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Giants Upgraded Secondary Will Positively Affect Our Offense

GiantTuff1 : 4/24/2014 1:40 pm
With three very strong corners in DRC, Amukamara, and Thurmond, and a still relatively strong safety position with Rolle, Brown, Taylor and Demps, one thing that I am really looking forward to is this secondary challenging our Offense on a consistent basis in practice.

I think the potential benefits of this cannot be understated.

I am over-the-moon excited with McAdoo's hiring and the install of his new offense, and have grown more confident each day with news of this offense being predicated moreso on concrete routes, timing, rhythm, up-tempo, and not on unreliable variables such as body language. We will be aggressive and not reactive, which I love.

But as we know, our WR corps are still a big question mark:
Cruz: The consistent stalwart.
Randle: the great hope to evolve, but still questionable what we'll get.
Jernigan: Ditto as Randle, with hope that he will build on last few games of '13
Manningham: There's hope, but no one knows quite what to expect out of his skills and his past injuries
Holliday: The new guy, with questions on how and if he'll be utilized in the passing game

Lot's of questions marks, which has allowed much of BBI to be astute enough to realize there's definitely room for another playmaking WR through this year's draft. I am certainly all for that.

However, if nothing else, if we stay healthy I think that our WR's facing off against this secondary is going to help us develop one scrappy crew of wideouts, like the rag tag lunch pail bunches of 1986 and 1990.

I for one am excited to see this group's evolution in skill and personality as they fight against this secondary day in day out. It can't help but make us stronger, and I'm really looking forward to it.
Good point  
mrvax : 4/24/2014 1:46 pm : link
I hadn't thought of that. If our new offense can succeed against this backfield, they should be in great shape. It will be good for them to practice against group.

BTW: This Holliday guy is a mystery. 4 years in the NFL and he only caught 2 passes. I would think he's penciled in as special teams only. He's a smurf at 5'5".
Holliday is an interesting one.  
Randy in CT : 4/24/2014 1:55 pm : link
TC told him right away that security was a priority and then we're assuming BM's offense will utilize a lot of screens, so if Holliday gets a chance then some good things might happen there.
RE: Holliday is an interesting one.  
mrvax : 4/24/2014 1:59 pm : link
In comment 11636608 Randy in CT said:
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TC told him right away that security was a priority and then we're assuming BM's offense will utilize a lot of screens, so if Holliday gets a chance then some good things might happen there.


He could probably run right between a defender's legs.
The flip side of this coin is that if our OL still sucks  
BlueLou : 4/24/2014 2:07 pm : link
ballz our DL and LBS will have no idea what it's like to take on quality NFL OL.



Pardon me, doomster.

RE: Holliday is an interesting one.  
GiantTuff1 : 4/24/2014 2:18 pm : link
In comment 11636608 Randy in CT said:
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TC told him right away that security was a priority and then we're assuming BM's offense will utilize a lot of screens, so if Holliday gets a chance then some good things might happen there.


This is a good point to bring up. I am anticipating that McAdoo will have a bunch of plays drawn up to utilize Holiday in this way, or trick / backfield and misdirection plays.
I think it will as well and in addition to what you said  
GiantsFan84 : 4/24/2014 2:21 pm : link
it seems like we have a defense that can win games and really shut down the opponent thus making it less necessary for the offense to take unnecessary chances. Eli should no longer feel he has to win the game by himself.

This combined with an improved return game and a solid kicking game on special teams, as well as an improved run game and o-line and a more simplified offense should allow the team to cut back on turnovers and possibly even play field position to win games.
Its not going to take long..  
silverfox : 4/24/2014 2:23 pm : link
...before we see just how ridiculous the Gilbride offense was. I've said it 100 times...we won in spite of him and not because of him!

Body language reads...WTF, are you kidding me..?..THIS NEW OFFENSE IS GOING TO BE AMAZING...just watch.
a screen to holliday  
suburbanite : 4/24/2014 2:33 pm : link
could be deadly. There is no way a defender will see him behind the offensive linemen.
Agreed, he will be tough to locate for the Defense. Let's hope that  
Jimmy Googs : 4/24/2014 2:39 pm : link
some of our screens even get that far this season...
RE: Its not going to take long..  
GiantTuff1 : 4/24/2014 2:58 pm : link
In comment 11636673 silverfox said:
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...before we see just how ridiculous the Gilbride offense was. I've said it 100 times...we won in spite of him and not because of him!

Body language reads...WTF, are you kidding me..?..THIS NEW OFFENSE IS GOING TO BE AMAZING...just watch.


I agree, I have been saying that people are in for a rude awakening regarding what Eli is and what he's capable. The perception of him around the league is going to change dramatically.

I have long been beating this drum for years, and was very outspoken last season about it, look up some of my previous threads that I've written about it.
Silverfox,  
AnishPatel : 4/24/2014 3:16 pm : link
In comment 11636673 silverfox said:
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...before we see just how ridiculous the Gilbride offense was. I've said it 100 times...we won in spite of him and not because of him!

Body language reads...WTF, are you kidding me..?..THIS NEW OFFENSE IS GOING TO BE AMAZING...just watch.


That's not true. Gilbride, in my opinion, saved Elis career. Eli was debated on very much so when Hufangel was our OC and first year when Gilbride was OC. There were doubts whether he would be good for not. It was in Gilbrides tenure when Eli lifted himself up and became a damn good QB.

Gilbride himself did very good things. Perhaps the most underrated thing he did was yearly come up with a new bead and butter running concept which added to our very good rushing production. Without fail, each year we had a new concept that we consistently ran.

I liked him, and respected him a lot. However, I do agree, that part of the system, I loathed big time. I still did respect him and what he did for us was great.

It should work the other way too.  
USAF NYG Fan : 4/24/2014 3:20 pm : link
A big reason why our DL could not get to the quarterback last year is because the opposing QBs were getting the ball out quickly. Our new offense is supposedly designed to get the ball out quickly. That should be what our DBs will be practicing against.
RE: Silverfox,  
GiantTuff1 : 4/24/2014 3:22 pm : link
In comment 11636798 AnishPatel said:
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In comment 11636673 silverfox said:


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...before we see just how ridiculous the Gilbride offense was. I've said it 100 times...we won in spite of him and not because of him!

Body language reads...WTF, are you kidding me..?..THIS NEW OFFENSE IS GOING TO BE AMAZING...just watch.



That's not true. Gilbride, in my opinion, saved Elis career. Eli was debated on very much so when Hufangel was our OC and first year when Gilbride was OC. There were doubts whether he would be good for not. It was in Gilbrides tenure when Eli lifted himself up and became a damn good QB.

Gilbride himself did very good things. Perhaps the most underrated thing he did was yearly come up with a new bead and butter running concept which added to our very good rushing production. Without fail, each year we had a new concept that we consistently ran.

I liked him, and respected him a lot. However, I do agree, that part of the system, I loathed big time. I still did respect him and what he did for us was great.


I didn't mean to be such an absolutist either. Gilbride did some great things that I'll forever be grateful for, but I look forward to this next offense and seeing how Eli performs in it. I think it will be a very pleasant thing to see.
That I agree with.  
AnishPatel : 4/24/2014 3:28 pm : link
That was one aspect of the system I despised. So much so year by year I wanted a system change. Overall, I think Gilbride did a very good job. I am looking forward to this new system. The ball go one way and WR goes another can finally be cut down or eliminated. That was the thing I couldn't stand year after damn year.
I dunno about Gilbride  
mrvax : 4/24/2014 4:06 pm : link
Right or wrong, I felt that Eli & the offense was somewhat limited by the complexity of all these routes. The Giants always seemed so much better when they ran an up-tempo/hurry-up offense.

You see QBs like Rivers and the fact that his overall stats are so much better than Eli's. At the same time, I feel Eli is the better QB of the 2. Why is this? The offense is the only answer I can come up with.

In any case, a lot of us will get our wish this year as we watch the brand spanking new offense. Hey, the Eagles had good success (most of the time) with their new guy (Chip Kelly), so why can't we?
RE: That I agree with.  
GiantTuff1 : 4/24/2014 4:24 pm : link
In comment 11636828 AnishPatel said:
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That was one aspect of the system I despised. So much so year by year I wanted a system change. Overall, I think Gilbride did a very good job. I am looking forward to this new system. The ball go one way and WR goes another can finally be cut down or eliminated. That was the thing I couldn't stand year after damn year.


Exactamundo. You and I beat this drum pretty hard last year too, I am so thankful that we may see an end to that.
Eli has to also improve his fundame.....  
Simms11 : 4/24/2014 6:34 pm : link
he's so damn erratic with his throws - high, low, too far, etc. His accuracy must get better too. IMO, that's what separates Rivers from Eli, accuracy and mechanics.
Eli has to also improve his mechanics........  
Simms11 : 4/24/2014 6:37 pm : link
he's so damn erratic with his throws - high, low, too far, etc. His accuracy must get better too. IMO, that's what separates Rivers from Eli, accuracy and mechanics. Perhaps with a better olie and running game, Eli will gain more confidence s well.

Any way you slice it, the offense will have to improve dramatically for this team to have a chance at the playoffs.
Will Hill's addiction killed the NY Giants  
SGMen : 4/24/2014 7:16 pm : link
Yes, I know it is likely only marijuana and many states are moving towards legalizing it but the NFL is not there yet and Will Hill knew it. He basically chose pot over $$$ and his team. I totally understand that addiction can be stronger than any other urge (family, sex, money, power, fame,
etc.,) so I am not judging but it still hurts.

I had envisioned a "shutdown" secondary with Rolle, Hill, Cromartie all pro-bowl capable and Prince maybe just an inch behind them. Throw in Thurmond and you have a top nickel corner and Brown a top dime safety. I saw JPP coming back as a beast and DT Donald falling to #12 and providing us with rookie interior pass rush.

Alas, Hill is very likely done as a Giant. Maybe we'll get lucky and he will serve a six game suspension and the Giants will take a chance on keeping him. But it doesn't help for the first six games and this is "best case scenario" as far as I am concerned. The appeals process is a formality where maybe mercy can be found (six games as compared to eight or the season) but I'm not sure the Giants have any mercy left in them with Hill.

Lets just hope the guys we have say healthy.
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