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Some Eric Ebron Love

NYBEN : 4/23/2014 10:10 am
I know we all have our favorites for the #12 pick, whether it's Donald, Lewan, Evans or Ebron. Before draft day rolls around there will be 100's of threads on all of these players and many more.Personally I like Ebron, sure he has weaknesses but his strengths can be a huge weapon for our offense. And those strengths far out weigh the weaknesses. Let's be honest a case can be made for or against any of these players but to me we need impact players on offense and Ebron can be that.
Ebron can be our Jimmy Graham - ( New Window )
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Uconn  
NYBEN : 4/23/2014 10:40 am : link
agreed...but can you agree that he is the best TE in this draft and has the most upside. The weaknesses this guy has can be coached up.
Mike in NY  
NYBEN : 4/23/2014 10:41 am : link
I think some of the scouts and "experts" are watching different film than you are.
link - ( New Window )
RE: Mike in NY  
Mike in NY : 4/23/2014 10:43 am : link
In comment 11634213 NYBEN said:
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I think some of the scouts and "experts" are watching different film than you are. link - ( New Window )


I have no problem differing from "scouts" and "experts." None of us are always right. If the draft was a science any schlub could do it
Quote from article  
NYBEN : 4/23/2014 10:44 am : link
"Not only able to get separation through sharp route running, Ebron possesses top-end playing speed and can run by defenders on seam and post routes. There are many athletic tight ends playing college football, but few show the courage and fearlessness to catch passes in traffic. It is interesting that for a player who doesn't always maintain concentration on the field, he does consistently catch passes in traffic, take hard hits after the catch and hold onto the ball."
Derek Brown  
Fish : 4/23/2014 10:44 am : link
2.0
Mike in NY  
NYBEN : 4/23/2014 10:47 am : link
agreed ..no one knows who will be great and who will flame out.You roll the dice and hope for the best. Hell Ebron could be the next Derek Brown.
sure  
UConn4523 : 4/23/2014 10:48 am : link
he probably is the best TE, but again, it doesn't matter. Even if he was better then the TE's last year, or Fleener, it isn't by much, and we passed on those guys much later.

We aren't taking Ebron.
no thanks. he's a prancer. soft. can't block  
Victor in CT : 4/23/2014 10:49 am : link
not worth that pick with so many other needs
Donald is soft vs. the run?!? LOL  
SB : 4/23/2014 10:50 am : link
Almost half of his tackles were behind the LOS. Seriously Hutch, where do you get this stuff from?
FYI  
NYBEN : 4/23/2014 10:50 am : link
I agree with those of you that said trust your board and go BPA. Though I think Lewan may slip because of the off field stuff .
Victor  
NYBEN : 4/23/2014 10:53 am : link
I suggest you read the links I posted ..they may change your opinion or help you to form a more informed opinion
IMO, Ebron is a less athletic Coby Fleener  
SB : 4/23/2014 10:57 am : link
Late first rounder at best.
NYBEN  
Mike in NY : 4/23/2014 10:57 am : link
Did you ever consider maybe the people you linked need to be more informed or have their opinion changed? Ebron is not even my highest rated TE and I think we can get more value by taking Troy Niklas (who I like more than Ebron) on Day 2 or taking someone like Marcel Jensen (a really underrated TE) on Day 3
i would have no problem with Ebron  
GiantsFan84 : 4/23/2014 10:58 am : link
and west coast offenses typically need better tight ends than this team has
All the draft gurus on NFLN like Jeremiah, Davis, Casserly etc.....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 4/23/2014 11:11 am : link
....LOVE Ebron! I'll take that over the arm chair experts on BBI any day.
regardless of the offense  
UConn4523 : 4/23/2014 11:12 am : link
you need to block in the NFL. Everyone on here is already freaking out about Beatty and what will happen at LT; if a highly rated OL is available that HAS to be the pick, unless they are in love with Donald.

I really don't see any other option at this point. We simply aren't winning with a sub-par o-line. It's as clear as day.
RE: All the draft gurus on NFLN like Jeremiah, Davis, Casserly etc.....  
Mike in NY : 4/23/2014 11:14 am : link
In comment 11634279 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....LOVE Ebron! I'll take that over the arm chair experts on BBI any day.


If they were any good why are they not employed by NFL teams?
RE: All the draft gurus on NFLN like Jeremiah, Davis, Casserly etc.....  
UConn4523 : 4/23/2014 11:15 am : link
In comment 11634279 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....LOVE Ebron! I'll take that over the arm chair experts on BBI any day.


Haha, ohh please. You think these guys only report what they see? Its a business, the networks are a business. These guys are paid to talk up every player with a 1st round grade. Their opinion means absolutely nothing to me, and probably even less to Reese.

Sure, some of these guys were former players and scouts, but you still need to take their opinions with a huge grain of salt.
Donald  
PaulN : 4/23/2014 11:26 am : link
Made plays behind the line dominating guards that my grandmother could dominate, they were not NFL guards, here they are bigger, more athletic, they know how to handle speed rushers with one great move easily, his skills do not translate to greatness on this level at all. Plus at his size he will get killed against the power run game. If he could move to DE on run downs, and hold the point of attack there, then be moved inside or along the line for passing downs, then he could become a very good player, but he is no sure shot at all, you people are insane and clueless. Once again, Sue, who was bigger, and quicker and dominated on the college level even more, has not dominated this level, the difference is that Sue is big enough to hold the point of attack, is Donald, no is that answer, he beats people with his first move for the most part, taking advantage of lesser quality players.

Ebron has a chance to be a very good tight end, is he Grahme, no, not at all, nor is he Vernon Davis, but he has the tools needed to become a good tight end, does that mean you grab him at 12, no, not at all.
Let's be honest  
NYBEN : 4/23/2014 11:27 am : link
guys ...they all speculate just like we are. It's just a fun debate, like I said we all have our favorites but only JR and TC know how they feel about any player.
I get why people like Ebron  
Lionhart28 : 4/23/2014 11:30 am : link
but I am not among them. I don't see any rare skills that warrant a selection that high. You don't take him even though he may be the best TE in draft because the 4th ranked OT, or #2nd ranked WR is a better player. A way better player. If Donald, Lewan, Evans, Martin, CK, even Ha Ha is there and we take Ebron, total remote thrower for me.
Ummm....let's see.....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 4/23/2014 11:32 am : link
....whose opinion on personnel should I value more? Charlie Casserly's (who won three Super Bowl championships as a GM) or a BBI fill in the name armchair expert?

RE: Ummm....let's see.....  
UConn4523 : 4/23/2014 11:36 am : link
In comment 11634326 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....whose opinion on personnel should I value more? Charlie Casserly's (who won three Super Bowl championships as a GM) or a BBI fill in the name armchair expert?


We aren't armchair experts. We are going off of Reese's history. He didn't pick Fleener at 32....32! He passed on both guys last year at 19. What makes you think Ebron is at the top of our list at 12, a premium pick?

None of us are saying Ebron sucks. We are saying his likely impact doesn't translate to 12 overall, especially when we won't be able to protect Eli properly if we do take him.

If that makes me an armchair expert, than so be it.
opinions vary on all these guys....  
Torrag : 4/23/2014 11:37 am : link
for people to voice them in absolutes is stopid...'I guarantee he'll be a bust...he's the next jimmy graham...etc...

personally I don't see a top 12 pick ...more like 20-25 imo. He's got inconsistent hands and needs a lot of development as a blocker. Self confidence is good but there are murmurs he takes it too far. We'll know what the Giants think in a couple weeks. The draft can't get here soon enough.
What's funny/odd  
NYBEN : 4/23/2014 11:47 am : link
to me is I have not seen one draft guru or former scout or website mock draft that has him out of the first 20 pick. He is listed as the top TE everywhere that you look. But somehow on BBI.."he's not the best TE in the draft"..."he's not a first round pick" .."he's soft and can't catch or block".
guys rise and fall all the time  
UConn4523 : 4/23/2014 12:15 pm : link
and mocks are going to have the sole guy at a position ranked at a premium, especially to teams that lack players at the position.

But mocks don't take history of a team into an account. I've never read "Jerry Reese historically doesn't take TE's high" which is not only a true statement, but one any of these "experts" should know. They should all know we passed on guys rated just as high yet they don't. Hard for me to take any of them seriously.
I'm not so sure that Ebron is the best TE  
mrvax : 4/23/2014 12:16 pm : link
in this draft class either when you consider all aspects of an NFL TE.

Even if he is, he's a second round talent similar to Fleener.
It would be a shame if the Giants were so desperate for a TE they took him with the #12 pick.
RE: I'm not so sure that Ebron is the best TE  
ImaGiant86 : 4/23/2014 12:23 pm : link
In comment 11634410 mrvax said:
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in this draft class either when you consider all aspects of an NFL TE.

Even if he is, he's a second round talent similar to Fleener.
It would be a shame if the Giants were so desperate for a TE they took him with the #12 pick.


He's a lot better than Fleener. I heavily studied Fleener that year and honestly favored Dwayne Allen and thought he'd be the better value for us in round 2.

At first watching Ebron I wasn't sold, I had some initial doubts on his blocking and overall toughness. I went back and watched some of his clips again, including the Miami game this time, and I would love to have him on the team. I don't know if 12 is the spot (BPA) I'm willing to do it at (trade back to mid teens), but I can see why others are excited at the prospect of having a dynamic TE who has Pro-Bowl potential.
I think 12 is too high  
Randy in CT : 4/23/2014 12:30 pm : link
for both him and Evans. There. I said it.
Ebron  
Hades07 : 4/23/2014 12:37 pm : link
Is not big enough nor athletic enough to create mismatches. Every team has at least one LBer or Safety that could match him. Add his over 10% drop rate and you are looking at a player who will disappoint you in the NFL. He would be a decent 2nd TE for a team that needs a receiver there.
If Ebron sitting there at # 12  
nicky43 : 4/23/2014 12:42 pm : link
I HOPE we pass on him. He's not the best TE in the draft and therefore would likely not be the best value on the board at the time. Also, the state of our O-Line (even after the FA) requires we address that with the number 1 pick.

Use the pick wisely and get a starting Offensive Guard.
micky, going your  
Randy in CT : 4/23/2014 12:45 pm : link
route sure isn't smart. At 12 you go BPA at a position that isn't already flooded with players. Upgrade your team at 12.
The interesting  
AnishPatel : 4/23/2014 12:45 pm : link
thing is how he would do within the confines of our own system. If they want to put a safety on him, good. That means a sky safety, leaving a single high there. I would trust Cruz to run a single high beater. I want to say RR, but I don't trust him fully until I see him.

It depends on the formations we use but I think EE would be productive for us.
RE: Ebron  
NYBEN : 4/23/2014 12:45 pm : link
In comment 11634445 Hades07 said:
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Is not big enough nor athletic enough to create mismatches. Every team has at least one LBer or Safety that could match him. Add his over 10% drop rate and you are looking at a player who will disappoint you in the NFL. He would be a decent 2nd TE for a team that needs a receiver there.


Most scouting reports describe him as "freakishly athletic" hi is listed at 6'4" 250lbs with room to grow. Not sure what scouting report you read or where/how you formed your opinion but it is contrary to every report that is out there.
Eric Ebron  
SB : 4/23/2014 12:47 pm : link
6' 4"
250 lbs
4.6 40
Junion Year - 62 catches, 973 yards, 3 TDs

Travis Beckum
6' 3"
243 lbs
4.6 40
Junior Year - 75 catches, 982 yards, 6 TDs

...Just sayin'
RE: If Ebron sitting there at # 12  
NYBEN : 4/23/2014 12:50 pm : link
In comment 11634461 nicky43 said:
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I HOPE we pass on him. He's not the best TE in the draft and therefore would likely not be the best value on the board at the time. Also, the state of our O-Line (even after the FA) requires we address that with the number 1 pick.

Use the pick wisely and get a starting Offensive Guard.


The chances of a guard being taken at 12 is less than 0.The hope is that we can move up in the 2nd and take Yankey .I don't think he will be there if we stay put with our 2nd rounder.
BEN  
Hades07 : 4/23/2014 12:53 pm : link
Mr. SB there gave you the perfect comparison to Mr. Ebron. He and Beckum were very much the same player in college. I am OK with everyone disagreeing with me, but Ebron is being very overrated in this draft and I can't figure out why. He is not special in any objective way. He's play on the field is good, but not outstanding or even very consistent. He is a receiving TE who struggles to catch the ball. He can't or maybe he doesn't block so he is one dimensional and not all that great at the dimension. He didn't put up workout numbers that can allow you to ignore his lackluster on the field performance. His numbers were like his play, good not great. He isn't even a freakishly big guy, he is about average sized for a TE. This is a player that should be, but won't be, a 4th round pick.
We could get ONE weapon in Ebron  
SwirlingEddie : 4/23/2014 12:53 pm : link
or pick a great addition to the OL and get FOUR offensive impact players back because of it: Eli, Cruz, Randle and (insert RB here).

Just another way to look at it.
RE: BEN  
NYBEN : 4/23/2014 12:59 pm : link
In comment 11634486 Hades07 said:
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Mr. SB there gave you the perfect comparison to Mr. Ebron. He and Beckum were very much the same player in college. I am OK with everyone disagreeing with me, but Ebron is being very overrated in this draft and I can't figure out why. He is not special in any objective way. He's play on the field is good, but not outstanding or even very consistent. He is a receiving TE who struggles to catch the ball. He can't or maybe he doesn't block so he is one dimensional and not all that great at the dimension. He didn't put up workout numbers that can allow you to ignore his lackluster on the field performance. His numbers were like his play, good not great. He isn't even a freakishly big guy, he is about average sized for a TE. This is a player that should be, but won't be, a 4th round pick.


Please see the links I provided.No disrespect to you or Mr.SB but to say that Ebron and Beckum are the same player ...that's just inaccurate.
You are right  
Hades07 : 4/23/2014 1:01 pm : link
Beckum didn't drop as many passes, so that is not fair to him.
I think I'll change my handle to ''Mr. SB''  
SB : 4/23/2014 1:02 pm : link
I kinda like that.
RE: I think I'll change my handle to ''Mr. SB''  
NYBEN : 4/23/2014 1:07 pm : link
In comment 11634512 SB said:
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I kinda like that.


MR.SB42?
The bad thing about getting excited for a draft prospect  
81_Great_Dane : 4/23/2014 1:17 pm : link
is that even in the first round -- hell, even near the top of the first round -- there's a pretty high bust rate, and an even higher rate of guys who don't live up to their draft position. So if you fall in love with a guy there's a pretty good chance he'll break your heart.

On the other hand, the great thing about being skeptical about a prospect is... exactly the same thing. Any given prospect is more likely to disappoint than become a Pro Bowler or HOFer -- and for early first-round draft picks, anything short of that is, by definition, a disappointment.

So it's easy to rag on Ebron or Lewan or Donald or anybody else, and odds are, you'll be right. Lewan is more likely to be the next Robert Gallery than the next Jumbo Elliott. I enjoy playing that game, too; it's fun. But the Giants are gonna have to pick somebody. We fans need to hope that they find more guys who overdeliver their draft position, guys like Rich Seubert and Victor Cruz and Ahmad Bradshaw and yes, even David Diehl in his prime.
Mr. Dane....  
Hades07 : 4/23/2014 1:27 pm : link
...I concur. I usually try to avoid strong opinions one way or another on players in the draft, before the draft. Mostly because the odds of that player actually being picked by the Giants is slim. Occasionally though, there is a player that I can't avoid it. Either because I was so excited about him or I just don't see a player in him. I have gotten this way about Ebron, who knows if I am right. It hasn't happened enough times to say, hey look at my track record. And you are correct, odds are better for me in that instance anyway.
RE: Mr. Dane....  
NYBEN : 4/23/2014 2:12 pm : link
In comment 11634576 Hades07 said:
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...I concur. I usually try to avoid strong opinions one way or another on players in the draft, before the draft. Mostly because the odds of that player actually being picked by the Giants is slim. Occasionally though, there is a player that I can't avoid it. Either because I was so excited about him or I just don't see a player in him. I have gotten this way about Ebron, who knows if I am right. It hasn't happened enough times to say, hey look at my track record. And you are correct, odds are better for me in that instance anyway.


Bottom line is ..if the Giants take him or anyone else when kickoff 2014 gets here we will ALL be huge fans of whoever it is. Once it's done it's done they're one of us and we will cheer them on.
I like him  
RD : 4/23/2014 2:16 pm : link
but I like OL for this team far more (and not Lewan)
I will root for the Giants....  
Hades07 : 4/23/2014 2:18 pm : link
...but they have had some players that I struggled to root for, for various reasons. Shockey and Collins for example. If the Giants draft Ebron though, I will root for him. Nothing against the guy, I'd hate the pick, but I will be rooting for being wrong and he turns into Kellen Winslow. Because ultimately being right gets me nothing, don't get kicks from the "I told you sos".
RE: I will root for the Giants....  
NYBEN : 4/23/2014 2:43 pm : link
In comment 11634686 Hades07 said:
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...but they have had some players that I struggled to root for, for various reasons. Shockey and Collins for example. If the Giants draft Ebron though, I will root for him. Nothing against the guy, I'd hate the pick, but I will be rooting for being wrong and he turns into Kellen Winslow. Because ultimately being right gets me nothing, don't get kicks from the "I told you sos".


Kellen Winslow SR of course
Distiction isn't really necessary  
Hades07 : 4/23/2014 2:57 pm : link
There was Kellen Winslow and then that pile of rubbish that was related to him. Though I see more of that pile of rubbish in Ebron than I see Winslow. Though the rubbish had significantly more talent than Ebron.
If you don't like Ebron  
jLefty : 4/23/2014 4:51 pm : link
what's the matter with Amaro?Just think we desperately need another receiver threat.Get an LT in two or vice-a-versa.
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