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NY Giants 5th (a) Round Pick: S Nat Berhe, San Diego State

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/10/2014 2:37 pm
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Matt G : 5/10/2014 2:37 pm : link
9. NAT BERHE, San Diego State (5-10, 194, 4.57, 4) Three-year starter at a combination safety-LB hybrid position. "He's tough as hell," one scout said. "Good ol' football player. He didn't run as good as we thought he would. He and Jimmie Ward are real similar. But you've got to have a special role for him." Finished with 299 tackles (11 for loss), five picks and 19 passes defensed. "He'll make a team," another scout said. "He didn't time good but he might be a free safety." From Colton, Calif.
Gold  
AcidTest : 5/10/2014 2:38 pm : link
star if ANYBODY can HONESTLY say they have seen this guy play.
I know nothing about him  
Rjanyg : 5/10/2014 2:38 pm : link
Strong or free?
Can't wait  
MookGiants : 5/10/2014 2:38 pm : link
to hear how this is a terrible pick.
CBS  
CromartiesKid21 : 5/10/2014 2:38 pm : link
PROJ. RND.
7-FA
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DanMetroMan : 5/10/2014 2:38 pm : link
Positives

Berhe was used in a variety of roles that showed his versatility. Between slot cornerback, single-high safety and in-the-box safety, Berhe brings value to a defense that needs a selfless player.
His best plays came when he played zone while lined up as a slot cornerback. This position allowed him to read the quarterbacks eyes and decide to play the underneath receiver or backpedal and defend deeper routes. His efficiency in recognizing which route is the correct play is impressive, and this should translate to the NFL.
Has good closing speed when hes running towards the line of scrimmage. His short-area burst allows him to break up passes on curl routes and comebacks.
When hes in man coverage, Berhe shows a good trigger down, which is the transition from backpedaling to pivot, and following the receiver back to the ball.
There are instances where he doesnt locate the ball quickly, but hes alert enough to play the hands of the receiver, at least giving him the chance to score a knockdown and force an incompletion.
Very productive tackler throughout his career because he has good form and fundamentals. He can also knock the ball-carrier or receiver out from good, timed hits downfield.
Reads running gaps at the line of scrimmage very effectively, almost like a linebacker. He gets a lot of his tackles near the line of scrimmage for that reason.



Negatives

Lacks the size and frame to be as much of an impact at the line of scrimmage as he was in college. He struggled bringing down bigger athletes, and the NFL features many players bigger than Berhe.
His best long-term position is likely slot cornerback for a zone scheme. He reads quarterbacks' eyes well, but his speed is below average for a defensive back. Defensive coordinators will need to limit one-on-one opportunities for the offense to exploit his size and speed.
Struggles tracking the ball in coverage because he focuses on the receiver throughout the play. Since he plays the hands of the receiver well, he might get a fair share of deflections, but he misses opportunities for interceptions.
Gets grabby and will get called for pass interference penalties if he continues to fall behind receivers early in their routes. His technique and timing needs to improve.
Will resort to holding when in coverage and he feels beaten. Due to his size in coverage, keeping him near the line of scrimmage or in a set zone could be his best fit.

Collegiate Statistics



Collegiate Statistics Year Team Tackles PD INT
2010 San Diego St 39 5 1
2011 San Diego St 67 7 2
2012 San Diego St 94 7 2
2013 San Diego St 99 6 0

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/nat-berhe-1.html



Personal Notes

Full name is Natneal Berhe.
First-team All-Mountain West Conference in 2013
Graduating with a degree in public administration.
Former 3-star recruit from Colton, Calif.
Twitter handle is @NatBerhe.



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Graph made by http://nces.ed.gov



Overall
Nat Berhe was a key contributor and on-the-field leader for San Diego State throughout his career. As he enters the NFL, he might have to switch full time to slot cornerback as he develops his coverage technique, but he should be able to stick around the league as a special teams and depth player.
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That smashing you are hearing  
81_Great_Dane : 5/10/2014 2:38 pm : link
is the sound of hundreds of BBIers simultaneously throwing their remotes.
There are a couple of lines in his NFL write up that I really like,  
BigBlueBuff : 5/10/2014 2:39 pm : link
especially this line "instinctive defender with a nose for the ball. Secondary leader. Reads and reacts quickly. Active and energetic -- terrific pursuit effort. Motor runs hot. Plays fast."

Sounds like a kid that plays faster on tape than he times in shorts. That's good.
Unreal  
sjnyfan : 5/10/2014 2:39 pm : link
We just drafted a short, slow safety with short arms and small hands. Unbelievable. He may not have even been drafted and we take him in the 5th.
1st thoughts  
hutch33 : 5/10/2014 2:39 pm : link
Instinctive defender with a nose for the ball. Secondary leader. Reads and reacts quickly. Active and energetic -- terrific pursuit effort. Motor runs hot. Plays fast. Good balance and body control. Smooth pedal. Good ball reactions. Disguises coverages. Sells blitzes and baits quarterbacks (see vs. Fresno State's Derek Carr). Tough, confident and competitive.

Aggressive tackler. Plays with abandon. Flashes explosive striking ability. Lives and breathes football. Experienced, four-year starter with desirable makeup. Very likable personality.
Horrible Pick. way too slow  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 5/10/2014 2:39 pm : link
bad pick...
from NFL.com  
WeatherMan : 5/10/2014 2:39 pm : link
Overview

2013: First-team All-Mountain West pick after leading his team in tackles (99). 2012: Second-team All-Mountain West selection after starting all 13 games and leading his team in tackles (94). 2011: Honorable mention All-Mountain West pick after starting all 13 games. 2010: Played in 12 games and started two. 2009: Redshirted.

Analysis
Strengths
Very good instincts -- has a nose for the ball. Reads and reacts quickly. Very active with great on-field energy and pursuit effort. Outstanding motor. Plays fast. Good balance and body control. Smooth pedal. Can man up tight ends and keep pace. Good ball reactions. Does a good job disguising coverages and selling the blitz -- baited Derek Carr into some bad and rushed throws. Tough competitor. Plays with confidence. Aggressive tackler. Sacrifices his body and sells out around piles. Flashes explosive striking ability. Lives and breathes football. Very likeable personality. Secondarly leader. Outstanding intangibles. Experienced, four-year starter.

Weaknesses
Cornerback size with short arms and small hands. Has a light frame with limited weight potential and could stand to get stronger. Plays a bit out of control and will miss some tackles in the open-field. Takes some bad angles. Leaks yards when he comes in high and has to grab and drag instead of driving through the ball carrier. Average production on the ball. Limited special-teams experience.

Bottom Line
Compactly built, highly competitive, active, energetic safety with a mixture of strong and free safety traits. Profiles like a solid backup and core special-teamer with makeup to push for a more prominent role.
-Nolan Nawrocki

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Reddit AMA (Ask Me Anything)  
I wanna be Torbor, sucka : 5/10/2014 2:39 pm : link
A lot more interesting now
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Never  
Giantfootball025 : 5/10/2014 2:39 pm : link
heard of him. Like the report though as a tough football player. Special teamer maybe until he learns the safety position. You knew the Giants were taking a safety somewhere with Hill most likely done. Cooper Taylor may see some time as an OLB in packages maybe???
Team Captain?  
sphinx : 5/10/2014 2:39 pm : link
Yes

jetpress  
DanMetroMan : 5/10/2014 2:39 pm : link
PROS: He has excellent speed. Nat Berhe can close on a ball carrier, and do it fast. He tackles through the man with the ball as well. Why? Because that is how you FINISH. You dont miss when you tackle through the guy. He seems to have excellent instincts as to where the ball is going as well, and he can, despite not a lot of interceptions, make a play on the ball when called upon to do so.

CONS: The biggest one to be is going to be the level of competition, not coming for a larger school that plays more highly regarded teams. Its hard to get a lot of cons from these tapes, so this time, I am going to give you the cons from his NFL combine profile.

Cornerback size with short arms and small hands. Has a light frame with limited weight potential and could stand to get stronger. Plays a bit out of control and will miss some tackles in the open-field. Takes some bad angles. Leaks yards when he comes in high and has to grab and drag instead of driving through the ball carrier. Average production on the ball. Limited special-teams experience.
So he is a team leader  
Mike in NY : 5/10/2014 2:39 pm : link
But you are telling me we couldn't trade down and still get him?
Another reach  
donald92 : 5/10/2014 2:39 pm : link
Reese needs to go, he's clueless.
Surprised  
AcidTest : 5/10/2014 2:40 pm : link
we didn't go for a backup OL or TE like Jensen or Lynch. This guy sounds like he has a very low ceiling.
Sounds similar  
CromartiesKid21 : 5/10/2014 2:40 pm : link
to Duke Ihenacho
Interesting  
JesseS : 5/10/2014 2:40 pm : link
Ourlads didn't even consider him draftable. Couple hundred deep. Though they had Bromley as a 7th rounder. Giants must be geniuses. :)
He has 8 1/2" hands  
sjnyfan : 5/10/2014 2:40 pm : link
which makes sense because he only has 5 career interceptions, probably all in his chest. But hey, he has high character.
video  
rasbutant : 5/10/2014 2:40 pm : link
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RE: Gold  
PetesHereNow : 5/10/2014 2:40 pm : link
In comment 11669504 AcidTest said:
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star if ANYBODY can HONESTLY say they have seen this guy play.


I am a Unlv alumnus and I've seen him play. Very tough, physical, undersized though..
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They needed safety depth with Hill's idiocy looming.  
Riggies : 5/10/2014 2:41 pm : link
This guy apparently is a safety (and that's all I know about him).
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DanMetroMan : 5/10/2014 2:41 pm : link
RE: So he is a team leader  
Kulish29 : 5/10/2014 2:41 pm : link
In comment 11669526 Mike in NY said:
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But you are telling me we couldn't trade down and still get him?


Are you telling me you know for a fact they could've traded down? Oh, you cant? That's what I thought. This isnt fucking Madden.
5'10" 193 lb safety with 4.71 speed  
chris r : 5/10/2014 2:41 pm : link
And limited special teams experience.
He was SDSU's MVP for 2013  
Anakim : 5/10/2014 2:41 pm : link
I don't know if that's saying much though
Fucking  
scott in albany : 5/10/2014 2:41 pm : link
Stupid pick. It takes a lot for me to say that. I don't get it.
Reese must pull his picks from a hat  
ronzo : 5/10/2014 2:41 pm : link
There is a reason why our last 5 years drafting has sucked balls
I think Reese  
Mendenhall : 5/10/2014 2:42 pm : link
has a death wish. This draft has been a disaster. TE,LB,OT? It's time for a change.
Tyler sash-like  
Earl the goat : 5/10/2014 2:42 pm : link
And how long did sash play fr
He had the slowest 40 time of all defensive backs at the combine  
Ira : 5/10/2014 2:43 pm : link
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Reese has been going full EA lately with his reaches  
BestFeature : 5/10/2014 2:43 pm : link
The scouting report sounds blah.
we have a former college teammate of his on the roster  
WeatherMan : 5/10/2014 2:43 pm : link
in Allen Bradford.
Tweet for Mr. Berhe  
PeterS : 5/10/2014 2:43 pm : link
Cooper Taylor, Giants: 6-4.
Why do people keep bringing up T?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/10/2014 2:43 pm : link
They need a Left Tackle. There is not one to be had.
7th round UDFA  
jeff57 : 5/10/2014 2:43 pm : link
according to NFL draft scout
At least he's a Team Captain  
Anakim : 5/10/2014 2:43 pm : link
We're severely lacking that...
Ok, the usual fucking stupid.  
Big Blue '56 : 5/10/2014 2:44 pm : link
I'm off this thread..Wtf was I thinking?
I guess JR  
Carl in CT : 5/10/2014 2:44 pm : link
Has another job lined up!
He sounds like exactly what you look for in the 5th  
ImaGiant86 : 5/10/2014 2:44 pm : link
Guys who are selfless who will contribute on special teams and provide depth. Good shot to make the team due to his versatility.

Just from watching his combine workout, I noticed he does move pretty well and has fluid hips...but goodness his hands might as well be frying pans.
From Reddit-  
DanMetroMan : 5/10/2014 2:44 pm : link
Hi Nat. Have you spoken with any of your former SDSU teammates who have been through the draft process (Miles Burris, Ronnie Hillman and Ryan Lindley)? If so, what advice have they given you? Good luck with the draft, I'll be rooting for you.

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[]Nat Berhe - NFL draft prospectnatberhe[S] 144 points 2 days ago

I've spoken to a ton of guys, the best advice I've received has actually come from Allen Bradford (Giants) he's my brothers best friend and the guy has a bit of Ray Lewis in him so he's definitely motivational.

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[]PatriotsXylan_Treesong 59 points 2 days ago

If you don't mind my asking, what advice did he give you?

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[]Nat Berhe - NFL draft prospectnatberhe[S] 196 points 2 days ago

He just told me that teams know a ball player when they see one and not to worry about the process, that the combine is for the fans and that when the draft comes around teams are doing what the need to win games.
And Bob McGinn had him as a RD4  
Matt G : 5/10/2014 2:45 pm : link
Never ends with some of you... Lost
Never heard of the guy  
NYDCBlue : 5/10/2014 2:45 pm : link
But his combine footage looks horrible. Someone else said we drafted a small slow safety. He also seems to have hands of absolute stone, poor foot work, and even worse balance. Of course I'm basing this all off a 2 minute video on NFL.com from the combine, so....
RE: I think Reese  
BigBlueBuff : 5/10/2014 2:45 pm : link
In comment 11669548 Mendenhall said:
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has a death wish. This draft has been a disaster. TE,LB,OT? It's time for a change.
You're a fucking douchebag. Death wish? It's a fucking sport, get a grip.
Of course you don't get it  
djm : 5/10/2014 2:46 pm : link
None of us get it. Just hope he's cut out for the nfl. He just might be.
RE: 7th round UDFA  
Kulish29 : 5/10/2014 2:46 pm : link
In comment 11669556 jeff57 said:
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according to NFL draft scout


OMG, Jeriz not readin teh internetz scowtin repotz!
todd mcshay and mel kiper  
Neverend : 5/10/2014 2:46 pm : link
speaking very positively. seems like they're calling him an overachiever
Rob Rang  
DanMetroMan : 5/10/2014 2:46 pm : link
To me, he looks faster on the field than I anticipate hell run on the track. On the field he makes a lot of plays and I think hes a guy that can be successful, Rang said. Theres only so many guys who have real instincts for the position, and that impresses.

I think he has a real chance of being drafted in the sixth or seventh round, mid to late Day 3.

Berhe (5-foot-10, 194 pounds) finished his SDSU career with 41 starts and 299 tackles and was a force at the Aztec safety position.

His two years as the starter at Aztec safety will pay off in the NFL, Rang said, because most teams are now on the lookout for versatile defensive backs who can play free safety or strong safety.

Berhes versatility, his intelligence, and his open field tackling skills will all make him more marketable.

Rang thinks Berhe will impress on the white board and thats where hell start to build some buzz.

Additionally, even though Berhe isnt very big physically, his open field tackling ability will help him out, Rang said. Hes a good football player. There are a lot of safeties in this class that are flashy athletes but dont tackle well.

Because he does, I think its coaches rather than scouts that are going to jump on him. Someone is going to give him a chance because of the consistency hes shown in his career.
Gotta say I'm disappointed, but completely ignorantly.  
yatqb : 5/10/2014 2:46 pm : link
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CBS Sports  
Big Rick in FL : 5/10/2014 2:46 pm : link
Gave it a B+
RE: I think Reese  
jeff57 : 5/10/2014 2:46 pm : link
In comment 11669548 Mendenhall said:
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has a death wish. This draft has been a disaster. TE,LB,OT? It's time for a change.


Be careful. The pom pom squad will come and try to shout you down.
Berhe  
Mike in NY : 5/10/2014 2:46 pm : link
ESPN really likes him

I just question if he is more than a role player/special teamer and if I was taking a role player I would prefer a pass rusher
It's  
AcidTest : 5/10/2014 2:47 pm : link
just hard to know, especially this late in the draft. We all want other players we know better. But there is a reason they have been passed over by the entire league, not just the Giants.

I do wish the Giants had taken Jensen or Lynch, but one may be around at the end of the fifth.

Berhe has excellent production and of course character. He has limitations, including his size, but Kiper just described him as a tackling machine, albeit with limited numbers.
"Tackling Machine"  
Emlen'sGremlins : 5/10/2014 2:47 pm : link
"Will Spill His Guts Out On The Football Field"

- Mel Kiper
There must be something in the air that makes people lose their minds  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/10/2014 2:47 pm : link
on draft and game days.
RE: Ok, the usual fucking stupid.  
chris r : 5/10/2014 2:47 pm : link
In comment 11669558 Big Blue '56 said:
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I'm off this thread..Wtf was I thinking?


Thanks for checking in to share that with us?
I just watched the Fresno St. film  
robbieballs2003 : 5/10/2014 2:47 pm : link
He was constantly manned up and had great play and route recognition. He seems a little vulnerable in man coverage but plays smart. He does support in the run defense but he isn't an imposing force in the run game. However, he is always around the ball which is a great thing.
Clearly not drafted on his measurables  
RobCarpenter : 5/10/2014 2:48 pm : link
But reads the game well and likes to tackle. Should be good in run support.
Highlights  
DanMetroMan : 5/10/2014 2:48 pm : link
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here  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/10/2014 2:48 pm : link
are highlights...
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ESPN really does love him  
InTikiITrust : 5/10/2014 2:48 pm : link
"Terrible measurables for that position, but I'll tell you how good of a player he is on the tape."

- makes reads quickly
- good ball skills
- constantly around the ball
- good at supporting the run
- loves hitting
- "tackling machine"
- he will spill his guts on the football field
- plays hard
don't know him  
Hades07 : 5/10/2014 2:48 pm : link
but his write ups read like a guy who will be a strong special teams player.
Omg, this dude didn't look good on combine  
nybeast : 5/10/2014 2:48 pm : link
I'm sorry I can't rely on "in Reese we trust." The Giants are forcing a theme in this draft of getting character and leadership while addressing needs. I get it and perhaps the Will Hill situation caused this change. But still, this guy is not fast, can't catch, and isn't that strong. Idk what the Giants are doing. Is this insurance for Stevie Brown? Or someone to play Deon Grant? Replacement for Will Hill?

I hope I'm wrong, but this draft blows!
RE: RE: I think Reese  
BigBlueBuff : 5/10/2014 2:49 pm : link
In comment 11669576 jeff57 said:
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In comment 11669548 Mendenhall said:


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has a death wish. This draft has been a disaster. TE,LB,OT? It's time for a change.

So



Be careful. The pom pom squad will come and try to shout you down.

Oh spare us your mock outrage.
I've never seen the guy play, but  
Bill in UT : 5/10/2014 2:49 pm : link
I looked at a couple of minutes of his highlight reel and if someone had told me it was Will Hill from a distance, I might have believed it. The guy is a nasty hitter.
from reddit  
Mattman : 5/10/2014 2:49 pm : link
Do you have a pre-game ritual/meal before every game? If so, what is it?

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[]Nat Berhe - NFL draft prospectnatberhe[S] 149 points 2 days ago

I just pray and then go hunt.
Fresno St.  
robbieballs2003 : 5/10/2014 2:49 pm : link
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Sounds alright to me  
LPete : 5/10/2014 2:49 pm : link
He could be a nickel guy. At least hes a player and not a raw ass athlete
chrisr  
Big Blue '56 : 5/10/2014 2:49 pm : link
Go fuck yourself you pathetic idiot
2013  
sjnyfan : 5/10/2014 2:49 pm : link
99 tackles, 0 INTs
We need a contributor  
spike : 5/10/2014 2:49 pm : link
Not just a ST player
RE: Horrible Pick. way too slow  
okiegiant : 5/10/2014 2:49 pm : link
In comment 11669520 Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 said:
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bad pick...


Rich, you've been disgusted by this entire draft. Do yourself a favor and take a walk...enjoy the day.

Seems like he might be a special teams contributor initially.
RE: Rob Rang  
bigbluescot : 5/10/2014 2:50 pm : link
In comment 11669573 DanMetroMan said:
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To me, he looks faster on the field than I anticipate hell run on the track. On the field he makes a lot of plays and I think hes a guy that can be successful, Rang said. Theres only so many guys who have real instincts for the position, and that impresses.

I think he has a real chance of being drafted in the sixth or seventh round, mid to late Day 3.

Berhe (5-foot-10, 194 pounds) finished his SDSU career with 41 starts and 299 tackles and was a force at the Aztec safety position.

His two years as the starter at Aztec safety will pay off in the NFL, Rang said, because most teams are now on the lookout for versatile defensive backs who can play free safety or strong safety.

Berhes versatility, his intelligence, and his open field tackling skills will all make him more marketable.

Rang thinks Berhe will impress on the white board and thats where hell start to build some buzz.

Additionally, even though Berhe isnt very big physically, his open field tackling ability will help him out, Rang said. Hes a good football player. There are a lot of safeties in this class that are flashy athletes but dont tackle well.

Because he does, I think its coaches rather than scouts that are going to jump on him. Someone is going to give him a chance because of the consistency hes shown in his career.


My only issue with the pick is that with another pick coming up relatively soon, I'm not sure they needed to take him with the first pick in the round.

But it's the 5th round, you're either taking players based on production with limited measurables or players with measurables and limited production.
This is turning out to be worst Giants draft in history  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 5/10/2014 2:50 pm : link
Holy crap i am so disappointed. its like mid 1970's drafting
Just tweeted buddy  
SBlue46 : 5/10/2014 2:50 pm : link
In SD...said he never heard
Of him

Anybody Reese drafts  
Big Rick in FL : 5/10/2014 2:50 pm : link
Is going to get some of these idiots pissed off. I can't even count how many times I have read this offseason that we don't want guys who are workout warriors. That we need to get good football players. Which we do and then people are bitching about their combine performance.
I like what I see....  
Wonderphil11 : 5/10/2014 2:51 pm : link
from his highlight tape, seems like a heat seeking missile out there.
Lindy's Draft Guide....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 5/10/2014 2:52 pm : link
....Has Him As One Their "3 To Watch" Safeties.

"Dynamic Player With Better Ability Than Size, But His Effort And Versatility Are Enough To Keep Him Around".
May be an ST specialist  
old man : 5/10/2014 2:52 pm : link
Also that comment about improving to something else means he has some desire for the game.
Give him a chance.
Damn this dude is smart  
BarbieCarpenter : 5/10/2014 2:52 pm : link
That AMA link is must read before anyone touches their keyboard to rant about him.
I don't know what people are complaining about  
Bill L : 5/10/2014 2:52 pm : link
We don't have a 7 th round pick this year. So we have to take it when we can get it.

Seriously, they scout these people and they're capable. He likely gives them something different that they can use.
He was tolp at the Combine in broad and vertical jumps at his position  
Canton : 5/10/2014 2:52 pm : link
That scouting report claiming he has blazing speed is erroneous.. Lol. Thanks Dan. 4.71 40. My grandmother has better closing speed. But only on Sundays when we have Manicotti.
RE: This is turning out to be worst Giants draft in history  
BestFeature : 5/10/2014 2:52 pm : link
In comment 11669605 Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 said:
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Holy crap i am so disappointed. its like mid 1970's drafting


And you know this how? They haven't even had 1 practice yet.
RE: RE: RE: I think Reese  
jeff57 : 5/10/2014 2:52 pm : link
In comment 11669595 BigBlueBuff said:
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In comment 11669576 jeff57 said:


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In comment 11669548 Mendenhall said:


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has a death wish. This draft has been a disaster. TE,LB,OT? It's time for a change.

So



Be careful. The pom pom squad will come and try to shout you down.


Oh spare us your mock outrage.


On cue.
Reese has his job on the line and makes picks  
Headhunter : 5/10/2014 2:52 pm : link
Fat fucking coach potatoes eating cheese doodles with not a penny on the line and no skin in the game go banana's, and I'm supposed to listen to you why again?
He fits the mold of all these picks  
SuperRonJohnson : 5/10/2014 2:53 pm : link
High character, smart, captain. After football he will join his family business. They run a non-profit group home for emotionally disturbed adults. That was mentioned on ESPN.
RE: This is turning out to be worst Giants draft in history  
SanFranGiantsFan : 5/10/2014 2:53 pm : link
In comment 11669605 Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 said:
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Holy crap i am so disappointed. its like mid 1970's drafting


The fact that you hate his draft makes me think we've hit a home run on each pick.
Doc, take a break...don't let certain posters get to you...  
okiegiant : 5/10/2014 2:53 pm : link
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Are we allowed to have any commentary on  
JesseS : 5/10/2014 2:54 pm : link
Picks? If we can't criticize, because we know nothing, doesn't that mean we can't praise either? Being a fan is an interactive experience. When legitimate scouting publications rank someone close to an UDFA, aren't we allowed to be puzzled when they're picked in the third and fifth rounds? Or should we just defer to management? The giants, and every other team, miss all the time. Clearly, it's not a science and up to some scrutiny? Some of the pro- every pick guys are significantly ruder and more obnoxious than the other side and are grown men that talk like children.
..................  
sphinx : 5/10/2014 2:54 pm : link
Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 2m
#NYG SS, 5th round pick RT @NatBerhe: I'm going to give everything I got to the @Giants and everybody who passed on me...I'm coming."

RE: We need a contributor  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/10/2014 2:54 pm : link
In comment 11669602 spike said:
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Not just a ST player


A ST player is a contributor.

Rich, go drag an Eagle round the block  
WeatherMan : 5/10/2014 2:54 pm : link
clearly you need to blow off some steam
Dammit people  
mrvax : 5/10/2014 2:54 pm : link
the Giants have scouts that are better than you and I. Relax. We will see these guys soon enough.
...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 5/10/2014 2:54 pm : link
Dude's already changed his Twitter background to the Giants logo. Love it.
RE: We need a contributor  
CGiants07 : 5/10/2014 2:55 pm : link
In comment 11669602 spike said:
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Not just a ST player


at safety we don't need an early contributor with rolle,brown,demps,hill(susp?) and taylor already on the roster
RE: Are we allowed to have any commentary on  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/10/2014 2:55 pm : link
In comment 11669630 JesseS said:
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Picks? If we can't criticize, because we know nothing, doesn't that mean we can't praise either? Being a fan is an interactive experience. When legitimate scouting publications rank someone close to an UDFA, aren't we allowed to be puzzled when they're picked in the third and fifth rounds? Or should we just defer to management? The giants, and every other team, miss all the time. Clearly, it's not a science and up to some scrutiny? Some of the pro- every pick guys are significantly ruder and more obnoxious than the other side and are grown men that talk like children.


Plenty of publications have him as a 3-5.
RE: Just tweeted buddy  
PetesHereNow : 5/10/2014 2:55 pm : link
In comment 11669606 SBlue46 said:
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In SD...said he never heard
Of him

Then he doesn't watch MWC ball. Guys one of the best players in the conference.
Guaranteed to happen on BBI  
Lowell.. : 5/10/2014 2:56 pm : link
After JR, TC, and Ross spin this pick, the typical BBI comment will be: "At first I hated the pick but now I'm starting to like this guy."
I don't see who he bumps from the roster, but  
Bill in UT : 5/10/2014 2:56 pm : link
I could see him on the PS in case of a Hill suspension or injuries to Taylor or Brown
...  
rbsp7 : 5/10/2014 2:56 pm : link
He did an AMA on reddit a few days ago, pretty interesting, smart kid.
Nat Berhe AMA - ( New Window )
JesseS this is your  
Headhunter : 5/10/2014 2:56 pm : link
2nd whine about being able to criticize. We'll extend that fucking logic and realize you can criticize the critic
Jeff57  
BigBlueBuff : 5/10/2014 2:57 pm : link
If you don't have enough self-awareness, despite an entire group of people pointing it out, to recognize just what an insufferable douchebag you are then I don't know what to tell you.
Tomorrow he Giants will Unveil their 2014 Slogan  
Boy Cord : 5/10/2014 2:57 pm : link
The New York Giants: We're Just Smarter than You

If I had my way they would have drafted an OL in the 2nd that can
play Tackle. This team is woefully thin at Tackle. Since they were going RB anyway, I would have preferred Tre Mason in the 3rd, then get your DT. I'm pretty speechless about this pick.



He's  
AcidTest : 5/10/2014 2:57 pm : link
for ST with that type of heat seeking missile personality. His slow speed would get him killed in coverage. ST and backup duty only. Who knows whether we could have done better? Character and production are there. People, myself included, get locked into certain players, even this late, and get pissed when the FO passes over them for "unknowns."
Well extend  
Headhunter : 5/10/2014 2:57 pm : link
.
From his AMA on Reddit  
ImaGiant86 : 5/10/2014 2:58 pm : link
Quote:
Q: Hi Nat. Have you spoken with any of your former SDSU teammates who have been through the draft process (Miles Burris, Ronnie Hillman and Ryan Lindley)? If so, what advice have they given you? Good luck with the draft, I'll be rooting for you.

A: I've spoken to a ton of guys, the best advice I've received has actually come from Allen Bradford (Giants) he's my brothers best friend and the guy has a bit of Ray Lewis in him so he's definitely motivational.

Q: If you don't mind my asking, what advice did he give you?

A: He just told me that teams know a ball player when they see one and not to worry about the process, that the combine is for the fans and that when the draft comes around teams are doing what the need to win games.


I like this pick, looking beyond the 2014 season this pick makes sense.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Are we allowed to have any commentary on  
The Natural : 5/10/2014 2:58 pm : link
In comment 11669630 JesseS said:
Quote:
Picks? If we can't criticize, because we know nothing, doesn't that mean we can't praise either? Being a fan is an interactive experience. When legitimate scouting publications rank someone close to an UDFA, aren't we allowed to be puzzled when they're picked in the third and fifth rounds? Or should we just defer to management? The giants, and every other team, miss all the time. Clearly, it's not a science and up to some scrutiny? Some of the pro- every pick guys are significantly ruder and more obnoxious than the other side and are grown men that talk like children.


You are a poopie head.....

This is a great pick.....Dumbo.
They are not drafting projects with good measurables  
Mattman : 5/10/2014 2:58 pm : link
They are drafting high football IQ players who eat, sleep and breathe football. These are guys who will outwork a lot of the other prospects who have gotten by with just talent but who are lazy fucks. Guys the Giants have been drafting recently.
RE: RE: Are we allowed to have any commentary on  
JesseS : 5/10/2014 2:58 pm : link
In comment 11669643 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 11669630 JesseS said:


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Picks? If we can't criticize, because we know nothing, doesn't that mean we can't praise either? Being a fan is an interactive experience.



Plenty of publications have him as a 3-5.


Right. Like I said, it's not a science, or players would be ranked and assigned to teams based on an algorithm. But it doesn't mean there can't be criticism. And I'm not sure most people would consider the Giants home run hitters on the draft or infallible.
RE: He fits the mold of all these picks  
Fred in Atlanta : 5/10/2014 3:00 pm : link
In comment 11669626 SuperRonJohnson said:
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High character, smart, captain. After football he will join his family business. They run a non-profit group home for emotionally disturbed adults. That was mentioned on ESPN.


He is coming to a place where they can find. A lot of candidates for there home
RE: JesseS this is your  
JesseS : 5/10/2014 3:00 pm : link
In comment 11669651 Headhunter said:
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2nd whine about being able to criticize. We'll extend that fucking logic and realize you can criticize the critic


I'm whining? So how should the board behave?
RE: Tomorrow he Giants will Unveil their 2014 Slogan  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/10/2014 3:01 pm : link
In comment 11669654 Boy Cord said:
Quote:
The New York Giants: We're Just Smarter than You

If I had my way they would have drafted an OL in the 2nd that can
play Tackle. This team is woefully thin at Tackle. Since they were going RB anyway, I would have preferred Tre Mason in the 3rd, then get your DT. I'm pretty speechless about this pick.




Woefully thin? There are 5 guys on the roster that can play tackle.
That little guy is a hitting machine  
Maineline : 5/10/2014 3:01 pm : link
I don't know how fast he times but his video shows a very instinctive player who gets to the ball quickly and delivers a wallop. Seems like a real football player rather then a measurables only draft day fantasy.
There is valid criticism back up by valid points  
Headhunter : 5/10/2014 3:01 pm : link
and arguments to support. I'm only criticizing the knee jerk morons that bitch because they can and nothing to back up their criticism other than 3rd grade temper tantrums
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think Reese  
Kulish29 : 5/10/2014 3:02 pm : link
In comment 11669622 jeff57 said:
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In comment 11669595 BigBlueBuff said:


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In comment 11669576 jeff57 said:


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In comment 11669548 Mendenhall said:


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has a death wish. This draft has been a disaster. TE,LB,OT? It's time for a change.

So



Be careful. The pom pom squad will come and try to shout you down.


Oh spare us your mock outrage.



On cue.


And, on cue, we have your idiotic bullshit. You cant even pretend to know the things the Giants FO knows about these players. Yet, you and your idiot brethern continue to act like you know better than them because you read some shit on the internet and watched some highlight clips. Get a fucking clue and shut the fuck up.
I really  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/10/2014 3:03 pm : link
like this kid's game.
Needs  
Jon in NYC : 5/10/2014 3:03 pm : link
to bulk up, but he clearly isn't scared to lay into someone. Certainly worth a late round flier.
RE: Lindy's Draft Guide....  
Spock : 5/10/2014 3:03 pm : link
In comment 11669613 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....Has Him As One Their "3 To Watch" Safeties.

"Dynamic Player With Better Ability Than Size, But His Effort And Versatility Are Enough To Keep Him Around".


I'm sure Rich doesn't get this guide.
Here's a shocker: some of these guys are gonna hit.  
Crispino : 5/10/2014 3:03 pm : link
Some are not. Just like every other team. To sit here and say you are either thrilled or pissed is is just a matter of whether you choose to be an optimist or a pessimist.
..................  
sphinx : 5/10/2014 3:03 pm : link
Conor Orr ‏@ConorTOrr 31s
Berhe got a call from the #Giants about a week ago to make sure the phone number was right, but that's about it.

Ebenezer Samuel ‏@ebenezersamuel 44s
Nat Berhe says his instincts are his best quality. Chicks will dig this too: "I have great eyes."

RE: I really  
Spock : 5/10/2014 3:04 pm : link
In comment 11669676 Eric from BBI said:
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like this kid's game.


You just alienated half of your constituents here with this comment. Ha
RE: There is valid criticism back up by valid points  
JesseS : 5/10/2014 3:04 pm : link
In comment 11669672 Headhunter said:
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and arguments to support. I'm only criticizing the knee jerk morons that bitch because they can and nothing to back up their criticism other than 3rd grade temper tantrums


I was saying the same thing. :|

Talking about the draft is fun, without the lunacy from both sides. Not sure that makes me a whiner. I'm a social worker and a mediator, trying to understand why people act more nutty than my clients about a sport.
..................  
sphinx : 5/10/2014 3:05 pm : link
Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 4s
Nat Berhe played the hybrid LB/S position at San Diego State. Same position coaches at New Mexico State developed for Brian Urlacher #nyg

Ebenezer Samuel ‏@ebenezersamuel 5s
Some viewed Berhe as a strong safety, nickel and free safety. Giants dug three-safety look a few years ago. Have since reloaded a LB though.

Conor Orr ‏@ConorTOrr 27s
Berhe played the same position as Brian Urlacher in college. A hybrid linebacker-safety. Feels like he can play Nickel, free and strong.

JesseS  
Headhunter : 5/10/2014 3:05 pm : link
just a tip, make your counter argument against the pick and support it and dont worry about the right to criticize
RE: I like what I see....  
muhajir : 5/10/2014 3:05 pm : link
In comment 11669609 Wonderphil11 said:
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from his highlight tape, seems like a heat seeking missile out there.


Agreed. He's skinny but a lot like Will Hill when he hits the ball carrier there's a big collision and they go down immediately.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think Reese  
jeff57 : 5/10/2014 3:05 pm : link
In comment 11669675 Kulish29 said:
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In comment 11669622 jeff57 said:


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In comment 11669595 BigBlueBuff said:


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In comment 11669576 jeff57 said:


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In comment 11669548 Mendenhall said:


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has a death wish. This draft has been a disaster. TE,LB,OT? It's time for a change.

So



Be careful. The pom pom squad will come and try to shout you down.


Oh spare us your mock outrage.



On cue.



And, on cue, we have your idiotic bullshit. You cant even pretend to know the things the Giants FO knows about these players. Yet, you and your idiot brethern continue to act like you know better than them because you read some shit on the internet and watched some highlight clips. Get a fucking clue and shut the fuck up.


Must be the shout down leader of the pom pom squad.

No dissent allowed. All hail King Reese.
it's the 5th round  
bluepepper : 5/10/2014 3:06 pm : link
if he becomes a good ST player and decent backup safety then it's a good pick.
RE: Another reach  
Great White Ghost : 5/10/2014 3:06 pm : link
In comment 11669527 donald92 said:
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Reese needs to go, he's clueless.
I don't think so. I think he may not have a high ceiling, but I wouldn't call it "low".He will be a solid rotational player that will probably stick, and that's about all you can ask out of a fifth rounder. Again, the Giants drafted a "football player" which is what all of the guys they got so far are, and leaders.gusy that don't have to be babysat and are self motivated.This guys lives and breathes football from what I've read and has great instincts, a nose for the ball and likes to hit and hits hard.So he's short, they'll stick him in the slot, BFD.He plays specials as well.They may switch him to corner.
..................  
sphinx : 5/10/2014 3:07 pm : link
Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 1m
Nat Berhe: "If you look at my film, I try to be the biggest, baddest dude out there. That's just the way I play." #nyg

RE: ..................  
Jon in NYC : 5/10/2014 3:07 pm : link
In comment 11669688 sphinx said:
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Ebenezer Samuel ‏@ebenezersamuel 5s
Some viewed Berhe as a strong safety, nickel and free safety. Giants dug three-safety look a few years ago. Have since reloaded a LB though.



In what world have the giants "reloaded" at LB?
Will Hill didn't have great timed speed either  
Jim in Forest Hills : 5/10/2014 3:08 pm : link
this kid seems a similar violent type hitter/tackler.
RE: Here's a shocker: some of these guys are gonna hit.  
Kulish29 : 5/10/2014 3:08 pm : link
In comment 11669680 Crispino said:
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Some are not. Just like every other team. To sit here and say you are either thrilled or pissed is is just a matter of whether you choose to be an optimist or a pessimist.


It has more to do with people seeing BIG SEXY NAMES on the board still and the Giants not taking those BIG SEXY NAMES because everybody knows BIG SEXY NAMES always make it in the NFL.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/10/2014 3:08 pm : link
Conor Orr ‏@ConorTOrr 44s

Berhe: "I just play...with a lot of anger. I try to take people's heads off. I think that's how the S position should be played." #nyg
It's a slight reach in that there would be a decent chance  
bigbluescot : 5/10/2014 3:08 pm : link
he'd be there with our second 5th round pick.
..................  
sphinx : 5/10/2014 3:09 pm : link
Conor Orr ‏@ConorTOrr 1m
Berhe: "I just play...with a lot of anger. I try to take people's heads off. I think that's how the S position should be played." #nyg

Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 1m
Nat Berhe: "To be a great leader, you've got to be willing to serve." #nyg

Ebenezer Samuel ‏@ebenezersamuel 1m
Nat Berhe was a team captain at San Diego State. And Colton High.

Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 1m
Nat Berhe played the hybrid LB/S position at San Diego State. Same position coaches at New Mexico developed for Brian Urlacher #nyg

Ebenezer Samuel ‏@ebenezersamuel 1m
Berhe says he's added weight since 193-pound combine weigh-in. He's up to 202.

SDSU fan here  
SHO'NUFF : 5/10/2014 3:09 pm : link
Nat is a player! played in Rocky Long's 3-3-5 defense. Always heard his name mentioned on TV...for good things.
I don't know this kid  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/10/2014 3:09 pm : link
but I like that he sees himself as a hitter. I guess we'll see what he can do.
I don't criticize guys I have never seen, but  
Spock : 5/10/2014 3:10 pm : link
The video from the combine shows me he has bad hands. I can see why he had no interceptions this past year. He dropped a lot of those passes.
stable of safteys  
shabu : 5/10/2014 3:11 pm : link
We sure have a stable of safteys. Sheesh
I like it as insurance  
beatrixkiddo : 5/10/2014 3:11 pm : link
incase Hill is suspended or cut.

Kid isn't afraid to lay wood, seems dedicated, and seems to have some potential.
Spock  
Mattman : 5/10/2014 3:12 pm : link
He said after the combine he was having his QB throw him 300 balls a day to improve... and caught everything at the pro day
love this kids  
Fast Adam : 5/10/2014 3:12 pm : link
Attitude. Like what the tape shows. Can't base everything on the combine and timed speed you bunch of whiners.
Do you people realize  
Natek212 : 5/10/2014 3:12 pm : link
We are in the 5th round of the draft? You are not going to get a surefire stud here. You are going to have to take risks at this point. You are going to see reaches here, especially when we only have 2 picks left. Obviously the Giants like the kid for reasons we may not know. There's no point in saying it was a stupid pick, in 3 years you might be able to say that. You just sound ignorant saying a 5th round pick is stupid because the Giants didn't draft the player you wanted them to.
Mattman  
Spock : 5/10/2014 3:13 pm : link
I loved reading what you wrote. That is awesome. It shows me this kid wants to improve and will do what it takes to do just that. Again, how can you not love that?
Special teams player  
scott in albany : 5/10/2014 3:14 pm : link
at best. Hate this pick. Nat prove me wrong.
RE: JesseS  
JesseS : 5/10/2014 3:14 pm : link
In comment 11669689 Headhunter said:
Quote:
just a tip, make your counter argument against the pick and support it and dont worry about the right to criticize


I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate but alright.
Stanford Safety Ed Reynolds  
PeterS : 5/10/2014 3:15 pm : link
was still on the board. So was Georgia tight end Arthur Lynch. I hope Nat Berhe works out better than those two because I would have taken either of them.
Hopefully  
Moondwg : 5/10/2014 3:15 pm : link
this will be one of those "Why the fuck is Tyree out there" sorts of threads we can look to and laugh at in 3 years.
I know its highlight film  
dune69 : 5/10/2014 3:15 pm : link
but everyone should take the time to watch. This kid plays to and through the ball. He will not stop if he is the first or the fourth to the ball until the whistle is blown. He seems to love to hit. His game speed looks good because he seems to anticipate very well. He's a hitter. He may be a flyer or he may be a steal. He would not be the first 5th rounder to be a very good football player. I like this pick at round 5.
Berhe  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/10/2014 3:16 pm : link
ran a 4.56 at his Pro Day.
RE: stable of safteys  
Kulish29 : 5/10/2014 3:18 pm : link
In comment 11669716 shabu said:
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We sure have a stable of safteys. Sheesh


No, we really dont.


Stevie Brown

Quintin Demps

Will Hill

Rolle, Antrel

Cooper Taylor

That's 4 Safetys if you dont include Hill because he's probably going to be suspended.
Giants have drafted character,intelligence, leadership, and production  
SuperRonJohnson : 5/10/2014 3:18 pm : link
I like the picks. Forget the Combine T-shirt All-American stars. You can't put a combine number on heart either.
Berhe  
snickers : 5/10/2014 3:19 pm : link
I watched his film and reminds me a lot of Shamarko Thomas at Syracuse 2 years ago. Similar size and build with good tackling technique and willing to mix it up and always around the ball. Looks like a player and good insurance. I wanted Thomas for the Giants, so am happy with someone who could turn out to be quite similar.
That's the whole thing about 40s  
PetesHereNow : 5/10/2014 3:19 pm : link
If you're not a track guy, starting to run from that position can be very awkward and cost you valuable tenths of a second. Look at the deeper picture please. Kid had a great broad and vert jump so the problem isn't his quicks or explosion.
He is small, He is slow  
scott in albany : 5/10/2014 3:20 pm : link
When you you get to the NFL that can be a problem.
RE: He is small, He is slow  
PetesHereNow : 5/10/2014 3:21 pm : link
In comment 11669754 scott in albany said:
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When you you get to the NFL that can be a problem.


He's far from slow. Watch the tape.
You have been making statements that criticism  
Headhunter : 5/10/2014 3:22 pm : link
get criticized and no one can say anything against Reese and company. I say if you are going to put out emotional bullshit backed up with what I think is intent to stir it up, then I got the same right to go after you and you can come back at me. But the tactic of disarming return criticism in advance by writing" you are not allowed to criticize Reese" isn't going to fly with me
RE: Giants have drafted character,intelligence, leadership, and production  
JesseS : 5/10/2014 3:22 pm : link
In comment 11669746 SuperRonJohnson said:
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I like the picks. Forget the Combine T-shirt All-American stars. You can't put a combine number on heart either.


It's so infrequent that the big names that slip didn't slip for a big reason and not end up flaming out or not contributing. Every year big names are simply big names.
Relative to the times they played in,  
Big Blue '56 : 5/10/2014 3:22 pm : link
Paul Krause then later Everson Walls were slow as shot, BUT, they anticipated well, had an eye for the ball and in effect played "fast."

Speed is not only relevant with a stopwatch
RE: Berhe  
Ira : 5/10/2014 3:23 pm : link
In comment 11669737 Eric from BBI said:
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ran a 4.56 at his Pro Day.


That's better, but it was probably a faster track.
RE: You have been making statements that criticism  
chris r : 5/10/2014 3:23 pm : link
In comment 11669758 Headhunter said:
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get criticized and no one can say anything against Reese and company. I say if you are going to put out emotional bullshit backed up with what I think is intent to stir it up, then I got the same right to go after you and you can come back at me. But the tactic of disarming return criticism in advance by writing" you are not allowed to criticize Reese" isn't going to fly with me


How about focusing on the player and letting people have whatever damn opinion they want, Mr Hall Monitor?
RE: RE: You have been making statements that criticism  
Kulish29 : 5/10/2014 3:26 pm : link
In comment 11669766 chris r said:
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In comment 11669758 Headhunter said:


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get criticized and no one can say anything against Reese and company. I say if you are going to put out emotional bullshit backed up with what I think is intent to stir it up, then I got the same right to go after you and you can come back at me. But the tactic of disarming return criticism in advance by writing" you are not allowed to criticize Reese" isn't going to fly with me



How about focusing on the player and letting people have whatever damn opinion they want, Mr Hall Monitor?


Holy fucking shit. How many times does it need to be said? Opinions are fine. It's when an idiot says, 'OMG! I cant believe that they left [insert man crush here] on the board! This guy sucks!'

That's not an opinion, it's nonsensical bullshit footstamping all because someone posting on an internet message board thinks they know more than an NFL FO Exec.
chris r  
Headhunter : 5/10/2014 3:26 pm : link
you little dumb prick, your have the reading comprehension of a retarded gnat
RE: chris r  
Jon in NYC : 5/10/2014 3:28 pm : link
In comment 11669776 Headhunter said:
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you little dumb prick, your have the reading comprehension of a retarded gnat


BBI 2.0!
I hope the Giants take a goddamn Punter with the next pick  
Kulish29 : 5/10/2014 3:29 pm : link
If we're lucky, some of the amateur hour FO types here will break their computers.
eric  
SBlue46 : 5/10/2014 3:30 pm : link
Nat gets almost every
Tackle no matter where
He is...we need to find
A lb like him...or he can
Be our nickle lb...stop
The run.
RE: I hope the Giants take a goddamn Punter with the next pick  
PetesHereNow : 5/10/2014 3:30 pm : link
In comment 11669784 Kulish29 said:
Quote:
If we're lucky, some of the amateur hour FO types here will break their computers.


mettenberger plz so we can have 4 months of "we should trade Eli" lol
A first in the NFL  
CromartiesKid21 : 5/10/2014 3:30 pm : link
from his Reddit interview:
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Burr-Hey. It's east african, my father is Eritrean which would likely make me the first Eritrean in the NFL, god willing.
...  
Kulish29 : 5/10/2014 3:31 pm : link
4 picks til next Giants pick, which I predict will provoke fan reaction disproportionate to its big-picture relevance.

-Dan Graziano tweet
RE: You have been making statements that criticism  
JesseS : 5/10/2014 3:31 pm : link
In comment 11669758 Headhunter said:
Quote:
get criticized and no one can say anything against Reese and company. I say if you are going to put out emotional bullshit backed up with what I think is intent to stir it up, then I got the same right to go after you and you can come back at me. But the tactic of disarming return criticism in advance by writing" you are not allowed to criticize Reese" isn't going to fly with me


Either I'm miscommunicating something or you're reading something wrong. I said both sides need to chill out and that it'd be more fun if peoples didnt act like lunatics. It's not a tactic or emotional. I've been on this site since the beginning. Not a stir it up sort of guy and clearly a miscommunication. Go nuts going after me.
RE: RE: RE: You have been making statements that criticism  
jeff57 : 5/10/2014 3:31 pm : link
In comment 11669772 Kulish29 said:
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In comment 11669766 chris r said:


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In comment 11669758 Headhunter said:


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get criticized and no one can say anything against Reese and company. I say if you are going to put out emotional bullshit backed up with what I think is intent to stir it up, then I got the same right to go after you and you can come back at me. But the tactic of disarming return criticism in advance by writing" you are not allowed to criticize Reese" isn't going to fly with me



How about focusing on the player and letting people have whatever damn opinion they want, Mr Hall Monitor?



Holy fucking shit. How many times does it need to be said? Opinions are fine. It's when an idiot says, 'OMG! I cant believe that they left [insert man crush here] on the board! This guy sucks!'

That's not an opinion, it's nonsensical bullshit footstamping all because someone posting on an internet message board thinks they know more than an NFL FO Exec.


It's your opinion that it's not an opinion.

And, fyi, it is an opinion. Just one you don't like.
Does Chip Kelly have a neck?  
Kulish29 : 5/10/2014 3:32 pm : link
Or does he just shrug all the time?
looks  
SBlue46 : 5/10/2014 3:33 pm : link
Like Hills replacement
RE: RE: RE: RE: You have been making statements that criticism  
Kulish29 : 5/10/2014 3:34 pm : link
In comment 11669795 jeff57 said:
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In comment 11669772 Kulish29 said:


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In comment 11669766 chris r said:


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In comment 11669758 Headhunter said:


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get criticized and no one can say anything against Reese and company. I say if you are going to put out emotional bullshit backed up with what I think is intent to stir it up, then I got the same right to go after you and you can come back at me. But the tactic of disarming return criticism in advance by writing" you are not allowed to criticize Reese" isn't going to fly with me



How about focusing on the player and letting people have whatever damn opinion they want, Mr Hall Monitor?



Holy fucking shit. How many times does it need to be said? Opinions are fine. It's when an idiot says, 'OMG! I cant believe that they left [insert man crush here] on the board! This guy sucks!'

That's not an opinion, it's nonsensical bullshit footstamping all because someone posting on an internet message board thinks they know more than an NFL FO Exec.



It's your opinion that it's not an opinion.

And, fyi, it is an opinion. Just one you don't like.


It's not an opinion when it's presented as fact. But, I dont expect someone like you to be able to comprehend something like that.
RE: I hope the Giants take a goddamn Punter with the next pick  
Big Blue '56 : 5/10/2014 3:34 pm : link
In comment 11669784 Kulish29 said:
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If we're lucky, some of the amateur hour FO types here will break their computers.


The problem with that Kulish, is that they'll fellate THAT pick
You have to love a guy who calls playing football  
Great White Ghost : 5/10/2014 3:34 pm : link
"Hunting".
RE: Does Chip Kelly have a neck?  
JesseS : 5/10/2014 3:35 pm : link
In comment 11669798 Kulish29 said:
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Or does he just shrug all the time?


He looks like he's wearing an invisible neck halo, or whatever they call that. Or he's a robot.
I don't know anything about this kid  
4thand17 : 5/10/2014 3:35 pm : link
but is there any such thing as a "reach" in the 5th round?
RE: RE: I think Reese  
BMac : 5/10/2014 3:38 pm : link
In comment 11669576 jeff57 said:
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In comment 11669548 Mendenhall said:


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has a death wish. This draft has been a disaster. TE,LB,OT? It's time for a change.



Be careful. The pom pom squad will come and try to shout you down.


The pom-pom squad, eh? This shows how truly clueless you and your ilk really are. All you do is trash whatever picks are made, with no attempt at a reasoned argument.

Intellectually, you operate at around a fifth-grade level (my apologies to any fifth-graders here) and then try to lay the same sort of mindless, reactionary crappola on those who point out your lack of cerebral rigor.
Saying  
Kulish29 : 5/10/2014 3:39 pm : link
"Man, they took Player A but, I really liked Player B better because...I dont like Player A because..."

is an opinion

Saying,

"I cant believe they took Player A. He sucks. Player B is sooo much better because he was ranked [insert worthless internet ranking here] and his scouting report was sooo much better. Player A is going to be terrible, what an awful pick by Reese."

is not an opinion. It's is something that is presented as fact by a know nothing, internet troll.

If you cant see the difference, well, then I'm not surprised.
chris r  
BigBlueShock : 5/10/2014 3:40 pm : link
is the worst poster on this board. Bar none. The clown has literally never had even one single remotely contributing post. Usually you can find at least one redeeming quality in a person, but this character draws blanks.

Chris, I am completely aware that it is your shtick to be the contrarian. I get that. But you really should take a look at yourself man. The fact that not one person that posts regularly on this site can tolerate you should make you want to improve yourself. And yes, this is where you tell me that you don't care what others think of you. Fine. But you really are a complete tool. I sit back and read your posts and can't imagine that someone would like to go through life like this. If you want to be a miserable prick, that's fine. But please, do it on your own damn time, in your own world. It's not cool to infest this site with your bullshit. Just go away. You would not be missed. I promise.
.  
10to80for6 : 5/10/2014 3:40 pm : link
A reach when the guy is projected as a 7th rounder or udfa.
RE: RE: I hope the Giants take a goddamn Punter with the next pick  
Kulish29 : 5/10/2014 3:41 pm : link
In comment 11669805 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 11669784 Kulish29 said:


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If we're lucky, some of the amateur hour FO types here will break their computers.



The problem with that Kulish, is that they'll fellate THAT pick


Damn, you're right...
RE: RE: RE: You have been making statements that criticism  
BigK : 5/10/2014 3:41 pm : link
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That's not an opinion, it's nonsensical bullshit footstamping all because someone posting on an internet message board thinks they know more than an NFL FO Exec.


^^^^^^^^^^this
Eric from BBI,  
Blackbeard : 5/10/2014 3:48 pm : link
"I really like this kid's game."

Does this refer to Nat Berhe or did you mean 'kids-game', as in 'school yard argument' being carried on by the children on this thread?

"You're one too!" "So's your old man!" "Teacher, he cursed at me!"
Hybrid  
Reb8thVA : 5/10/2014 3:48 pm : link
LB/s type. I thought that is why we drafted Cooper Taylor last year.
I swear  
Arcanum : 5/10/2014 3:50 pm : link
If the Giants were to listen to some of you so called draft experts, we wouldn't be sitting on 2 Super Bowls over the last few years. Some of you guys have been shit talking since round one. Get off the damn rag for crying out loud. The Giants are doing what's best for the damn Giants. Not for BBI
Some of  
Arcanum : 5/10/2014 3:53 pm : link
You are forgetting, that Will purple haze Hill is facing a suspension. And Stevie Brown is coming off a acl injury. So yes we need safety help
RE: chris r  
BMac : 5/10/2014 3:53 pm : link
In comment 11669848 BigBlueShock said:
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is the worst poster on this board. Bar none. The clown has literally never had even one single remotely contributing post. Usually you can find at least one redeeming quality in a person, but this character draws blanks.


Shoots them, too, is what I'm lead to understand.
Agree with Deej  
nicky43 : 5/10/2014 3:56 pm : link
The Giants are strong on having players with high charachtor and good morals but it seems every pick this year is concentrating more on their leadership ability and how smart they are over performance much more than usual. The only pick they made so far that I've heard of before was Odel but I don't watch much college football.
I'm With You, BB56,  
clatterbuck : 5/10/2014 3:59 pm : link
can't stand the idiocy any longer.
Relax. An insurance pick.  
Red Dog : 5/10/2014 4:01 pm : link
This guy is insurance against a possible Will Hill suspension, a probable Cooper Taylor injury, and the possibility that Stevie Brown has some issues returning from the injury.
RE: .  
BMac : 5/10/2014 4:01 pm : link
In comment 11669850 10to80for6 said:
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A reach when the guy is projected as a 7th rounder or udfa.


According to whom? There's not one of the self-appointed "experts" that really knows jack about the prospects. Hell, take any random 10 draft pubs and I'll wager that there are going to be far more similarities than differences.

Shit, they're all talking to the same people, including each other, and then tweaking the slightest bit to provide a surface gloss of "difference/knowledge/acumen" et cetera.
Jimmy Ward went first round, number 30, to the 49ers.  
MOOPS : 5/10/2014 4:07 pm : link
To be honest, probably not a lot of difference between Berhe and Ward. Anybody who loves that pick and hates Berhe in the 5th has a friggin screw loose.
Now we know  
Defenderdawg : 5/10/2014 4:26 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano@RVacchianoNYDN46 secs
On S Nat Behre, Jerry Reese said "This guy is a football player"
More Reese  
Defenderdawg : 5/10/2014 4:28 pm : link
Paul Schwartz@NYPost_Schwartz1 min
Reese calls S Nat Behre "a tackling machine
.....  
Micko : 5/10/2014 5:05 pm : link
After watching his highlights I"m not sure why anyone is complaining. He clearly has instincts and knack for making big hits. Looks interesting to me.
Eric Pinkins, FS on san diego state  
mofti : 5/10/2014 5:07 pm : link
just got drafted by the seahawks. Also, we all know what Perry Fewel can do with safeties... Lets give this guy a chance.
RE: Another reach  
Dylan fan : 5/10/2014 5:26 pm : link
In comment 11669527 donald92 said:
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Reese needs to go, he's clueless.

Another fucking broken record. You must be Mendenhall's 2nd head. You need to go, you're clueless.
Dylan Fan.  
Klaatu : 5/10/2014 5:38 pm : link
I think they share the same head.
I never watched him play  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/10/2014 6:20 pm : link
live. I haven't watched him on TV. I haven't met with him, worked him out, or broken down his film to see what his potential upside or and how he fits what our team wants to do.

But I threw the remote because I never heard of him so it must be a reach.
seems like a real player  
GiantsFan84 : 5/10/2014 6:39 pm : link
just wonder if his measurable will hold up at the NFL level
Headhunter. you are singling out people with negative opinions  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 5/10/2014 7:24 pm : link
on draft..me included. You have to admit, this draft is bad.. As a fan of this team, I deeply care who gets drafted and I have made it clear in previous posts this draft exemplifies giants miss Gettleman.

Please let all people post there opinions so long as there are no naughty words
Rich, you have a point.  
Klaatu : 5/10/2014 8:33 pm : link
Unfortunately, it's on the top of your head.
RE: Rich, you have a point.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/10/2014 8:34 pm : link
In comment 11670943 Klaatu said:
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Unfortunately, it's on the top of your head.


Lol
LOVE this pick  
Jim Burt64 : 5/10/2014 8:41 pm : link
Instinctual, aggressive - good tackler.
He's a role player for sure  
Joey in VA : 5/10/2014 9:26 pm : link
But he'll be a fan favorite if you like effort, tenacity and aggression. He plays way faster than he times, he feet go a hundred miles an hour and he breaks down and accelerates well. If he was 6-1 and a touch faster he's a 2nd rounder. He's too aggressive at times but he should be a demon on special teams, I can see him being a great gunner.

He's one of those guys who the more you watch, the more you see, he really really grows on you. He'll have trouble with numbers we have Rolle, Hill, Brown, Demps, Cooper but he'll be hard to cut once he shows his ST ability. I'm rooting for him, I really really like the way he plays football.
yes  
blue42 : 5/10/2014 10:12 pm : link
the draft is bad before the guys ever play in the NFL.
Looks like he closes fast  
PEEJ : 5/10/2014 10:14 pm : link
and hits a ton
This is a bad  
Phil in LA : 5/10/2014 10:18 pm : link
man who happens to be just a tad short. And it's probably one of the things that keeps him pissed.
The same thing kept my ex pissed.  
Klaatu : 5/10/2014 10:21 pm : link
:(
Berhe's response  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/10/2014 10:23 pm : link
to critics saying he's too short. I love the chip on his shoulder; he's focused on the height slight.

Read his interview on home page  
Blue Blood : 5/10/2014 10:24 pm : link
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Q: What were your expectations here in the draft? What were you being told about where you thought you would be going?

A: You hear multiple things from different teams. I heard from the Steelers that if I was available in the third round they would get me in the third or the fourth. I heard fourth of fifth. It was all in the same area. I mostly heard fourth or fifth.


So the Steelers were saying third or fourth.. He was hearing fourth or fifth.. but the GIANTS somehow had it wrong.. ok...

oops  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/10/2014 10:26 pm : link
didn't realize it was already posted
watching his highlights -  
Del Shofner : 5/10/2014 10:35 pm : link
I know they're highlights, but he seems to do a couple of things very well besides the big hits. One is avoiding traffic - he has quick lateral movement and seems to avoid blocks well. The other is reading where the play is going.
This player is going to help us  
Marty866b : 5/10/2014 11:02 pm : link
And yes, I've seen him play. At the very least, this guy is going to be a very good,if not great, special teams player. Also, I think he will be one of the outside guys blocking on punts which we has been a problem for us.Our punt returners never seem to have any room after the catch. Behre is extremely physical. I don't know if we really needed another safety but I think he's going to contribute.
This guy seems like a possible great fit  
Blue Blood : 5/10/2014 11:05 pm : link
for Fewell's three safety package as he already plays as a hybrid LB/S....
guys, you will love him  
SHO'NUFF : 5/11/2014 7:24 am : link
I watched every game...probably nearly every game of his career at State...he's a player. The only problem with drafting him is he couldn't bring his fullback with him to the team. (Jets picked him up as a UFDA, Chad Young, you'll hear his name again).
hybrid LB/S  
Bill in UT : 5/11/2014 11:42 am : link
I believe he's big enough for safety at 186, but I think that's a bit of a stretch for LB
RE: hybrid LB/S  
MOOPS : 5/11/2014 3:23 pm : link
In comment 11671665 Bill in UT said:
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I believe he's big enough for safety at 186, but I think that's a bit of a stretch for LB



He's listed at 196 I believe, and he said he played last season at about 200. No problem with size.
yeah, my bad  
Bill in UT : 5/11/2014 3:48 pm : link
I put down Mathieu's weight by mistake. 200 is still too small for LB tho. Taylor is the S/LB hybrid on the team and he's a way bigger guy. Doesn't hit like Berhe, tho
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