway he runs the team and no one else...

and if you dont like it leave..

I would have thought she wanted him back in Cali as much as possible.

I still think this story is Isola creating drama where there isn't any - an owner of a business hires a new president to run things, it's only natural there would be some back and forth over rank and file staff and other things. Nothing to see here, IMO

but it's just crazy to me that every time Dolan farts in Jackson's direction the media in this town will report it as impending doom. Do you guys honestly think that Pro Owners and their GMs see eye to eye on every single decision? Is it possible Dolan gave Jackson full autonomy but they have a mere difference of opinion but in the end, will come to a reasonable agreement? Maybe Dolan didn't envision that Jackson would want to fire some team exec and now that Jackson has alluded to this potential firing, Dolan voiced his displeasure and ends up pleading with Jackson to perhaps re-assign this guy? Not everything is black and white. Maybe there's nothing at all to this story--Jackson's comments from TODAY certainly don't belie my optimistic belief, or maybe there's SOME truth to it, but it's hardly something to get worked up over.

It's just pathetic to me that every time something rumbles in the Garden the Daily News is there to cry the sky is falling. No facts. No real analysis....just doom and gloom. Stir the pot some more there Frank...

for 15 years because of Frank Isola, not James Dolan. Thank for straightening that out guys. ;)

it's a free country, believe what you want, but some of you really need to stop taking every single thing you read from the media as gospel. It's a source of info...the media can be extremely useful and at times they can make the world a better place but some of you read a story and immediately go nuts. "This is a bad sign" ---really?

Don't believe everything you read.

have no clue whats really going on at the Garden. Keep living in your fantasy world. The guy has no idea how to run an organization and it goes so far beyond a few bad personnel decisions. Hopefully Phil changes everything about how they run the Knicks.

In comment 11634189 Greg from LI said:

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It is entirely possibly to hate both Dolan AND Isola, you know.

BINGFUCKINGGO

he says mean things about my shitty team. Wahhh.

you're being ridiculous again.

You continue to gloss over my take on Dolan and pigeon hole my opinion into a pro Dolan stance. Honestly it's gotten fucking annoying repeating myself. You know damn well I am not defending Dolan as much as I am ASKING FUCKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MEDIA'S clearly SLANTED TAKE on The KNICKS.

Are you and Isola friends? Sure the fuck sounds like it.

at least I am not the one who said the dumbest thing ever on BBI. You took the mantle from Anak. Bravo.

Find me someone, anyone, on here who thinks Lil' Jimmy knows how to run a franchise.

but you've changed your stance a bit as the season wore on. I remember debates we've had before this season or even early in the season in regards to you defending Dolan and saying that he's not so bad. You have no clue how far past personnel decisions this goes. The whole culture of how they do business is effed. It's not just a bad trade here and there, it's everything about how they run their team. It's not a coincidence that they have been an embarrassment for so long.

Everything from media access to controlling EVERYTHING said, to mistreating employees, to agents running the show to people leaking info to writers, to players controlling everything and catering to players and everything in between. Isola has an agenda, but theres a reason he has it and he's taken a negative slant to every move the Knicks have made and yet he's been right 99% of the time. We can only pray that Phil Jackson has enough pull to completely overhaul how they do business at the Garden. If so, you will start to see some people write positive things.

There are lots better options than the Knicks.

that there isn't 1 person who posts regularly on these threads who doesn't realize what a fiasco and laughing stock the Knicks have been as an organization for the better part of the past 15 years. We all realize that Dolan is a meglomaniacal idiot cokehead who won the gene pool lottery by having a brilliant dad that basically invented cable tv. That having been said Isola is an idiot hack writer with an agenda who is butt hurt because he can't talk to a soul at the Garden. When he is talking about hard news with real sources I might listen. Might. When he is writing yet another piece about dark shadows at the Garden and clearly making up shit I'll choose to ignore it like I do the other 100 similar pieces he has written this past year alone.

I want facts. I don't want rumors and innuendo. I want to know what really happens in MSG. I don't want some jilted cranky sports writer to literally shit Knicks hate every single day. It's lazy. I want to know more. I hate that Dolan has frozen the media out because it has led to unfounded stories that keep us all guessing. Maybe Isola is telling the truth for once. I certainly wouldn't be shocked to learn that Dolan was in fact clashing with Jackson already. But the guy cries wolf every fucking day. Doesn't that bother you a little bit? If you don't question Isola's credibility at all, you're living in the fantasy world. The guy is clearly waxing a daily agenda here. And that leads to toxic articles like this one. Yes, that bothers me. I want to read an article once in a while and believe it.

Maybe Dolan is the biggest Cancer to hit NY Sports. Shit, I fucking said that very line 15 fucking years ago. I've been a fan of the Knicks since the mid 80s. I think I have earned the right to question things.

I know how the media in this town works. I've seen them try to run WINNNERS out of town because the guy treated writers like shit. I can prove it. So please, save me the flat out ignorant take that the media doesn't go out of their way to paint someone in a bad light when they see fit.

I'll trumpet this shit every day. Don't care.

am i not allowed to hate Isola and Dolan? By despising everything about how Isola does his job does that mean i am defending Dolan? THey are both bottom feeders as far as im concerned. And the defense of Isola i find comical, aww the knicks are mean to him, grow up, none of the other writers are nearly as bad as him and im sure they deal with the same crap he does. And if the knicks treat him worse then others, well he deserves it. To be honest if i ran the knicks im not sure id let Isola into press conferences at this point.

the guy do the job you hired him for.He's cleaning up your mess. Get out of the way.

In comment 11634579 chris r said:

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There are lots better options than the Knicks.

Fuck off, bandwagon boy

In comment 11634582 djm said:

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I want facts. I don't want rumors and innuendo. I want to know what really happens in MSG. I don't want some jilted cranky sports writer to literally shit Knicks hate every single day. It's lazy. I want to know more. I hate that Dolan has frozen the media out because it has led to unfounded stories that keep us all guessing. Maybe Isola is telling the truth for once. I certainly wouldn't be shocked to learn that Dolan was in fact clashing with Jackson already. But the guy cries wolf every fucking day. Doesn't that bother you a little bit? If you don't question Isola's credibility at all, you're living in the fantasy world. The guy is clearly waxing a daily agenda here. And that leads to toxic articles like this one. Yes, that bothers me. I want to read an article once in a while and believe it. Maybe Dolan is the biggest Cancer to hit NY Sports. Shit, I fucking said that very line 15 fucking years ago. I've been a fan of the Knicks since the mid 80s. I think I have earned the right to question things. I know how the media in this town works. I've seen them try to run WINNNERS out of town because the guy treated writers like shit. I can prove it. So please, save me the flat out ignorant take that the media doesn't go out of their way to paint someone in a bad light when they see fit. I'll trumpet this shit every day. Don't care.

LOL, keep waiting for facts. You'll never get em though because Dolan controls everything that gets released to the media. Hopefully Phil can change how they do things.

Even still, how they deal with the media is only 1 aspect of everything that's wrong with the Knicks. I think Phil Jackson is going to do his best to change them, I just hope Dolan allows that.

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"As far as Jim Dolan's promise or his premise when I took this job that's he's going to leave basketball decisions up to me, really, he's been loyal to that promise," Jackson said. "And going forward from last week through this week, just wanting to talk to [ex-Knicks coach] Mike [Woodson] when we were through talking to him, the staff -- it's all our decision. He's been very true to his word to this point."

its obvious that Isola has the inside sources and Jackson is already just saying what the knicks want him to say, sees like how jackson operates.