With free agency and the draft in the books I have to admit I am a little surprised that the Giants haven't addressed the position at tight end. Like I'm sure many of you I was pretty excited about the potential Robinson had when he was drafted yet we have not really seen any flashes of that at the pro level. The coaching staff must have some faith in his ability to contribute since they have not brought anyone noteworthy in. What sort of season do you think we could expect out if Robinson with this new offense?
from USC. So they did address it to an extent.
But it's not like they expect an all pro there. 40 catches, good blocking. Reese said that in his interview. Don't see the big deal.
there could be more moves in the future including but not limited to other teams cut downs.
as well as the USC kid, there may be reason to hope but no reason to expect anythging
Nothing less than a major part-time contribution will be required of Robinson. It's time for him to ____ or get off the pot with regard to his career.
we simply do not put much stock in the position. We want blockers first and pass catchers second at TE. We'll find a way to make it work when they it's on the roster or signing a vet.
where they just didn't like any of the kids at TE for the spots where they were on the clock.
Cant really form an opinion yet. Maybe they didnt draft someone because there is a signing or trade in the works.
Before they were hurt last year, neither of these guys was particularly impressive in their blocking but maybe that had something to do with the awful o line.
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| Nothing less than a major part-time contribution will be required of Robinson. It's time for him to ____ or get off the pot with regard to his career.
This. At a minimum, he has to make some type of substantive contribution as a TE. He doesn't have to be an All Pro, but he needs to be a solid contributor as a blocker and a receiver. Another year like last year, and he should be gone. As crazy as this sounds, I'm more optimistic about Kuhn than I am about Robinson.
Not that you could tell that from reading here. But when we draft a stud WR, a huge priority for the Giants' scheme and a big need they complain because they didn't draft a TE or an OG.
a Randle or a Jernigan type steps up, we could have a very potent 3WR group of packages. Deadly. If Eli isn't on the ground or running for his life back there.
I would really love for him to be a 65 rec 750 yards 8td kind of tight end. I think he has the talent to be that. Hopefully the increased reps and a healthy season will produce those results
Not to be the worst starting TE in our division. Right now he is by far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
500-60 yards and 3-5 TD would be a good start..
a very gifted athlete. But not all gifted athletes turn out to be good football players. He still has some time here to develop into something, but the clock on his career is ticking...................
The Giants could end up with Finley or make a trade for an average starter. They're not afraid to part with a late round pick to get a guy they think will play a role (Beason--Rosenfels/Reynaud, Riveres..etc)
The Giants could end up with Finley or make a trade for an average starter. They're not afraid to part with a late round pick to get a guy they think will play a role (Beason--Rosenfels/Reynaud, Rivers..etc)
just needs to stay healthy. That's his biggest problem right now. 2013 was as wasted a year as could be for him (and for the team for that matter).
Physically, he and Donnell have as much or more talent than most of the TEs in this past draft.
He is a 270 pounder who can vertically down the field and block at the point-of-attack. Can he stay healthy? Does he have the instincts and savvy and desire to do it? We'll find out.
will be on the stationary bike for week 1 and will be upgraded to 'doubtful' by week 6.
Reese is probably more confident about them than the coaching staff - but its the coaches' necks on the line.
Anybody suggesting more than that from Robinson is purely hoping.
has shown some life with his chances
In two seasons he couldn't learn Gilbride's offence. He probably can't learn McAdoo's offense in just one training camp.
It's too bad. He has a talent for receiving.
That's just what folks said about Simms and Barber. How did that work out?
There were never any reports that he couldn't learn the offense. He got hurt.
like to see it work out for Robinson. He's huge.
Then he has to show that he's more than a workout warrior. He ran faster and jumped higher and longer than the "freakishly athletic" Eric Ebron, even though Robinson was 14 pounds heavier. Ebron did bench more - 24 reps vs. 15 for Robinson.
Honestly, I have no idea what to expect from him. The little I saw of him during last year's preseason, I thought he looked completely lost trying to block.
(and remember, we essentially lost him for the year in the preseason):
Offseason Breakdown: New York Giants Tight Ends
Adrien Robinson: 2012 was mainly a redshirt year for Adrien Robinson, who the Giants drafted in the 4th round of the 2012 NFL Draft. Robinson made the 53-man roster, but was only activated for two games. He did not catch a single pass. Robinson combines good size with excellent athleticism. He has very good speed and agility for a big tight end. However, he is a very raw player who will need a lot of coaching up. He was not targeted much in college (only 29 receptions in four years), but he displayed an ability to get down the field, adjust to the football, and make the difficult catch. Robinson has the physical ability to be a good blocker.
Because Robinson’s college has trimesters, he missed Organized Team Activity (OTA) practices his rookie season. “I think going through OTAs this year, seeing how slowly the coaches install the plays and understanding how everything feeds off each other, I realize that I did miss a lot last year by coming in so late and trying to jumpstart everything,” Robinson said. “I’ve been here since the (offseason) program started, and it’s a new year. I’m just trying to work my way up.”
“I think the biggest improvement I’ve made is in my understanding of the offense and knowing the plays, my assignments, where to line up, and how to read the defenses,” said Robinson. “Last year, I didn’t get many game reps, so I had to watch a lot, which helped, but it’s not the same as lining up on the field.”
“The biggest thing I want to show the coaches is that I fully understand the offense,” said Robinson. “I understand everything that’s going on, and I want to earn their trust. Once they are confident that you know what you’re doing, you’ll get on the field.”
“Adrien Robinson appears to have gone into the Land of the Believers and yes he has been making some good progress,” said Pope. “He is understanding assignment-wise. But the plays are still not the lines on the page that we give them for instruction. So he is doing a lot of the assignment things correctly. Now we have to get him to adjust to the way the defense is playing on each particular play and to make the best decisions based on how the defense is playing. But he is running well and he has his weight down some. The quarterback is starting to find him. He is hard to miss – he is the tallest tree in the forest out there. So he is a good target. But we are more than mildly pleased with the progress that he has made from an assignment standpoint.”
“Adrien was in that group of guys who came in, didn’t really know much about working with an offensive tackle on a double team block or how do you read coverages, what happens if they blitz here, what do I do?” said Pope in June. “It has taken him some time to learn and feel a little more comfortable. His speed and athletic skills did not surface as quickly as we hoped because he was thinking his way through every single play which slowed him down. Now he’s developing some confidence and he knows a little bit more about what he is doing. These last three or four weeks have been the very best weeks of his Giant career.”
“Wish we could have gotten him in some games more last year, but it just didn’t work out for us to get him in some games,” said Reese. “But we really think – the guy is 280 pounds, he ran a 4.57 (40-yard dash) at his Pro Day, and we think he can really develop into a terrific blocker. In practice, he flashed some things that were really like some ‘Wow’ things in practice. So we’re expecting him to make a jump this season and get in and get going and give us some contributions as our big blocking tight end. And he can catch the ball really nice. So we expect to bring him along, and hopefully he’ll contribute for us.”
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could also be said about Mosley. If they both can stay healthy that 2012 draft may look a whole lot better.
none of us have any idea how much value the TE position holds in this offense... how much would it have cost to retain Myers?
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| I would really love for him to be a 65 rec 750 yards 8td kind of tight end. I think he has the talent to be that. Hopefully the increased reps and a healthy season will produce those results
I guess once Robinson hauls in his 1st career NFL reception, the other 64 should be like a walk in the park...
1. I think Reese has more confidence in our two young TEs than the fans.
2. I think we are waiting to see what happens with JerMichael Finley's rehab.
from Coughlin, Reese, and Ross, it looks like they strongly considered drafting a TE but the draft didn't fall that way.
I forgot we signed him. I forgot about another guy the other day too, I think I'm going to need roster flash cards with all of these new guys we have on this team.
said the other day that he thought Daniel Fells was currently penciled in as the starting TE.
I expect him to last longer than the opening kick-off this year before being injured.
maybe a stretch goal would be for him to play significant snaps and contribute to the team.
that can and very well may change.
Robinson has to make some sort of a contribution this summer and into the season. Pretty much anything as a blocker or a receiver or a special teamer. Something - anything positive.
Otherwise it will be time to face reality and cut yet another Reese / Ross recruit who could not pass muster.
20 catches 1 TD.
HOPEFULLY Under McAdoo -- 50 catches 900 yards and 10 TDS
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Eric from BBI said:
| Reese is probably more confident about them than the coaching staff - but its the coaches' necks on the line.
Eric, at what point towards the end of a regime do the rats flee the burning house. Does there come a point where politics come into play, that is to say, does there come a piont where a scouting/personnell department can't afford any more misses or they are gone, and when they get to that point they lean on the coaching staff to make said player fit, even if it's a square peg in a round hole? Do you get my drift? Are we at that point with this management?
when was the last time the Giants fired a GM?
March or Die.
That seems to be the choice for Robinson, some coaches, and maybe some in management.
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Eric from BBI said:
| when was the last time the Giants fired a GM?
Ok, Ross then? Or will they serve up talent and coaches into perpetuity on the altar on FO fuckups?
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Please show me proof. I saw him obviously in limited action and he cannot sustain a block. Initial punch and that's where it ends. I like donnell at this point more than I do Robinson.
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| Please show me proof. I saw him obviously in limited action and he cannot sustain a block. Initial punch and that's where it ends. I like donnell at this point more than I do Robinson.
Robinsons blocking has been mixed if I remember correctly. He's made some good blocks at times but also missed his share as well. Granted the offensive line, especially last year, was so bad that I can only assume it must have been confusing at times to know who to block when you have 3 and 4 defenders coming at you but he hasn't really done much to instill any confidence. Would love to see him improve though, of course.
that they ate going to have to bring more TE in from
A numbers standpoint. Who else is out there? Keller who had that nasty knee injury last summer, Fred Davis,who I like a lot but is a mess of the field. Who else?
They'll be able to find someone. They aren't bringing in guys they expect to make the team, although surprises can always happen.