NFT: 2 | New York Yankees vs. Boston Red Sox - 23/04 Weds. Ed.

in Alex Wilson, who is just here for the day and will return to AAA tomorrow to make way for Shane Victorino.

Why the hell is Gardy in RF? That's a complete waste of his talents. Put Soriano out there, for crying out loud

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In comment 11635147 BigBlueShock said:

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Why the hell is Gardy in RF? That's a complete waste of his talents. Put Soriano out there, for crying out loud

At Fenway, RF has a hell of a lot more ground than LF.

You're right. Brain fart on my part. I apologize for my ignorance. I had visions of Yankee Stadium dancing in my head for some reason

you want a guy with CF range playing RF at Fenway. And you can hide a defensive liability in LF so long as they learn how to play the carom off the wall.

for Fenway. I'd stick the 3B with the best cannon (all other things being equal) out in that spot. That wall sure is a doubles killer.

you don't need to play LF deep, for a horrible defensive player in a typical outfield Manny Ramirez actually got to be really good at judging the plays off the wall letting him cut down anything hit shallow in front of him.

who fouled off ball 4.

bring him home boys

he sure looked like he knew what he was doing out there on Sizemore's triple....

out of position regardless of their talent.

That said, I don't think Beltran will ever want to play in RF in Fenway again.

1-0

first blood, 1-0

for that triple. sizemore is fast.

night.

around the bases last night. maybe he needed a wheelchair?

just to the wrong part of the ballpark

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with that hypodermic needle sticking outta his ass.

yesterday's game in reverse today. this sucks.

I'll take it. Lift one to the OF Carp, bring the run home

they like. should just rename the team boston homeless.

plunked next time they're at the Stadium.

pitch count it getting worked good though

uggh.

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going to his left is absolutely terrible

Scores another run. Sox are killing us with bloop singles.

it's a lot more fun on this side of the game, now you guys are feeling my pain from last night

BTW, I think Lackey's face should be the official logo of the Red Sox. That's exactly the kind of face I think of when it comes to that franchise and it's fanbase.

painful, it's just a little annoying.

is all boston gets today. we should get some runs against lackey. he isn't very good.

Now, time to beat up on the dead beat, mouth breathing piece of shit.

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no one will convince me otherwise. I love him but I won't miss him on anything hit up the middle. He is absolutely terrible.

not the 2014 cy young award winner. let's go.

chop quick like, get Pineda back out there and ratchet up the pitch count

Embarrassing, though Teix got umped.

Gardner striking out on a pitch out of the zone! Brutal start.

Time for Pineda to amp up and get the pine-tar.

that inning. No grinding. Swinging at balls.

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dude does not understand how to hide grip aides

Pine tar all over pinedas neck. Pretty funny.

Joe G is going to be dialed into the HD cameras every time Laptops or Lester gets a start.

has a lot of balls doing stuff like this when many of his pitchers have been proven to cheat. Girardi needs to tell the guy coming out of the pen to throw right at the back of Ortiz

terrible by pineda to be so blatant about it.

only in this rivalry.

are the most hypocritical franchise in all of sports.

must be an idiot to think he could get away with that again.

you just have to not be so freakin obvious about it. I'm surprised he's thrown out, just wipe it off and go about your business knowing not to do it again that game. Lesson learned.

What can Farrell do when it is so ----ing blatant?

in a world series game, Farrell has a lot of balls. Every single time Lester or Buchholz pitches I'm having them checked. All bets are off now.

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this was discussed ad nauseum last game he faced the sox so why would u go and do the same crap as last time knowing full well what the consequences could be?

Just ignore it again? It was so obvious...

Fucking Lester and the RAM Burgler do it all the fuck time. Fuck the Red Sox and their hypocritical fucking fans and franchise. Such fuckig bullshit.

because he's 1-4 against the Yanks this season. And it's a way to get a pitcher thrown out who pretty much dominated his team a couple weeks ago. Butt-sore.

blatantly use it and have in the past yes he should ignore it. Especially when your pitcher blatantly did it in a fucking world series game too

I'd be choked if I was a Sox pitcher.

when his own fucking pitchers do the same shit. They're just better at hiding it. Great. You're better than the Yankees at cheating. Wonderful.

Drill Shrek right in his fucking neck.

Kenny Rogers was even more blatant in a WS game.

between innings.

so this was something he needed to do.

don't see that often.

not high.

transients.

and they can go out and terrorize lackey.

why Pineda with oven mits for hands can't grip the ball without some tar.

You know, for all the crap hitters have taken for using ______, some leaguewide turnabout is fair play might be in order.

the umpire check the pitcher every single inning for the rest of the series if I'm Girardi. The only reason Farrell didn't check last game was because he knew his pitcher was doing the same thing that night, as Buchholz always does.

It's something that guys do most of the time and the managers know it. This is not going to end well for Farrell, blatant or not shouldn't matter. He knows his guys are doing it, if he doesn't he's a clueless fuck

every

fucking

inning.

and applied it to the ball.

Check his gum.

to check Ortiz for the roids he so obviously uses?

Farrell told Lackey to double and triple check his shit before or at least after he left the dugout.

Fucking hypocrites

but honestly, pitchers use "foreign substances" almost every pitch.

I can't believe the gorilla balls on their manager.

Gets found with child porn. I fucking hate him.

fastball? i don't get this.

Hope he did that on purpose.

Lackey doesn't appear to have anything special tonight, just throwing the same pitch over and over. Stupid move by Pineda, by the way.

92 mph fastballs. Thats what Leiter used to call "hitting speed."

you can't ignore something that blatant. It's a nationally televised game. He's not stupid, he knows that will be repaid in spades when Lester and Buchholz are on the mound.

9k's in 3 innings pitched so far.

In comment 11635310 napoleon said:

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Gets found with child porn. I fucking hate him.

That would more likely be "Pedey's" brother.

Farrell would know better than to have guys checked when he has Lester and Buchholz as 40% of his rotation. This is not going to end well for the Red Sox, these guys aren't going to get away with the stuff they have for years now. It's kind of an unwritten rule not to check guys. It doesn't matter if its blatant, they know when guys are doing it and can have them checked whenever, but most managers never even consider it because they knew their guys are doing it too.

In comment 11635310 napoleon said:

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Gets found with child porn. I fucking hate him.

What?!

Settle down. Take a fuckin lap.

the pious Red Sox are protecting the sanctity of our great game of baseball. Fucking clowns.

is beyond bad. Jesus christ

Come the Fuck on.

Farrell was absolutely in a tough spot. Particularly since he was harassed by his ignorant fanbase/media all week following the last pine far episode as to why he did nothing about it. We all know why he did nothing, but their fans and Boston media can't seem to grasp that their lovable grinders would ever do something similar. Even with evidence to the contrary

In comment 11635322 bceagle05 said:

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the pious Red Sox are protecting the sanctity of our great game of baseball. Fucking clowns.

No player who wears that uniform has ever done anything wrong or cheated. Just ask SOSH.

ball 2 to Ortiz was strike three.

if you're discreet about it? Cheating is cheating. Farrell's explanation is fucking bullshit, was Lester discreet about it in the world series last year?

Farrell is going to regret this. I bet Lester and Buchholz are not very happy with him, because he crossed a line that you shouldn't cross and now his guys are going to be checked, and its not just going to be the Yankees checking them

he painted the corner there, I agree.

them? They have a history of not. They let Kenny Rogers beat them in the playoffs cause they wouldn't have his hat checked. Kenny Rogers.

if the Tigers had their guys checked you can bet your ass they would have had Rodgers checked.

Farrell crossed the line, now all bets are off.

Along with Jeter

much every team has a history of not checking guys. Everyone knows its used often, but Farrell for some unknown reason decided he needed to have Pineda checked.

Fucking clown ballpark with the stands basically right on top of the foul line

pulled up because he didnt want to go flying into the stands. I don't blame him, if this ballpark wasn't such a joke he wouldn't have to worry about that.

Gardner is a great outfielder and also playing right field which he rarely ever does. Jeter is pretty pathetic routinely at short

drive one kid

just about anyone else on third and that might've been enough for a run

In comment 11635310 napoleon said:

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Gets found with child porn. I fucking hate him.

That's pretty messed up and not something to joke about.

On wild pitches/passed balls.

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too according the PFX.

struck out on strike FIVE.

Ignore that Bellichik and Brady only won because they stole signals and that Ortiz is juiced out of his mind. There have also been allegations that the Sox steal signs from their cameras in CF. So to anyone with a sliver of knowledge, this Farrell thing is the epitome of hypocritic comedy. Lulz.

Couldn't expect much different from the most butt-hurt consortium of fans assembled, the N.E. fans.

accident or not, it'd be nice to see someone drill Ortiz in the ass.

a lot of whining in this thread.. and I'm a Yankees fan

he grounds out with two on.

Fuck. Fuck fuckity fuck ass.

My sister has more power in her swing.

In comment 11635395 Mr. Nickels said:

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a lot of whining in this thread.. and I'm a Yankees fan

Well, most people with a pulse don't like to get screwed by someone that has done the very same thing countless times themselves.

Shocking, eh?

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solid work, 8 Ks and counting.

In comment 11635400 Dave in Hoboken said:

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In comment 11635395 Mr. Nickels said: Quote: a lot of whining in this thread.. and I'm a Yankees fan Well, most people with a pulse don't like to get screwed by someone that has done the very same thing countless times themselves. Shocking, eh?

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In comment 11635395 Mr. Nickels said:

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a lot of whining in this thread.. and I'm a Yankees fan

Fucking Red Sox bring out the worst in all of us.

is that I can just see this offense folding and letting that piece of shit deadbeat continue to look like Cy Young. Hopefully they can wake the fuck up.

In comment 11635394 Dunedin81 said:

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accident or not, it'd be nice to see someone drill Ortiz in the ass.

Yankees inexplicably never throw at Ortiz. IIRC, YES or some other station had a stat that Ortiz had only 1 HBP in his entire time as a Red Sox vs. the Yankees.

Hate how the Yankees don't throw at guys and let the other teams get away with murder.

That fat bastard is a big enough target.

basically begged them to do it one series. When they did it, it was so blatantly obvious it was going to happen, it was a fucking joke. Even the the roid donkey laughed when it happened.

So tired of the Yankees not growing a pair and throwing at other teams when they hit Yankee players. Thought that bullshit was supposed to stop when Torre's soft ass left but, apparently not.

Some shitty at-bats tonight, though.

I don't understand why he doesn't get drilled more often. Takes three less pitches than the intentional walk.

for some ridiculous reason.

from Claiborne.

pitching well. I was hoping he would work his way into the 7th inning on a regular basis.

the horseshoe or leprechaun or rabbits foot or whatever Cherington stuck up his ass last year seems to be doing the opposite in 2014.

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In comment 11635430 Tittle 9 20 64 said:

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....for a person who looks like the Florida Evans with a penis.

blowing around Fenway tonight.

too.

mission accomplished.

Buncha fucking hypocritical crybabies. More unlikable than the fucking Eagles.

HR becomes a single.

will have something special for just the right moment. It will be glorious.

For now, let's come back and win this.

We're not done yet.

from Jeter there. He looks like he needs to be rested a little more often.

my skin crawl.

stealing signs for him in Toronto would cry about another team doing something. Douche.

he doesn't fit the team profile at all. He doesn't look like he would know how to weiner-roast a live chicken.

Johnson decides to throw it when Bogaerts was at first by the time he picked up the ball.

Steal Headley Cash.

In comment 11635459 bceagle05 said:

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my skin crawl.

People who dont take care of their children and look like the walking dead usually have that effect on people.

see the play at hand, but calling for pitchers to intentionally hit batters is something I will never condone.

USC ballplayer hit in ribs, was coughing up blood for 5 minutes


Delino DeShields Jr. after getting hit in the face


Omar Infante hit in the face


But it also takes a lot of nerve for the Red Sox to complain about it considering that Bucholz used something last year, and Lester had a substance in his glove in the World Series.

I agree you don't need to hit them. You do need to buzz their tower about 8000% more often.

5-1

Boo.

It's the reason why Farrell didnt say a goddamn word to the umps about it. He knows his players are just as dirty.

In comment 11635471 Kulish29 said:

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In comment 11635459 bceagle05 said: Quote: my skin crawl. People who dont take care of their children and look like the walking dead usually have that effect on people.

Let's not forget divorcing his wife a couple months after her double mastectomy.

that's life threatening danger. The pine tar still goes back to Pineda, he was blatantly obvious about it last time, the media response from both teams was no shit, everybody does it, just be discrete about it. Then he comes out with another insanely obvious application. Stupid.

Unless a team is going to unload on our players mercilessly over the past number of years.

throwing another one right into the ground, awesome

In comment 11635481 Dunedin81 said:

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In comment 11635471 Kulish29 said: Quote: In comment 11635459 bceagle05 said: Quote: my skin crawl. People who dont take care of their children and look like the walking dead usually have that effect on people. Let's not forget divorcing his wife a couple months after her double mastectomy.

HA! I totally forgot about that. What a pillar of the community he is.

I checked this thread to see what you were going to say lol

Jeter with three shitty defensive plays in the same fucking game.

everything going wrong tonight, but can't deny Jeter is in the middle of it.

But you have to remember, these are the same people who still refuse to believe Ortiz ever took PEDs. So, it shouldn't be that shocking.

throwing at a player is fine with me.

on the third try. Good inning from Warren.

the most bad defensive plays by Jeter in one game. He has literally underperformed on every ball he has had come his way today.

In comment 11635493 Dave in Hoboken said:

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But you have to remember, these are the same people who still refuse to believe Ortiz ever took PEDs. So, it shouldn't be that shocking.

Not only that but, they have the mentality that their team wins with just blue collar grit and hustle. $100 million dollar payroll be damned!

I wonder why we dont hear shit about the Red Sox winning the World Series with a $100+ million dollar payroll but, when the Yankees do it, they're, "Ruining baseball" and, "Buying championships". Talk about hypocrites.

for the 4th time tonight. Yeesh.

In comment 11635500 Kulish29 said:

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In comment 11635493 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: But you have to remember, these are the same people who still refuse to believe Ortiz ever took PEDs. So, it shouldn't be that shocking. Not only that but, they have the mentality that their team wins with just blue collar grit and hustle. $100 million dollar payroll be damned! I wonder why we dont hear shit about the Red Sox winning the World Series with a $100+ million dollar payroll but, when the Yankees do it, they're, "Ruining baseball" and, "Buying championships". Talk about hypocrites.

$158.9 million to be exact. 4th highest in baseball.

will ever be a useful offensive player again. At least they got 3 good years out of him.

in every respect!

a supposedly anonymous test, and what exactly he was on wasn't ever accounted for. No negative tests since. I don't believe that he was clean, but there is certainly much less of a cause to vilify than say for those who have continued to abuse the system like ARod, Manny, and Braun. He's got a record of tremendous clutch hitting in the postseason, and is a big part of the culture of the city, which was highlighted in last year's horrible attack. So long as he continues to test clean and be the great public face of the team as he has been, Papi is going to worshiped in Boston. That's simply the way it is.

there is no way in hell someone with Ortiz's build is smoking balls like he does naturally. Not at his age and not after his very rapid decline a few years ago.

i can't wait for that story to break.

Latin America has a long and consistent history with all sorts of performance enhancers going back to their pre-teen years in some cases. When that bubble bursts we are going to see a very different landscape.

Turn the page. We'll win tomorrow.

In comment 11635518 RasputinPrime said:

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there is no way in hell someone with Ortiz's build is smoking balls like he does naturally. Not at his age and not after his very rapid decline a few years ago. i can't wait for that story to break. Latin America has a long and consistent history with all sorts of performance enhancers going back to their pre-teen years in some cases. When that bubble bursts we are going to see a very different landscape. Turn the page. We'll win tomorrow.

He only failed one test, bro. Obviously, it's not that big of a deal.

Lulz.

in the left/right pitcher split after Adrian Gonzalez was traded for? PEDs don't make you magically hit lefties again, a hole in his approach was identified and fixed by a teammate (Gonzalez), and his numbers against lefties have rebounded since.

you are obviously a gentleman and a scholar, as well as brave to hang out on a Yankees thread when they play the BoSox.

That said, we're just going to hate Ortiz no matter what you say. It's just the way it is. :-)

In comment 11635521 WeatherMan said:

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in the left/right pitcher split after Adrian Gonzalez was traded for? PEDs don't make you magically hit lefties again, a hole in his approach was identified and fixed by a teammate (Gonzalez), and his numbers against lefties have rebounded since.

You're probably not going to have much traction in this crowd, and rightfully so. There may be persuasive explanations for some of his rebound, but the fact that a guy with a failed test has what is probably the best late-career turnaround by a power hitter in baseball history (if you can find a better one I'm all ears) is probably more easily explained by the Dominican offseasons than by some on-point hitting instruction.

In comment 11635513 WeatherMan said:

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a supposedly anonymous test, and what exactly he was on wasn't ever accounted for. No negative tests since. I don't believe that he was clean, but there is certainly much less of a cause to vilify than say for those who have continued to abuse the system like ARod, Manny, and Braun. He's got a record of tremendous clutch hitting in the postseason, and is a big part of the culture of the city, which was highlighted in last year's horrible attack. So long as he continues to test clean and be the great public face of the team as he has been, Papi is going to worshiped in Boston. That's simply the way it is.

Totally normal for journeymen nobodies who get cut from the Twins to go on and have career years at age 36.

Funny how 'Ortiz' is such an integral fabric of the City. He is until he's not. I seem to recall Nomar and Manny Billboards littered throughout Beantown before the swift media campaign to smear them and run them out of town fomented. Of course, what can you expect from a city whose 2 best athletes of All-Time (Bill Russell and Ted Williams) boycotted for decades.

ARod hasn't failed a test since, either. ARod should have lied the first time like Ortiz did

The facts though are that he hasn't tested positive since - if he does he'll get castigated for it, just like the other cheats have been. There were hundreds who failed that initial round for an unknown variety of substances, and a hell of a lot less have tested positive since... I'd think we all agree that that is a good thing.

its virtually meaningless, ARod we know was using and never failed a test

5 IP last time, 6 IP this time (with 8 Ks). I'm fine with the deal but he could end up being a real surprise for the Cubs.

In comment 11635513 WeatherMan said:

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a supposedly anonymous test, and what exactly he was on wasn't ever accounted for. No negative tests since. I don't believe that he was clean, but there is certainly much less of a cause to vilify than say for those who have continued to abuse the system like ARod, Manny, and Braun. He's got a record of tremendous clutch hitting in the postseason, and is a big part of the culture of the city, which was highlighted in last year's horrible attack. So long as he continues to test clean and be the great public face of the team as he has been, Papi is going to worshiped in Boston. That's simply the way it is.

You guys can keep worshiping the fraud all you like. Doesn't make him any less of a fraud.

He got non-tendered by the fucking Twins.

Just like a Garth Brooks song, "Thank God for unanswered prayers."

I post facts and acknowledge when errors are made both ways, part of why I think my presence here has worked. When something falsely goes the way of my squad I'll call it. Ortiz's production against RHP was still high, he was getting killed for a couple years by LHP and Gonzalez noticed a specific error in his first ST with the team, the rebound followed. Having the bone spur in the achilles removed helped too, but I credit Gonzalez with his rebound. PED's can help you recover faster, they can make you stronger, they can't selectively fix a floundering batting split.

admitted Ortiz failed the 2003 test.

They can increase your bat speed and help you get around faster on same-side pitching.

All the names, all the substances. It would be a firestorm but it'd clear up a lot of bullshit. I'd like to know what he failed for, no doubt about it.

his 6 years with the Twins.

All of a sudden, he gets to Boston and, he's putting up video game numbers? Nothing goin on there. Nope. Nothing at all.

But you're not gonna convince any of us.

and them I'm out for the night. And again, to be absolutely clear, I'm not claiming he was clean early in his career, just that he hasn't tested positive since then.

WEEI, 2011
Boston Herald
OTM

ARod hasn't tested positive since then, either. It's easy to beat the tests, clearly

would give a shit about Ortiz if assholes like Dempster, Gomes and Lackey, among others, didn't jump all over AROD last year. The Sox were bitching about Peralta being eligible to play for the Tigers last postseason, too, after his suspension was up. It's hard to believe they can say anything with a straight face. Their DH is a chemistry experiment, just like Napoli and many others (on all teams).

There are still users getting caught, I know no testing can be perfect but at least they're getting more serious about it now. On that note I need to crash, it's been a long ass day.

Brady hit his 50 in '96 and Luis his 57 in '01 all on sheer grit and good ol' determination. Surprising they weren't Red Sox.

In comment 11635558 WeatherMan said:

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and them I'm out for the night. And again, to be absolutely clear, I'm not claiming he was clean early in his career, just that he hasn't tested positive since then. WEEI, 2011 Boston Herald OTM

Yeah...Posting links to Red Sox related news sites isnt really going to get anyone thinking another way.

it could be merely having conversations with another lefty hitter about going the other way-- or, more likely, it was a newfound ability to explode open his hips and be able to turn on those inside pitches from lefty pitchers.

To doctoring the ball with a substance as like pine tar? I thought the ball had to be "altered" to be rule breaking

which could, presumably, include saliva. I'd love to know the creative gum chewing that goes on in the game today.

The Red Sox are easy to hate. They give Yankees fans new reasons every year. They got dumb-ass lucky last season and aren't going to whiff the playoffs this season so i'll let them have their win tonight. We'll recoup, give Pineda a private love-tap, and get back on track.

It's up to the discretion of MLB as to how many games he'll get.

...Michael Pineda and the entire Yankees organization, starting with the Manager.

How is it possible that someone on the team didn't see this flaming idiot take the mound with pine tar on his neck.

What the...

What the...

What the F***!