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NYG Draft Preview - Defensive Ends

Sy'56 : 4/23/2014 8:39 am
*DISCLAIMER: These are Defensive End grades/rankings for the NYG 4-3 scheme. Barr and Mack are NOT included, as I have put them in my LB preview.

Current Defensive Ends on NYG Roster:

Jason Pierre-Paul – 25 – Signed through 2015

Mathias Kiwaunuka – 31 – Signed through 2015

DaMontre Moore – 21 – Signed through 2016

Robert Ayers – 29 – Signed through 2015

Kendrick Adams – 26 – Signed through 2015



Where They Stand:

Long gone are the days of NYG defensive ends wrecking havoc on opposing offenses week in, week out. 2013 was a rough year for this group and their leading sack artist (Tuck) is no longer a part of it. The five players listed above combined for 11.5 sacks last season (Adams did not play in any games) and they are going to be counted on to all reverse their production in the right direction. Pierre-Paul may get a little pass because of his back injury that certainly lingered and prohibited him from ever playing at 100%. His talent and upside are still up there. Kiwanuka and Ayers are reliable veterans that play a physical style, but won’t scare anyone off the edge. They don’t have the explosion and neither will demand double teams. Moore could be the wildcard here. His combination of youth and tools will get him the chance to make consistent contributions to this defense. Can he handle the physical side of the game well enough? We’ll find out. He could be the guy that makes this group as a whole much better. These five guys can get the job done but as I said earlier, they are nowhere near the echelon of domination NYG fans were watching just a few years ago.



Top 10 Grades:

1 – JaDeveon Clowney – South Carolina – 6’5/266: 93

2 – Kony Ealy – Missouri – 6’4/273: 80

3 – Aaron Lynch – South Florida – 6’5/249: 76

4 – Will Clarke – West Virginia – 6’6/271: 76

5 – Marcus Smith – Louisville – 6’3/251: 76

6 – Jeremiah Attaochu – Georgia Tech – 6’5/252: 75

7 – Trent Murphy – Stanford – 6’5/250: 74

8 – Adrian Hubbard – Alabama – 6’6/257: 74

9 – Dee Ford – Auburn – 6’2/252: 70

10 – Kareem Martin – North Carolina – 6’6/272: 70





Day One Target:

JaDeveon Clowney – South Carolina

I don’t think there is any DE worthy of taking in round one other than Clowney, although I understand this is completely unrealistic, I didn’t want to leave this blank. Clowney is one of a few prospects that I would make an aggressive trade up for. However the price for NYG to move up in to the top 5, let alone top 3, will likely be astronomical and likely counterproductive. That said, if he somehow slips to the 6-8 area, I would make an aggressive move up for him. He is a once-in-a-generation type talent that could be one of the top defenders in the NFL within two years. NYG could really use a guy like this but I am fully aware the chances of this happening are almost zero.

Runner Up: Kony Ealy – Missouri

Ealy is a borderline first rounder on my board and even that may be a bit high. His grade is based purely on upside because of his size and movement ability. He looked raw in a lot of games I saw. Just unaware of the action around him and showed inability to get off blocks effectively. He is a top-notch kid though with some tools to work with and he plays really hard. I think he can mold himself in to a fine player.


Day Two Target:

Will Clarke – West Virginia

Clarke comes from a different kind of scheme but I think he is a guy that moves well enough to play DE in this scheme. He doesn’t have the elite burst but he does have short area quickness and he plays a physical brand. Clarke consistently showed the ability to get off blocks and make plays. His size appears to be NFL ready and I think he gives NYG a better version of what they have in Kiwanuka right away. If he can be had in the third round, you are talking about a big time value grab.

Runner Up: Marcus Smith – Louisville

I have a higher grade on Smith than most do. His lack of height and length hurt his grade a bit, but this versatile pass rusher plays fast and strong. He is a tough guy to block because of his relentless pursuit and incredibly strong and balanced lower half. I think he’ll prove to be a consistent 7-9 sack per year guy that also defends the run.


Day Three Target:

Aaron Lynch – South Florida

Lynch may be one of the most polarizing prospects in this entire class. Talent wise, he may be the number two guy in this class. He can make some impressive plays in a variety of ways, using his short area busrt and length to gain an advantage over the blocker. When he plays hard and focused, he can change a game by himself. Not many defensive ends can say that in college. His issues off the field downgraded him quite a bit, but his potential is too high to pass on throughout day three. He is a year or two away from playing with dominant ability in the league much like Greg Hardy from the Panthers.

Runner Up: Adrian Hubbard – Alabama

Hubbard played a hybrid rush linebacker role but I have always seen him as a potential DE in a traditional 4-3 scheme. He can explode off the edge and play a low, strong game using his length and power to keep blockers from locking on to him. He could take an extra year or two to get acclimated to the position, but that’s ok for NYG. They have enough on depth chart to allow a player to develop properly.


Most Overrated:

Scott Crichton – Oregon State (63)

I’ve watched and re-watched a few Oregon State games and I still don’t see what there is to like about Crichton. He plays hard but he doesn’t make the impact I want out of a DE. He can’t get off the good blockers and he won’t burst by anybody. Crichton is an average player across the board that you can find in the later rounds, if not undrafted free agency. By no means do I think he should be a day 2 pick.

Runner Up: Kareem Martin

The height, length and workout numbers have led some to believe that Martin is the perfect prospect for a team looking for a 4-3 DE. But when you really watch him, you see a guy that struggles to read the action and react. He is a slower mover on the field than you think and he won’t push anyone around. Martin really struggles to make a physical impact on the game and I think he’s a guy that will be doomed for permanent backup duty. Don’t spend a day two pick on that.




NYG Approach:

One look at the current depth chart and one could make the statement that bringing in a new DE to the group is not high on the priority list. I can understand that opinion but lets not forget just how valuable the abundance of pass rushing talent is for a team. That was such a major factor in the Giants past two Super Bowls. This DE class as a whole doesn’t impress me at all outside of the Clowney. A lot of these guys have a lot of potential bust factor to them. Some have glaring size issues and others simply don’t have the speed and/or quick movement ability. With that said, there will be some opportunity to bring in a guy between rounds 3-5 that present good enough value. Defensive End is NOT a position where you want to be thin on the depth chart. It can end up breaking a defense. Without a sense of urgency, NYG can be patient here but somewhere in the draft I think one of these guys should be brought in.
Sy  
SCGiantsFan : 4/23/2014 8:51 am : link
Appreciate the work. it is going to be an interesting draft.
Thanks SY'56, great write-up.  
barens : 4/23/2014 8:52 am : link
Regarding Kareem Martin, I've watched quite a bit of UNC last year, and I'm not saying that I disagree with you, but from the games I watched, he seemed to get better as the season went on. I don't know if that was because the competition got a little easier...when you watch the South Carolina game, then your analysis is spot on, but then he looked like a world beater against Miami.

Needless to say, I'm not sure what to think about him.
barens  
Sy'56 : 4/23/2014 8:54 am : link
I am in the minority with Martin. A lot of people like him and thats fine. The physical tools are there but I just don't see the quick twitch. I think he is a lesser version of what NYG has in Kiwanuka.
Hubbard  
JOMO25 : 4/23/2014 8:56 am : link
is reportedly a difficult guy for coaches to deal with. Very confrontational, huge ego. Bama coaches were elated when he declared for the draft.
My impression of Lynch is that he's just an immature kid  
Curtis in VA : 4/23/2014 9:01 am : link
whose priorities are way out of whack. So much potential there though. I'm kind of hoping the Giants reach for him, though I think a team like the Bengals are going to jump on him.

I would like to see him on this team though, and hope guys like Beason and Rolle can straighten him out.
Sy, thanks as always  
pganut : 4/23/2014 9:02 am : link
Just curious after reading your take on Ealy (I am neither a raving fan nor detractor). The layman's read on the synopsis sounds like what I'd envision a take on JPP to have been as he entered the draft. Do you recall your writeup on JPP, and if there are similarities there?
Good stuff, Sy.  
Klaatu : 4/23/2014 9:07 am : link
What's your take on Boise State's Demarcus Lawrence? More of an OLB in a 3-4? Too many off the field concerns?
Dee Ford...  
2ndroundKO : 4/23/2014 9:09 am : link
will surely go higher than where you have him ranked, no?
Overall a weak DE class  
jeff57 : 4/23/2014 9:17 am : link
Weakest in a while.
Will Clarke  
Motley Blue : 4/23/2014 9:20 am : link
is a guy I asked you about before and noticed you had a higher grade on him then a lot of what I've seen online, projections have been all over the place, but he's does look to be trending upwards.

He also looks like he would fit nicely with the Giants scheme and has earned high marks for his work ethic which could be valuable to add to the Defensive End group.
Ethan Westbrooks  
Mike in NY : 4/23/2014 9:32 am : link
I doubt you watched much of West Texas A&M, but he did catch my eye against better competition in postseason Bowl game(s). More of a wave DE that you take late in the draft or as a FA, but the effort and raw tools are there and, unlike most smaller school DE's, he actually has prototypical size
thanks again Sy  
Victor in CT : 4/23/2014 9:42 am : link
these are great write ups
Ed Stinson, Bama?  
lugnut : 4/23/2014 9:59 am : link
Sy, I gather Stinson doesn't fit our scheme, but what do you think of him anyway?
pganut  
Sy'56 : 4/23/2014 10:07 am : link
Ealy and Pierre Paul were very different college talents. Ealy has much more bulk and power to him than JPP did. I had a borderline first round grade on JPP and said he was likely an all or nothing kind of guy. At the time, I wanted Dez Bryant over JPP and I think I'd still make that trade.
klaatu  
Sy'56 : 4/23/2014 10:09 am : link
Not a huge Lawrence guy for the NYG scheme. I have him graded as a 6th rounder but he will go earlier to a team with the 3-4 and/hybrid front.
2nd round  
Sy'56 : 4/23/2014 10:10 am : link
Yes Dee Ford will go earlier than where I have him. He fits in well with a scheme that NYJ/BAL/TEN/ARI/JAC will run. I think he goes in round 2.
Mike in NY  
Sy'56 : 4/23/2014 10:11 am : link
I have Westbrooks a few looks this year. The size and physicality are there but I have a hard time giving him anything more than a 7th round grade because he wasn't a big time standout against a really low level of competition.
lugnut  
Sy'56 : 4/23/2014 10:14 am : link
I really like Stinson for a few schemes but not NYG. He has a solid power presence and the short area quickness to disrupt things. He is best used as a 5 tech in a 3-4 but in the NYG scheme, I don't see the fit. 7th rounder.
I hope the Gmen really like a DE in this draft  
kmed : 4/23/2014 10:15 am : link
and I'd be all for moving up from our 2nd round pick if one of them drops to the late 1st or early 2nd. OT with pick 1, DE with pick 2 and I'm a happy guy.
Separated at birth:  
Klaatu : 4/23/2014 10:17 am : link
Will Clarke


Rueben Randle
Think Ayers  
bc4life : 4/23/2014 10:25 am : link
may play better than many expect.
Ayers can do everything Tuck can  
kmed : 4/23/2014 10:27 am : link
and hopefully some of the things Tuck couldn't(like get after the QB, especially on 3rd down). The problem is that JPP is in a contract year. I expect him to explode this year and then demand the richest contract of any defensive player. Kiwi is a FA, Moore is an unknown and Ayers is a short term fix. We can really use another young DE.
I have to humbly disagree in regards to Kareem Martin  
sjnyfan : 4/23/2014 10:31 am : link
In his 4 years at UNC, Martin played in two different schemes, for 3 different head coaches and SIX different DL coaches. That's tough for even the greatest of players. The good thing is that his last one was respected veteran DL coach Keith Gilmore. Before this year, Gilmore spent 4 years at Illinois and elevated the games of Whitney Mercilus, Akeem Spence and Corey Liuget before they made the successful transition to the NFL.

Martin said in a recent interview that he watched alot of Panthers' DE's Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy who combined for 26 sacks last year. I think he compares favorably to both and could have a similar career path. Both went later than expected due to some underdevelopment although they had the tools. Johnson was a 3rd rd pick in 2007, Hardy a 6th rd pick in 2010. Both have been incredible values for the Panthers. If we can get Martin in the 3rd I think he would be an incredible value for us by the time his rookie contract is up. Coach Gilmore helped him along in '13 and you saw flashes of what could be, such as a play I saw against BC where he had a strip sack and fumble recovery within the same play, but his tools still needs more refining. With the proper coaching, I think he'll be a double digit sack artist year after year.
Disagree about Crichton...  
PeterS : 4/23/2014 10:58 am : link
saw him maybe 4 times and he made his presence known each time.

Guy I like with one of our 5th rounders is Ben Gardner from Stanford. A street fighter if ever there was one.
Draft Clowney  
nybeast : 4/23/2014 1:38 pm : link
Trade up into the top three to see if he falls. At worst you still have the top OL and WR prospect to select if he is taken ahead of 3.

But I agree with assessment on Clowney. My position is that Lawerence Taylor was as much a factor in the turnaround of the Giants in the 1980s as Eli Manning has been. A generational defensive force could have just a much impact as a franchise quarterback. Clowney is the one defensive prospect that instantly makes me think of Lawerence Taylor. Just an absolute physical specimen and a tenacious player. He would day one be the best DE in the NFC East and he the talent to be a Pro Bowl player year one. Combine him with JPP and the new revamped secondary and you are looking at playoffs without a doubt. And we all know what Eli can do in the playoffs. Just get Eli to the dance, draft Clowney.
Sy'56 . . . I really appreciate the time and effort you take in  
The Duke : 4/23/2014 2:45 pm : link
making these threads available to your BBI brothers. I always find them interesting and informative and look forward to reading each and every one. Good stuff, thanks again!
This draft is 10-15 deep at WR and not much at all at DE.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/23/2014 3:25 pm : link
Crichton seems to be well regarded, but when you watch what limited video is available, nothing pops out at you.
Disagree on Ealy analysis...  
dguy901 : 4/23/2014 4:14 pm : link
He has basically the same tendencies and work-out attributes as JPP. Exception is the 40 time, it looks like he really was dogging it and not really trying. Clowney has incredible potential including the dreaded "BUST" potential. A superior athlete does not necessarily equate to a superior football player. Check-out the 3 cone times for all 3 as well as the disconnect with the broad jump and the vertical jump. Just saying! JMHO.
Sy 56 thanks again  
snickers : 4/23/2014 7:23 pm : link
Sy,
Love these write ups and appreciate all the time and effort that goes into this. Question that I would ask is are you going to write a synopsis of the Giants picks and how you think they will fit in once the choices are known? I value your opinion and I will bet that many here would appreciate your post draft opinions. Thanks again for all you do
snickers  
Sy'56 : 4/23/2014 7:44 pm : link
Absolutely.

What I do at the end of every draft is give a long analysis of each pick and what the rationale behind it may be. In addition, I give who I would have picked at that spot. I make selections based on real time availability of prospects. Its fun to do and look back on a few years from now,
wow!!!!!!!!!!!  
snickers : 4/23/2014 7:52 pm : link
Thanks Sy, really look forward to all of this. Appreciate your effort and I agree it allows all of us to go back and see how we all did. Thanks again for your rapid response.
Did Lynch club baby seals?  
Boy Cord : 4/23/2014 9:18 pm : link
.
Sy, any interest in  
bob in tx : 4/23/2014 9:41 pm : link
James Gayle?
Love your reviews, Sy  
CT Charlie : 4/23/2014 10:00 pm : link
even when I'm not overly interested in the position.
Sy'56  
Marty866b : 4/23/2014 10:04 pm : link
Regarding Westbrooks, I realize that he played at a low level of competition but to say he didn't "standout" is not exactly accurate. He led the country in sacks as a junior with 19 and a half and had 47 tackles for losses in two seasons. I disagree with you here but I love your work on this site.
Sy great stuff but  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/24/2014 6:28 am : link
Did you clear the Clowney review w the Arron Donald crowd. I fear for your safety.
bob in tx  
Sy'56 : 4/24/2014 6:47 am : link
Minimal interest in Gayle. He has been hyped to me so many times but I don't see anything I like about him outside of the effort. I don't think he'll last in the NFL.
Marty  
Sy'56 : 4/24/2014 9:24 am : link
I saw the stats and I am impressed. But I saw 3 games of his and he was pushing guys around like I wanted nor did he play with the speed I think a draft pick needs to play with. He clearly has talent but I just didn't see the consistent domination that I should see at such a low level of competition.
Snickers: Sy'56 posted a retrospective of his picks from 2010-2012...  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/24/2014 12:54 pm : link
...comparing them to the Giants' actual selections. Fun read.

Sy: Maybe you can update this and add the 2013 Draft? I don't recall who you had over Pugh, Hankins, Moore, etc. I'm willing to bet you didn't think of trading up for Ryan Nassib. And if anyone says they had Cooper Taylor in the fifth, I'm calling BS.
Dying is easy. The Draft is hard. - ( New Window )
Actually, I take that back about Taylor.  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/24/2014 12:56 pm : link
Quote:
Cooper Taylor
PeterS : 4/23/2013 2:06 pm : link
S/OLB from Richmond. I've got us taking him in the 5th round.
Holy $#!+.
I can not wait until you get to do wide receivers  
KooKoo4Giants : 4/24/2014 7:01 pm : link
I have been waiting patiently. I hope you break down multiple players for each round instead of just one. It is a major need for us!
I'd be willing to take a chance on Aaron Lynch, but his body  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 4/24/2014 7:24 pm : link
is so different than what it was in 2011. Who knows if he can ever regain that form?
I'd take a shot at Lynch  
chris r : 4/25/2014 1:06 am : link
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Lynch weighs 260 now if I recall.  
Curtis in VA : 4/25/2014 7:06 am : link
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That draft comparison article is great.  
Curtis in VA : 4/25/2014 7:11 am : link
Can we get Marc Ross fired and have Sy brought in?
Why not Barr as a DE?  
SB : 4/25/2014 11:19 am : link
He's the bigger than Moore (and Robert Mathis for that matter). He would wreak havoc as an edge rusher. I don't get all this "he's a 3-4 OLB only" stuff. I think he'd be great with his hand on the dirt.
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