Raanan NJ.com: NYG prefer Martin to Lewan; cooled on Ebron

Please tell that they are all over Donald like white on rice if he is there at 12

I would much rather have Martin in round 1 and Niklas in round 2 rather than Ebron in the first and an OL in the 2nd.

would have been a perfect smokescreen for teams like the Jets/Cardinals/Packers to want to trade up before the Giants, wished they had pulled this card

recent slide making him a remote possibility at #12, I wonder what would Reese's preference be between Matthews and Martin...with the obvious consensus screaming for the kid with the bloodlines

I have fallen off the Ebron bandwagon. The more I watch of him the more I don't like.

With respect to Martin and Lewan, I think if people truly watch both players they will come away more impressed with Martin. Lewan has the measureables and reputation but I do not think his play backs up his reputation as a nasty player. Martin is.

but I don't know how you have Mike Evans and Odell Beckham on that list without Brandin Cooks.

In comment 11643563 CromartiesKid21 said:

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would have been a perfect smokescreen for teams like the Jets/Cardinals/Packers to want to trade up before the Giants, wished they had pulled this card

But indicating we are cooling on Ebron could make teams like Buffalo or Detroit go in a different direction thinking that the Giants won't be taking a TE and if we do like Ebron (who I personally am not a fan of) he is there at #12

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...the pick will be Zach or HaHa. I can't envision a scenerio where both would be gone in the top 11. Mathews is unlikely to fall. So 1 or 3 on that list...HaHa would surprise me.

Remember, there is no upside, whatsoever, of letting other teams know what you generally think about a position or a player prior to the Draft.

I've said for some time that 12 was too high. I see him going in the bottom third of the 1st and timing couldn't be worse for him because Austin Sefarian Jenkins, who I'd rather have at TE is on the way back up as he gets healthier from his surgery. Word is that he ran a 4.56 40 at a Jets private workout yesterday at 271 pounds. He also has better hands and clearly a better blocker with the ability to be the best in this class.

In comment 11643575 Jimmy Googs said:

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Remember, there is no upside, whatsoever, of letting other teams know what you generally think about a position or a player prior to the Draft.

Exactly. Unless there is a moron in the Giants organization, every piece of information leaked about the Giants "preferences" about prospects is intentionally leaked for a reason.

but I'd certainly be happy with Martin over Lewan.

it's all smoke.

people are guessing. it might be martin, it might be one of those ten, or it might not be any of them.

if the giants are honestly leaking info about who they "like", shame on them.

I've heard Martin's name for some time as a target, and it's likely Raanan's source is Mike G, which bodes well for the info.

While that is correct, I suspect the info is sourced not from NYG brass, fwiw.

but I wouldn't be surprised if that's an accurate list. I would think their experience with Shockey has to have some effect when considering a TE that high with diva qualities...especially one who has noted issues with dropping passes due to concentration lapses. I'm also not convinced they've given up on Robinson as the kid did have a decent training camp and Pope suggested he had finally seen the light, then he got injured.

on both counts. Still would prefer Donald to Martin, but would be quite happy with a Martin pick.

luck out on Nicklas in Round 2 and it's a good start

In comment 11643592 JonC said:

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I've heard Martin's name for some time as a target, and it's likely Raanan's source is Mike G, which bodes well for the info.

the Giants are not sharing any information about who they want in their drafts with Mike Garafolo. Are you kidding me?

it's smoke...and the Giants have been loose-lipped on the players they like for well over a decade. It got better after Accorsi left, but the press still gets wind of who they like (everyone knew they liked Shockey and Nicks for example).

In comment 11643592 JonC said:

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I've heard Martin's name for some time as a target, and it's likely Raanan's source is Mike G, which bodes well for the info.

But that was the whole point of my thread last week that was dissed.

Totally reasonable to think Giants are interested in Martin among many interests. So you package up a bunch of names of interest that shock NO ONE with some other names of non-interest and release it somehow to the media. Who cares, as the overall list doesn't help anybody...

go from, "he'd be a very good pick, but not at 12" to "I suspect he's our pick at 12." Gotta love this board..:)

...of being clued into what the Giants draft preference is as we do.

The reason 'everyone around the league' knows the Giants are extremely high on Zack Martin is a simple one, he's a Justin Pugh clone, we don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to see that. The question you have to ask when analyzing that is...if Eric Fisher was available in last years draft would Pugh still have been the pick? Because in this class Fisher translates into Lewan.

As far as Ranaan making a 'Giants' value board based on what he hears from inside the war room??? is he claiming someone inside the organization is feeding him legit info? Anyone buy that for a second? Just say the truth, it's who he thinks the Giants covet. Every poster on BBI can write up their version and it's as valid as his.

you (Eric) knew about David Wilson half an hour before the pick, and some of the guys we've missed out on management has more or less confirmed that they liked.

In comment 11643594 JonC said:

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While that is correct, I suspect the info is sourced not from NYG brass, fwiw.

Then it really has no basis...

Martin. Solid prospect who offers us versatility.

They liked Pugh last year and Martin is supposed to be better than Pugh.. plus Martin is solid. 50 plus starts on the OL bodes well for durability.

You're talking about NYG brass ... the info likely didn't come from them, think about whom would have access to this info and might share with a beat writer they trust to an extent.

believed to be the pick by many especially after he made that visit to the Giants right before the draft. Garafolo picked that one I believe.

In comment 11643613 raever said:

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...of being clued into what the Giants draft preference is as we do. The reason 'everyone around the league' knows the Giants are extremely high on Zack Martin is a simple one, he's a Justin Pugh clone, we don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to see that. The question you have to ask when analyzing that is...if Eric Fisher was available in last years draft would Pugh still have been the pick? Because in this class Fisher translates into Lewan. Everything I've read suggests that Martin is a considerably better than Pugh, and that's not a knock on Justin. Similar height, sure. As far as Ranaan making a 'Giants' value board based on what he hears from inside the war room??? is he claiming someone inside the organization is feeding him legit info? Anyone buy that for a second? Just say the truth, it's who he thinks the Giants covet. Every poster on BBI can write up their version and it's as valid as his.

it isn't perfect, and these situations are always fluid.

too much Diva in him.. I dont see him as the next Vernon Davis or Jimmy Graham.... I see him being called SHEbron a lot in NY..

I can a stud wr.....dt or ol.....but safety would be odd....is haha that good?

Matthew would be great...Martin would be ok....but prefer Donald

....in quite some time. Is The Rug back as a consultant or something? WTF!!

Martin is not even close to being a Pugh clone. He's more talented and plays nastier. Most pro personnel people are comparing him to Logan Mankins.

In comment 11643619 JonC said:

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You're talking about NYG brass ... the info likely didn't come from them, think about whom would have access to this info and might share with a beat writer they trust to an extent.

Jon - none of us know if it came from them or not, or if the brass told one of their insiders to do a little talking and the Raanan ran with that and added a few other names that he "heard on the street" for which I can surmise might as well be BBI or the NFLN.

The list shocks nobody and helps no one other than Raanan sell papers...

Like to get him in 2...
IMO ...Barr is the best
Guy if there at 1 or Donald.
Barr has LT potential...
He could be what kiwi was
Supposed to be

In comment 11643608 Eric from BBI said:

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it's smoke...and the Giants have been loose-lipped on the players they like for well over a decade. It got better after Accorsi left, but the press still gets wind of who they like (everyone knew they liked Shockey and Nicks for example).

Eric I am curious why do you think that is? Are these beat writers guessing or do you think they have sources within the Giants org.?

Moore and Jpp..unstoppable

need help on the OL. Even though we had other issues, the OL basically ruined our season last year and didn't give us a chance compete.

We also can't afford a bust in the 1st round. Given that, I think Martin is a nice pick at 12. I'd rather ride with a young and physical OL with some questions marks at WR depth, rather than reach for a WR and have an OL injury or two at camp and be right back where we were last year.

can throw a name out there. they're fishing for reactions from the team brass, and if they get some, again, shame on the giants.

they may very well like martin a lot, and no I wouldn't be surprised if they chose him. that does not mean this source is now credible.

and being right about shockey and nicks might be a genuine leak, or it might be blind squirrels finding a nut. who knows. there is no "reveal" of draft boards after it's over to ever know for sure.

if Martin, Beckham Jr., Donald and Barr are all available at 12. Each represents a real need....OL, WR, top pass rusher...very interesting to see which direction they would go. The wild card would be Ha Ha given the Hill situation.

the BBI poll last night...
http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/ - ( New Window )

Suit yourself. I know where the info was likely sourced, of course, anyone with common sense would be able to surmise it could change over the next ten days, or never come to pass in the end.

But, I've heard the last four 1st round picks ahead of the draft and vetted all through Eric, for the record.

until watching some clips on him last night. His speed certainly jumps off the screen...esp at that size.

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they feel he's a high end 4-3 DE.

If it was Barr, they probably see him as a DE.

in order to guide the perception of their draft picks. There are a bunch of people beating the drum for Lewan and Ebron and if a guy like Martin is taken, you could see a negative outpouring from the fan base. By leaking this info, people have time to adjust to the idea of these players being passed over in favor of Martin.

I can remember when Jeff Lageman was picked by the Jets, the fan base went nuts, yet Lageman was a pretty good player compared to guys the fans wanted.

When Luke Petitgout was picked, fans went nuts because they wanted Aaron Gibson or LJ Shelton, yet Petitgout was better than both.

The front office may not have leaked this info but if they did, I can understand why.