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Is it more the packer players or the system?

ANGPASS : 4/24/2014 3:46 pm
I think it is the system more than it is the players. And here is why.

Everyone thinks it is a tight end friendly offense and that we need a receiving tightend. Well, not to dispute that but i think it is a "player" friendly offense. what i mean is how everyone on that offense looked really good. From Rogers and Nelson to Matt Flynn and Boykin. I know Aaron Rogers is regarded as one of the best qbs in the league, but every other qb looked pretty good in that offense. Matt Flynn had a starting job that he lost TWICE. He comes back to green bay and he looks good again? Weird. Randall cobb is regarded as the next percy harvin x - factor WR. ok fine. He goes down and then Boykin all of a sudden is really good? James jones, jordy nelson, greg jennings, Cobb, Boykin. So basically Green Bay is the WR farm system. How can that be if their offensive line was "terrible" the past few seasons?

Also, we are not talking about how the packers use their tightends. In that offense, they sometimes have formations where tightends would line up as WRs. one wide and one in the slot. we need one of our current tightends to be productive either way.

our offense is going to be really good and not just good. eli and wrs will be on the same page before they break the huddle. The system is said to be simplified. And the red zone should be improved a lot. It makes sense since the packers offense shits out WRs. I think we will see big things from randle and jernigan especially. I know we will draft a WR, but the chances of him starting week 1 or getting a lot of playing time right away is not likely. coughlin is still our coach. unless the kid is an absolute beast or there is an injury. We definitely need to address the offense in the draft, but i think the giants are going to shock a lot of people this year.

It's both  
Giantology : 4/24/2014 3:51 pm : link
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RE: It's both  
ANGPASS : 4/24/2014 3:54 pm : link
In comment 11636880 Giantology said:
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No, No. don't do that. obviously it is both. i don't think a random joe blow can just go out thre and make plays. is it MORE the players OR the system. Come on.
it is considered  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/24/2014 4:07 pm : link
a QB-friendly offense and we have seen QB-friendly results when backup caliber QBs are plugged in for Green Bay. And it's not like Green Bay is known for a strong OL. A strong OL can make any scheme look good but that wasn't the case in Green Bay. I think the scheme was definitely beneficial to the QBs in Green Bay.

But I also think a lot of it was Rodgers and his ability to make throws outside the pocket. Say what you want about a QB-friendly system but all you need to do is just watch some of the throws Rodgers makes to realize he isn't some system QB. He makes big boy throws all the time. His ability to make masterful throws on the run is one of his biggest strengths.

Eli does not have Rodgers' mobility, not close. Rodgers' mobility was one of the defining traits of the Packers' passing game. So right off the bat we are going to have a different style of QB play within the system. It will be interesting to see how Eli's lack of mobility affects some of the successful Green Bay/Rodgers passing concepts McAdoo wants to emphasize.
It's 95% Aaron Rodgers  
Kyle : 4/24/2014 4:12 pm : link
He can roll out left, throw across his body, and hit someone in the numbers 35 yards downfield.

He's stupid good.
ergo we need a better line than the packers had  
alligatorpie : 4/24/2014 4:16 pm : link
for the same co-ordinator, different type QB
One of these days  
mrvax : 4/24/2014 4:17 pm : link
the truth will come out that Aaron Rodgers is actually a robot.
It's the system  
bignygfan : 4/24/2014 4:22 pm : link
I called the Giants and asked for a tryout since I figure my 40-year-old ass could get a few easy TDs and yards in this system.

I never did this before.
Like i said  
ANGPASS : 4/24/2014 4:52 pm : link
Aaron Rogers is a beast. but far lesser QBs (Flynn) looked pretty good there too. he isn't the most mobile guy in the world. Eli can make every throw too. aaron rogers does make big boy throws like Osi said, but eli makes big boy throws too. If the giants draft 2 o lineman, a WR and a Tightend witht the first 4 picks, the offense will be set IMO. If they got martin , martin, niklas and lattimer (not in any order) for example. I would be happy with that draft. a Guy who can step in an play either guard or tackle and a center, a two way tightend, and under the radar stud WR? i would be doing back flip like david wilson. i might have his injury too since i never did a back flip.
It's the players  
HomerJones45 : 4/24/2014 5:49 pm : link
it is very comforting to fans to think that running some different plays or a new offensive philosophy is going to have a dramatic effect on the outcome as opposed to thinking that it's the players.

The Packers have Rodgers, who is in fact "stupid good", and also have had a stable of great receivers.

What offense wouldn't look "player friendly" when a mobile qb with a rocket arm is throwing to Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, Jermichael Finley, James Jones and Randall Cobb?
Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers - QB baton passed on well  
SGMen : 4/24/2014 5:49 pm : link
That has keyed the franchise's success. You have a great QB you have a great chance every year.

The Packers have done a pretty good job of evaluating talent, drafting well and retaining who they want.

McAdoo certainly learned from a great organization and now he is coming to another great organization. I suspect he'll learn from Tom Coughlin these next two years and take over the reigns. I figure Eli has another five or six solid years left in him so we have a basis to build on.

Last, this offense will work well this year if the young players step up and the older players come back from injury (Snee, Manningham).
RE: Like i said  
HomerJones45 : 4/24/2014 5:57 pm : link
In comment 11636992 ANGPASS said:
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Aaron Rogers is a beast. but far lesser QBs (Flynn) looked pretty good there too. he isn't the most mobile guy in the world. Eli can make every throw too. aaron rogers does make big boy throws like Osi said, but eli makes big boy throws too. If the giants draft 2 o lineman, a WR and a Tightend witht the first 4 picks, the offense will be set IMO. If they got martin , martin, niklas and lattimer (not in any order) for example. I would be happy with that draft. a Guy who can step in an play either guard or tackle and a center, a two way tightend, and under the radar stud WR? i would be doing back flip like david wilson. i might have his injury too since i never did a back flip.
Cue the Manning defenders. There is not a GM in the league that would take Manning over Aaron Rodgers. None. As for Matt Flynn (a)see the Packer receivers and (b) he basically played the same way in Oakland. Matt Flynn is what he is- a solid backup. GB didn't turn him into a superstar.
While Rodgers is much more "mobile" than Eli,  
81_Great_Dane : 4/24/2014 5:57 pm : link
some people exaggerate Eli's shortcomings in "mobility" and "athleticism." Yes, he's slow and ungraceful as a ball carrier; it's pretty much always a win for the defense if Eli is rushing past the line of scrimmage. But Eli is quite good at sliding in the pocket and finding a passing lane. He's fine rolling out. He's strong enough to break free of a rush, and is able to re-set himself and make a throw afterward, as we saw on the Double Miracle play. He's also fearless and tough, as we know from his iron man streak.

I think Eli will be fine (so to speak) if the new offense asks him to move more than Gilbride's offense did. He's not going to regularly give you positive yardage as a scrambler and rusher, as Rodgers does. But McAdoo will learn his strengths and exploit them, while avoiding exposing his weaknesses. I'm optimistic.
While I would agree that Eli  
Jimmy Googs : 4/24/2014 6:07 pm : link
is pretty good "sliding around in the pocket" and stepping up into the pocket, he is not strong on roll-outs.

He often throws high/hard ones on roll-outs, likely due to footwork issues.
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