Looking through my game breakdowns I found the formation sheets of the GB-Giants playoff game. I know I am curious to see the full house formation used where we can utilize 2 FBs lead blocking. I am intrigued with that for goal line and short yardage situations.
Here is the formation sheet the packers used that night. Also, I have a few running plays and passing plays we may see as well.
I am interested in seeing the formations we use and what concepts we install week to week in passing and running game. It actually is good for me to because I want to compare this new offense to our old offense and pinpoint how many aspects of it can change.
Below I have running concepts we used throughout the years in this past system. After that, I have the formations used against us by GB, and some running plays they have used. They ran mostly zone but going by Snee, I wonder if we add more of that. We ran zone at times too in our old system, though it was no where near a staple in our system.
Next, I included some passing concepts used which I liked.
Eli expects offense to be similar to Green Bay after seeing the playbook this week. 'It's Ben McAdoo's offense' #giants |
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Chris Snee says everything is new on offense from terminology to run concepts. Haven't even gotten to passing game yet #giants |
Running concepts we used for nearly 10 years.
Thanks
It's a lot of work breaking down an offense.
If we can install any of those formations specifically where have 2 FBs in the backfield, I like the possibilities. Also, it doesn't always have to be 2 FBs. We can have a TE there as well, and release him.
One play I liked which they used against us is the two verticals and 2 horizontal stretch flat routes with 4 running a hitch. Give Eli options and low risk ones where he can dump the ball and let the players make plays.
Even the zone was very cool to see where you can ISO play side and the other FB ran it backside ISO, where the RB can read and decide if he wanted to run zone kick backside. Some of the things were cool to see and I would love that in our offense.
We used to run it from power I. FB Isos playside, power back to the backside DE and kick him out. The A could read the frontside and if it was congested, just cut back to backside C gap, knowing it should be open.
It's a guess, but I think we may see less of our running concepts where players are pulling. I think we may add more zone concepts to our running game. We wouldn't be classified as a ZBS or zone team so to speak. I'd be surprised if we went that route, but I do think we will see a lot more zone.
I think install of formations is something to keep an eye on. For example, do we see multiple backs in the backfield at once? So in this case, I am looking to see if we add a full house formation to our system. I really love that formations and things you can do with it in terms of running the ball and evening using play action in short yardage and goal line situations.
That's what Dorgan and I were speaking of.
The one player who I thought of running this concept was Bradshaw with the use of his good vision and balance to hit the gap he thought would succeed. I admire his ability to create something out of nothing.
We used to run zone and zone kick in our system. I loved zone kick because the flow would be left or right, but the defenses needed to keep backside gap integrity because we had the option of calling zone kick with the same look based on what we saw upstairs.
If Wilson can stay healthy, I'd be very curious to see how a back like that can execute that concept. If the backside of the play falls apart and if he sees that I do love that speed accelerating and getting to the next level.
I guess the biggest question is if our OL can be trusted in run blocking.
Those seem like good logical, exciting concepts that can put our backfield in a position to succeed, but as you mention we'll have to see what this unit's blocking looks like.
And Anish cheers to this new offense. I think we're going to see what we've been hoping and dreaming, and clamming for for years out of Eli & this O's operation.
There may be a bit more pulling and zone blocking schemes, and we may see some different running plays to set up play action but we are basically going to see the plays we have always seen. That's Giants football.
I think Coughlin will preach balance, which we will, but overall, that's one thing I want to see. I want to see the running concepts and passing concepts we utilize. I will compare it to what we ran and see what stays the same and what changes.
I want to see if the change in terminology means less stupid delay of game penalties. That's the great part and intriguing part of hiring Ben M. We can go by what he was brought up in and now see what changes he makes. The fact he is eliminating the body language issue to eliminate miscommunications between Eli and the skill players is huge. What else is next? What else is he adding? That's what makes this off season the most exciting in a long time.
It's a guess, but I am curious to see if we run less running concepts where we pull players such as G, power G, and center. Does that mean more zone and ISO and Leads? That's what I really want to focus on. I will start in pre season and try to keep tabs during the season.
I really don't believe Eli's that oblivious to the clock.
Yeah running the clock down was important to get a pre snap read. Moreover, defenses won't show until the clock started going down. It could have been terminology too.
However, I felt at times it could have been the play coming in and Eli trying to direct a 1,000 things from protection, and motion. It was funny to see him go nuts when he saw the clock going down.
Maybe now we say move more up tempo. That's something I want to see as well, which it was good you reminded me, because I forgot about that. I want to see if those damn delay of games occur again. Thanks, that's something I want to track as well.
We ran bits of zone here and there. I remember one off of the top of my head because we scored a TD off it with Jacobs in 2008.
You're not going to be running zone all the time but some concepts. That's aspect I wish I could be privy too. I would have loved to be in the offensive coaches meetings as the new playbook was being put together. That would have been an awesome thing to sit in and hear everything going on.
That's my initial guess. Pre-season, especially game 3, is when I would want to see how many types of different running plays we add. I want to chart formations and types of routes and running plays in the pre season just to see what could be in the base offense. Once the games start then I will see what we are adding to it week to week team specific vs what constant plays we are using because we feel we can excel at it.
Right now I am just guessing to what could be added based on what GB ran. We kept 2 FBs which people thought was unusual. However, does that mean we want to run a full house formation with Hyno and Connor? Both lead blocking for jennings would be great to see. So is this a training camp battle OR are we keeping both? Stuff like that I can only guess on and want to see what happens as the months go by.
A lot of screen plays
And sounded like we werent
Very good at it and will
Be spending lots of time
On them. Eli being out
Or limited will hurt us.
If tc keeps eli out of
PS games he wont be ready
for lions...I see that game
A mess for new O.
Hope D Plays good.
would be interesting to see the Rogers twist on the offense
would be interesting to see the Rogers twist on the offense
No since tv went digital, I can't seem to VHS entire games anymore. VHSing games makes it easier because there is super slow motion where you can see what's going on clearer than recorded games on DVR.
From what I watched live on tv though, they added stuff but some of the same formations were still there. I never recorded or VHSed their games after that because I never thought our system would ever change.
In any case, I am all for 'no projects' in early rounds, however, late round and UDFA running backs and tight ends may yield some players for such roles as above, i.e. to play in that stack, fullback, pass pro, catching passes out of it and etc.
for example, you look for value, a TE that dropped on 'too short' or a good all around smart football wise larger RB that 'lacks top end pull away speed, that extra gear' but can catch
antonio andrews 5'10" 225 (7/>UDFA<)
''STRENGTHS: Possesses a legitimate NFL frame and due to a surprisingly smooth upper body, still has the potential for additional 5-10 pounds of sculpting. Good vision and patience as a runner, considering his past at quarterback. Presses the hole when it is there but shows an impressive shoulder-dip and slide hesitation move to freeze defenders before cutting laterally. Deceptive burst and accelerates to top speed quickly to throw off defenders' angles. Accelerates into would-be tacklers head on, lowering his shoulder and using his free hand to ward them off with a strong stiff-arm. Above average balance, especially for a big back. Can absorb a shot to his upper or lower body (especially straight-on) and while he may be knocked back for a split-second, often is able to gather himself and push forward for additional yardage, breaking free, on occasion. Good awareness as a receiver. Recognize when his quarterback is in trouble and will either continue or shorten his route as necessary to provide an outlet option. Reliable hands as a kick returner and shows good vision to set up his blocks. WEAKNESSES: Very much a north-south downhill defender, who isn't nearly as effective when running laterally at the line of scrimmage. Tops-out quickly and does not possess the speed to beat NFL defenders to the edge or pull away in the open field. While he can absorb a shot and remain upright, does not possess elite balance, too often being forced to gather himself with a shuffle that Sun Belt Conference defenders may not be quick enough to capitalize on but NFL tacklers could... COMPARES TO: Rashad Jennings, Oakland Raiders - Jennings has quietly carved out a solid career for himself in the NFL after starring at Liberty and I wouldn't be surprised to see Andrews do the same. He's not an elite athlete but has good size and has a varied and valued skill-set. --Rob Rang ''
(or just as a rb)