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Peter King says the Giants will "pounce"

Headhunter : 5/6/2014 12:19 pm
on Zack Martin. Peter King has his fan's and detractors here, so have at it
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Pugh wasn't predictable but his position was.  
Curtis in VA : 5/6/2014 12:37 pm : link
Most had them taking DJ Fluker but he was gone by the time the Giants picked Pugh.
predictable picks off the top of my head...  
Hades07 : 5/6/2014 12:37 pm : link
Dwayne, Shockey, Phillips, JPP, Derek Brown, Michael Strahan

Eli, not the manner but everyone knew he was the guy they were after

Ross, Nicks, Allen and Joseph; not the player but everyone knew the position those years.

I'm sure I am missing a couple.
Dan -  
Exit 172 : 5/6/2014 12:38 pm : link
Exactly. It's easy to look back in hindsight and think the Giants' recent 1st-round picks were sensible, non-shocking picks. But in the days leading up to all those recent drafts, none of those guys were the predictable picks for the Giants.
regarding Martin  
Bones : 5/6/2014 12:38 pm : link
I just think one of the teams below us (Miami) jumps up ahead of us (Detroit) to take him.
A lot easier to predict at 12  
PEEJ : 5/6/2014 12:40 pm : link
than 20. There are 5-6 guys at the top who will be gone and a relatively small group that will be in play for the Giants. Martin is obviously in that group.
That was supposed to be Dayne, not Dwayne  
Hades07 : 5/6/2014 12:41 pm : link
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if they hadn't taken Pugh last year I'd think this was even more likel  
chris r : 5/6/2014 12:41 pm : link
I suspect they might be resistant to taking two OLs back to back.
"That requires a first round OT"  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/6/2014 12:42 pm : link
That's an unwritten rule if I've ever heard one.

Fun bit of trivia related to this:

The Giants have played the Patriots in the super bowl twice in the past 7 years.

Only 2 First-round offensive linemen were involved.

In the 2013 super bowl, only 1 First-round offensive lineman was involved.
Peter King has more hedges than the average suburb  
Greg from LI : 5/6/2014 12:43 pm : link
Good column. Lofty column. Makes me want to meet Mitch Puin for lunch at Toone P. Wiggins.
^^^^  
PEEJ : 5/6/2014 12:44 pm : link
interesting point.

I wonder , if the Giants have target cap allocations. Granted, you have two quality OL for 5 years, but could they afford to keep both of them when their 2nd contract needs to get done? Re-signing both might put stress on the cap and an overly high allocation to OL.
RE: It's not so much that we need an OT to win games. We need an OT  
muhajir : 5/6/2014 12:48 pm : link
In comment 11656708 Marty in Albany said:
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to keep Eli upright so that we can win games. That requires a first round OT. As the article implies, this is not rocket surgery.


It's either rocket science or Brian surgery.. you have to choose.
Isn't Prince the only real surprise pick  
Mason : 5/6/2014 12:57 pm : link
He was high on their board, not a real position of need at the time for a 1st round pick and they expected him to be long gone. Truly BPA selection. Turns out to be one of Reese best decisions with what happened to Thomas and Webster. I'm never going to knock the BPA approach.
Drafting Martin #12  
CromartiesKid21 : 5/6/2014 1:00 pm : link
overall to be a Guard would make his next contract will be prohibitive.
If  
CromartiesKid21 : 5/6/2014 1:02 pm : link
he is as solid as he's supposed to be, Giants will have to pay a ton to keep him...I really dont see the value in drafting a Guard to early. Much rather lock in a cost prohibitive position in FA to a 4-5 year deal thanks to owning the #12 pick.
Id be all over ODB or Donald at #12.
Players like those do not ever hit the FA Market or cost a ton to woo and sign.
RE: If  
arcarsenal : 5/6/2014 1:06 pm : link
In comment 11656789 CromartiesKid21 said:
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he is as solid as he's supposed to be, Giants will have to pay a ton to keep him...I really dont see the value in drafting a Guard to early. Much rather lock in a cost prohibitive position in FA to a 4-5 year deal thanks to owning the #12 pick.
Id be all over ODB or Donald at #12.
Players like those do not ever hit the FA Market or cost a ton to woo and sign.


Did we not just lose Linval Joseph to FA?
one can only hope PK is right.  
Victor in CT : 5/6/2014 1:12 pm : link
............
are people around here  
djm : 5/6/2014 1:12 pm : link
really convinced that everyone absolutely knew for certain who the Giants would pick in round 1, every year? Seriously?

A stopped watch is right twice a day. Just because you guessed right doesn't mean you knew anything. And that includes the media.

Wilson was brought to our attn seconds before the pick and even that whole supposed piece of inside info is questionable to me. For weeks everyone said no way does NY take a rb. Then they take one and everyone just knew that pick was coming. No. Just Pugh? lol...NO. No one saw that coming. JPP? No. Prince? No.

No one knows anything. No one knew anything. That's reality.

We may know the type of player the Giants like in round 1. The evidence over the past 10 years is pretty cut n dried. That's where the know it ends.
IMO Kenny Phillips is the only 1st rounder in the Reese era  
mfsd : 5/6/2014 1:32 pm : link
who was pretty well predicted
My $ is on Ebron  
BigBlueBull : 5/6/2014 1:32 pm : link
Think he fits the bill for Reese as a #1 pick.
And so they should  
Phil in LA : 5/6/2014 1:36 pm : link
but I have a feeling it will be a playmaker, probably OBjr.
people here predicted the Wilson pick  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/6/2014 1:37 pm : link
around the time the draft was going live.
DJM...  
Jimmy Googs : 5/6/2014 1:38 pm : link
In comment 11656815 djm said:
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Just because you guessed right doesn't mean you knew anything. And that includes the media.



Right on, brother.
If Mike Evans is gone I dont have a huge problem with it  
#10* : 5/6/2014 1:50 pm : link
but my problem is this, there will be olineman in the 2nd and 3rd rounds that would be nice pickups and if we pass on playmakers or even trading up for a playmaker I think we miss an opportunity to get a special player.

Zach Martin has pushed from 3rd round to possible top ten in 6 months. Would we have drafted Snee this high. If they draft Martin this high that should mean they would like him to play OT. Otherwise why not trade up for Jake Matthews.
Pounce on Zack Martin...  
ghost718 : 5/6/2014 1:55 pm : link
That's not a good word to use,makes it sound like the Giants can barely control themselves.

More realistic is Jerry bangs his fist on the draft war room table 3 times,smacks Ross in the back of the head,and calls in the pick.
It all boils down to how many QBs picked before Giants  
NNJ Tom : 5/6/2014 2:12 pm : link
0 or 1, Martin should be there, OK with pick.
2 One of the better OTs should be there or TE. This is where Reese earns his money.
3 Everyone above plus maybe Evans should be available. Best case for Giants.


This is based on running draft simulator about 200 times with the various draft boards.

RE: are people around here  
NYBEN : 5/6/2014 2:44 pm : link
In comment 11656815 djm said:
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really convinced that everyone absolutely knew for certain who the Giants would pick in round 1, every year? Seriously?

A stopped watch is right twice a day. Just because you guessed right doesn't mean you knew anything. And that includes the media.

Wilson was brought to our attn seconds before the pick and even that whole supposed piece of inside info is questionable to me. For weeks everyone said no way does NY take a rb. Then they take one and everyone just knew that pick was coming. No. Just Pugh? lol...NO. No one saw that coming. JPP? No. Prince? No.

No one knows anything. No one knew anything. That's reality.

We may know the type of player the Giants like in round 1. The evidence over the past 10 years is pretty cut n dried. That's where the know it ends.


We need a "LIKE" button on this site
That's why mock drafts  
InTikiITrust : 5/6/2014 2:48 pm : link
are really the smartest thing anyone has ever done. They don't matter, yet people go NUTS over them.
that's like pouncing on the fat chick at the bar at 3 AM  
oipolloi : 5/6/2014 2:53 pm : link
yeah, you get laid. But is it really all that great?
For you or for  
Headhunter : 5/6/2014 3:00 pm : link
her?
With All The Martin, Ebron & Donald Talk  
pa_giant_fan : 5/6/2014 3:01 pm : link
The Pick will be Odell Beckham jr. WR LSU.
If this guy can play G and T in the NFL sign me up.  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 5/6/2014 3:21 pm : link
Thats the ideal pick for me, a flexible OL. You give Beatty the chance to start and have a legit backup plan. If Beatty can start plug this guy in at G.

Fix the OL and everything else will fall into place
the magic power of the gold helmet  
HomerJones45 : 5/6/2014 3:28 pm : link
if Reese uses a 12 pick to choose this guy who has no upside, he should have his head examined.

We need a big receiver. The qb tends to miss high and we've got him throwing to smurfs.
Cromartie - first time I ever heard that arguement  
Jupiter : 5/6/2014 3:35 pm : link
Don't draft a guy because he might be successful and you actually will have to pay him 5 years down the road.
Seems to me  
fkap : 5/6/2014 4:10 pm : link
OL is a game changer, especially when it sucks. We still have a glaring need for a solid successful G, and a ? at T. IF T/G are a hole this season, prepare for another top draft pick next year.

And, yeah, the 'won't be able to afford him next contract' thing is silly. First, lets find that successful OL, then lets enjoy several years of him, then worry about affording him.
Hmm...  
Ed A. : 5/6/2014 4:12 pm : link
1. Jerry not mentioning DT or Donald
2. Giant's having a big need at DT
3. When asked Jerry said we have upgraded DL and we have some young guys that have to step up.

Sounds to me like DT and Donald could be the pick. Jerry avoiding discussion could be gamesmanship or wishful thinking on my part.
Jerry didn't mention QB either so  
Jimmy Googs : 5/6/2014 4:20 pm : link
he could be thinking Manziel too...

Difference is...  
Ed A. : 5/6/2014 4:53 pm : link
Giants do not need a QB. Not the case with DT.
RE: If Mike Evans is gone I dont have a huge problem with it  
Blue Blood : 5/6/2014 5:25 pm : link
In comment 11656936 #10* said:
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but my problem is this, there will be olineman in the 2nd and 3rd rounds that would be nice pickups and if we pass on playmakers or even trading up for a playmaker I think we miss an opportunity to get a special player.

Zach Martin has pushed from 3rd round to possible top ten in 6 months. Would we have drafted Snee this high. If they draft Martin this high that should mean they would like him to play OT. Otherwise why not trade up for Jake Matthews.


I have NEVER seen ANYONE talk about Martin in the third round.. the lowest I have seen is people talking about him going to Miami.. NOT ONCE did I even see anyone saying even end of the first early second.. and definitely not third round..
Strange post...  
Matt G : 5/6/2014 5:34 pm : link
Yeah, I've never seen Martin projected anywhere but RD1...

Also, the whole notion of "getting pushed up/down" needs to be taken with a grain of salt... Most draft experts spend the majority of the offseason playing catch up with their evaluations and cannibalizing what other experts are "hearing"... Even Mike Mayock, who I like a great deal, has done a fair bit of it this year with guys like Bridgewater and Donald... The reality is that they probably were never there to begin with...
RE: That's why mock drafts  
djm : 5/6/2014 5:40 pm : link
In comment 11657052 InTikiITrust said:
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are really the smartest thing anyone has ever done. They don't matter, yet people go NUTS over them.


Yep and I love them too. Won't lie the speculation is fun.
I hope we pounce on Martin  
IIT : 5/6/2014 5:43 pm : link
Sure it's a need pick, but the value is there too. And as others have mentioned, he's an ideal fit for the current state of the line.

Just hope he's still around at 12.
This was Kiper's Mock from January (i think)  
Jimmy Googs : 5/6/2014 5:43 pm : link
(1.) Houston Texans - Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
(2.) St. Louis Rams - Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
(3.) Jacksonville Jaguars - Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
(4.) Cleveland Browns - Blake Bortles, QB, UCF
(5.) Oakland Raiders - Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
(6.) Atlanta Falcons - Anthony Barr, OLB/DE, UCLA
(7.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Khalil Mack, OLB, Buffalo
(8.) Minnesota Vikings - Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
(9.) Buffalo Bills - Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn
(10.) Detroit Lions - Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma St.
(11.) Tennessee Titans - Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
(12.) New York Giants - C.J. Mosley, LB, Alabama
(13.) St. Louis Rams - Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
(14.) Chicago Bears - Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
(15.) Pittsburgh Steelers -Louis Nix III, DT, Notre Dame
(16.) Baltimore Ravens - Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina
(17.) Dallas Cowboys - Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama
(18.) New York Jets - Marqise Lee, WR, USC
(19.) Miami Dolphins - Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
(20.) Arizona Cardinals - Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
(21.) Green Bay Packers - Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville
(22.) Philadelphia Eagles - Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida St.
(23.) Kansas City Chiefs - Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame
(24.) Cincinnati Bengals - Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan St.
(25.) San Diego Chargers - Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio St.
(26.) Cleveland Browns - Carlos Hyde, RB, Ohio St.
(27.) New Orleans Saints - Antonio Richardson, OT, Tennessee
(28.) Carolins Panthers - Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon St.
(29.) New England Patriots - Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech
(30.) San Francisco 49ers - Odell Beckham Jr., LSU, WR
(31.) Denver Broncos - Scott Crichton, DE, Oregon St.
(32.) Seattle Seahawks - Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State
Actually - it was published sometime in February  
Jimmy Googs : 5/6/2014 5:46 pm : link
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kiper is garbage  
Tuckrule : 5/6/2014 8:52 pm : link
and he's garbage even on draft day. Mayock is the guy I listen to along with Casserly.

Mike evans is a huge risk and would not be a smart pick at 12. Martin is a sure day 1 starter and he and pugh can be book ends for 8+ years
Casserly  
blue42 : 5/6/2014 9:06 pm : link
said last night that Manziel will slide to rd2.
Can you see the Cowboys letting him past them???
He might not get by the Rams.
..  
Pete in 'Vliet : 5/6/2014 9:50 pm : link
Reuben Randle, the 6'2" smurf.  
Exit 172 : 5/6/2014 10:34 pm : link
Victor Cruz, the 6'0" smurf.
Best Pounce Ever  
Blue Blood : 5/6/2014 10:34 pm : link
Bar None
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In last night's episode of NCIS,  
Ira : 5/7/2014 6:52 am : link
one of the victims were named Zack Martin.
RE: Martin is the last piece in revamping the OL  
Optimus-NY : 5/7/2014 3:23 pm : link
In comment 11656716 PatersonPlank said:
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He can play T or G, depending on how well Beatty comes back. He can replace Snee if Beatty looks good or play T if he doesn't. Snee can back up at G and C. Its a solid pick, and the kind that stabilizes playoff teams.


EXACTAMENTE.
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