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jeff57 : 5/8/2014 3:18 pm
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from everything Iíve been told from various sources inside and outside the Giantsí organization, this is likely to be an offensive themed draft for the Giants. And from several sources familiar with the Giantsí draft plans, Iím told they will almost certainly take an offensive player with the 12th overall pick in the draft.

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But they love Lewan, and arenít afraid of the ďred flagsĒ on his character, and for a while they were pretty sure that heíd be there, too.

Now, theyíre not so sure . . . .


One is North Carolina tight end Eric Ebron, who would obviously fill a glaring hole on the Giantsí roster. But from what Iíve been told, the Giants have absolutely no interest in him. In fact, one source told me thereís ďno chanceĒ they take him in the first round. I donít know if thatís because they donít like the player or just donít think itís worth taking a tight end in Round 1, or if they think they have viable options on their current roster. Probably itís a combination of all of that. Regardless, he does not appear to be in the mix at all, and I will be blown away if they take him at 12.

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Iíve never gotten the sense that the Giants love Martin, just that they really like him. That could be an important distinction that high in the draft. Maybe if they were picking a little lower in the first round heíd be their choice. But I donít believe they think Martin is quite as good as Lewan. I also think thereís a strong sentiment in the draft room that they really need to get a player that can actually have an impact right now. The theme of this draft is to get help for Eli Manning and they donít want to sit around and wait for a player to develop.

Thatís why I think that if the Giants, as expected, canít get Evans or Lewan there choice is going to be Odell Beckham Jr., the 5-11, 198-pound receiver from LSU.







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RE: RE: RE: RE: Does Beckham  
Go Terps : 5/8/2014 4:00 pm : link
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remind anyone else of Mario Manningham?



No. Much better hands and routes.



Completely disagree.



ODB is a much better prospect than Manningham was. Manningham could barely run a fade route.


How many times did Manningham catch the fade for a TD for us? I personally saw him do it in Foxboro right in front of me.

I don't know how he is now after the knee, but Manningham could play.
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arcarsenal : 5/8/2014 4:01 pm : link
HH.. I agree I just think the OL is slightly more important. If we field an incompetent line again, it won't matter who is running the routes.
Mario...  
BillKo : 5/8/2014 4:04 pm : link
was very dynamic for the Giants, just look at his yards per catch.

He was a terrific third WR..............and when pressed into action as a starter in 2010, did very, very well.

Manningham fell in his draft class, and was a terrific pick by Reese.
Through this whole mock off season  
Headhunter : 5/8/2014 4:05 pm : link
there has been 1 basic premise that the Giants would take a Tackle move Beatty to RT and Pugh to guard. But what if the Giants have no intention of doing this? I haven't heard anything from the team that indicates this is a given.
and much to my surprise...  
BillKo : 5/8/2014 4:06 pm : link
Mario M. is listed at 6-0. I thought he was taller.........
RE: and much to my surprise...  
Josh in the City : 5/8/2014 4:11 pm : link
In comment 11661703 BillKo said:
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Mario M. is listed at 6-0. I thought he was taller.........


Yea, he has a very similar build to Beckham as well.
I'd be OK with Beckham, but I'd much prefer Brandin Cooks.  
Section331 : 5/8/2014 4:21 pm : link
I know he doesn't project as the prototypical Giants WR, but I think this kid is going to be special. A young (former Panther) Steve Smith, without the headaches.
That said, there's so much smoke out there right now,  
Section331 : 5/8/2014 4:23 pm : link
I'm not going to overreact to anything...until the pick is made!
The Giants will not draft a receiver in the first round.  
Reese's Pieces : 5/8/2014 4:24 pm : link
In case you have forgotten, Manning last year:

57.5 completion percentage
18 touchdowns
27 interceptions
39 sacks.

The receivers were not the problem and Mara from his post-season press conference said #1 priority is protecting Manning.

Have they done that? Which Beatty will we see and what if we see the wrong one?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Does Beckham  
BeerFridge : 5/8/2014 4:24 pm : link
In comment 11661676 Emil said:
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In comment 11661645 chris r said:


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remind anyone else of Mario Manningham?



No. Much better hands and routes.



Completely disagree.



ODB is a much better prospect than Manningham was. Manningham could barely run a fade route.


There is only one ODB

RE: The Giants will not draft a receiver in the first round.  
Josh in the City : 5/8/2014 4:25 pm : link
In comment 11661739 Reese's Pieces said:
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In case you have forgotten, Manning last year:

57.5 completion percentage
18 touchdowns
27 interceptions
39 sacks.

The receivers were not the problem and Mara from his post-season press conference said #1 priority is protecting Manning.

Have they done that? Which Beatty will we see and what if we see the wrong one?


We also only have 1 proven WR.
RE: IMO, the talent drop-off from 1st tier OTs to 2nd tier OTs  
Jimmy Googs : 5/8/2014 4:27 pm : link
In comment 11661681 SB said:
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...is much more than the talent drop-off between first tier and 2nd tier WRs. The WRs are much closer talent wise, in other words. I feel that the giants would get better value going OT-WR than WR-OT.


SB - If I were the Giants this would absolutely be one of the things I would focus in on, including of course the best projection of how many of each will be picked between 12-43.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Does Beckham  
Emil : 5/8/2014 4:30 pm : link
In comment 11661740 BeerFridge said:
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well played Beerfridge


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remind anyone else of Mario Manningham?



No. Much better hands and routes.



Completely disagree.



ODB is a much better prospect than Manningham was. Manningham could barely run a fade route.



There is only one ODB

Beerfridge  
Emil : 5/8/2014 4:32 pm : link
Well played, wonder where the ODB is now
Great  
AcidTest : 5/8/2014 4:39 pm : link
analysis. Would be thrilled with Beckham. Explosive speed, incredibly shifty, great route runner, and large hands. He does need to get stronger in the upper body, as he only did seven reps on the bench, but that is just a matter of weight training.
RE: I like Beckham  
santacruzom : 5/8/2014 4:39 pm : link
In comment 11661658 Big Rick in FL said:
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A lot, but I would rather have Brandin Cooks. I read the other day he had something like 76 impact plays(1st downs or TDs) last season alone. Which is insane. Hopefully our QB Coach his former OC puts in a good word for him.


Me too. I know it's probably too early for him to go by most measures, but I'd love to have that guy on the Giants. Nearly just as importantly, I'd hate for him to wind up on any other NFC East team.

There's a great Grantland article on him, and it's just glowing in every meaningful way.
RE: Great  
AcidTest : 5/8/2014 4:40 pm : link
In comment 11661778 AcidTest said:
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analysis. Would be thrilled with Beckham. Explosive speed, incredibly shifty, great route runner, and large hands. He does need to get stronger in the upper body, as he only did seven reps on the bench, but that is just a matter of weight training.


He's also a kick returner.
RE: Beerfridge  
RicFlair : 5/8/2014 4:40 pm : link
In comment 11661761 Emil said:
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Well played, wonder where the ODB is now




He's dead.
RE: I think he's a great WR, but is he what we need?  
NYGmen58 : 5/8/2014 4:44 pm : link
In comment 11661603 SB said:
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He's essentially a slot receiver, right?


Not even close. He's an outside receiver. Played in a west coast offense too.
Greg Jennings 2.0  
Klaatu : 5/8/2014 4:49 pm : link
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Beckham could start day one  
SGMen : 5/8/2014 4:54 pm : link
So could Martin.

Personally, if you think Martin has the upside to play LT next year and start at say OG this year you take him and move Snee to OC. Snee could do it and likely excel at the position if he stays healthy.
Yup, my prediction as well  
ZogZerg : 5/8/2014 4:56 pm : link
I think Martin is to throw off the scent.
We'll see.

We'll, unless of course, Johnny football is available.....
Agree with the premise  
TMS : 5/8/2014 5:01 pm : link
of this pick by the Giants. Think replacing Nicks and getting a potential WR who could be a #1threat to go with Cruz is a high priority. Beckham is as explosive and hard to cover as McCoy was for the Eagles. This will take our offense to the SB level we had not that long go. Problem is several teams see him the same way (Eagles, Jets) and may trade up in front of us.
headhunter  
SBlue46 : 5/8/2014 5:09 pm : link
Jets are trading up to
Get Beckum...if they can
He is gone. ..hope we stay
Put....
Beckham could start day one  
SGMen : 5/8/2014 5:12 pm : link
So could Martin.

Personally, if you think Martin has the upside to play LT next year and start at say OG this year you take him and move Snee to OC. Snee could do it and likely excel at the position if he stays healthy.
Kick returner?  
Marty866b : 5/8/2014 5:15 pm : link
Big deal. How many kicks are returned these day? Also, didn't we just sign Holiday and Demps who both are good returners. Also,if,BIG if, David Wilson can play he is a terrific kick returner. I'd like a bigger receiver who can get to Eli's high throws and whose size would help on the back shoulder throws that we love to run.
Draft An Impact Guy  
Ron From NYC : 5/8/2014 5:16 pm : link
Ralph is right, you need an impact player at the 12th pick. The Giants need a PLAYER, not a prospect that high. While I'd prefer an OT, we need more linemen and I think we will pick at least one in the first three rounds, 2 or 3 in the draft. I'd like to get a center in this draft, a guard too. Snee is penciled in as the starter, does he have any gas left in the tank?

We could use a big-time WR too. Cruz is great, but without a fully-engaged Hakeem last year he wasn't that great because the defenses focused more on him.

Should be an interesting evening...
'56, you need to stop  
bob in tx : 5/8/2014 5:18 pm : link
ignoring me because I have been saying Beckham is the 2nd best WR for months...so have others.
bob in tx  
Marty866b : 5/8/2014 5:24 pm : link
Beckham 2nd behind who? I think we need a receiver who is a redzone threat and who excels at high throws over the middle as well the back shoulder throw. Don't see it in Beckham who I do think is a very good player. I believe we can get a big,physical receiver later.
When guys doubt Martin's ability to play LT...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/8/2014 5:24 pm : link
I wonder what that means. Does that mean that he can't play it (at all), or that he'll be adequate but not blue-goose? Does it mean that they think he'll be abused?

I always think of how we were able to be a championship team with Diehl at LT. Is it really possible that we couldn't do the same with Martin at LT?

I think when people criticize Martin they are basically taking what critics have found wrong with him and extrapolating it into him being unable to play the position without really thinking it through.

In my opinion, he's definitely going to play LT at the next level, unless a team is able to get someone even stronger at the position. Will he be all-pro? Probably not, but at this point if he can be a strong starter at the position that is what we need.
David  
sin : 5/8/2014 5:28 pm : link
Wilson is an All Pro Returner. Not many teams have one of those. I would hate the Beckum pick. Please go OL.
Ralph seems to have heard as I did  
JonC : 5/8/2014 5:32 pm : link
minus the Lewan part. They love ODB, #12 is too early for Martin, etc.
I don't think there's a fart's chance in a firefight  
BlueLou : 5/8/2014 5:34 pm : link
The Giants will select Beckham at 12.


For reasons too numerous to list.
He would  
PaulN : 5/8/2014 5:35 pm : link
Be a good pick, and a much better pick than Donald.
posted this  
M in CT : 5/8/2014 5:37 pm : link
in another thread, but it really belongs here instead:

i would be pretty shocked if the Giants took Beckam at #12. he's a guy who was originally projected much lower, but whose stock has risen mostly due to hype and combine performance. the Giants don't typically overreact to things like that.

the Jets, on the other hand, i can see overpaying for Beckam.

much more likely that we target a red zone threat like Martavis Bryant out of Clemson. slightly more difficult to evaluate a player like him - having played with Watkins and thus typically faced the lesser of opposing CBs - but that's why you take him in the 2nd round, not the first.
Marty--2nd behind  
bob in tx : 5/8/2014 5:37 pm : link
Watkins. 62% of Beckham's receptions were 11 yds. or more beyond the LoS. That indicates he's an accomplished route runner.And his YAC is impressive.

I think Evans has a learning curve with route running as he wasn't expected to do so at A&M. He's got great hands and size and tough as nails but I see Beckham as better prepared to be a starter game 1. If Reese prefers Evans, then so be it. Maybe I'm biased toward Beckham because I know Eli's clock is ticking, who knows.

My preference would be to get a WR later out of Robinson, Adams, Matthews,Latimer and Moncrief, in that order. Cooks goes round 1 as well and I want nothing to do with Benjamin and Bryant.
bob  
M in CT : 5/8/2014 5:42 pm : link
out of curiosity, why no love for Bryant?
ODB has got some Cruz in him, with more vertical ability  
JonC : 5/8/2014 5:43 pm : link
I don't see any Mario.
ODB is going to be a Pro-Bowler  
ImaGiant86 : 5/8/2014 5:45 pm : link
He plays bigger than his size and his versatility would be seen immediately. Anyone who would be upset about this is not thinking this out.

He would impact the offense obviously, but his impact on special teams is exciting as well. Beyond KR & PR, he could be our new gunner
Lewan...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 5/8/2014 5:46 pm : link
Ugh.
M: people at Clemson  
bob in tx : 5/8/2014 5:53 pm : link
say (i) Bryant isn't particularly motivated to play football and (ii) he would be # 3 on the Clemson depth chart next season if he stayed in school.
.....  
Micko : 5/8/2014 5:54 pm : link
If OTs are gone my money is on Donald. It makes too much sense....to me at least.
bob in tx  
Marty866b : 5/8/2014 6:18 pm : link
Agree with you about Evans. I don't think he is very fluid but he has a huge catching radius and he fights for every ball and that is something we need. Eli has NEVER been extremely accurate. Think back to Plax. I like Beckham but not for Eli. I'd like a bigger receiver for the reasons I stated above. Beckham is very talented and a high character guy. I wish he was 6-2 or taller.
One question for all the Beckham lovers...  
BlueLou : 5/8/2014 6:53 pm : link
If Marqise Lee is now fully healthy, why on earth would you want ODBJ what's his face over Lee? I mean, Lee's "shit" junior year wherein he was injured and missed 3 games, that caused his draft stock to plummet, is close in production to Becky's BEST year.

Beckham wasn't on the same planet as Lee as a Freshman or Sophomore... Lee is a better RAC guy...
Lee is a totally forgotten prospect  
Big_Blue_Wrecking_Crew : 5/8/2014 7:03 pm : link
And alot of teams are going to regret ignoring his insane production freshman and sophomore year.

He comes out last year he is talked about like Watkins is this year.

He is still that same guy
Nobody's knocking Lee  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/8/2014 7:15 pm : link
And the issue isn't that he's healthy now. It's can he stay healthy going forward.
sounds like the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/8/2014 7:17 pm : link
Beckham love is gaining traction...but Jets are hot after him.
RE: Nobody's knocking Lee  
Big_Blue_Wrecking_Crew : 5/8/2014 7:17 pm : link
In comment 11662141 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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And the issue isn't that he's healthy now. It's can he stay healthy going forward.


Outside of the top 12-15 is a knock for a kid with his talent
The more I look at Beckham...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/8/2014 7:24 pm : link
the more convinced I become that there is absolutely no way the Giants are taking him.

Re-watch the Bob Papa pick on Giants.com. Try to notice the subtleties of what he's saying there.

First of all, he didn't like the way the draft fell in that mock. But he is absolutely clear about one thing.

He doesn't think that OBJ would possibly be a good pick at 12, and the immediacy of that statement should be compelling. His reasoning holds a TON of water: receiver might be the deepest position in the draft - you can get a really good one later.

Someone earlier on this thread said that the gap between the OT available at 12 vs. 43 is much, much larger than the gap between the WR at 12 vs. 43.

This is consistent with everything that every analyst I've read has said about this receiver class.

It is consistent with what Papa says immediately when considering who he'd take at 12.

What is it inconsistent with? RV's draft day article? The reporter who is probably least-liked around Giants stadium?

Are we supposed to believe that the Giants are so hot for OBJ that they are hoping he's their guy now?

I don't buy it for a minute.
RE: RE: Nobody's knocking Lee  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/8/2014 7:25 pm : link
In comment 11662144 Big_Blue_Wrecking_Crew said:
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And the issue isn't that he's healthy now. It's can he stay healthy going forward.



Outside of the top 12-15 is a knock for a kid with his talent


He fell from 100+ catches 1700 yards to 790 on 57 catches. It's the nature if the draft. Of course his stock was going to take a hit while other receivers distinguished themselves.
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