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A perspective on Bromley from one of BBIs most respected

Big Blue '56 : 5/11/2014 8:54 am
dorgan, was a HC for more years than many of you have probably been alive. His perspectives have always been treasured, anticipated and extremely respected..I wish he posted more..Out of my deep respect for the man, I sent an email to determine if posting his perspectives sat well with him. He's fine with it..

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I live
dorgan : 10:03 am : link : reply

about 45 minutes from SU so I follow them every year even when they stink. I would guess I've seen Bromley play 10-15 times over the past two years.
I thought he was the best player on the team by quite a bit.

He does draw a lot of double teams and had a fair percentage of incidents where he got a wash or won the battle against the double. That's a very good thing.

When you are doubled a high percentage of the time, it wears on you both physically and emotionally.
A lot of DTs start to lower their effort because they know they can't win.
I never saw him do that. That's another very good thing.
He keeps on plugging.

I can't compare his value to the available OL at the time because I was unfamiliar with quite a few of them, so I have
little opinion of the pick other than I think he's a legitimate pro DT
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Thanks for the Bromley Views  
Percy : 5/11/2014 11:12 am : link
I thought that the tapes presented as examples of "poor showings" by Bromley (to support the "bad pick" and "picked too high" criticisms) showed exactly the opposite. He is a tough, near-unstoppable SOB. I mean, how many guys can an O line double team? He looks like he will often be one who often has to be blocked that way. I think he will surprise, play and play well right away, and embarrass those who have said what piece of crap he is. Just my bet on Bromley -- which happens to be what the Giants think of him at this point, too.
Athletic Measurables and Potential v. Production  
clatterbuck : 5/11/2014 11:25 am : link
Reese has been criticized, maybe rightly so, for too much focus on measurables rather than actual on-the-field production. It worked out fine with JPP but not for the "JPP of tight ends" was well as others, e.g., Sintim, Barden. The emphasis seems to have shifted to kids who have been productive players. Will be interesting to see the results. Fwiw, I could care less if, for example, a kid like Bromley is picked in the 3rd or the 5th. Let's see of he's a player.
doomy, except and fwiw,  
Big Blue '56 : 5/11/2014 11:32 am : link
you never heard 'non stop motor' and 'never gives up on a play' in any description of Austin
an excerpt from a post by "Ross" on his thread today  
Big Blue '56 : 5/11/2014 11:35 am : link
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Anyway...a high school friend of mines father is a former employee of the Eagles. My buddy is a Giants fan (his dad grew up a Giants fan and later in life worked for Eagles) and each year I try and talk to him about the Giants draft and get some perspective from his dad..who is still connected to the Eagles in some capacity. I normally speak to him a few weeks after the draft, but this year it was last night. Here's some thoughts from his old man:

- Each year, teams think they found a few guys that are off the radar and can get them later in the draft for various reasons; Injury, small schools, overshadowed etc.. This year, one of those guys was Bromley. Said he there was a buzz about him in recent weeks and thought he would get drafted earlier that the so called draft experts projected. He's a "sleeper" and thought many teams wanted him. He said that he is the type of guy that no one talks about as so many teams are interested and they hope he slips. He said no one will work harder than him and Giants got a really good player. Said he was a sure 3rd round pick in his mind and also used the Chris Canty comparison as player type. Thought the Steelers or Bears would grab him in the 3rd which means that he didn't think it was a reach at all.
First  
SBlue46 : 5/11/2014 11:42 am : link
If Reese takes Brom
In 3rd when there were
Beter graded players
Available in all positions
He really put his ass on the
Line.It changed our whole
Draft. He Also took a few
Reaches later which is
Better to do then. This
Pick has to pan out for
Reese to redeem himself.
Didn't see this thread. I'm going to parrot what I wrote in another..  
Canton : 5/11/2014 11:44 am : link
The lights came on his senior year. He plays with an absolute mean streak. A high character guy that just wants it. He showed a little bit more explosiveness this year. He has a motor, and he chased guys down from behind for such a bigger guy.

I think he's going to steadily improve with each season. Especially under our conditioning program. He definitely can put on some more muscle.I see him at 315-320 pounds.

I don't know about you guys but he reminded of Fred Robbins when we had him in 2004. I truly believe Bromley is going to be a solid pro for us.
Eric  
bc4life : 5/11/2014 11:45 am : link
He didn't look good in those cutups - how many times was he playing on their side of the ball? You might want to go back and re-watch those clips. He needs to be coached up some things, but, taking him where they did doesn't really upset me.

Canton  
bc4life : 5/11/2014 11:47 am : link
The light coming on his senior year is important - he was behind in his development.
Second  
SBlue46 : 5/11/2014 11:50 am : link
After watching tapes on Brom
He is not fat and could put
On 10-20lbs muscle and will.
NIX the guy I wanted
Is over weight and knee
Injury. On tape he looked
Better than Joseph and was
Pretty fast chassing qb and
Rb..Doesn't quit on plays and
Jumps up and down after plays.
Most DT I see are tired by halftime.
After some weights I see a monster
All the projections are just that until they happen.  
arcarsenal : 5/11/2014 11:51 am : link
There's no such thing as an NFL draft where each player is selected right where he was slotted. You'd hope people would understand that by now, but of course you're always going to get people who assume "Jerry Reach" is taking a guy 2 rounds too early because Mel Kiper or Mike Mayock didn't envision the player being selected there.

There are well over 200 players selected in these drafts. It is impossible to correctly determine when and where each one should go.
RE: Second  
arcarsenal : 5/11/2014 11:52 am : link
In comment 11671678 SBlue46 said:
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After watching tapes on Brom
He is not fat and could put
On 10-20lbs muscle and will.
NIX the guy I wanted
Is over weight and knee
Injury. On tape he looked
Better than Joseph and was
Pretty fast chassing qb and
Rb..Doesn't quit on plays and
Jumps up and down after plays.

Most DT I see are tired by halftime.
After some weights I see a monster


Also.. I think pro scouting is definitely in bossman's future.
Canty was  
SBlue46 : 5/11/2014 11:56 am : link
An underachiever. Never reached his hype..
Also a lot bigger ..dont see
comparison.
RE: The pick of Bromley  
TMS : 5/11/2014 12:01 pm : link
In comment 11671630 Doomster said:
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is very similar to Austin......they are both reaches.....not saying Bromley is another Austin.....but he is a reach in this draft at that position.....

It's about time one of these "reaches" pays off.....I don't expect much from a rookie DT this year....it's next year I do....
Agree a player who has his numbers and exposure who is not invited to the combine or rated anywhere near where he is drafted is a REACH by the team that drafts him. Reese has a lot to prove because his reaches have busted before. Thats why we are in the hole we are. Hope he works out but after every draft we fans hope for the best and do not like naysayers. Do it on the field and you will get the credit you deserve one way or the other.
This is directed primarily to Dorgon and BB56  
vince : 5/11/2014 12:09 pm : link
I'm a real, real old Person who is also a fat happy Giant fan. I've watched the Giants for many years and I'm amazed that some of the fans can give the year. date, time and participants of plays seemingly off the tops of their respective heads.
Yeah, I saw Tarkington run around, Homer Jones catch catch a football by the backend as it was going in front of him, Pisarcik/Csonka infamous handoff. And many isolated "great" plays in both the good and bad connotation. AND so many " Come from ahead Defeats"

But I find it difficult to "evaluate" a given circumstance. For example, Bromely. I watched his highlights. I saw him getting stood up most of the time and I thought "This is a great pick?" and I worried about it. Then today Dorgon, Bless his pot belly, made the statement , Which I will misquote no doubt but it was to the effect that if Bromely could beat the double team FIFTEEN PERCENT OF THE TIME he was doing well and if he could get a wash another FIFTEEN PERCENT and raise the two to THIRTY PERCENT HE WAS DOING GREAT or some such words.

Well here I am thinking the beating the double team should be in the vicinity of 40-50 % . Bromely would have never stood a chance of being in my good graces.

Now where else should I to colored "Dumb" because of my ignorance and misconceptions.

I have watched TWO football games live in my life. Both were at Orchard park in Buffalo. I disremember who the Bills were playing the first time. The game is totally gone from my memory but the second game the Bills played the jets and by then I was a "Veteran" I saw plays develop on the side away from the ball. I could see how the "outfield" aligned and changed with each play and within each play.

It beat television seven ways to Sunday as the saying goes.....and my daughter and my son-in-law literally raked me over the coals.....but with respect because There was always "Wide Right". Of course I would have had an elaborate funeral but to be buried in "Buffalo?" Yeecch.

I stray from my original premise which to thank both the above for their straightforward analysis. To Dorgon for occasionally pointing out the basics in evaluating a play, player or a scheme. and to "Doc" BB56 for some clear thinking. I wish I could do that without getting my BP up.

BB56 I used to detail for Alcon in the 50' and 60's Would have loved to talk Giants .. I would have learned a lot I'm sure.

Dorgon, I'm a manhattanite from the upper east side in the late 30's and early 40'....BAsketball, baseball, stickball or handball. Football?....Waazat?

Again Gentlemen ..thank you

RE: Canton  
Canton : 5/11/2014 12:18 pm : link
In comment 11671673 bc4life said:
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The light coming on his senior year is important - he was behind in his development.


Thus why the draft "experts" saw him as a late pick. I believe he has a higher ceiling then some would expect.
RE: All the projections are just that until they happen.  
KeoweeFan : 5/11/2014 12:27 pm : link
In comment 11671679 arcarsenal said:
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There's no such thing as an NFL draft where each player is selected right where he was slotted. You'd hope people would understand that by now, but of course you're always going to get people who assume "Jerry Reach" is taking a guy 2 rounds too early because Mel Kiper or Mike Mayock didn't envision the player being selected there.

There are well over 200 players selected in these drafts. It is impossible to correctly determine when and where each one should go.

AGREED! I don't get the meaning of the term "reach" - "reach" with respect to what? Your favorite player from your favorite college team? Mel Kiper's opinion?
The draft is NOT a relative exercise. Jerry said his objective was to get 7 good football players. He did. 'Nuff said.
Joey is one of BBIs most knowledgeable posters and he's n  
chris r : 5/11/2014 12:33 pm : link
not fine with it. Sy also I believe was not a fan of the pick.

But, nevertheless, I thought we're supposed to just withhold judgement for a few years and trust the professions?

RE: The pick of Bromley  
Klaatu : 5/11/2014 12:35 pm : link
In comment 11671630 Doomster said:
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is very similar to Austin......they are both reaches.....not saying Bromley is another Austin.....but he is a reach in this draft at that position.....

It's about time one of these "reaches" pays off.....I don't expect much from a rookie DT this year....it's next year I do....


You couldn't be more wrong.

Wait...I take that back. YOU actually COULD be more wrong.
I think the Giants put their own value on players  
#10* : 5/11/2014 12:39 pm : link
Not what other people value but what they value. Therefore when other teams or draft guides have a sixth round grade on a player the Giants might have him ranked in the 4th row as Jerry puts it because of team preference. The players interview, clean sheet, charisma etc might place added value in the eye of the beholder. Draft mags can't put that into their evaluation. They base their evaluation on consensus talent.

I think overall the consensus here is that the process of evaluating players might be broken somewhere if your only averaging one player being on the team (usually 1st rounder) from each draft. *We have five players left from 2004 to 2010 on this roster. So they probably felt they needed to make a change. Thus all team captains this year.
You can't  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2014 12:41 pm : link
judge a guy off of two games and Bromley did "flash" in those tapes. But I saw a guy single-blocked a lot and pushed around quite a bit. I also didn't see the constant non-stop motor that some have written about. (In fact, I saw some plays where he just stopped). It's tough to tell with a DT. If you have a big guy who isn't part of a rotation, he has to pick his spots. You just get tired and wear out.

I don't see him as a "fat" player like Joey says...I'm not sure where he is getting that. I'd just like to see him be more stout at the point-of-attack.

It's hard to tell...two tapes...they showed a lot of snaps, but not all. And he did flash on some plays with plays in the backfield. At the pro level, that's the norm for a really good DT, but when you are talking about a high draft pick in the college game, I think you want to see more against a team like Minnesota.

That all said, I'm encouraged by Ross' post above.

And I know it's old-fashioned stupid on my part...but if Clemson is killing you 35-14 in the first half and inside the red zone again...don't celebrate a big play like you just won the game.
He will get three years  
spike : 5/11/2014 12:49 pm : link
and plenty of opportunities to prove his abilities playing next to Hankins.

Jenkins and Patterson won't be on the team for much longer, so plenty of snaps for this guy
I trust Dorgan's posts  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/11/2014 12:51 pm : link
I think we might have a prospect here.
eric  
SBlue46 : 5/11/2014 12:57 pm : link
Watch 2 highlight vids on
Youtube...didnt see any of
Our Dt chase qbs and rbs
In backfield. JOSEPH was not
That good. Our alternative
Was for Reese to sign Williams
Or Rodgers.
Brom was  
SBlue46 : 5/11/2014 12:59 pm : link
Closest player like Donald
THE GIANTS HAD TWO  
OldPolack : 5/11/2014 1:12 pm : link
great sources of INSIDE information.
They had two players that have seen this kid play and practiced against him.
Our first draft choice last year had inside information about this kid and should have had an input. Also the Giants drafted a QuarterBack that practiced against him.
If scouting staff did NOT use that information - SHAME ON THEM.
If they did we probably have a good player
BB56  
steve in ky : 5/11/2014 1:13 pm : link
Thanks for the post, I had missed that comment by Dorgan and it is good to read. A lot better than he is "very undersized & lacks power" or "slow, out of shape, with poor balance & no instincts" that we heard from a couple of other posters.
Quick question if Dorgan is one of our  
Semipro Lineman : 5/11/2014 1:33 pm : link
most respected members than what does that say for the rest of us?

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You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy
Thumbs up for 56 and dorgan.  
Red Dog : 5/11/2014 1:35 pm : link
.
Every player in this draft has a few bad cut ups.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/11/2014 1:47 pm : link
Including Clowney and Bridgewater.
SBlue46  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2014 2:48 pm : link
But they played stout at the point of attack.
RE: Athletic Measurables and Potential v. Production  
Jesse B : 5/11/2014 2:55 pm : link
In comment 11671645 clatterbuck said:
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Reese has been criticized, maybe rightly so, for too much focus on measurables rather than actual on-the-field production. It worked out fine with JPP but not for the "JPP of tight ends" was well as others, e.g., Sintim, Barden. The emphasis seems to have shifted to kids who have been productive players. Will be interesting to see the results. Fwiw, I could care less if, for example, a kid like Bromley is picked in the 3rd or the 5th. Let's see of he's a player.



Not sure what you mean here. Sintim and Barden were Extremely productive in college--I think Barden might have even led the nation in touchdowns. And Sintim had more than 10 sacks and more than 12 tackle for loss if I recall correctly.
Maybe Sintim and Barden aren't the best examples.  
clatterbuck : 5/11/2014 4:27 pm : link
Adrien Robinson, Austin, Cooper Taylor, Brewer, Scott, etc. Sintim was a project. Maybe there just isn't time anymore to turn a college DE into a 4-3 LB, despite size, 40 time. Seems Giants this time tried to find guys who stayed on the field and were productive players.
Another thing to consider  
Franz69 : 5/11/2014 5:42 pm : link
Bromley was not exactly playing on a Murderer's Row D-Line at Syracuse. This year and last year, not only was he the best player by a mile, but very little experienced talent or depth at DT and DE. Much easier to devote attention to him by opposing offenses and he rarely got a breather. Our depth at DT was pretty much non-existent, due to graduation, suspension and injury.
A bit more perspective  
Franz69 : 5/11/2014 5:54 pm : link
Bromley had more sacks this past season than our other three D-Line starters combined.
Good thread  
Danny Kanell : 5/11/2014 6:00 pm : link
With some good posts, thanks.
TMS : 12:01 pm :  
Torrag : 5/11/2014 6:10 pm : link
Agree a player who has his numbers and exposure who is not invited to the combine is a Reach....

Check your facts he was invited to the Combine. Ran well @ 306#(5.06). Decent strength for a long armed guy(26 reps). Explosion testing was average(33.5VJ/8'10BJ) and agility testing(7.92TC) wasn't impressive.
I am warming to this guy  
Some Fan : 5/11/2014 6:28 pm : link
The more I see him on Utube and read about him.
TMS, you know who looked awesome at the Combine?  
Klaatu : 5/11/2014 6:34 pm : link
Marvin Austin.
RE: Quick question if Dorgan is one of our  
Big Blue '56 : 5/12/2014 8:12 am : link
In comment 11671819 Semipro Lineman said:
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most respected members than what does that say for the rest of us?



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You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy




:)
Btw,  
Big Blue '56 : 5/12/2014 12:12 pm : link
Bromley has become my new favorite Giant..:)
good lord dorgan  
mort christenson : 5/12/2014 12:22 pm : link
you and BB '56 need to just get a room and get it over with.
BB56  
steve in ky : 5/12/2014 12:22 pm : link
Did you happen to watch the video of his highlights I linked when he was drafted? I though he looked good, I can see him ending up really helping this team at some point.
RE: good lord dorgan  
Semipro Lineman : 5/12/2014 12:26 pm : link
In comment 11673620 mort christenson said:
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you and BB '56 need to just get a room and get it over with.


Perhaps you can direct them to the cheap motel you use for your hookups with Boyhart and other media members
RE: good lord dorgan  
dorgan : 5/12/2014 12:31 pm : link
In comment 11673620 mort christenson said:
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you and BB '56 need to just get a room and get it over with.



Once I told him the Doc I was a pitcher and not a catcher, he lost interest.
Semipro  
mort christenson : 5/12/2014 12:35 pm : link
Funny guy. But mistaken identity? I never have emailed or spoken or tweeted with Boylhart. Ever.
dorgan  
mort christenson : 5/12/2014 12:36 pm : link
at your ages, I'd have thought you'd both be happy just to be put in the game.
still the same bullshit about Sintim  
Greg from LI : 5/12/2014 12:38 pm : link
Sintim was an awesome player at UVA. Led the nation in sacks by a linebacker with 11. Two-time all-ACC, was once the ACC freshman of the year.

The issue with Sintim is that he was a 3-4 pass-rushing LB and the Giants wanted him to play 4-3 SAM and cover TEs.
Here is what I put in the BBI mock draft  
Amtoft : 5/12/2014 3:32 pm : link
DT Jay Bromley Syracuse... Ran a 5.03 and benched 26 times at 306lbs. Quick off the snap for a guy over 300lbs. Was hitting gaps very nicely and splitting double teams. Didn't just pad stats against weak teams getting 2 sacks against Clemson, 1 against Florida State, and 1 in his bowl game. Had 10 sacks on the year. Not as strong against the run, but in the 7th a great value get here.
RE: good lord dorgan  
BMac : 5/12/2014 4:45 pm : link
In comment 11673620 mort christenson said:
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you and BB '56 need to just get a room and get it over with.


At their ages, they're thinking more about constipation than consummation.
They already have rooms  
GMANinDC : 5/12/2014 5:27 pm : link
in the retirement home..
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