NFT: Mets vs Cards game 4

I've been following them since the first pitch in'62. Everyone that I have met since then that was a Met fan, still is a Met fan. The bad baseball is never going to turn a true Met (or any team of any sport) into a non fan. The ones that bitch and moan the most in my experience are drive by fans.The ones that when you start talking about the team at at a deeper level like the farm system or their past, have very little idea about it.

league players...That makes us drive by fans? Are you kidding me with that?

I've watched nearly every game for the past 20 years and I dont follow the minors at all. Im willing to bet that's the majority of fans too. That makes you a better fan?

I've seen you say a lot of shit here but that takes the cake.

by name?

as a point, and where did I say you needed to know the minors to be a better fan?

I just think you are way off.

I think that the people that may get pissed off at the current state of their team may even have a deeper passion for their team...as opposed to some people that are quite blase about things.

But I think I also follow them more closely than the average fan. It depends on the person. Most of my friends are like I am.. we follow the minors and pretty much everything around the team. I just enjoy baseball exponentially more when the Mets are actually good. Going to a packed Shea every week back in 2006 was so much more fun than sitting in the morgue that is Citi Field. I still root for and follow the team no matter how good or bad they are.. but I've just grown a tad bit tired of all the losing.

Thankfully I think better times are finally within sight.

to be a fan of a team
Usually it becomes a lifetime thing. We all want to win, but real fans don't walk away when the team loses. If you were a Giant fan in the '70's you saw lousy football for 15 years, I don't know of 1 Giant fan that stopped being a fan be caused they stunk. You want to win, but you don't walk away if they don't if you are a real fan

In comment 11637202 Headhunter said:

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The ones that bitch and moan the most in my experience are drive by fans.The ones that when you start talking about the team at at a deeper level like the farm system or their past, have very little idea about it.

HH, I was just using myself as an example. I live and breathe the Mets. I get pissed when they lose and I'm elated with every win. I'm way too competitive to have a Zen-like outlook like you do (and I don't mean that in a bad way).

I guess I just have an opposite viewpoint from you, which is fine. In my experience, those fans who stay even-keel are usually the ones that aren't glued to the couch when they play.

in terms of organization incompetence. I used to be a diehard Knick fan, but it has wavered a bit of late. I just can't stand the pompous arrogance of Jim Dolan and I find Knick fans to be a pretty arrogant group of fans despite being a pitiful franchise since Ewing was traded. With that said I am excited about Phil Jackson and what he can do.

As for the Mets, I actually like Alderson because I do see a plan. A lot of Met fans bitch about the inactivity in FA, but I don't mind it. We all couldn't wait for Bay to leave and then what do we do? Give Granderson a long term deal. I do love the pitching and think they are coming around though.

As for the Giants, I'm just so damb proud to be a fan of the NY Giants.

In comment 11637273 Headhunter said:

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to be a fan of a team Usually it becomes a lifetime thing. We all want to win, but real fans don't walk away when the team loses. If you were a Giant fan in the '70's you saw lousy football for 15 years, I don't know of 1 Giant fan that stopped being a fan be caused they stunk. You want to win, but you don't walk away if they don't if you are a real fan

This I agree with. The mets could lose every game of the season...and as much as I would want to walk away, I just couldn't bring myself to do it.

for every time I have said I am done with the Mets Giants Rangers and Knicks only to be right back the next game.i am
Not some Pollyanna that sees all unicorns and puppies when it comes to the teams I follow. I know deep down they got me and I'm along for the ride

I mean, it has gotten pretty bad at times but I never stopped being a Met fan (as much as I wanted to)..

Life would be a lot easier for me if I just rooted for the Yankees like most of my family does but I think I'll be infinitely more appreciative of a Mets world series title after going through all this turbulence. Unless of course, it doesn't happen in my lifetime.. which is also possible with this franchise.. but I like my odds.

1986 1990 2007 2011 The Giants 1969 1973 the Knicks and 1994 the Rangers. That is all I have for thousands of games watched. BUT each one is special and worth the aggregation over the years and I wouldn't trade places with any fan of other teams

Let's trade who is going to be an excess pitcher, Zach Wheeler, for Carlos Beltran.

Next, we can trade an 'okay' everyday outfielder in Eric Young for a top CF bat like Angel Pagan.

Then, we can trade an 'okay' 26 year old pitching prospect in Zach Thornton for a great buy low candidate with lots of power, Ike Davis.

Finally, let's trade Rueben Tejada and Rafael Montero for that SS on the Jays, Jose Reyes.

Then our lineup would be

Reyes - SS
Pagan - CF
Wright - 3B
Beltran - LF
Ike Davis - 1B
Murphy - 2B
Granderson - RF
D'Arnuad - C

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When asked about the possibility of using Dice-K as a closer at some point, Collins confirmed that he's a candidate (source: Mike Puma, New York Post) and then cited Matsuzaka's improved control as part of his thinking.

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This is going to be the 4th guy we do this with in the span of 1 freaking month. Just use whichever guy is pitching well and has favorable matchups. There's no reason to keep going through this nonsense. Valverde was the "closer" for like one week.. now Farnsworth was for about 2 days.. now we're going to name Dice-K the closer?

I'm fine with giving him some opportunities but let's just see how he does and go from there. I don't know why Collins has to go nuts with designating these roles. It's pointless.

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Patrick Flood ‏@PatrickJFlood 6m Eric Young Jr. is top 10 in the NL in runs, triples, steals, walks, strikeouts, defensive runs saved, and bWAR.

If Collins liked him before the season you have to think it's going to be even harder for him to put him on the bench now. I know his BA sucks and he strikes out a ton, but he's getting on base, scoring, and playing good D.

Buy low! Wouldn't trade Montero for Reyes but maybe a couple lesser prospects could get it done.

I was a huge fan of Jose, but face facts, he's played one full season in the past 6, and he's already missed 16 this year! Plus, he is owed $92 million over the next 4 years. That's a lot for a guy who may not age well.

I really liked him but sadly his best days are behind him. He just isn't worth what he costs at this point.

It's not gonna happen anyway. I'd take him back if the Jays were just looking to get rid of the contract, though.

sorry

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