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from everything I’ve been told from various sources inside and outside the Giants’ organization, this is likely to be an offensive themed draft for the Giants. And from several sources familiar with the Giants’ draft plans, I’m told they will almost certainly take an offensive player with the 12th overall pick in the draft. . . . . But they love Lewan, and aren’t afraid of the “red flags” on his character, and for a while they were pretty sure that he’d be there, too. Now, they’re not so sure . . . . One is North Carolina tight end Eric Ebron, who would obviously fill a glaring hole on the Giants’ roster. But from what I’ve been told, the Giants have absolutely no interest in him. In fact, one source told me there’s “no chance” they take him in the first round. I don’t know if that’s because they don’t like the player or just don’t think it’s worth taking a tight end in Round 1, or if they think they have viable options on their current roster. Probably it’s a combination of all of that. Regardless, he does not appear to be in the mix at all, and I will be blown away if they take him at 12. . . . . I’ve never gotten the sense that the Giants love Martin, just that they really like him. That could be an important distinction that high in the draft. Maybe if they were picking a little lower in the first round he’d be their choice. But I don’t believe they think Martin is quite as good as Lewan. I also think there’s a strong sentiment in the draft room that they really need to get a player that can actually have an impact right now. The theme of this draft is to get help for Eli Manning and they don’t want to sit around and wait for a player to develop. That’s why I think that if the Giants, as expected, can’t get Evans or Lewan there choice is going to be Odell Beckham Jr., the 5-11, 198-pound receiver from LSU. |
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remind anyone else of Mario Manningham?
No. Much better hands and routes.
Completely disagree.
ODB is a much better prospect than Manningham was. Manningham could barely run a fade route.
How many times did Manningham catch the fade for a TD for us? I personally saw him do it in Foxboro right in front of me.
I don't know how he is now after the knee, but Manningham could play.
He was a terrific third WR..............and when pressed into action as a starter in 2010, did very, very well.
Manningham fell in his draft class, and was a terrific pick by Reese.
Yea, he has a very similar build to Beckham as well.
57.5 completion percentage
18 touchdowns
27 interceptions
39 sacks.
The receivers were not the problem and Mara from his post-season press conference said #1 priority is protecting Manning.
Have they done that? Which Beatty will we see and what if we see the wrong one?
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remind anyone else of Mario Manningham?
No. Much better hands and routes.
Completely disagree.
ODB is a much better prospect than Manningham was. Manningham could barely run a fade route.
There is only one ODB
57.5 completion percentage
18 touchdowns
27 interceptions
39 sacks.
The receivers were not the problem and Mara from his post-season press conference said #1 priority is protecting Manning.
Have they done that? Which Beatty will we see and what if we see the wrong one?
We also only have 1 proven WR.
SB - If I were the Giants this would absolutely be one of the things I would focus in on, including of course the best projection of how many of each will be picked between 12-43.
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well played Beerfridge
In comment 11661645 chris r said:
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remind anyone else of Mario Manningham?
No. Much better hands and routes.
Completely disagree.
ODB is a much better prospect than Manningham was. Manningham could barely run a fade route.
There is only one ODB
Me too. I know it's probably too early for him to go by most measures, but I'd love to have that guy on the Giants. Nearly just as importantly, I'd hate for him to wind up on any other NFC East team.
There's a great Grantland article on him, and it's just glowing in every meaningful way.
He's also a kick returner.
He's dead.
Not even close. He's an outside receiver. Played in a west coast offense too.
Personally, if you think Martin has the upside to play LT next year and start at say OG this year you take him and move Snee to OC. Snee could do it and likely excel at the position if he stays healthy.
We'll see.
We'll, unless of course, Johnny football is available.....
Get Beckum...if they can
He is gone. ..hope we stay
Put....
Personally, if you think Martin has the upside to play LT next year and start at say OG this year you take him and move Snee to OC. Snee could do it and likely excel at the position if he stays healthy.
We could use a big-time WR too. Cruz is great, but without a fully-engaged Hakeem last year he wasn't that great because the defenses focused more on him.
Should be an interesting evening...
I always think of how we were able to be a championship team with Diehl at LT. Is it really possible that we couldn't do the same with Martin at LT?
I think when people criticize Martin they are basically taking what critics have found wrong with him and extrapolating it into him being unable to play the position without really thinking it through.
In my opinion, he's definitely going to play LT at the next level, unless a team is able to get someone even stronger at the position. Will he be all-pro? Probably not, but at this point if he can be a strong starter at the position that is what we need.
For reasons too numerous to list.
i would be pretty shocked if the Giants took Beckam at #12. he's a guy who was originally projected much lower, but whose stock has risen mostly due to hype and combine performance. the Giants don't typically overreact to things like that.
the Jets, on the other hand, i can see overpaying for Beckam.
much more likely that we target a red zone threat like Martavis Bryant out of Clemson. slightly more difficult to evaluate a player like him - having played with Watkins and thus typically faced the lesser of opposing CBs - but that's why you take him in the 2nd round, not the first.
I think Evans has a learning curve with route running as he wasn't expected to do so at A&M. He's got great hands and size and tough as nails but I see Beckham as better prepared to be a starter game 1. If Reese prefers Evans, then so be it. Maybe I'm biased toward Beckham because I know Eli's clock is ticking, who knows.
My preference would be to get a WR later out of Robinson, Adams, Matthews,Latimer and Moncrief, in that order. Cooks goes round 1 as well and I want nothing to do with Benjamin and Bryant.
He would impact the offense obviously, but his impact on special teams is exciting as well. Beyond KR & PR, he could be our new gunner
Beckham wasn't on the same planet as Lee as a Freshman or Sophomore... Lee is a better RAC guy...
He comes out last year he is talked about like Watkins is this year.
He is still that same guy
Outside of the top 12-15 is a knock for a kid with his talent
Re-watch the Bob Papa pick on Giants.com. Try to notice the subtleties of what he's saying there.
First of all, he didn't like the way the draft fell in that mock. But he is absolutely clear about one thing.
He doesn't think that OBJ would possibly be a good pick at 12, and the immediacy of that statement should be compelling. His reasoning holds a TON of water: receiver might be the deepest position in the draft - you can get a really good one later.
Someone earlier on this thread said that the gap between the OT available at 12 vs. 43 is much, much larger than the gap between the WR at 12 vs. 43.
This is consistent with everything that every analyst I've read has said about this receiver class.
It is consistent with what Papa says immediately when considering who he'd take at 12.
What is it inconsistent with? RV's draft day article? The reporter who is probably least-liked around Giants stadium?
Are we supposed to believe that the Giants are so hot for OBJ that they are hoping he's their guy now?
I don't buy it for a minute.
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And the issue isn't that he's healthy now. It's can he stay healthy going forward.
Outside of the top 12-15 is a knock for a kid with his talent
He fell from 100+ catches 1700 yards to 790 on 57 catches. It's the nature if the draft. Of course his stock was going to take a hit while other receivers distinguished themselves.