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I love Zack Martin but not at 12

Lowell.. : 5/5/2014 11:00 am
ZM is an extremely safe bet, imo. Watching him in the Senior Bowl I was impressed with his excellent technique and dominance at both left tackle and left guard. He appears to be a plug and play prospect with real pro bowl possibilities.

Still, I wouldn't pick him at 12. He doesn't represent great value there and may actually be overvalued there given the exceptional overall depth of the draft. The 12 spot is likely to be coveted by teams looking to trade up. Ozzie Newsome said he's already received numerous calls regarding the 17th pick so it's reasonable to think the 12 pick is in high demand.

By trading down to the last third of round one the Giants could use the first three picks and end up with:

1) A talented wide receiver who can stretch the field. Virtually any receiver at this point is going to be outstanding value compared to receiver classes of prior years owing to the once in a lifetime depth of this receiver class. Take your pick of 8-10 guys at the end of round one or top to middle of round two.

2.A good receiving tight end like Amaro or ASF or a more complete one like Niklas.

3. A good lineman: Bitonio, Moses, J.James, Sua-Filo, maybe Cyrus K.

By trading down from 12 and using the extra pick, we could fill three needs with quality prospects. I'm assuming that JR will hold out for a deal he can't refuse that will give him an extra second rounder without dropping too far in the first round. Btw, the trade value charts circulated on the Internet are besides the point when someone wants to trade up badly enough.

I would apply this strategy to other possibilities like Donald, Barr and Lewan that might be available at 12. However, if by chance, Watkins, J. Matthews, or Evans were there at 12, it might be better to take one of them.

Thoughts?
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I'd be very happy with that pick  
RobCarpenter : 5/5/2014 3:10 pm : link
The Giants' OL was a complete and utter disaster last year. Especially the interior of the line, where Martin can help immediately.

How does Martin  
CromartiesKid21 : 5/5/2014 3:13 pm : link
compare to high OG picks in past years...Warmack and DeCastro? Warmack was the #10 overall pick in the '11 draft which has been the worst in years so his slot selection might have been skewed
Warmack  
MookGiants : 5/5/2014 3:34 pm : link
was in the '13 draft.
Sorry meant '13  
CromartiesKid21 : 5/5/2014 3:49 pm : link
which was the terrible draft strength wise i was referring to
Martins value is in the 2nd round  
#10* : 5/5/2014 4:34 pm : link
The Giants offense needs to move the ball on 3rd down. An extra 3 seconds in the pocket with our current core is a toss up. Eli needs a security blanket.
Huh?  
Jimmy Googs : 5/5/2014 4:43 pm : link
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There are sexier potential picks than Martin...  
Torrag : 5/5/2014 4:50 pm : link
it comes down to this...do the Giants value his versatility enough to spend the teams highest draft pick in a decade(Eli for Rivers). Remember this is a prospect some feel isn't an elite LT prospect and might not stick there in the NFL. He's been a 4 year LT for the Fighting Irish so If that is the case he'll be projecting to a position he's never played. That is a risk in and of itself. I guess it all comes down to what the Giants think of him and whoever else is on the board.

Strategically and philosophically I'd prefer to draft a guy that can excel for our offensive line and stabilize that group. Eli is the franchise and as the ankle proves he isn't getting less injury prone as he ages. Buty it has to be the right guy or I'd look elsewhere. I'll leave it up to JR and the Giants braintrust to do the right thing.
MookGiants  
Klaatu : 5/5/2014 5:18 pm : link
Mitchell Schwartz, Sebastian Vollmer, Phil Loadholt...all 2nd Round picks who started as rookies. It's not unheard of.
Klaatu  
MookGiants : 5/5/2014 5:20 pm : link
of course it isn't unheard of, but it's unlikely and the chances of a guy starting is better if he's a 1st rounder than a 2nd rounder. I'm very worried about this o-line, they are right now as it stands very reliant on JD Walton who hasnt played since 2012, Chris Snee who looks shot physically, and Beatty being healthy and bouncing back and having a good year. That's scary to me
It's scary to me, too, especially when it comes to Walton.  
Klaatu : 5/5/2014 5:23 pm : link
However, I just don't buy into having to absolutely, positively use a 1st Round pick on an O-Lineman. If it happens, fine, but I won't lose any sleep if it doesn't...not if the Giants opt for a top-tier defender or offensive skill player.
well  
MookGiants : 5/5/2014 5:24 pm : link
I wouldn't just take an o-lineman to take one, if the top 4 are gone then you obviously have to take someone else. But if one of those 4 are there I would be pretty disappointed if they went another direction. I could see maybe if Evans if still on the board justifying it
One thing about Snee.  
Klaatu : 5/5/2014 5:32 pm : link
He may be penciled in as a starter, but the operative word is "penciled" because he can easily be erased. I forget which talking head said it the other night, but the comment was something about a pay cut being the first step out the door. I figure Schwartz will end up at RG sooner rather than later.
that's another  
MookGiants : 5/5/2014 6:58 pm : link
reason why I want to take an OL early. Snee right now is penciled in as starter simply because the depth behind him is non-existant.
the  
blue42 : 5/5/2014 10:30 pm : link
value of a guy who can play all five positions when you have guys at all five positions with medical issues is just so obvious.Sure, he can only play one at a time but the value is
just to high to ignore.
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