(I guess) make the case that Rolle is on his way out and Hill is done so a potential need with be there. If his grade is through the roof, I think you have to seriously consider it.
I agree. We may not re-sign Rolle. Hill could be on his way out, and Brown signed a 1 year deal I believe. So we could easily draft Ha Ha and move him in.
Of course that's the draft philosophy - and that will be the thinking if they do draft him - but you could make that analysis/argument at 4 other critical positions on the team.
Art Stapletonþ@art_stapleton·49 secs
If OL they like isn't there + Ha Ha is ranked higher on their board than Ebron, could see it
Pete Damilatisþ@PFF_Pete
JR drafts a year ahead, and Cooper Taylor is the only S under contract past 2014. HHCD makes sense at 12.
Art Stapletonþ@art_stapleton·6 mins
Would not be shocked if Ha Ha is on #NYG board, not when you assess S position beyond 2014
Pete Damilatisþ@PFF_Pete·10 mins
I can't see Ha Ha Clinton-Dix falling past the Giants-Rams-Bears gauntlet at picks 12-14.
Pete Damilatisþ@PFF_Pete·4 mins
Giants have bigger immediate needs than S, but Jerry Reese always drafts for next yr. If Evans & Donald are gone, HHCD fits
Q-I can't imagine Ha Ha being BPA ahead of Matthews, Lewan, Donald, or Martin?"
Art Stapletonþ@art_stapleton·4 mins
All could be gone by 12
on the need list with Will Hill's situation, I'd love them drafting Calvin Pryor at 12. If Pryor is gone I think I'd move to the next position on the need list.
will we get Kenny Phillips (prior to his injuries) or get Shaun Williams (never lived up to the expectation)? I think #12 is a bit too high to go for a safety position when the players available aren't impact players (at least from what I've seen and read).
or is he mark barron? I don't care to draft mark barron at 12
That's a great question and I need to trust that the Giants have that answer. I know that nobody here can possibly have that answer.
My point was that, let's assume that's how the Giants view the best players on the board at the time....If so, can you not understand taking the safety despite it not being a position of need for us?
NYG uses so many three-safety packages, Will Hill is an unknown because of the drug issues, and Brown is coming off a serious injury on top of being overrated by fans of the team. Rolle may be gone at the end of the year.
There is as much instability at the position as anywhere on the roster and safety is not a spot where you want to be weak.
I understand that he's been the beneficiary of some bad throws, but he's proven to be a playmaker. I don't see anyone on bbi touting him as some great safety, but he's certainly a starting caliber safety when healthy. Not to mention, the Giants seem to want him back as they've made it a point to sign him each of the past 2 seasons.
but from what I saw I wasn't thrilled with his run defense.
One thing I love about Will Hill is his downhill attacking style, his wraps guys up and drives them to the turf. Dix seems to go for big hits when he can but it's more like Asante Samuel going for a big hit rather than a true thumper.
I prefer Calvin Pryor. He's a much better run defender and open field tackler. He also has the ability to be a cover safety. Though, if you're looking for a center fielder, at this point Clinton-Dix is the better player in that respect.
because we never have enough good LB's. Has that changed?
It did last year once Beason became acclimated.
Look at Mundy's snap count once Beason was entrenched as a starter. This did coincide with Will Hill returning (a couple games later), but the point is they had three healthy active safeties, only one of them saw far less snaps.
Not sure if that's because of Beason or Mundy. I like to think Beason.
I'd rather see that than Ebron or Evans. They could use a good Â
safety for next year for sure. And possibly this year if Hill is really gone. Brown has to be a ? at this point health-wise, and he really isn't an every down Safety, more of a situational ball hawk type.
I think Brown is a very good player, very good. But he isn't a guy I am basing first round draft decisions around. Add the fact that Hill and Rolle could very well be gone after 2014....Clinton Dix or Pryor would be good selections at 12.
Of course that's the draft philosophy - and that will be the thinking if they do draft him - but you could make that analysis/argument at 4 other critical positions on the team.
I just disagree that you don't necessarily hyper-focus on the positions you reference at 12 because I'd rather have #12 value if BPA is far and above any positions of need.
Later on the value of players becomes closer together and you can focus on need more.
I think Brown is a very good player, very good. But he isn't a guy I am basing first round draft decisions around. Add the fact that Hill and Rolle could very well be gone after 2014....Clinton Dix or Pryor would be good selections at 12.
Fair enough. Can't disagree at all. I'd have liked them to extend Rolle at this point, but it's quite possible that they can't(Rolle won't or is asking for too much).
there is a ton of pressure on Reese and Coughlin this year.
This offense is in dire need of an influx of talent....TE,WR,OL and RB. A safety doesn't make sense to me this early in the draft. An Aaron Donald pick is different....he is an "impact" player. If they go Defense, it has to be a dlineman.
No Ha-Ha's at 12 this year. The offensive line was a complete and total abomination last year. Therefore, Reese will do what he is told this year.
I think this is probably true, but wouldn't be stunned if Dix is the pick. As others have said, this is probably the last year for Rolle, Hill is likely gone right now, Brown is less than a year removed from an ACL tear, and Taylor is unproven. Dix is the highest rated safety by most, so his selection could be viewed as a confluence of value and need. He also has good range and cover ability, which is important in a division with TEs like Witten, etc.
I understand that he's been the beneficiary of some bad throws, but he's proven to be a playmaker. I don't see anyone on bbi touting him as some great safety, but he's certainly a starting caliber safety when healthy. Not to mention, the Giants seem to want him back as they've made it a point to sign him each of the past 2 seasons.
On two of interceptions he was basically standing in the right. I think he even joked about standing around while Rolle forced a turnover.
by signing the players he did gave himself the freedom to draft either side of the ball.
Basically he added a LG and a C, and tackle depth if Beatty can't be fixed.
Forcing an OL pick really limits the options.
So yeah the team needs a WR and TE, but those don't have to come in the first round, plus they added some insurance at WR for Cruz, Randle, Jernigan with Manningham.
Reese has given himself flexibility. And that's what you look for when drafting.
The Giants can draft a S if they feel the player there represents the most value given the priority if team needs.
But I think Pryor fits in more with that the Giants like to do. Dix is strictly a center fielder. Which is not in itself bad. Plus Rolle is getting up there, Brown is coming off a bad injury, and Demps is more of a backup.
I think Mr. Mara was also referring to the cupboard being bare.... Â
I don't understand the love affair with him. He's not a good tackler, especially in space which is why I don't think he's on the Giants radar. He's also rail thin and you have to worry about him holding up all season. But outside of tracking someone on a fly route he's not good in coverage either. He looks lost to me at times. How can you be the top safety in the draft and you only had 4 pass deflections for the season? That's pathetic. I've yet to see a game where I though Clinton-Dix will be a pro bowler. That's what I want with the #12 pick.
I mentioned in a post awhile ago that when I look at 1st round safeties I set the bar with Earl Thomas, someone who had skill to play both corner and safety. Someone who could tackle and cover. Someone who was a leader and could be a captain of your secondary. I wanted Thomas in the worst way that year before Seattle traded right before us to take him at #14. Since then he's gone to 3 pro bowls, has been named All-Pro 3 times and hasn't turned 25 yet. That's the kind of safety you draft at #12 and there is no safety in this class worth that.
Clinton Dix isn't among the top 5 safeties in this class to me nor was he the best safety on his team imo. We'll see what happens next week but please let him be someone else's problem.
if a safety is their highest rated player on the board at 12 Â
Ha Ha is the best safety of a poor safety class, like Ebron is the best TE of a poor TE class. Just 'cause both are the best at their position, that doesn't mean they should be taken #12.
We're going to pick somebody who can keep Eli off his ass. Capiche?
And that has to be done in the 1st round because...
because their attempt to rebuild the line with mid-round picks over the past 5 years has been disastrous. Now they have to invest premium picks in OLs who can play right away. They have no time to develop them anymore. Pugh was a great start. They need more. Only 2/5 of the OL is a sure thing at this point. If Pugh or Schwartz get hurt they are in trouble.
But rounds two and three are considered premium picks, too. If the Giants go defense in round one, or a skill position, they could still go O-Line on day two. Although I wouldn't be surprised if a guy like Zack Martin was the pick at 12, I think JR has done enough in free agency to give himself some leeway in round one.
I just don't think Dix is thought of that way. Obviously no one knows, but he's not getting the can't miss pub we'd normally see for a S at the top half of rd 1.
Everyone would take Ed Reed at 12, but is he Ed Reed?
Interesting question Eric? As a long-time proponent of the notion that teams (or at least the good ones) don't draft positions they draft players it has always puzzled me a tad why so many fans get so hung up on particular positions. In the end I suspect it is because the avearge fan in the street tends to ask a different question than NFL personnel people do. The average fan tends to ask the question 'how do we get better? and answers it by looking at the team and identifying the weakest position with the notion that the fastest way for the team to get better is to upgrade the weakest position. In contrast, while teams obviously want to improve weak areas, I suspect that going into a draft the more important question quality NFL teams ask themselves is 'which player gets us closest to getting to the Super Bowl!' which can be upgrading a weak area but isn't necessarily the case. The other question teams ask themselves with premium picks is 'what we can get with this pick that we aren't likely to get either in later rounds or in free agency.' And the early rounds are by far the most likely place to find impact players at impact positions. Just over a week to go.
What Has He Done For The OLine? Schwartz Is A Journey Man And Brown And Jerry Are Scrubs. Do You Recall The Last Game Of The Season When Our Franchise QB went Down With A High Ankle Sprain (Which He Still Hasn't Recovered From)? And It Was A Total Miracle That He Wasn't Hurt Sooner Behind That Garbage Line.
What Has He Done For The OLine? Schwartz Is A Journey Man And Brown And Jerry Are Scrubs. Do You Recall The Last Game Of The Season When Our Franchise QB went Down With A High Ankle Sprain (Which He Still Hasn't Recovered From)? And It Was A Total Miracle That He Wasn't Hurt Sooner Behind That Garbage Line.
And the C that he signed hasn't played for 2 years
Wed to a position or not, does Dix make the plays worthy of #12?
It's not about position, its about the player. I don't think Clinton Dix can cover. I'm on my third cut up of him.. he'd decent in the box..not great in coverage at all. I prefer Eric Reid in a much weaker draft class.
two superbowls with a line that has a 2nd round pick as the highest drafted o-lineman I think you earn the benefit of the doubt from your fan base of NOT having to use first round picks in back to back years to build an o-line.
Cofield (a DT obviously) was a 4th round pick who started from day 1. David Diehl was a 5th round pick (on the OL) who started from day 1 and there are hundreds more examples from around the league.
But for some reason the BBI draft pundits feel like Reese has no choice but to use first round pick, the highest the franchise has had in a decade, on an OL?
If Reese drafts an OL great I hope he's a stalwart on the line for the next 12 years, but if not, I'm not crying the sky is falling.
pjcas18, you are right about how the 2 SB lines were built. I have Â
written that JR has tried the same approach, but the players he acquired weren't as good. Where Ernie A drafted Diehl in Rd 5, Snee in Rd2, signed McKenzie and OHara as FAs and got Suebert as a UDFA, Reese drafted Beatty in Rd2, Mosely, McCants and Brewer in Rds 4-6 and signed Baas as his biggest FA. Of that group, only Beatty has a chance to work out, and a slim one at that. Ernie's acquisitions look a helluva a lot better. That is why JR has to use high picks now.
and you don't know if these guys have worked out or not.
I hate harping on the example, but McCants stunk here for whatever reason, he goes to Oakland and he suddenly learned how to play? He's not an all-pro, but he was a capable starter.
The OL doesn't need 5 all-pro's, they need to simply be competent. until a time presents itself when the best interest of the team is upgrading those players.
Like I said, if Reese drafts Martin or Lewan at 12, great, my only point is he doesn't have to.
If he drafts Ebron or Evans at 12, and then in the 2nd gets Yankey or cyrus kouandjio (or plug in whoever) I'll be fine with that too. If the Giants draft Donald at 12 and cyrus kouandjio in the 2nd great - I'd be happy.
But for some reason the BBI draft pundits feel like Reese has no choice but to use first round pick, the highest the franchise has had in a decade, on an OL?
Agree with this 100%.
We all expect not to pick this high for at least the rest of the Eli era; BPA all the way.
Eric: I think we agree pretty much 100%. My point would be if the Giants think Clinton-Dix is a potentially special talent with ball-hawking ability then he has a chance to be the pick. However I would be very surprised if even started to look at him simply because they felt they might have an issue at the position in 2015! Certainly what we hear is that a lot of teams like and more than one team ahead of the Giants at least has him on their short list. One of the other questions that NFL teams ask themselves is 'what do we get if this guy plays to his physical potential' and in the case of HHCD the answer is you get a good solid steady NFL starter, but personally I don't see anything particularly special there, but time (or at least 8 days will tell.)
and you don't know if these guys have worked out or not.
I hate harping on the example, but McCants stunk here for whatever reason, he goes to Oakland and he suddenly learned how to play? He's not an all-pro, but he was a capable starter.
Mentioned Pugh in the 10:45 that you replied to as a great start.
The OL doesn't need 5 all-pro's, they need to simply be competent. until a time presents itself when the best interest of the team is upgrading those players.
Like I said, if Reese drafts Martin or Lewan at 12, great, my only point is he doesn't have to.
If he drafts Ebron or Evans at 12, and then in the 2nd gets Yankey or cyrus kouandjio (or plug in whoever) I'll be fine with that too. If the Giants draft Donald at 12 and cyrus kouandjio in the 2nd great - I'd be happy.
I agree with you that in this draft the OL depth is there in Rd 2 and 3 after reading Sy's analysis. But I think if they are faced with 2 guys of equal ranking in Rd 1 they should opt for the OL.
if two guys are equally ranked then you might be right, they view OL as the priority and will pick that way.
I have no issue with that.
My only issue is if the Giants have Evans or Ebron or Donald, or whoever (not an OL) as their highest rated players - all at positions of need, they should take them and not settle for the best available OL.
I think Brown is a very good player, very good. But he isn't a guy I am basing first round draft decisions around. Add the fact that Hill and Rolle could very well be gone after 2014....Clinton Dix or Pryor would be good selections at 12.
Sy, you said in your earlier post that Brown is overrated by the fans. That is what kmed asked you about. You then go on to say that he is very good (twice). How freakin good do you think the fans think he is? Again, if he is very good, as are your words, how's he overrated by the fans?
is a little bit overrated because of the picks. he was never intended to start, but because of KP's injuries he was forced into the lineup and wound up with a ton of picks.
I'm not sure that's sustainable and he's not great in run support (comparatively speaking to Will Hill or Kenny Phillips). Giants safeties don't have traditional SS/FS roles in Fewell's D (as I understand it).
so as a 3rd safety I like Brown, especially in dime coverage, as an opening day starter, I like him a lot less than some.
is not special. I have convictions. Yes, the Giants have a scouting staff and access to coaches tape.. so I would find a way to like the pick. From what I've seen, now three games into it.. nothing special. This is not Chancellor or Thomas or Eric Reid for that matter.
What Has He Done For The OLine? Schwartz Is A Journey Man And Brown And Jerry Are Scrubs. Do You Recall The Last Game Of The Season When Our Franchise QB went Down With A High Ankle Sprain (Which He Still Hasn't Recovered From)? And It Was A Total Miracle That He Wasn't Hurt Sooner Behind That Garbage Line.
And That Still Doesn't Answer My Question, Which Was Why The O-Line Has To Be Addressed In The First Round? If You Can Get A Top-Tier Defender There, You Still Have Two More Premium Picks (Plus Four More Not-So-Premium Ones) To Spend On The O-Line.
Apparently the Ravens are in need of saftey this year and have an extra third round pick. I could see them offering us a third round pick (non-comp one)to move down to 12. We would still get a very good player at 17 and the extra 3rd would go along way to rebuilding the team.
unless he turns out to be the next coming of Ronnie Lott or Ed Reed, which is pretty unlikely.
There are plenty of other high quality guys who will be available and would help more than Dix, a somewhat over-rated Safety.
How many DBs can they possibly carry anyway? How many Safeties can they play at one time? Does Fewell have a new 6 Safety alignment ready to unveil? DB is probably the strongest unit overall on the team right now, and Rolle isn't going anywhere until he can't play any more.
Fix the OL. Strengthen the DL. Get Eli another receiving weapon at WR or TE. Or trade down to add picks. There will be lots of choices that would be preferable to another DB.
RE: Or we could get a Top-Tier O-lineman in the first round Â
Your lists of top players we can draft #12 are interesting in that 1) We don't need corners so drop off Gilbert/Dennard, 2) Ebron doesn't block so he's not worth a #12 pick, Barr has potential but is a better fit for the 3-4 and will struggle against the run as a 4-3 DE, and Shazier and some of these other will be lucky to get picked in round 1 at all.
How do these guys all move up everyone's boards with no workouts, games, Combine activity to make them move? It's ridiculous. Martin will not go in the top 10. Period. I like him, but he is a 15-20 pick in this draft. It would not be the worst thing in the world to take him at 12 given Evans could bust.
but this year is different. The oline was terrible last year, and I have no faith in 3 of the five positions. Eli is the key. He makes so much money, to not support him is flushing it down the toilet. We live or die with Eli so he has to be protected. I'd draft oline in the first three rounds if I had players I liked. This draft if the grades are the same we have to take the olineman.
If OL they like isn't there + Ha Ha is ranked higher on their board than Ebron, could see it
Pete Damilatisþ@PFF_Pete
JR drafts a year ahead, and Cooper Taylor is the only S under contract past 2014. HHCD makes sense at 12.
Art Stapletonþ@art_stapleton·6 mins
Would not be shocked if Ha Ha is on #NYG board, not when you assess S position beyond 2014
Pete Damilatisþ@PFF_Pete·10 mins
I can't see Ha Ha Clinton-Dix falling past the Giants-Rams-Bears gauntlet at picks 12-14.
Pete Damilatisþ@PFF_Pete·4 mins
Giants have bigger immediate needs than S, but Jerry Reese always drafts for next yr. If Evans & Donald are gone, HHCD fits
Q-I can't imagine Ha Ha being BPA ahead of Matthews, Lewan, Donald, or Martin?"
Art Stapletonþ@art_stapleton·4 mins
All could be gone by 12
Troy Palamalu, Justin Pugh, Jordy Nelson, Jeremy Shockey, Linval Joseph.
Are you not taking Ed Reed just because you have other needs a little higher?
That's a great question and I need to trust that the Giants have that answer. I know that nobody here can possibly have that answer.
My point was that, let's assume that's how the Giants view the best players on the board at the time....If so, can you not understand taking the safety despite it not being a position of need for us?
-chris r
The BPAs that will be available at 12 will ALSO fill a big need, specifically OL, DL and WR
That being said, Dix is a daunting defender but I don't see the Giants taking him over the other guys that will likely be there. We'll see.
There is as much instability at the position as anywhere on the roster and safety is not a spot where you want to be weak.
One thing I love about Will Hill is his downhill attacking style, his wraps guys up and drives them to the turf. Dix seems to go for big hits when he can but it's more like Asante Samuel going for a big hit rather than a true thumper.
I prefer Calvin Pryor. He's a much better run defender and open field tackler. He also has the ability to be a cover safety. Though, if you're looking for a center fielder, at this point Clinton-Dix is the better player in that respect.
It did last year once Beason became acclimated.
Look at Mundy's snap count once Beason was entrenched as a starter. This did coincide with Will Hill returning (a couple games later), but the point is they had three healthy active safeties, only one of them saw far less snaps.
Not sure if that's because of Beason or Mundy. I like to think Beason.
Later on the value of players becomes closer together and you can focus on need more.
Fair enough. Can't disagree at all. I'd have liked them to extend Rolle at this point, but it's quite possible that they can't(Rolle won't or is asking for too much).
there is a ton of pressure on Reese and Coughlin this year.
This offense is in dire need of an influx of talent....TE,WR,OL and RB. A safety doesn't make sense to me this early in the draft. An Aaron Donald pick is different....he is an "impact" player. If they go Defense, it has to be a dlineman.
I think this is probably true, but wouldn't be stunned if Dix is the pick. As others have said, this is probably the last year for Rolle, Hill is likely gone right now, Brown is less than a year removed from an ACL tear, and Taylor is unproven. Dix is the highest rated safety by most, so his selection could be viewed as a confluence of value and need. He also has good range and cover ability, which is important in a division with TEs like Witten, etc.
On two of interceptions he was basically standing in the right. I think he even joked about standing around while Rolle forced a turnover.
Basically he added a LG and a C, and tackle depth if Beatty can't be fixed.
Forcing an OL pick really limits the options.
So yeah the team needs a WR and TE, but those don't have to come in the first round, plus they added some insurance at WR for Cruz, Randle, Jernigan with Manningham.
Reese has given himself flexibility. And that's what you look for when drafting.
The Giants can draft a S if they feel the player there represents the most value given the priority if team needs.
I think Mara was mainly referring to deeply departed OC, TE coach and RB coach.
I mentioned in a post awhile ago that when I look at 1st round safeties I set the bar with Earl Thomas, someone who had skill to play both corner and safety. Someone who could tackle and cover. Someone who was a leader and could be a captain of your secondary. I wanted Thomas in the worst way that year before Seattle traded right before us to take him at #14. Since then he's gone to 3 pro bowls, has been named All-Pro 3 times and hasn't turned 25 yet. That's the kind of safety you draft at #12 and there is no safety in this class worth that.
Clinton Dix isn't among the top 5 safeties in this class to me nor was he the best safety on his team imo. We'll see what happens next week but please let him be someone else's problem.
Unless of course they already plan on this being Eli's last contract with the team.
And that has to be done in the 1st round because...
Quote:
We're going to pick somebody who can keep Eli off his ass. Capiche?
And that has to be done in the 1st round because...
because their attempt to rebuild the line with mid-round picks over the past 5 years has been disastrous. Now they have to invest premium picks in OLs who can play right away. They have no time to develop them anymore. Pugh was a great start. They need more. Only 2/5 of the OL is a sure thing at this point. If Pugh or Schwartz get hurt they are in trouble.
What makes great teams great is having great players.
Each team only has a few at most.
If we draft a guy who turns into an All Pro, does it really matter what position he plays at?
Everyone would take Ed Reed at 12, but is he Ed Reed?
I'm leaning heavily towards OL at both 12 and 43 and value seems to match up.
Martin & Bitonio.
Depends on who you ask and what type of safety you want.
And the C that he signed hasn't played for 2 years
It's not about position, its about the player. I don't think Clinton Dix can cover. I'm on my third cut up of him.. he'd decent in the box..not great in coverage at all. I prefer Eric Reid in a much weaker draft class.
Cofield (a DT obviously) was a 4th round pick who started from day 1. David Diehl was a 5th round pick (on the OL) who started from day 1 and there are hundreds more examples from around the league.
But for some reason the BBI draft pundits feel like Reese has no choice but to use first round pick, the highest the franchise has had in a decade, on an OL?
If Reese drafts an OL great I hope he's a stalwart on the line for the next 12 years, but if not, I'm not crying the sky is falling.
Well, Way became the best FB in the NFL and arguably the best player on a pretty talent-starved team.
What if the Giants think a safety has a chance to be the next Ronnie Lott or Ed Reed? (I know that's not realistic, but you get my point).
and you don't know if these guys have worked out or not.
I hate harping on the example, but McCants stunk here for whatever reason, he goes to Oakland and he suddenly learned how to play? He's not an all-pro, but he was a capable starter.
The OL doesn't need 5 all-pro's, they need to simply be competent. until a time presents itself when the best interest of the team is upgrading those players.
Like I said, if Reese drafts Martin or Lewan at 12, great, my only point is he doesn't have to.
If he drafts Ebron or Evans at 12, and then in the 2nd gets Yankey or cyrus kouandjio (or plug in whoever) I'll be fine with that too. If the Giants draft Donald at 12 and cyrus kouandjio in the 2nd great - I'd be happy.
But for some reason the BBI draft pundits feel like Reese has no choice but to use first round pick, the highest the franchise has had in a decade, on an OL?
Agree with this 100%.
We all expect not to pick this high for at least the rest of the Eli era; BPA all the way.
I will bet that that it will be one of those positions drafted in the first round.
and you don't know if these guys have worked out or not.
I hate harping on the example, but McCants stunk here for whatever reason, he goes to Oakland and he suddenly learned how to play? He's not an all-pro, but he was a capable starter.
Mentioned Pugh in the 10:45 that you replied to as a great start.
The OL doesn't need 5 all-pro's, they need to simply be competent. until a time presents itself when the best interest of the team is upgrading those players.
Like I said, if Reese drafts Martin or Lewan at 12, great, my only point is he doesn't have to.
If he drafts Ebron or Evans at 12, and then in the 2nd gets Yankey or cyrus kouandjio (or plug in whoever) I'll be fine with that too. If the Giants draft Donald at 12 and cyrus kouandjio in the 2nd great - I'd be happy.
I agree with you that in this draft the OL depth is there in Rd 2 and 3 after reading Sy's analysis. But I think if they are faced with 2 guys of equal ranking in Rd 1 they should opt for the OL.
I have no issue with that.
My only issue is if the Giants have Evans or Ebron or Donald, or whoever (not an OL) as their highest rated players - all at positions of need, they should take them and not settle for the best available OL.
That's it.
Sy, you said in your earlier post that Brown is overrated by the fans. That is what kmed asked you about. You then go on to say that he is very good (twice). How freakin good do you think the fans think he is? Again, if he is very good, as are your words, how's he overrated by the fans?
I'm not sure that's sustainable and he's not great in run support (comparatively speaking to Will Hill or Kenny Phillips). Giants safeties don't have traditional SS/FS roles in Fewell's D (as I understand it).
so as a 3rd safety I like Brown, especially in dime coverage, as an opening day starter, I like him a lot less than some.
And That Still Doesn't Answer My Question, Which Was Why The O-Line Has To Be Addressed In The First Round? If You Can Get A Top-Tier Defender There, You Still Have Two More Premium Picks (Plus Four More Not-So-Premium Ones) To Spend On The O-Line.
The possibilities are mind-blowing...
There are plenty of other high quality guys who will be available and would help more than Dix, a somewhat over-rated Safety.
How many DBs can they possibly carry anyway? How many Safeties can they play at one time? Does Fewell have a new 6 Safety alignment ready to unveil? DB is probably the strongest unit overall on the team right now, and Rolle isn't going anywhere until he can't play any more.
Fix the OL. Strengthen the DL. Get Eli another receiving weapon at WR or TE. Or trade down to add picks. There will be lots of choices that would be preferable to another DB.
The possibilities are mind-blowing...
Damn Right. We Could Get A Top-Tier Skill Player, Too, And Then Upgrade The O-Line. We'll Just Have To See How Things Shake Out.
He is not the worst thing in the world at 12
He is fine at 15.
Do I have this piece of genius correct?