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I live dorgan : 10:03 am : link : reply about 45 minutes from SU so I follow them every year even when they stink. I would guess I've seen Bromley play 10-15 times over the past two years. I thought he was the best player on the team by quite a bit. He does draw a lot of double teams and had a fair percentage of incidents where he got a wash or won the battle against the double. That's a very good thing. When you are doubled a high percentage of the time, it wears on you both physically and emotionally. A lot of DTs start to lower their effort because they know they can't win. I never saw him do that. That's another very good thing. He keeps on plugging. I can't compare his value to the available OL at the time because I was unfamiliar with quite a few of them, so I have little opinion of the pick other than I think he's a legitimate pro DT |
- Each year, teams think they found a few guys that are off the radar and can get them later in the draft for various reasons; Injury, small schools, overshadowed etc.. This year, one of those guys was Bromley. Said he there was a buzz about him in recent weeks and thought he would get drafted earlier that the so called draft experts projected. He's a "sleeper" and thought many teams wanted him. He said that he is the type of guy that no one talks about as so many teams are interested and they hope he slips. He said no one will work harder than him and Giants got a really good player. Said he was a sure 3rd round pick in his mind and also used the Chris Canty comparison as player type. Thought the Steelers or Bears would grab him in the 3rd which means that he didn't think it was a reach at all.
In 3rd when there were
Beter graded players
Available in all positions
He really put his ass on the
Line.It changed our whole
Draft. He Also took a few
Reaches later which is
Better to do then. This
Pick has to pan out for
Reese to redeem himself.
I think he's going to steadily improve with each season. Especially under our conditioning program. He definitely can put on some more muscle.I see him at 315-320 pounds.
I don't know about you guys but he reminded of Fred Robbins when we had him in 2004. I truly believe Bromley is going to be a solid pro for us.
He is not fat and could put
On 10-20lbs muscle and will.
NIX the guy I wanted
Is over weight and knee
Injury. On tape he looked
Better than Joseph and was
Pretty fast chassing qb and
Rb..Doesn't quit on plays and
Jumps up and down after plays.
Most DT I see are tired by halftime.
After some weights I see a monster
There are well over 200 players selected in these drafts. It is impossible to correctly determine when and where each one should go.
He is not fat and could put
On 10-20lbs muscle and will.
NIX the guy I wanted
Is over weight and knee
Injury. On tape he looked
Better than Joseph and was
Pretty fast chassing qb and
Rb..Doesn't quit on plays and
Jumps up and down after plays.
Most DT I see are tired by halftime.
After some weights I see a monster
Also.. I think pro scouting is definitely in bossman's future.
Also a lot bigger ..dont see
comparison.
It's about time one of these "reaches" pays off.....I don't expect much from a rookie DT this year....it's next year I do....
Yeah, I saw Tarkington run around, Homer Jones catch catch a football by the backend as it was going in front of him, Pisarcik/Csonka infamous handoff. And many isolated "great" plays in both the good and bad connotation. AND so many " Come from ahead Defeats"
But I find it difficult to "evaluate" a given circumstance. For example, Bromely. I watched his highlights. I saw him getting stood up most of the time and I thought "This is a great pick?" and I worried about it. Then today Dorgon, Bless his pot belly, made the statement , Which I will misquote no doubt but it was to the effect that if Bromely could beat the double team FIFTEEN PERCENT OF THE TIME he was doing well and if he could get a wash another FIFTEEN PERCENT and raise the two to THIRTY PERCENT HE WAS DOING GREAT or some such words.
Well here I am thinking the beating the double team should be in the vicinity of 40-50 % . Bromely would have never stood a chance of being in my good graces.
Now where else should I to colored "Dumb" because of my ignorance and misconceptions.
I have watched TWO football games live in my life. Both were at Orchard park in Buffalo. I disremember who the Bills were playing the first time. The game is totally gone from my memory but the second game the Bills played the jets and by then I was a "Veteran" I saw plays develop on the side away from the ball. I could see how the "outfield" aligned and changed with each play and within each play.
It beat television seven ways to Sunday as the saying goes.....and my daughter and my son-in-law literally raked me over the coals.....but with respect because There was always "Wide Right". Of course I would have had an elaborate funeral but to be buried in "Buffalo?" Yeecch.
I stray from my original premise which to thank both the above for their straightforward analysis. To Dorgon for occasionally pointing out the basics in evaluating a play, player or a scheme. and to "Doc" BB56 for some clear thinking. I wish I could do that without getting my BP up.
BB56 I used to detail for Alcon in the 50' and 60's Would have loved to talk Giants .. I would have learned a lot I'm sure.
Dorgon, I'm a manhattanite from the upper east side in the late 30's and early 40'....BAsketball, baseball, stickball or handball. Football?....Waazat?
Again Gentlemen ..thank you
Thus why the draft "experts" saw him as a late pick. I believe he has a higher ceiling then some would expect.
There are well over 200 players selected in these drafts. It is impossible to correctly determine when and where each one should go.
AGREED! I don't get the meaning of the term "reach" - "reach" with respect to what? Your favorite player from your favorite college team? Mel Kiper's opinion?
The draft is NOT a relative exercise. Jerry said his objective was to get 7 good football players. He did. 'Nuff said.
But, nevertheless, I thought we're supposed to just withhold judgement for a few years and trust the professions?
It's about time one of these "reaches" pays off.....I don't expect much from a rookie DT this year....it's next year I do....
You couldn't be more wrong.
Wait...I take that back. YOU actually COULD be more wrong.
I think overall the consensus here is that the process of evaluating players might be broken somewhere if your only averaging one player being on the team (usually 1st rounder) from each draft. *We have five players left from 2004 to 2010 on this roster. So they probably felt they needed to make a change. Thus all team captains this year.
I don't see him as a "fat" player like Joey says...I'm not sure where he is getting that. I'd just like to see him be more stout at the point-of-attack.
It's hard to tell...two tapes...they showed a lot of snaps, but not all. And he did flash on some plays with plays in the backfield. At the pro level, that's the norm for a really good DT, but when you are talking about a high draft pick in the college game, I think you want to see more against a team like Minnesota.
That all said, I'm encouraged by Ross' post above.
And I know it's old-fashioned stupid on my part...but if Clemson is killing you 35-14 in the first half and inside the red zone again...don't celebrate a big play like you just won the game.
Jenkins and Patterson won't be on the team for much longer, so plenty of snaps for this guy
Youtube...didnt see any of
Our Dt chase qbs and rbs
In backfield. JOSEPH was not
That good. Our alternative
Was for Reese to sign Williams
Or Rodgers.
They had two players that have seen this kid play and practiced against him.
Our first draft choice last year had inside information about this kid and should have had an input. Also the Giants drafted a QuarterBack that practiced against him.
If scouting staff did NOT use that information - SHAME ON THEM.
If they did we probably have a good player
Not sure what you mean here. Sintim and Barden were Extremely productive in college--I think Barden might have even led the nation in touchdowns. And Sintim had more than 10 sacks and more than 12 tackle for loss if I recall correctly.
Check your facts he was invited to the Combine. Ran well @ 306#(5.06). Decent strength for a long armed guy(26 reps). Explosion testing was average(33.5VJ/8'10BJ) and agility testing(7.92TC) wasn't impressive.
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Perhaps you can direct them to the cheap motel you use for your hookups with Boyhart and other media members
Once I told him the Doc I was a pitcher and not a catcher, he lost interest.
The issue with Sintim is that he was a 3-4 pass-rushing LB and the Giants wanted him to play 4-3 SAM and cover TEs.
At their ages, they're thinking more about constipation than consummation.