playing at 270 is going to make a huge difference for him.
Now if he could just beat his man off the snap quicker.
It's not something he excelled at even in his best year.
Which is rough because that generates "easy" sacks and helps justifying the "All The Money" check we'll have to offer him.
Osi tried to help with guessing snap counts and timing. Osi would gamble getting offsides sometimes but greatly successful at getting in that backfield before the LT even had a chance to look up.
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he could be even more destructive than 2011
Its incredible what he was doing considering hes always the last guy on both lines reacting to the ball being snapped
I totally agree about JPP having the potential to be better than he was in 2011 if he could get off at the snap faster.
JPP was considered one of the most explosive DL prospects off the snap in a decade
His first-step was his most notable trait as a prospect. It was supposed to be one of his greatest strengths. But in reality it has been his greatest weakness.
2011 JPP + mythical college JPP first step = DPOY
Osi, whenever I hear that, I just can't believe it Â
I don't doubt it's true, but based on what we've seen in the NFL, it just seems impossible.
You watch any of the very good to elite pass rushers in the NFL and JPP looks like he has to wait an extra mississippi before he can start, by comparison.
I don't think he has the getoff or moves to do it. I harp on this a lot, but I think he's going to be best off at LE replacing Tuck going forward. 10 sacks a year, stellar run defense and the occasional jaw dropping play is more valuable at LE than RE because its easier to get a RE who can give you pass rush than an LE.
STRENGTHS
Jason has remarkable athletic talent and size to be an excellent pass rusher at the next level for the team that drafts him. He is very quick off the line of scrimmage and seems to have extra gears that he can shift into when he is rushing the passer or tracking down a play from behind. He is quick, fast and has those long legs and long arms that give him an excellent advantage against any size offensive lineman. Jason's strength is his quickness and speed off the line. Add to that his size and you have an intimidation factor that opponents will have to deal with emotionally before they even step onto the field. He shows very good change of direction ability for a player with such long legs and has superior lateral agility to stretch running plays out to the sideline and not give ground. He is the type of player that, after he works out, is going to make defensive coordinators drool all over themselves as they sleep and dream of all the ways they can use this kid to get to the QB on third and long.
NEEDS TO IMPROVE
Because of his long legs and long arms, he will always struggle at the point of attack; however, you are not drafting Jason to stop the run. You are drafting Jason to rush the passer. His pass rushing skills are all based on his ability to get off the line quicker than his opponent. That will not do (all the time) at the next level. Jason has a long way to go to learn better pass rushing techniques to free himself up at the next level and become a consistent intimidating factor. A lot of his sacks and pressures (early in the season) came from inside stunts and not from freeing himself up and rushing from the outside until later in the season. This improvement shows me that Jason is coachable and improved during the season -- but he still has a long ways to go.
BOTTOM LINE
Jason could be a bigger version of Dwight Freeney (DE Colts). If he has the work ethic that Dwight has, the sky is the limit to his ability to become one of the best pass rushing defensive ends in the game. It's all up to him. Jason looks to me to have the athleticism to play as a OLB in a 3-4. I suspect at the combine, they will put him through those athletic drills to confirm my suspicions. If I'm correct, this kid will be able to play in any style of defense and I would think that would push him into the top ten on many teams' boards. He will get better against the run and at the point of attack with experience, but like I said, you are not drafting Jason to stop the run. There will be a lot of teams that will list this kid as a top ten talent even if he is not able to shine in LB drills. The truth is it will be very hard for me to disagree with that. He looks on film to be a good teammate and plays hard on every down; however, as we all know, sometimes that does not tell the whole story. Right now I'm watching on film the best pass rushing defensive end in this draft. The kid from Florida (Carlos Dunlap) is a more complete defensive end, but this kid is the fastest and quickest pure pass rushing 4-3 defensive end. I call him Jason (The Gazelle) Pierre-Paul because, on the field, he's as smooth and as fast and quick as a gazelle.
Drew Boylhart 1/10
An insanely quick-off the line passrushing DE with mediocre run defense.
That's what Boylhart saw as JPP's potential in the NFL. Amazing how wrong he is about JPP despite technically being "right" about him ending up a stud.
It's just shocking how JPP's quickness of the line has become such a huge weakness in his game. It was a major strength of his in college and it is something you can see on college tape/highlights of his.
But it didn't hold him back from playing at his best possible level. Can't say the same for JPP. Hopefully, it's just getting his back back in order. But as of right now, I can see why it is a concern.
Same thing was said of Nicks going into last season. He'd have a great season in his walk year. Pierre-Paul had basically the Pick 6 @ the Packers. That was his season. He has much to prove.
during the final few years in order to take some strain off of his knees. I met Strahan during the season in 2005 right before we played the Raiders and Kerry Collins and I was surprised how slim he was. He couldn't have been more than 235-240lbs.
I hope it is true and he returns to form. It was very sad watching Porky Pierre Paul last year. He only showed quickness to the dinner table. He looked like a totally different player. Think he needs to play at 265 and get after QB's again. Really want to see him dominate again.
“Most of the D-line is going to look up to me and Kiwi,” Pierre-Paul said. “We’ve got young guys in there, guys from other teams, but we’ve been here the longest, so they have to follow us. We’ve got to lead.”
during the final few years in order to take some strain off of his knees. I met Strahan during the season in 2005 right before we played the Raiders and Kerry Collins and I was surprised how slim he was. He couldn't have been more than 235-240lbs.
True story: My brother unexpectedly found himself standing in line behind Strahan at the Burger King in Lyndhurst, NJ around 2006. He told me 'Ralph, Strahan is skinny!" He said that he said that to Mike and Strahan laughed.
"Power" is not solely measured in weight alone. It's about how explosive one's muscle-fire is.
But it didn't hold him back from playing at his best possible level. Can't say the same for JPP. Hopefully, it's just getting his back back in order. But as of right now, I can see why it is a concern.
I wouldn't say he was ever 'chubby'. He never carried around a gut or anything. Defensive ends aren't supposed to be as light as what Strahan played at at the end of his career.
...is getting old already. He may have just been a one year wonder. I wouldn't be banking anything on his "return" to former self, and I sure hope management isn't either.
...is getting old already. He may have just been a one year wonder. I wouldn't be banking anything on his "return" to former self, and I sure hope management isn't either.
You could be right. And that would be disastrous for the Giants. I still would like to know why he wasn't in shape. Must have been on the Dewey Oxberger diet when he was hurt: swallowed a lot of aggression; along with a lot of pizzas
He's a first-round pick. There should be expectations. Â
Now if he could just beat his man off the snap quicker.
How does that saying go? From your lips to God's ears?
Good to see a motivated JPP.
Its incredible what he was doing considering hes always the last guy on both lines reacting to the ball being snapped
Nothing worse. Its as if we have a game this weekend...
But, maybe this will help the BBI "sky if falling" crowd who don't think JPP can play DE anymore.
Now if he could just beat his man off the snap quicker.
It's not something he excelled at even in his best year.
Which is rough because that generates "easy" sacks and helps justifying the "All The Money" check we'll have to offer him.
Whatever he weighs, just rush the QB and perform and stay healthy
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playing at 270 is going to make a huge difference for him.
Now if he could just beat his man off the snap quicker.
It's not something he excelled at even in his best year.
Which is rough because that generates "easy" sacks and helps justifying the "All The Money" check we'll have to offer him.
Osi tried to help with guessing snap counts and timing. Osi would gamble getting offsides sometimes but greatly successful at getting in that backfield before the LT even had a chance to look up.
Its incredible what he was doing considering hes always the last guy on both lines reacting to the ball being snapped
I totally agree about JPP having the potential to be better than he was in 2011 if he could get off at the snap faster.
JPP was considered one of the most explosive DL prospects off the snap in a decade
His first-step was his most notable trait as a prospect. It was supposed to be one of his greatest strengths. But in reality it has been his greatest weakness.
2011 JPP + mythical college JPP first step = DPOY
You watch any of the very good to elite pass rushers in the NFL and JPP looks like he has to wait an extra mississippi before he can start, by comparison.
Sure hope one of them steps up and helps him out.
I have absolutely no idea what happened to it. But it is a skill he used to have so hopefully he can regain it somehow.
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TALENT BOARD
Round 1
STRENGTHS
Jason has remarkable athletic talent and size to be an excellent pass rusher at the next level for the team that drafts him. He is very quick off the line of scrimmage and seems to have extra gears that he can shift into when he is rushing the passer or tracking down a play from behind. He is quick, fast and has those long legs and long arms that give him an excellent advantage against any size offensive lineman. Jason's strength is his quickness and speed off the line. Add to that his size and you have an intimidation factor that opponents will have to deal with emotionally before they even step onto the field. He shows very good change of direction ability for a player with such long legs and has superior lateral agility to stretch running plays out to the sideline and not give ground. He is the type of player that, after he works out, is going to make defensive coordinators drool all over themselves as they sleep and dream of all the ways they can use this kid to get to the QB on third and long.
NEEDS TO IMPROVE
Because of his long legs and long arms, he will always struggle at the point of attack; however, you are not drafting Jason to stop the run. You are drafting Jason to rush the passer. His pass rushing skills are all based on his ability to get off the line quicker than his opponent. That will not do (all the time) at the next level. Jason has a long way to go to learn better pass rushing techniques to free himself up at the next level and become a consistent intimidating factor. A lot of his sacks and pressures (early in the season) came from inside stunts and not from freeing himself up and rushing from the outside until later in the season. This improvement shows me that Jason is coachable and improved during the season -- but he still has a long ways to go.
BOTTOM LINE
Jason could be a bigger version of Dwight Freeney (DE Colts). If he has the work ethic that Dwight has, the sky is the limit to his ability to become one of the best pass rushing defensive ends in the game. It's all up to him. Jason looks to me to have the athleticism to play as a OLB in a 3-4. I suspect at the combine, they will put him through those athletic drills to confirm my suspicions. If I'm correct, this kid will be able to play in any style of defense and I would think that would push him into the top ten on many teams' boards. He will get better against the run and at the point of attack with experience, but like I said, you are not drafting Jason to stop the run. There will be a lot of teams that will list this kid as a top ten talent even if he is not able to shine in LB drills. The truth is it will be very hard for me to disagree with that. He looks on film to be a good teammate and plays hard on every down; however, as we all know, sometimes that does not tell the whole story. Right now I'm watching on film the best pass rushing defensive end in this draft. The kid from Florida (Carlos Dunlap) is a more complete defensive end, but this kid is the fastest and quickest pure pass rushing 4-3 defensive end. I call him Jason (The Gazelle) Pierre-Paul because, on the field, he's as smooth and as fast and quick as a gazelle.
Drew Boylhart 1/10
An insanely quick-off the line passrushing DE with mediocre run defense.
That's what Boylhart saw as JPP's potential in the NFL. Amazing how wrong he is about JPP despite technically being "right" about him ending up a stud.
It's just shocking how JPP's quickness of the line has become such a huge weakness in his game. It was a major strength of his in college and it is something you can see on college tape/highlights of his.
It is the key to unlocking his true potential.
To put it into perspective, he's already played four years in the NFL but is the same age as Aaron Ross was during his rookie year.
He only slimmed down to 260 for his final few years. He played above that in his prime.
:)
True story: My brother unexpectedly found himself standing in line behind Strahan at the Burger King in Lyndhurst, NJ around 2006. He told me 'Ralph, Strahan is skinny!" He said that he said that to Mike and Strahan laughed.
"Power" is not solely measured in weight alone. It's about how explosive one's muscle-fire is.
I don't know much about USF football- would it be shocking to assume he had one mode and instruction there? 'Go get 'em!'
2) get the dominant JPP back
I wouldn't say he was ever 'chubby'. He never carried around a gut or anything. Defensive ends aren't supposed to be as light as what Strahan played at at the end of his career.
You could be right. And that would be disastrous for the Giants. I still would like to know why he wasn't in shape. Must have been on the Dewey Oxberger diet when he was hurt: swallowed a lot of aggression; along with a lot of pizzas