NFT: 2 | Pine Tar Wars VII - 24/04

time to see if he can build on that.

wonder what he's got in the mortar...

they had him on a highly structured offseason program this year, as last spring he showed up 20 pounds heavy and it sure as shit wasn't muscle. 6.2 of 2 run ball with 7 Ks to 2 BBs last time against the O's, the first start of his 4 this year where he was able to get the strikeouts going.

If CC shows up and pitches his game we shouldnt be worried.

As I said earlier, Almost every pitcher who made a name for himself has used pine tar. Catchers usually put it on there leg guards and put some on the ball when they throw it back. My cousin was a Major League catcher for the Phils. Look at Lester last year. 2 obvious times he was using it. Bucholtz made a name for himself using it. I bet during October ball when it is cold almost every starter in the playoffs uses it if its cold out.

Why Pineda put it on his neck for the world to see knowing the sawx would be all over him looking for it is beyond me. All he had to was tell McCann to put some under his leg pad and it would have gone unnoticed like it does everytime a pitcher pitches in the cold.

Its not cheating when everybody does it . Kind of like HGH in the NFL.

"Yankees vs. Hypocritical Crybabies."

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we'll see if he gets a fourth inning.

1-0 after the top of the first.

In comment 11637178 Dave in Hoboken said:

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"Yankees vs. Hypocritical Crybabies."

Lmao

that was a hot shot right at him, hope he's alright. Held it to one run, time to welcome back the Flyin' Hawaiian.

First from deep short.

wasn't intentional but Papi got plunked

CC plunks Ortiz. Not intended, an 0-2 pitch.

he didn't mean to, not on an 0-2 count, but I'm not going to weep over it.

but CC isn't going to dominate for more than a few innings at a time. He is looking more like Leiter every time.

Now that he plunked Ortiz however he has become my hero.

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heh.

bat-wise he really needs to be in Trenton.

Nicholas Flammia ‏@TYRadioGuy 1m

33 pitch outing for Manny Banuelos. He has yet to pitch more than 3 innings in an outing with the @TampaYankees. Radar gun showed 94 mph.

check for leakage.

1 second later..

Cone "No"

is @SS. It is going to make it way too dangerous for middle infielders.

ugly.

3-0

nice poke #26. Amazingly, his helmet stayed on the whole time.

There we go.

how was that not a wild pitch?

later...

4-0

CC needs to find that groove.

Walking Gomes isn't groovy.

both pitchers have two walks, CC hit Ortiz and Doubront has chucked multiple pitches into the dirt.

Welcome to the world of pitchers without stuff.

good stuff.

didn't have to hear about any Teix messages.

officially Kay's worst HR call of all time.

McCann got robbed.

should have used rosin. He'd have had that grounder by Gardner.

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Charleston RiverDogs ‏@ChasRiverDogs 1m

Caleb Smith now with 11 K's through five, 2-hit, scoreless innings! 6-0 #RvierDogs top of the 6th #chs #Yankees #chsnews

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whacka whacka

great, great outing for Caleb Smith. Could really turn into a surprise lefty starting prospect.

LHP prospect.

wonder why.

Banuelos, Matt Tracy, Turley, Camarena and then Clarkin who could be the best of the bunch. But Smith fits in there somewhere.

Banuelos - injuries - holding my breath
Tracy - kinda Phelpsy no?
Camarena - raw?
Clarkin - young and a few years off

It's not like we have anyone ready to challenge for a rotation spot next year. I'll pray Banuelos can stay healthy.

maybe even a 3. Injury issues though.

Camarena is really polished, superb command, locates four pitches. His problem is that his FB tops out at 88 or 89 most games. If he could add a couple ticks he's be a legit front of the rotation type, but he just throws too damned slow.

ever sniffing the majors? I know he has had some injury issues but I figured someone would have given him a looksee.

Nice double by Beltran.

he's nothing special, but there are probably worse relievers kicking around the majors. For whatever reason though it doesn't seem like the Yanks are going to give him a shot.

two questions:

Is Judge playing OF or 1B so far this year?

Katoh or Avelino?

says he thinks Camarena was around 91 or 92 yesterday. If that's true it could be big.

Avelino much more than Katoh, Katoh has been overmatched this year and even though Katoh is fast (and starting to steal bases) shortstop is still the premier defensive position on the infield, catcher excepted.

he's actually very athletic, he'll probably stay an outfielder.

a couple bad plays and a couple webgems.

from the right side.

9-2

Hehe.

and takes a run from us.

10-2 double Ellsbury. WE have hit alot of doubles this season.

12-2

Sox going to be pining for better days.

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Shane Greene.

He is getting good swings and good at bats, and there isn't any reason to think that this will disappear entirely (I hope). 9 years inn the minors, and now this. Tied for #1 in RBI on the team is a little weird.

Of course, he is only 26, and switch hitters sometimes mature later.

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is officially done in the field.

What the Fuck.

Help the kid out.

anyone able to offer a quick scouting report on Greene?

I can't find Dune's prospect preview from earlier.

Thanks, as always, fellas

looks like he has a heavy sinker. Could be a useful piece with Warren likely getting the bump to late innings. I'm sure he is battling to hold on to the spot for at least the next 10 days.

like the perfect score to bring in Betances

plus slider and change. Control really came around last year, going from about 5/9 down to under 2/9. Older for a prospect at 25 but he's probably a starter long term.

tonight. A stadium full of people looking at you like a piece of meat can have that effect.

kid has had two outings this season prior to this one and has never really relieved, not surprising he struggled to establish a rhythm.

he was being stretched out down there, right? Only to be called up in a reliever role?

Tough first outing, but them's the bigs. The vets around him certainly didn't do him any favors.

when you have your SS behind you booting another ball. Jeter in the field the last 2 days has been painful.

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they need to stick him in the AAA rotation and leave him the fuck alone. Call him up for spot starts, he's not a reliever, it doesn't really match up with his repertoire.

just end this inning. I can only handle so much terrible defense in one game. This one has far exceeded my threshold.

featuring a Boggsian knuckler.

deep Sol

17 walks combined in this game.

Cold weather - pine tar = sloppy games where batters get hit.

doesn't like Carp very much.

14-5

Tell those mouthbreathers behind home plate to sit the fuck down.

that left the field of play.

Up to 38 pitches...

swung at ball 4. Damnit.

I'd say we have even money on Carp landing on the DL tomorrow.

Some payback for last night's clusterfuck.

guess Betances wasn't available.

still looks like he is 13 years old.

never gets old. Nice win, loved seeing Ellsbury have a big game.

Moving on out.

That's two series wins against Boston this season, thus far. Nice to see CC have a really good outing, too.

didn't see all of it tonight, but I've been in libraries louder than Fenway at the end of this one...sounds like a pretty odd game. We'll take it

The Townies can

Yanks' lead is now 1.5, over the Balto's.

14-5 demolition of Boston and his only comment in the entire thread is on Jeters fielding.

didn't even comment on it until after 10 other people talked about how bad of a play it was and then how rough of a night Greene had.

And it wasn't my only post in the thread, so nice try. I only watched last few innings because I was watching hockey and nba playoffs.

Am I wrong when I say Jeter is terrible in the field at this point?

Jeter is hitting decently well because with the defense he's giving if he's out there hitting .250 he would be a huge negative. His defense can't continue to be this bad, he's giving away hits and runs on a routine basis

who starts in his place? Solarte with Johnson at 3rd?

In comment 11637544 MookGiants said:

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didn't even comment on it until after 10 other people talked about how bad of a play it was and then how rough of a night Greene had. And it wasn't my only post in the thread, so nice try. I only watched last few innings because I was watching hockey and nba playoffs. Am I wrong when I say Jeter is terrible in the field at this point?

You're not wrong. Actually, last night between his fielding and his hitting I was thinking maybe Jeter is sick or something, because he just looked bad doing pretty much everything. At least he hit tonight.

Look, he's going to be 40 this year. No one has played a full year at SS in the history of MLB at his age (I believe I read that somewhere). He's coming off a year of injuries. It's not going to be pretty.

But I think he has a lot of desire to win one more World Series this year and he'll be a good leader.

at age 39, and looks like he played 132 games or so.

For those of you not so old, Aparicio was a great SS and is deservedly in the HOF, as will be Jeter.
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you have to believe it's just a bump in the road. He's atrocious going to his left but he's generally pretty good with anything he can get to, that hasn't been the case this week. Likely just a bad week and hopefully doesn't continue.

You're not wrong to say he's been terrible in the field. The last three games he has been.

I've been burnt out by a similar jeter "hater" who just kills him routinely (and also the entire Yankees for that matter, and is a Yankee "fan"). My point to him has been simple:

You can't hate athletes who do what Jeter has done for your favorite team. You just can't. It's almost impossible. These types are the same people who wanted Mattingly gone before the leg kick, who wanted LT to stop blocking someone's path in 92-93, who wanted Ewing traded before he got traded. I wonder how many people wanted Mantle to take a seat at the end? When these guys leave, you can only PRAY the next one in line is half the player.

Sometimes you have to take the bad with the good in terms of them being relatively shitty at the end. It happens. Jeter isn't even that bad right now, he's had some bad fielding games for sure. The trade off is everything he's done in the past, of course it's the past, but he's not crippling your team (and his presence IMO helps regardless).

Sorry to vent but your comments just seemed to click with someone else who baffles me in their hatred of Jeter, more so than you. And I'm not even a Jeter ball worshipper, not by a long shot, but that persons attitude has made me at least a Jeter defender.

Omar Vizquel started 136 games at SS for the Giants in 2007 when he was 40.

as some of the people are saying(hoping, don't let them tell you different). He certainly has had a few rough moments in this past week and he definitely doesn't have good range at this age, but he's been solid enough throughout the season. 2 nights ago there was a nubber up the middle that Jeter got to(to his left) and the ball took a weird spin and went by jeter. Jeter was bashed for his range when it had absolutely nothign to do with his range, he just missed it. The dude is 40 and he's helping out offensively, the need to point out on a daily basis that he sucks is ridiculous and agenda driven.

1. The dude was one of the best defensive SS's ever.
2. He also hit .246 with a .305 OPB.

White wash his deficiencies and pretend his defense isn't an issue...

I only brought up Vizquel because he said he thought Aparicio was the only one. I didn't say O played well, only that he played.

Loving it

He's got no range at this age. Range, specifically to his left, has always been an issue with him, it's gotten worse at age 40. He's still adds value at SS because there is a lot more that goes into the position. Most don't understand that. It's annoying to see the same people bash Jeter over and over like they have been doing for a long time now(and been wrong and look like idiots at the same time). The dude is 40, he's hitting .288 with a .373 OBP. His defense, for most of the season, has been ok. It's certianly not nearly as bad as some want to make it seem. Those same people are the ones who thing range is everything that goes into playing the position and I'm trying to tell them that it doesn't. Trust me on that one champ.

But I love how you're the only one who understands the nuances of the Shortstop Position... you're the best, buddy. You know it all..

And by all, I mean you just pretty much listed mooks issues with Jeter, while simultaneously getting the vapors about looks issues with Jeter.

Bravo

it's been terrible. It hasn't just been one bad week, how about the game where he just flat out missed an easy double play ball in the first inning against the O's and they go on to score 3 runs when the inning would have been over.

His hitting has been fine, not great because he's hitting for absolutely zero power and has a .700 OPS as a result, but it's been fine.

In comment 11637996 Vin R said:

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Loving it

Same here.

and this is his farewell tour. He's earned the right to sucks ass in the field and then ride off into the sunset.

In comment 11638013 Davisian said:

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But I love how you're the only one who understands the nuances of the Shortstop Position... you're the best, buddy. You know it all.. And by all, I mean you just pretty much listed mooks issues with Jeter, while simultaneously getting the vapors about looks issues with Jeter. Bravo

I love how I'm so under your skin. It's great. You search for me now, I'm honored.

Mook and Greg are awful fans and it takes a toll. I know the SS position, they do not. It's simple.

no one earns the right to suck ass in the field. They are trying to win games. I'm not saying Jeter should be benched, but he needs to play better defensively. Right now he's not even making the plays that he's always made. He's had balls hit right at him that he's missed, he's had throws where he has just fired them directly into the ground. We know hes not going to get to much of anything going to his left, but the other stuff he needs to clean up.

That's a different point and one is agree with, but pointing out his defensive deficiencies shouldn't be a reason for Professor Shortstop excelsior over here to get all butthurt every time its brought up.

as in JerseyJoe simple or as simple as knowing the sport ScottyThickones simple?

He must be going through some professional mental anguish these days. He battled yesterday and stuck it to the Sox. Anyone else annoyed at how Bradley Jr. eyed up Sabathia after getting hit? Just walk to first and be happy you're on a MLB roster. Sabathia can dust you whenever the hell he pleases.

at "I know the SS position" What, from your beer league softball leagues?

Yeah, we're awful fans because we dont ball wash Jeter like you do. Fuck off

I meant to type no offense, sorry. No offense, but you guys suck as fans for a large variety of reasons.

I've played SS from age 5 to 38, regardless of what league. I've played and still play in highly competive leagues and SS is SS bud. You on the other hand excel at Xbox and I've seen you, no way you are getting drafted on any sports teams. No offense.

your softball leagues and some high school league really gives you the expertise on the SS position in the majors. Hey, I played basketball and football throughout high school, I'm now an expert on everything football and basketball, since I played those sports from age 5 i know everything.

you two haven't just bashed Jeter. You bash everyone(except Arod). So far this season, the following players suck:

Ellsbury(although you guys have shut up since the actual season started)
Jeter
Brian Roberts
Kelly Johnson
Tex
Ichiro
Soriano
Gardner
CC
Girardi(for not playing Betances in high pressure situations in April)

I'm sure I'm missing a few

All this coming from Mr. "Tuck's a fraud" himself is richer than Bill Gates.

have I said one thing about Teixeira or Gardner? You wont find a bigger Gardner fan on BBI than me

but that's precisely correct. If you played bball from age 5-38, specifically a certain position, you would understand the details of said position. It obviously doesn't mean you play anywhere near the pro level, but you understand it.

If a hockey player has played goalie his whole life and never played pro ball, he'd understand the details of that position way more than some couch potato that says everyone sucks.

must have been a psychologist and doctor at some point in his life, because based on his posting history he can get into the minds of players and also know how injured they are. He should run for President since he knows everything. Shit, send your resume to the Yankees right now and see if they'll give you a tryout at SS, since you are so highly skilled and knowledgable about the position maybe they will let the pitcher hit and you can be Jeter's DH

In comment 11638074 MookGiants said:

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have I said one thing about Teixeira or Gardner? You wont find a bigger Gardner fan on BBI than me

Thanks, Mook.

no one gives a fuck that you play beer league softball. Seriously. I played sports all throughout high school and play tennis regularly now and pick up basketball. I don't pretend to know everything about a position because I go down to the local YMCA to play a fucking basketball game. You're pathetic, really.

In comment 11638088 MookGiants said:

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must have been a psychologist and doctor at some point in his life, because based on his posting history he can get into the minds of players and also know how injured they are. He should run for President since he knows everything. Shit, send your resume to the Yankees right now and see if they'll give you a tryout at SS, since you are so highly skilled and knowledgable about the position maybe they will let the pitcher hit and you can be Jeter's DH

Just because I understand the position, doesn't mean I can play MLB. At my age, my range is way worse than Jeters and I don't know if I can hit ML pitching at this point in my life. I'd love to try though, would be fun. I'm not sure my resume would get me anywhere either, I'm sure there are lost of people out there that know the position. I have a job anyway, I don't think I'd want to look for a new one, I like my job.

but I've never said Ellsbury sucks. And I still hate that contract, he's a good player but he's also making 20+ million and is on the wrong side of 30 and has 6 years to go after this one. Long term deals to guys on that side of 30 are just bad business. I've never argued that Ellsbury can play, but keeping him on the field and also 7 years is my issue. He's certainly been better so far than anyone could have predicted

In comment 11638093 MookGiants said:

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no one gives a fuck that you play beer league softball. Seriously. I played sports all throughout high school and play tennis regularly now and pick up basketball. I don't pretend to know everything about a position because I go down to the local YMCA to play a fucking basketball game. You're pathetic, really.

All those exagerrations and insults don't really make sense. It's a poor effort to deflect from the truth, but hey, you gave it a shot. I'd kill you in tennis, set it up.

I don't need to find you Cochise, your special brand of flaming hypocrisy is on every fuckin thread.

But I guess I understand now why you get so fired up about hockey. Must be frustrating to lose arguements to a guy who's played defense from age 4-42 and therefore must know more than anybody. Ever....

God you're pathetic.

I will destroy you in hockey. Set it up.

Mook, maybe you didn't say Ellsbury sucked, but something about him being incredibly overrated.

Or did you break your clavicle trying to lace them up?

Set it up cochise. You need to learn a lesson.

compared to the money he is making he is overrated. He's never hit like he is right now in his career, if he simply puts up what his career averages are he is overrated. I understand they have to overpay in free agency, but he's getting paid like a 35 homer, 100+ rbi machine. The back end of the contract is going to be a big issue. I'm happy with him for 2-3 years but i dont think it will work out well after that.

haven't stopped us from improving the team, neither will the Ellsbury deal if he's not playing or playing well at the back end. He's a game changing ball player, does everythign on the field at a very high level except hit for power.

But it would be hard to learn them from you with all that Jeter and fluffy cock in your mouth.

Call my agent, I'll rake your tits.

In comment 11638139 kmed said:

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haven't stopped us from improving the team, neither will the Ellsbury deal if he's not playing or playing well at the back end. He's a game changing ball player, does everythign on the field at a very high level except hit for power.

Different environment now with a potential international draft looming and all of the caps on spending in the draft and IFA. Teams are also locking up guys early and not letting them get to FA more now than they ever did. They can only put a band-aid on things so long, eventually for sustained success they are going to have to build things from the ground up.

-I'm not a Jeter ball washer. But some people seem to enjoy taking steaming shits on him any chance they can, which i think is wrong if you're a Yankee fan. Pointing out his deficiencies is one thing, hating him for no reason is another.

-I played SS in 4th grade. Does this apply?