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jeff57 : 5/8/2014 3:18 pm
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from everything I’ve been told from various sources inside and outside the Giants’ organization, this is likely to be an offensive themed draft for the Giants. And from several sources familiar with the Giants’ draft plans, I’m told they will almost certainly take an offensive player with the 12th overall pick in the draft.

. . . .


But they love Lewan, and aren’t afraid of the “red flags” on his character, and for a while they were pretty sure that he’d be there, too.

Now, they’re not so sure . . . .


One is North Carolina tight end Eric Ebron, who would obviously fill a glaring hole on the Giants’ roster. But from what I’ve been told, the Giants have absolutely no interest in him. In fact, one source told me there’s “no chance” they take him in the first round. I don’t know if that’s because they don’t like the player or just don’t think it’s worth taking a tight end in Round 1, or if they think they have viable options on their current roster. Probably it’s a combination of all of that. Regardless, he does not appear to be in the mix at all, and I will be blown away if they take him at 12.

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I’ve never gotten the sense that the Giants love Martin, just that they really like him. That could be an important distinction that high in the draft. Maybe if they were picking a little lower in the first round he’d be their choice. But I don’t believe they think Martin is quite as good as Lewan. I also think there’s a strong sentiment in the draft room that they really need to get a player that can actually have an impact right now. The theme of this draft is to get help for Eli Manning and they don’t want to sit around and wait for a player to develop.

That’s why I think that if the Giants, as expected, can’t get Evans or Lewan there choice is going to be Odell Beckham Jr., the 5-11, 198-pound receiver from LSU.







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RE: Ebron  
Chef : 5/8/2014 3:20 pm : link
Viable options on thier current roster? who?!
* Throws remote *  
mac attack : 5/8/2014 3:22 pm : link
ugh
They say there are plenty of terrific WR options in this draft.  
Big Blue '56 : 5/8/2014 3:22 pm : link
If this kid is worthy of the 12th pick, why was he barely discussed for that slot by the vast majority here until suddenly last week? For months we rarely, if ever, heard him possibly slotted there
I'd actually rather Ebron  
UConn4523 : 5/8/2014 3:24 pm : link
which is weird to say. Beckham at 12 makes no sense to me. Hopefully the rumors are true and the Jets trade in front of us from him.
I could live with the pick  
jeff57 : 5/8/2014 3:24 pm : link
I think he's clearly the third best WR in the draft and could come right in and make an impact. I'd rather have Martin or Donald if they're available, but I wouldn't throw the remote over this one.
He has them taking Ebron in his column  
Emlen'sGremlins : 5/8/2014 3:24 pm : link
This Morning In The NY Daily News.
RE: They say there are plenty of terrific WR options in this draft.  
rptl530 : 5/8/2014 3:25 pm : link
In comment 11661595 Big Blue '56 said:
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If this kid is worthy of the 12th pick, why was he barely discussed for that slot by the vast majority here until suddenly last week? For months we rarely, if ever, heard him possibly slotted there


That does seem a little strange, but maybe there's a leak, whether on purpose or not.

Anyway, since the WR class is so deep I'd much rather wait until 43 and grab the OL at 12.
I think he's a great WR, but is he what we need?  
SB : 5/8/2014 3:25 pm : link
He's essentially a slot receiver, right?
RE: They say there are plenty of terrific WR options in this draft.  
chris r : 5/8/2014 3:25 pm : link
In comment 11661595 Big Blue '56 said:
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If this kid is worthy of the 12th pick, why was he barely discussed for that slot by the vast majority here until suddenly last week? For months we rarely, if ever, heard him possibly slotted there


Because BBI isn't the NYG scouting department?
Even suggesting they may have other "viable options" at TE  
Jimmy Googs : 5/8/2014 3:25 pm : link
loses any credibility with his projected selection.

I hope not  
Marty866b : 5/8/2014 3:25 pm : link
SO Many wide receiver in this draft. We need help in the trenches. I have no problem picking a big wideout who can help in the redzone and can handle Eli's "high" over the middle throws that Plax and Nicks came down with. I'm not thrilled picking a 5-11 receiver.
Something familiar about that name  
mattlawson : 5/8/2014 3:25 pm : link
Not that it's a fixture in a past dream or anything ....
RE: I think he's a great WR, but is he what we need?  
jeff57 : 5/8/2014 3:25 pm : link
In comment 11661603 SB said:
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He's essentially a slot receiver, right?


No, he can play the outside. And would with them.
Ralph  
Big Rick in FL : 5/8/2014 3:25 pm : link
Has been pretty good in projecting our pick, but wasn't even close last year. He had us taking Mant'i Teo.
RE: They say there are plenty of terrific WR options in this draft.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/8/2014 3:26 pm : link
In comment 11661595 Big Blue '56 said:
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If this kid is worthy of the 12th pick, why was he barely discussed for that slot by the vast majority here until suddenly last week? For months we rarely, if ever, heard him possibly slotted there


Who, Beckham?
There are a LOT of guys in the draft that haven't been discussed here. If you just went by the front page, you'd think there are only 4 offensive linemen in the entire draft and there's nobody after them that can help the team

Odell Beckham is very clearly the 3-4th best WR in the draft. I think he and Lee are equally well regarded, with Beckham not having the health concerns.
How many different predictions can he make....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 5/8/2014 3:26 pm : link
....In One Day?
RE: Ralph  
jeff57 : 5/8/2014 3:27 pm : link
In comment 11661610 Big Rick in FL said:
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Has been pretty good in projecting our pick, but wasn't even close last year. He had us taking Mant'i Teo.


No, Tank Carradine.
I would serious question the thinking in Beckham over Martin...  
SB : 5/8/2014 3:28 pm : link
...relying on Snee at guard is foolish. Yeah yeah, they say he's healthy, but we've heard that the two previous offseasons and he's been horrible.

Martin can play any position on the line, can take over when Snee inevitably falls on his face, or play tackle if Beatty isn't ready and/or continues to suck.
If they take him  
Headhunter : 5/8/2014 3:28 pm : link
I would think they checked him out 7 ways to Sunday. They picked Nicks at the top and that turned out great for too short a period. I would have 0 issues. There could be Receivers that can start in round 4, but if they take him at 12, then they think he will be special.
Jeff  
Big Rick in FL : 5/8/2014 3:29 pm : link
I didn't think it was Teo, but I just read that on another board. Either way he wasn't even close.
As I said a week or so ago  
jeff57 : 5/8/2014 3:29 pm : link
They took Ike Hilliard at 7 and I think Beckham's better. Of course this draft might be better. But still.
maybe I just know too litttle  
santacruzom : 5/8/2014 3:32 pm : link
about college football, or maybe we just need so much improvement throughout the team, but there are so many players I'd be delighted by if their name is called. I kind of feel like it's a can't-miss.
TTH,  
Big Blue '56 : 5/8/2014 3:32 pm : link
I understand..What I'm saying, opinion-wise, the college football fanatics on here barely mentioned his name and many here know far more about college football than many in the media, imho, yet he was hardly ever discussed as a #12 possibility...

What the Giants know or do is separate from the opinions on this board, even if it ultimately coincides, the point here is about Corner Forum and media discussion and it was rarely in the mindsets of fans and media until a week ago..
Damn where is my remote?  
Vin R : 5/8/2014 3:33 pm : link
Oh wait.. I'm still at work
BB'56  
Headhunter : 5/8/2014 3:34 pm : link
I never heard of Justin Pugh until the Giants called his name
and  
santacruzom : 5/8/2014 3:34 pm : link
Beckham is one of those players. As is Cooks.
The only way  
ANGPASS : 5/8/2014 3:35 pm : link
the take beckham is if all 4 OL are gone. i do believe they will go heavy after offense. don't be surprised if they get another WR in the 3rd round too.
Does Beckham  
Josh in the City : 5/8/2014 3:39 pm : link
remind anyone else of Mario Manningham?
RE: TTH,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/8/2014 3:39 pm : link
In comment 11661629 Big Blue '56 said:
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I understand..What I'm saying, opinion-wise, the college football fanatics on here barely mentioned his name and many here know far more about college football than many in the media, imho, yet he was hardly ever discussed as a #12 possibility...

What the Giants know or do is separate from the opinions on this board, even if it ultimately coincides, the point here is about Corner Forum and media discussion and it was rarely in the mindsets of fans and media until a week ago..


He was always on the board as a good player, but the board moves around. At one point not long ago Kelvin Benjamin was a 1st round pick. Now nobody's talking about him. Beckham had an especially good combine that helped his stock. Cooks has skyrocketed as well.
RE: Does Beckham  
chris r : 5/8/2014 3:40 pm : link
In comment 11661640 Josh in the City said:
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remind anyone else of Mario Manningham?


No. Much better hands and routes.
Seems like a very small chance he's not a pretty good pro.  
BeerFridge : 5/8/2014 3:40 pm : link
I'd be good with it.
Why do any of you speak with any degree of certainty  
LI NHB : 5/8/2014 3:40 pm : link
about what the Giants will or will not do? I just don't understand people getting bent out of shape about a speculative mock draft and compounding it by speaking in certainties about what WILL happen.
RE: RE: Does Beckham  
Josh in the City : 5/8/2014 3:40 pm : link
In comment 11661645 chris r said:
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remind anyone else of Mario Manningham?



No. Much better hands and routes.


Completely disagree.
Smoke screen to get a team to trade up and draft Beckham?  
Ira : 5/8/2014 3:41 pm : link
That would make it more likely for another target to fall to 12.
If the season started today  
Headhunter : 5/8/2014 3:42 pm : link
and Beatty was healthy, we could field an Oline, even if he wasn't they have a guy who did it for New Orleans. They dont have a full WR corp.
I like Beckham  
Big Rick in FL : 5/8/2014 3:42 pm : link
A lot, but I would rather have Brandin Cooks. I read the other day he had something like 76 impact plays(1st downs or TDs) last season alone. Which is insane. Hopefully our QB Coach his former OC puts in a good word for him.
Beckham's a play-maker  
Simms11 : 5/8/2014 3:43 pm : link
and the Giants need them. I'm not so sure this wouldn't be a good option at 12, especially if there are no other Blue Chippers available then. He can also return punts and kick-offs.
RE: Does Beckham  
jeff57 : 5/8/2014 3:44 pm : link
In comment 11661640 Josh in the City said:
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remind anyone else of Mario Manningham?


No, not at all. Faster, more explosive, better hands.
RE: If the season started today  
arcarsenal : 5/8/2014 3:48 pm : link
In comment 11661657 Headhunter said:
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and Beatty was healthy, we could field an Oline, even if he wasn't they have a guy who did it for New Orleans. They dont have a full WR corp.


Barely.

I think the only one of the "big 4" OL's that could fall to us at this pt is Martin but I hope he does and I hope we take him. Sounds like Lewan could jump into the top 10 now along with Robinson and Matthews.
Ralph V. says that even if Martin is available...  
SB : 5/8/2014 3:50 pm : link
...they'll pick Beckham.

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I’ve never gotten the sense that the Giants love Martin, just that they really like him. That could be an important distinction that high in the draft. Maybe if they were picking a little lower in the first round he’d be their choice. But I don’t believe they think Martin is quite as good as Lewan. I also think there’s a strong sentiment in the draft room that they really need to get a player that can actually have an impact right now. The theme of this draft is to get help for Eli Manning and they don’t want to sit around and wait for a player to develop.

That’s why I think that if the Giants, as expected, can’t get Evans or Lewan there choice is going to be Odell Beckham Jr., the 5-11, 198-pound receiver from LSU.

My point that  
Headhunter : 5/8/2014 3:52 pm : link
a stud WR would be as much a need pick as a stud Tackle
RE: RE: RE: Does Beckham  
Emil : 5/8/2014 3:56 pm : link
In comment 11661650 Josh in the City said:
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remind anyone else of Mario Manningham?



No. Much better hands and routes.



Completely disagree.


ODB is a much better prospect than Manningham was. Manningham could barely run a fade route.
not in love with a smaller WR...  
BillKo : 5/8/2014 3:57 pm : link
esp with Eli, who does deliver the ball high.

I will also say, I've never seen this kid really play either.

I'd rather build on either side of the LOS, that's what made us so good from 2006-2010.
IMO, the talent drop-off from 1st tier OTs to 2nd tier OTs  
SB : 5/8/2014 3:58 pm : link
...is much more than the talent drop-off between first tier and 2nd tier WRs. The WRs are much closer talent wise, in other words. I feel that the giants would get better value going OT-WR than WR-OT.

I wouldn't be upset with Beckham though. He's a baller.
I would prefer a trade up to 7  
geelabee : 5/8/2014 3:59 pm : link
To get either Mike Evans or Aaron Donald!!
RE: RE: RE: RE: Does Beckham  
Go Terps : 5/8/2014 4:00 pm : link
In comment 11661676 Emil said:
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remind anyone else of Mario Manningham?



No. Much better hands and routes.



Completely disagree.



ODB is a much better prospect than Manningham was. Manningham could barely run a fade route.


How many times did Manningham catch the fade for a TD for us? I personally saw him do it in Foxboro right in front of me.

I don't know how he is now after the knee, but Manningham could play.
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arcarsenal : 5/8/2014 4:01 pm : link
HH.. I agree I just think the OL is slightly more important. If we field an incompetent line again, it won't matter who is running the routes.
Mario...  
BillKo : 5/8/2014 4:04 pm : link
was very dynamic for the Giants, just look at his yards per catch.

He was a terrific third WR..............and when pressed into action as a starter in 2010, did very, very well.

Manningham fell in his draft class, and was a terrific pick by Reese.
Through this whole mock off season  
Headhunter : 5/8/2014 4:05 pm : link
there has been 1 basic premise that the Giants would take a Tackle move Beatty to RT and Pugh to guard. But what if the Giants have no intention of doing this? I haven't heard anything from the team that indicates this is a given.
and much to my surprise...  
BillKo : 5/8/2014 4:06 pm : link
Mario M. is listed at 6-0. I thought he was taller.........
RE: and much to my surprise...  
Josh in the City : 5/8/2014 4:11 pm : link
In comment 11661703 BillKo said:
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Mario M. is listed at 6-0. I thought he was taller.........


Yea, he has a very similar build to Beckham as well.
I'd be OK with Beckham, but I'd much prefer Brandin Cooks.  
Section331 : 5/8/2014 4:21 pm : link
I know he doesn't project as the prototypical Giants WR, but I think this kid is going to be special. A young (former Panther) Steve Smith, without the headaches.
That said, there's so much smoke out there right now,  
Section331 : 5/8/2014 4:23 pm : link
I'm not going to overreact to anything...until the pick is made!
The Giants will not draft a receiver in the first round.  
Reese's Pieces : 5/8/2014 4:24 pm : link
In case you have forgotten, Manning last year:

57.5 completion percentage
18 touchdowns
27 interceptions
39 sacks.

The receivers were not the problem and Mara from his post-season press conference said #1 priority is protecting Manning.

Have they done that? Which Beatty will we see and what if we see the wrong one?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Does Beckham  
BeerFridge : 5/8/2014 4:24 pm : link
In comment 11661676 Emil said:
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remind anyone else of Mario Manningham?



No. Much better hands and routes.



Completely disagree.



ODB is a much better prospect than Manningham was. Manningham could barely run a fade route.


There is only one ODB

RE: The Giants will not draft a receiver in the first round.  
Josh in the City : 5/8/2014 4:25 pm : link
In comment 11661739 Reese's Pieces said:
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In case you have forgotten, Manning last year:

57.5 completion percentage
18 touchdowns
27 interceptions
39 sacks.

The receivers were not the problem and Mara from his post-season press conference said #1 priority is protecting Manning.

Have they done that? Which Beatty will we see and what if we see the wrong one?


We also only have 1 proven WR.
RE: IMO, the talent drop-off from 1st tier OTs to 2nd tier OTs  
Jimmy Googs : 5/8/2014 4:27 pm : link
In comment 11661681 SB said:
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...is much more than the talent drop-off between first tier and 2nd tier WRs. The WRs are much closer talent wise, in other words. I feel that the giants would get better value going OT-WR than WR-OT.


SB - If I were the Giants this would absolutely be one of the things I would focus in on, including of course the best projection of how many of each will be picked between 12-43.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Does Beckham  
Emil : 5/8/2014 4:30 pm : link
In comment 11661740 BeerFridge said:
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well played Beerfridge


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remind anyone else of Mario Manningham?



No. Much better hands and routes.



Completely disagree.



ODB is a much better prospect than Manningham was. Manningham could barely run a fade route.



There is only one ODB

Beerfridge  
Emil : 5/8/2014 4:32 pm : link
Well played, wonder where the ODB is now
Great  
AcidTest : 5/8/2014 4:39 pm : link
analysis. Would be thrilled with Beckham. Explosive speed, incredibly shifty, great route runner, and large hands. He does need to get stronger in the upper body, as he only did seven reps on the bench, but that is just a matter of weight training.
RE: I like Beckham  
santacruzom : 5/8/2014 4:39 pm : link
In comment 11661658 Big Rick in FL said:
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A lot, but I would rather have Brandin Cooks. I read the other day he had something like 76 impact plays(1st downs or TDs) last season alone. Which is insane. Hopefully our QB Coach his former OC puts in a good word for him.


Me too. I know it's probably too early for him to go by most measures, but I'd love to have that guy on the Giants. Nearly just as importantly, I'd hate for him to wind up on any other NFC East team.

There's a great Grantland article on him, and it's just glowing in every meaningful way.
RE: Great  
AcidTest : 5/8/2014 4:40 pm : link
In comment 11661778 AcidTest said:
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analysis. Would be thrilled with Beckham. Explosive speed, incredibly shifty, great route runner, and large hands. He does need to get stronger in the upper body, as he only did seven reps on the bench, but that is just a matter of weight training.


He's also a kick returner.
RE: Beerfridge  
RicFlair : 5/8/2014 4:40 pm : link
In comment 11661761 Emil said:
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Well played, wonder where the ODB is now




He's dead.
RE: I think he's a great WR, but is he what we need?  
NYGmen58 : 5/8/2014 4:44 pm : link
In comment 11661603 SB said:
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He's essentially a slot receiver, right?


Not even close. He's an outside receiver. Played in a west coast offense too.
Greg Jennings 2.0  
Klaatu : 5/8/2014 4:49 pm : link
...
Beckham could start day one  
SGMen : 5/8/2014 4:54 pm : link
So could Martin.

Personally, if you think Martin has the upside to play LT next year and start at say OG this year you take him and move Snee to OC. Snee could do it and likely excel at the position if he stays healthy.
Yup, my prediction as well  
ZogZerg : 5/8/2014 4:56 pm : link
I think Martin is to throw off the scent.
We'll see.

We'll, unless of course, Johnny football is available.....
Agree with the premise  
TMS : 5/8/2014 5:01 pm : link
of this pick by the Giants. Think replacing Nicks and getting a potential WR who could be a #1threat to go with Cruz is a high priority. Beckham is as explosive and hard to cover as McCoy was for the Eagles. This will take our offense to the SB level we had not that long go. Problem is several teams see him the same way (Eagles, Jets) and may trade up in front of us.
headhunter  
SBlue46 : 5/8/2014 5:09 pm : link
Jets are trading up to
Get Beckum...if they can
He is gone. ..hope we stay
Put....
Beckham could start day one  
SGMen : 5/8/2014 5:12 pm : link
So could Martin.

Personally, if you think Martin has the upside to play LT next year and start at say OG this year you take him and move Snee to OC. Snee could do it and likely excel at the position if he stays healthy.
Kick returner?  
Marty866b : 5/8/2014 5:15 pm : link
Big deal. How many kicks are returned these day? Also, didn't we just sign Holiday and Demps who both are good returners. Also,if,BIG if, David Wilson can play he is a terrific kick returner. I'd like a bigger receiver who can get to Eli's high throws and whose size would help on the back shoulder throws that we love to run.
Draft An Impact Guy  
Ron From NYC : 5/8/2014 5:16 pm : link
Ralph is right, you need an impact player at the 12th pick. The Giants need a PLAYER, not a prospect that high. While I'd prefer an OT, we need more linemen and I think we will pick at least one in the first three rounds, 2 or 3 in the draft. I'd like to get a center in this draft, a guard too. Snee is penciled in as the starter, does he have any gas left in the tank?

We could use a big-time WR too. Cruz is great, but without a fully-engaged Hakeem last year he wasn't that great because the defenses focused more on him.

Should be an interesting evening...
'56, you need to stop  
bob in tx : 5/8/2014 5:18 pm : link
ignoring me because I have been saying Beckham is the 2nd best WR for months...so have others.
bob in tx  
Marty866b : 5/8/2014 5:24 pm : link
Beckham 2nd behind who? I think we need a receiver who is a redzone threat and who excels at high throws over the middle as well the back shoulder throw. Don't see it in Beckham who I do think is a very good player. I believe we can get a big,physical receiver later.
When guys doubt Martin's ability to play LT...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/8/2014 5:24 pm : link
I wonder what that means. Does that mean that he can't play it (at all), or that he'll be adequate but not blue-goose? Does it mean that they think he'll be abused?

I always think of how we were able to be a championship team with Diehl at LT. Is it really possible that we couldn't do the same with Martin at LT?

I think when people criticize Martin they are basically taking what critics have found wrong with him and extrapolating it into him being unable to play the position without really thinking it through.

In my opinion, he's definitely going to play LT at the next level, unless a team is able to get someone even stronger at the position. Will he be all-pro? Probably not, but at this point if he can be a strong starter at the position that is what we need.
David  
sin : 5/8/2014 5:28 pm : link
Wilson is an All Pro Returner. Not many teams have one of those. I would hate the Beckum pick. Please go OL.
Ralph seems to have heard as I did  
JonC : 5/8/2014 5:32 pm : link
minus the Lewan part. They love ODB, #12 is too early for Martin, etc.
I don't think there's a fart's chance in a firefight  
BlueLou : 5/8/2014 5:34 pm : link
The Giants will select Beckham at 12.


For reasons too numerous to list.
He would  
PaulN : 5/8/2014 5:35 pm : link
Be a good pick, and a much better pick than Donald.
posted this  
M in CT : 5/8/2014 5:37 pm : link
in another thread, but it really belongs here instead:

i would be pretty shocked if the Giants took Beckam at #12. he's a guy who was originally projected much lower, but whose stock has risen mostly due to hype and combine performance. the Giants don't typically overreact to things like that.

the Jets, on the other hand, i can see overpaying for Beckam.

much more likely that we target a red zone threat like Martavis Bryant out of Clemson. slightly more difficult to evaluate a player like him - having played with Watkins and thus typically faced the lesser of opposing CBs - but that's why you take him in the 2nd round, not the first.
Marty--2nd behind  
bob in tx : 5/8/2014 5:37 pm : link
Watkins. 62% of Beckham's receptions were 11 yds. or more beyond the LoS. That indicates he's an accomplished route runner.And his YAC is impressive.

I think Evans has a learning curve with route running as he wasn't expected to do so at A&M. He's got great hands and size and tough as nails but I see Beckham as better prepared to be a starter game 1. If Reese prefers Evans, then so be it. Maybe I'm biased toward Beckham because I know Eli's clock is ticking, who knows.

My preference would be to get a WR later out of Robinson, Adams, Matthews,Latimer and Moncrief, in that order. Cooks goes round 1 as well and I want nothing to do with Benjamin and Bryant.
bob  
M in CT : 5/8/2014 5:42 pm : link
out of curiosity, why no love for Bryant?
ODB has got some Cruz in him, with more vertical ability  
JonC : 5/8/2014 5:43 pm : link
I don't see any Mario.
ODB is going to be a Pro-Bowler  
ImaGiant86 : 5/8/2014 5:45 pm : link
He plays bigger than his size and his versatility would be seen immediately. Anyone who would be upset about this is not thinking this out.

He would impact the offense obviously, but his impact on special teams is exciting as well. Beyond KR & PR, he could be our new gunner
Lewan...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 5/8/2014 5:46 pm : link
Ugh.
M: people at Clemson  
bob in tx : 5/8/2014 5:53 pm : link
say (i) Bryant isn't particularly motivated to play football and (ii) he would be # 3 on the Clemson depth chart next season if he stayed in school.
.....  
Micko : 5/8/2014 5:54 pm : link
If OTs are gone my money is on Donald. It makes too much sense....to me at least.
bob in tx  
Marty866b : 5/8/2014 6:18 pm : link
Agree with you about Evans. I don't think he is very fluid but he has a huge catching radius and he fights for every ball and that is something we need. Eli has NEVER been extremely accurate. Think back to Plax. I like Beckham but not for Eli. I'd like a bigger receiver for the reasons I stated above. Beckham is very talented and a high character guy. I wish he was 6-2 or taller.
One question for all the Beckham lovers...  
BlueLou : 5/8/2014 6:53 pm : link
If Marqise Lee is now fully healthy, why on earth would you want ODBJ what's his face over Lee? I mean, Lee's "shit" junior year wherein he was injured and missed 3 games, that caused his draft stock to plummet, is close in production to Becky's BEST year.

Beckham wasn't on the same planet as Lee as a Freshman or Sophomore... Lee is a better RAC guy...
Lee is a totally forgotten prospect  
Big_Blue_Wrecking_Crew : 5/8/2014 7:03 pm : link
And alot of teams are going to regret ignoring his insane production freshman and sophomore year.

He comes out last year he is talked about like Watkins is this year.

He is still that same guy
Nobody's knocking Lee  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/8/2014 7:15 pm : link
And the issue isn't that he's healthy now. It's can he stay healthy going forward.
sounds like the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/8/2014 7:17 pm : link
Beckham love is gaining traction...but Jets are hot after him.
RE: Nobody's knocking Lee  
Big_Blue_Wrecking_Crew : 5/8/2014 7:17 pm : link
In comment 11662141 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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And the issue isn't that he's healthy now. It's can he stay healthy going forward.


Outside of the top 12-15 is a knock for a kid with his talent
The more I look at Beckham...  
Dan in the Springs : 5/8/2014 7:24 pm : link
the more convinced I become that there is absolutely no way the Giants are taking him.

Re-watch the Bob Papa pick on Giants.com. Try to notice the subtleties of what he's saying there.

First of all, he didn't like the way the draft fell in that mock. But he is absolutely clear about one thing.

He doesn't think that OBJ would possibly be a good pick at 12, and the immediacy of that statement should be compelling. His reasoning holds a TON of water: receiver might be the deepest position in the draft - you can get a really good one later.

Someone earlier on this thread said that the gap between the OT available at 12 vs. 43 is much, much larger than the gap between the WR at 12 vs. 43.

This is consistent with everything that every analyst I've read has said about this receiver class.

It is consistent with what Papa says immediately when considering who he'd take at 12.

What is it inconsistent with? RV's draft day article? The reporter who is probably least-liked around Giants stadium?

Are we supposed to believe that the Giants are so hot for OBJ that they are hoping he's their guy now?

I don't buy it for a minute.
RE: RE: Nobody's knocking Lee  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/8/2014 7:25 pm : link
In comment 11662144 Big_Blue_Wrecking_Crew said:
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In comment 11662141 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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And the issue isn't that he's healthy now. It's can he stay healthy going forward.



Outside of the top 12-15 is a knock for a kid with his talent


He fell from 100+ catches 1700 yards to 790 on 57 catches. It's the nature if the draft. Of course his stock was going to take a hit while other receivers distinguished themselves.
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