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Raanan NJ.com: NYG prefer Martin to Lewan; cooled on Ebron

Defenderdawg : 4/29/2014 8:12 am
Ebron:

"There is one notable (but intentional) omission -- North Carolina tight end Eric Ebron. The consensus top tight end was left off for a reason. Everything I've heard in recent months and weeks indicates the Giants aren't especially high on him, and that they won't draft him at No. 12. Even though misdirection is common this time of the year, that disqualified him for this list."

Martin:

"Word on the street is that the Giants prefer Martin to Lewan. The Notre Dame product comes with less baggage and, despite common perception, is more physical in the run game."

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Blue Blood  
Big Rick in FL : 4/29/2014 11:05 am : link
If you have time or remember what interviews you have seen could you possibly link them? Maybe I'm missing something about him. It would be greatly appreciated. I just see people calling him a diva as they have nothing bad to say about him as a football player so they play the diva card. Thanks if you can link those interviews!
yeah, i think  
M in CT : 4/29/2014 11:09 am : link
people throw the "diva" term around a little freely nowadays. when i think "diva" i'm thinking of terrell owens - a guy who is going to be a constant distraction from week to week. Ebron is certainly confident in his athleticism (and rightfully so, he's an athletic freak), but i don't see him as causing major distractions if he doesn't get as many looks as he would like. i don't see him throwing his hands up in frustration all the time like Shockey did, for example. i could be wrong on that, but i just don't see it.

what i do see is a mismatch nightmare at TE the likes of which we haven't had on this team in a long time. Eli needs a #1 WR AND a TE and it strikes me that we could potentially kill two birds with one stone by drafting Ebron. i see him as a Jimmy Graham type of receiver. now, that might not necessarily work for a Coughlin offense (block first, catch passes second), but i'm thinking Tom is going to have another of his epiphanies this year and will let McAdoo control most of the offensive scheming. if that's the case, i certainly hope we go into the season with a dynamic, pass catching TE. and there's nobody like that on the roster currently. not even close.
RE: this draft  
Jimmy Googs : 4/29/2014 11:12 am : link
In comment 11643821 Eric from BBI said:
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will be good litmus test.

If they draft Ebron, then they've gotten better at misdirection since everyone early associated them with Ebron and now the scuttlebutt is in the obvious direction.

If they draft Martin, then they still aren't great at hiding their intentions.


If they draft Martin, then maybe their intentions were fairly transparent anyway...
RE: I don't think it's smoke  
JordanRaanan : 4/29/2014 11:17 am : link
In comment 11643592 JonC said:
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I've heard Martin's name for some time as a target, and it's likely Raanan's source is Mike G, which bodes well for the info.


You guys are funny. You think I can bring another media member to my boss as a source? Not quite. Love Mike G though. He is a friend. Great guy.

Just wanted you all to know I check out this site often and I enjoy the conversation.
Look it's a traitor  
Semipro Lineman : 4/29/2014 11:20 am : link
Ban Him!!!!
Keep it coming, JR..  
Big Blue '56 : 4/29/2014 11:20 am : link
Not sure why you would use another media member as your source either
RE: Blue Blood  
Blue Blood : 4/29/2014 11:21 am : link
In comment 11643842 Big Rick in FL said:
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If you have time or remember what interviews you have seen could you possibly link them? Maybe I'm missing something about him. It would be greatly appreciated. I just see people calling him a diva as they have nothing bad to say about him as a football player so they play the diva card. Thanks if you can link those interviews!


cant go through every link and interview for the last six weeks.
RE: RE: I don't think it's smoke  
JonC : 4/29/2014 11:25 am : link
In comment 11643867 JordanRaanan said:
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In comment 11643592 JonC said:


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I've heard Martin's name for some time as a target, and it's likely Raanan's source is Mike G, which bodes well for the info.

Fair enough, Jordan.



You guys are funny. You think I can bring another media member to my boss as a source? Not quite. Love Mike G though. He is a friend. Great guy.

Just wanted you all to know I check out this site often and I enjoy the conversation.
Emlen  
Phil from WNY : 4/29/2014 11:26 am : link
No, the personnel department doesn't give a rat's ass about fan perception - and they shouldn't - but the public relations and market departments care deeply about fan perception.

Eric Ebron isn't in the same galaxy as Jimmy Graham  
Greg from LI : 4/29/2014 11:27 am : link
That's an insane comparison.
...  
JonC : 4/29/2014 11:28 am : link

Fair enough, Jordan.
RE: RE: I don't think it's smoke  
2ndroundKO : 4/29/2014 11:28 am : link
In comment 11643867 JordanRaanan said:
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In comment 11643592 JonC said:


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I've heard Martin's name for some time as a target, and it's likely Raanan's source is Mike G, which bodes well for the info.



You guys are funny. You think I can bring another media member to my boss as a source? Not quite. Love Mike G though. He is a friend. Great guy.

Just wanted you all to know I check out this site often and I enjoy the conversation.


Jordan -- appreciated all your info during the free agency period. You were really on top of things. Stick around! Your insight is appreciated.
Phil  
Emlen'sGremlins : 4/29/2014 11:33 am : link
The organization recently allowed their squeaky clean defensive team captain to leave for Oakland while keeping a multiple offender knucklehead like Hill on the roster. Again, PR/Marketing are meaningless when it comes to personnel from an overall organizational perspective.
how do you know, Greg?  
M in CT : 4/29/2014 11:33 am : link
we haven't seen Ebron on an NFL field yet, so i think dismissing the comparison is a little premature, no? and i certainly didn't mean to suggest that Ebron can replicate Graham's production. i just meant that they're similar types of players. we don't have Drew Brees, after all.

the only apples to apples comparison that we have at the moment is that Jimmy Graham was drafted in the third round and Ebron is being projected to go in the top 20 picks or so.
RE: RE: I don't think it's smoke  
Jimmy Googs : 4/29/2014 11:34 am : link
In comment 11643867 JordanRaanan said:
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In comment 11643592 JonC said:


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I've heard Martin's name for some time as a target, and it's likely Raanan's source is Mike G, which bodes well for the info.



You guys are funny. You think I can bring another media member to my boss as a source? Not quite. Love Mike G though. He is a friend. Great guy.

Just wanted you all to know I check out this site often and I enjoy the conversation.


Ha! Good for you Jordan.

Giants are probably going QB anyway because that is the only position BBI is not focused on...
Blue Blood  
Big Rick in FL : 4/29/2014 11:39 am : link
Yes I wasn't expecting every single interview. Just maybe the main 2 or 3 that stood out to you? I have read a ton of his interviews and haven't seen anything to call him a diva.

Greg - Who compared him to Graham?
Emlen  
Phil from WNY : 4/29/2014 11:40 am : link
I offered one potential explanation as to why the Giants would spread information/disinformation to beat reporters. It's neither an exhaustive explanation nor is it based on anything I know other than an attempt to explain how and why Ranaan could have gotten this information other than a non-sanctioned leak.

As to the merits of personnel, there was nothing in my post that opined on recent personnel decisions. Take what I wrote for what it is.
If It's Down to OTs  
Percy : 4/29/2014 11:47 am : link
If both are there at 12, Martin would be a fine pick, able to play anywhere on the OL and do it right away, less likely than Lewan to thrive at LT (even though he seems able to do well even there), but a potential all-pro at G. So would Lewan, who may be less ready, and seems never to have played at G, but has greater physical gifts than Martin and projects as a way better OT. (I discount his "personal" problems/issues.) Given the immediate needs and continuing uncertainty about the Giants' OL, my guess is that Martin's the choice. Plug and play (and surely that's what we're looking for right now), rookie notwithstanding.
EG, the final story  
Big Blue '56 : 4/29/2014 11:50 am : link
has not yet been written about Hill..The final story on Justin Tuck just about has..Tuck had a few meaningless big games against the Skins..I'm glad that he bought himself some more money. The Giants know what JT has left and were not going to ante up more than the minimum to retain him..In fact, they never made an offer of ANY kind, iirc..

Hill is 7 years younger than Tuck with a far more healthy body. His brain? Not so healthy..The Giants try not to knee-jerk personel decisions if they can possibly help it..

Hill may have played his last snap for us, for all we know..His talent and upside, far greater than JT's at this point, may be worth being patient for, imv
Jordan  
SwirlingEddie : 4/29/2014 12:14 pm : link
Thanks for joining the conversation.

How do you go about verifying information like this? The public perception of sports journalism is something in between Columbia/Pulitzer journalism and pure speculative rumor-mongering. How do you find the balance?
Whether its Matthews, Martin, or Lewan.....  
Reb8thVA : 4/29/2014 12:18 pm : link
you have your OTs set for a decade. Draft Travis Swanson or Marcus Martin in the third or fourth and you've got your Center and the most important parts of the OL are solidified.
Reb8thVA  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/29/2014 12:21 pm : link
well, only if you re-sign them in four years. They didn't re-sign Cofield or Joseph and we thought our DTs would be set.
RE: I don't think it's smoke  
chris r : 4/29/2014 12:22 pm : link
In comment 11643592 JonC said:
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I've heard Martin's name for some time as a target, and it's likely Raanan's source is Mike G, which bodes well for the info.


Lol, based on what?
I've got no problem with.....  
damdevs : 4/29/2014 12:23 pm : link
Martin being the pick. I just hope its after we trade down 3-5 slots.
RE: RE: I don't think it's smoke  
Brandon Walsh : 4/29/2014 12:29 pm : link
In comment 11643867 JordanRaanan said:
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In comment 11643592 JonC said:


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I've heard Martin's name for some time as a target, and it's likely Raanan's source is Mike G, which bodes well for the info.



You guys are funny. You think I can bring another media member to my boss as a source? Not quite. Love Mike G though. He is a friend. Great guy.

Just wanted you all to know I check out this site often and I enjoy the conversation.


Keep up the great work Jordan. You've been pretty spot on this off-season and the insight and the original content is appreciated
Jerry Reese can't afford to care about what fans think when making  
wgenesis123 : 4/29/2014 12:32 pm : link
his pick but he is human. Its always nicer to hear cheers than boos. I suspect that when its cheers, at that moment he can care if he wants too. If its a negative reaction from the crowd he can look at TC and chuckle.
Good..  
SanFranGiantsFan : 4/29/2014 12:33 pm : link
I want Martin over Lewan.
RE: Reb8thVA  
Reb8thVA : 4/29/2014 12:38 pm : link
In comment 11644026 Eric from BBI said:
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well, only if you re-sign them in four years. They didn't re-sign Cofield or Joseph and we thought our DTs would be set.


Assuming that the picks pan out, I think the organization would put a premium on keeping the OL together given the importance continuity plays in the success of an OL.
if they took barr with pick 12  
CGiants07 : 4/29/2014 12:40 pm : link
he probably immediately fills that joker de/lb position we like to use
id be fine with 8 or 9 of the 10 guys listed  
CGiants07 : 4/29/2014 12:42 pm : link
no safety in round 1. If you want a safety take on day 3 of draft. Lewan im indifferent
Mcshay and Kiper updated mock drafts  
CGiants07 : 4/29/2014 12:44 pm : link
are out.


They have us taking Aaron Donald and Odell Beckham respectively
if it's Martin, where do you play him?  
Mike in St. Louis : 4/29/2014 12:46 pm : link
from what I've read (and it isn't close to everything out there), he may not be able to handle LT...so do you move Pugh over or put Martin at G? if the latter, the 12th pick for a guard?
Martin seems like the obvious Pick for the Giants  
ZogZerg : 4/29/2014 12:47 pm : link
Questions at LT - whether Beatty will be back healthy
questions at RG - Whether Snee will be able to play

Martin gives you a guy who can play both spots, adds competition to camp, and will take over one of the spots or another one. Lots of flexibility and all the intangibles.

I think the only way they don't pick Martin is if they can get the WR from Texas A&M. But, he'll be long gone.

Hopefully the dolphins don't trade in front of us to grab him.
knowing the Giants, it's probably Martin...  
SHO'NUFF : 4/29/2014 12:49 pm : link
or Kouandjio.
I could definitely see Pugh at LT and Martin at RT  
PatersonPlank : 4/29/2014 1:03 pm : link
IMO Pugh can play either.
Think the pick should be Donald or Mosley  
ghost718 : 4/29/2014 1:15 pm : link
They're the best 2 players in my opinion.Donald is a risk,but is probably worth it.

I know everyone is going crazy for Zach Martin,but he's a little overrated in my opinion.I'm also picky when it comes to taking offensive lineman.If I'm going to take one with the 12th overall pick,over guys like Gilbert,Mosley,and Donald,than he's gotta be very good.
RE: if it's Martin, where do you play him?  
jeff57 : 4/29/2014 1:25 pm : link
In comment 11644121 Mike in St. Louis said:
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from what I've read (and it isn't close to everything out there), he may not be able to handle LT...so do you move Pugh over or put Martin at G? if the latter, the 12th pick for a guard?


Martin can probably handle LT better than Pugh. If Beatty's not ready, I'd play Martin there. Otherwise I'd play him at LG and move Schwartz to RG.
Martin  
Dragon : 4/29/2014 2:01 pm : link
Martin is a solid player but he is not a special OT or OG by any means. He is a top 18-24 talent in this draft since he will never be able to play LT at the NFL level. Martin would also be making the switch to OG a position he would have to learn can we have a player picked at #12 sitting on the bench for most of the year. In this draft at pick #12 if it's an OL he must have to ability to one day move to LT. That's the problem we have with Pugh today he could play OG, OC or RT but he is also not an NFL LT.

Lewan may have some issues but he would play RT from day one and depending on Beatty could play LT next year if not sooner as needed.
I disagree strongly  
Jimmy Googs : 4/29/2014 2:14 pm : link
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RE: Martin  
Dan in the Springs : 4/29/2014 3:01 pm : link
In comment 11644359 Dragon said:
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Martin is a solid player but he is not a special OT or OG by any means. He is a top 18-24 talent in this draft since he will never be able to play LT at the NFL level. Martin would also be making the switch to OG a position he would have to learn can we have a player picked at #12 sitting on the bench for most of the year. In this draft at pick #12 if it's an OL he must have to ability to one day move to LT. That's the problem we have with Pugh today he could play OG, OC or RT but he is also not an NFL LT.

Lewan may have some issues but he would play RT from day one and depending on Beatty could play LT next year if not sooner as needed.


How can you definitively say that Martin cannot play LT? I know some speculation is that teams might want to play him elsewhere, but I don't see where that is conclusive. And I fail to see anything in the tape I watch of him that leads me to the conclusion that he cannot do the job of a LT in the NFL.

If Diehl could do the job on a line that was one of the NFL's best for quite some time, I think Martin could do at least as well.

Please provide your reasoning - specifically - about what aspect of his play isn't good enough to play LT.

Thanks!
After the season we just had  
Mr. Nickels : 4/29/2014 3:03 pm : link
I want a special player. Not a "safe plug and play". Teams drafting in the late 20s take those kinds of players. We were one loss away from picking in the top 10. We should get a top 10 talent.
no to Ebron  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/29/2014 3:22 pm : link
was LOVE Evans, br really happy to build the lines , thats were we lost games in the last 2 years the LOS
I think Martin  
Phil from WNY : 4/29/2014 3:31 pm : link
is a special talent. People like to focus on physical attributes but a guy who can develop almost flawless technique while in college is both rare and special.
I'd  
AcidTest : 4/29/2014 7:22 pm : link
be fine with Martin at #12. Originally, I thought #12 was too high for Martin, but he is just so solid and good. He has the lowest bust factor of anybody likely to be available at #12, and that is exactly what we need after so many projects.
Thanks Jordan!  
BlueLou : 4/30/2014 4:40 am : link
The only guy I have a problem with on that list is Evans, especially at #4... Like some others here I have some doubts how his game will translate to the NFL; I don't see the quickness and don't see the RAC ability.

Especially interesting and different from other Giants' draft speculation out there is Dix at 3 and Mosley at 8.

Martin #1 must make Phil in LA happy, but Lewan is still on the list at #7!
I too don't think the Giants have ANY realistic shot at Matthews.  
BlueLou : 4/30/2014 4:41 am : link
Don't see him dropping very far at all.
I wonder if  
bc4life : 4/30/2014 9:45 am : link
Martin is gone will they take Lewan? I would be surprised if they didn't.
or do they reach for Cyrus K  
JonC : 4/30/2014 9:50 am : link
if Lewan is gone as expected.
RE: Blue Blood  
Blue Blood : 4/30/2014 10:08 am : link
In comment 11643914 Big Rick in FL said:
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Yes I wasn't expecting every single interview. Just maybe the main 2 or 3 that stood out to you? I have read a ton of his interviews and haven't seen anything to call him a diva.

Greg - Who compared him to Graham?


Rick no offense.. but when I look on the net Im not cataloging where I looked.. when I looked and what site I looked at.. and since im looking at interviews and comments over several devices (phone, tablet... home and work computers).. I cant remember every site.. for every interview.. for EVERY player..

Just look around and see what you can see and form your own opinion..
RE: Ebron  
JonC : 4/30/2014 10:25 am : link
There have been questions following him around during the scouting process ... does he have the right attitude and focus, will he be professional in his approach, does he play full speed and carry out his duties consistently, does he have the proper work ethic or is he immature, etc. Those types of questions, mixed with info from those who know him and those who seek drama, will lead to diva labels, etc.

You'd have to be biased to choose to quickly dismiss it. Luckily, it's not a job that falls to us.
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