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Realistic expectations for Adrian Robinson

AnyoneButPhilly : 5/11/2014 2:15 pm
With free agency and the draft in the books I have to admit I am a little surprised that the Giants haven't addressed the position at tight end. Like I'm sure many of you I was pretty excited about the potential Robinson had when he was drafted yet we have not really seen any flashes of that at the pro level. The coaching staff must have some faith in his ability to contribute since they have not brought anyone noteworthy in. What sort of season do you think we could expect out if Robinson with this new offense?
pull hammy  
SBlue46 : 5/11/2014 2:16 pm : link
In camp...end of carrier
They did bring in the kid  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/11/2014 2:17 pm : link
from USC. So they did address it to an extent.
Could be Donnell just as easily  
BillT : 5/11/2014 2:20 pm : link
But it's not like they expect an all pro there. 40 catches, good blocking. Reese said that in his interview. Don't see the big deal.
They aren't done looking at the position either  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/11/2014 2:22 pm : link
there could be more moves in the future including but not limited to other teams cut downs.
I think with Robinson and Donnell  
Bill in UT : 5/11/2014 2:23 pm : link
as well as the USC kid, there may be reason to hope but no reason to expect anythging
I expect him to compete for s starting role  
aquidneck : 5/11/2014 2:24 pm : link
Nothing less than a major part-time contribution will be required of Robinson. It's time for him to ____ or get off the pot with regard to his career.
It confirms what u thought the while time  
UConn4523 : 5/11/2014 2:25 pm : link
we simply do not put much stock in the position. We want blockers first and pass catchers second at TE. We'll find a way to make it work when they it's on the roster or signing a vet.
I think it's one of those things  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/11/2014 2:26 pm : link
where they just didn't like any of the kids at TE for the spots where they were on the clock.
Have to remember there may be a plan in place.  
Curtis in VA : 5/11/2014 2:29 pm : link
Cant really form an opinion yet. Maybe they didnt draft someone because there is a signing or trade in the works.

Before they were hurt last year, neither of these guys was particularly impressive in their blocking but maybe that had something to do with the awful o line.
RE: I expect him to compete for s starting role  
AcidTest : 5/11/2014 2:31 pm : link
In comment 11671904 aquidneck said:
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Nothing less than a major part-time contribution will be required of Robinson. It's time for him to ____ or get off the pot with regard to his career.


This. At a minimum, he has to make some type of substantive contribution as a TE. He doesn't have to be an All Pro, but he needs to be a solid contributor as a blocker and a receiver. Another year like last year, and he should be gone. As crazy as this sounds, I'm more optimistic about Kuhn than I am about Robinson.
It's not a priority position  
BillT : 5/11/2014 2:32 pm : link
Not that you could tell that from reading here. But when we draft a stud WR, a huge priority for the Giants' scheme and a big need they complain because they didn't draft a TE or an OG.
if one of our options at WR  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/11/2014 2:34 pm : link
a Randle or a Jernigan type steps up, we could have a very potent 3WR group of packages. Deadly. If Eli isn't on the ground or running for his life back there.
I really bought into the whole "JPP of tight ends" mantra  
AnyoneButPhilly : 5/11/2014 2:36 pm : link
I would really love for him to be a 65 rec 750 yards 8td kind of tight end. I think he has the talent to be that. Hopefully the increased reps and a healthy season will produce those results
Realistic!!!!!  
Carl in CT : 5/11/2014 2:38 pm : link
Not to be the worst starting TE in our division. Right now he is by far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
35 catches  
Blue Blood : 5/11/2014 2:39 pm : link
500-60 yards and 3-5 TD would be a good start..
Robinson is apperently  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/11/2014 2:40 pm : link
a very gifted athlete. But not all gifted athletes turn out to be good football players. He still has some time here to develop into something, but the clock on his career is ticking...................
could be Jermichal Finley/Trade  
Jesse B : 5/11/2014 2:41 pm : link
The Giants could end up with Finley or make a trade for an average starter. They're not afraid to part with a late round pick to get a guy they think will play a role (Beason--Rosenfels/Reynaud, Riveres..etc)
could be Jermichal Finley/Trade  
Jesse B : 5/11/2014 2:42 pm : link
The Giants could end up with Finley or make a trade for an average starter. They're not afraid to part with a late round pick to get a guy they think will play a role (Beason--Rosenfels/Reynaud, Rivers..etc)
He  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2014 2:44 pm : link
just needs to stay healthy. That's his biggest problem right now. 2013 was as wasted a year as could be for him (and for the team for that matter).

Physically, he and Donnell have as much or more talent than most of the TEs in this past draft.

He is a 270 pounder who can vertically down the field and block at the point-of-attack. Can he stay healthy? Does he have the instincts and savvy and desire to do it? We'll find out.
I expect AR  
deadkurtrulz : 5/11/2014 2:45 pm : link
will be on the stationary bike for week 1 and will be upgraded to 'doubtful' by week 6.
Donnell is an interesting guy  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/11/2014 2:45 pm : link
he could be something
I think  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2014 2:45 pm : link
Reese is probably more confident about them than the coaching staff - but its the coaches' necks on the line.
Realistically, I expect him to make the 2014 roster.  
Jimmy Googs : 5/11/2014 2:45 pm : link
Anybody suggesting more than that from Robinson is purely hoping.
Donnell  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/11/2014 2:46 pm : link
has shown some life with his chances
Replacement level would be a wonderful start  
Kyle : 5/11/2014 2:58 pm : link
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I don't expect Robinson to see the field. I expect him gone. Why?  
Marty in Albany : 5/11/2014 3:03 pm : link
In two seasons he couldn't learn Gilbride's offence. He probably can't learn McAdoo's offense in just one training camp.

It's too bad. He has a talent for receiving.
And as far as him not being able to stay healthy  
BillT : 5/11/2014 3:07 pm : link
That's just what folks said about Simms and Barber. How did that work out?
Marty in Albany  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2014 3:10 pm : link
There were never any reports that he couldn't learn the offense. He got hurt.
I'd really  
mrvax : 5/11/2014 3:11 pm : link
like to see it work out for Robinson. He's huge.
He has to stay healthy, first and foremost.  
Klaatu : 5/11/2014 3:11 pm : link
Then he has to show that he's more than a workout warrior. He ran faster and jumped higher and longer than the "freakishly athletic" Eric Ebron, even though Robinson was 14 pounds heavier. Ebron did bench more - 24 reps vs. 15 for Robinson.

Honestly, I have no idea what to expect from him. The little I saw of him during last year's preseason, I thought he looked completely lost trying to block.
Eric. Tell it to the Marines! I'm not buying it.  
Marty in Albany : 5/11/2014 3:14 pm : link
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Before 2013 Training Camp  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2014 3:16 pm : link
(and remember, we essentially lost him for the year in the preseason):

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Adrien Robinson: 2012 was mainly a redshirt year for Adrien Robinson, who the Giants drafted in the 4th round of the 2012 NFL Draft. Robinson made the 53-man roster, but was only activated for two games. He did not catch a single pass. Robinson combines good size with excellent athleticism. He has very good speed and agility for a big tight end. However, he is a very raw player who will need a lot of coaching up. He was not targeted much in college (only 29 receptions in four years), but he displayed an ability to get down the field, adjust to the football, and make the difficult catch. Robinson has the physical ability to be a good blocker.

Because Robinson’s college has trimesters, he missed Organized Team Activity (OTA) practices his rookie season. “I think going through OTAs this year, seeing how slowly the coaches install the plays and understanding how everything feeds off each other, I realize that I did miss a lot last year by coming in so late and trying to jumpstart everything,” Robinson said. “I’ve been here since the (offseason) program started, and it’s a new year. I’m just trying to work my way up.”

“I think the biggest improvement I’ve made is in my understanding of the offense and knowing the plays, my assignments, where to line up, and how to read the defenses,” said Robinson. “Last year, I didn’t get many game reps, so I had to watch a lot, which helped, but it’s not the same as lining up on the field.”

“The biggest thing I want to show the coaches is that I fully understand the offense,” said Robinson. “I understand everything that’s going on, and I want to earn their trust. Once they are confident that you know what you’re doing, you’ll get on the field.”

“Adrien Robinson appears to have gone into the Land of the Believers and yes he has been making some good progress,” said Pope. “He is understanding assignment-wise. But the plays are still not the lines on the page that we give them for instruction. So he is doing a lot of the assignment things correctly. Now we have to get him to adjust to the way the defense is playing on each particular play and to make the best decisions based on how the defense is playing. But he is running well and he has his weight down some. The quarterback is starting to find him. He is hard to miss – he is the tallest tree in the forest out there. So he is a good target. But we are more than mildly pleased with the progress that he has made from an assignment standpoint.”

“Adrien was in that group of guys who came in, didn’t really know much about working with an offensive tackle on a double team block or how do you read coverages, what happens if they blitz here, what do I do?” said Pope in June. “It has taken him some time to learn and feel a little more comfortable. His speed and athletic skills did not surface as quickly as we hoped because he was thinking his way through every single play which slowed him down. Now he’s developing some confidence and he knows a little bit more about what he is doing. These last three or four weeks have been the very best weeks of his Giant career.”

“Wish we could have gotten him in some games more last year, but it just didn’t work out for us to get him in some games,” said Reese. “But we really think – the guy is 280 pounds, he ran a 4.57 (40-yard dash) at his Pro Day, and we think he can really develop into a terrific blocker. In practice, he flashed some things that were really like some ‘Wow’ things in practice. So we’re expecting him to make a jump this season and get in and get going and give us some contributions as our big blocking tight end. And he can catch the ball really nice. So we expect to bring him along, and hopefully he’ll contribute for us.”

Offseason Breakdown: New York Giants Tight Ends - ( New Window )
The health issue  
mushroom : 5/11/2014 3:25 pm : link
could also be said about Mosley. If they both can stay healthy that 2012 draft may look a whole lot better.
we have a new OC  
SHO'NUFF : 5/11/2014 3:35 pm : link
none of us have any idea how much value the TE position holds in this offense... how much would it have cost to retain Myers?
RE: I really bought into the whole  
Jimmy Googs : 5/11/2014 3:36 pm : link
In comment 11671923 AnyoneButPhilly said:
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I would really love for him to be a 65 rec 750 yards 8td kind of tight end. I think he has the talent to be that. Hopefully the increased reps and a healthy season will produce those results


I guess once Robinson hauls in his 1st career NFL reception, the other 64 should be like a walk in the park...
2 Things  
Capt. Don : 5/11/2014 3:44 pm : link
1. I think Reese has more confidence in our two young TEs than the fans.
2. I think we are waiting to see what happens with JerMichael Finley's rehab.
Based on the comments  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2014 3:51 pm : link
from Coughlin, Reese, and Ross, it looks like they strongly considered drafting a TE but the draft didn't fall that way.
We also have Kellan Davis  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/11/2014 3:56 pm : link
I forgot we signed him. I forgot about another guy the other day too, I think I'm going to need roster flash cards with all of these new guys we have on this team.
John Schmelk  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2014 3:58 pm : link
said the other day that he thought Daniel Fells was currently penciled in as the starting TE.
Realistically  
pjcas18 : 5/11/2014 3:58 pm : link
I expect him to last longer than the opening kick-off this year before being injured.

maybe a stretch goal would be for him to play significant snaps and contribute to the team.
obviously  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2014 3:58 pm : link
that can and very well may change.
I'm with AcidTest.  
Red Dog : 5/11/2014 4:30 pm : link
Robinson has to make some sort of a contribution this summer and into the season. Pretty much anything as a blocker or a receiver or a special teamer. Something - anything positive.

Otherwise it will be time to face reality and cut yet another Reese / Ross recruit who could not pass muster.
Realistically  
mattlawson : 5/11/2014 4:31 pm : link
20 catches 1 TD.

HOPEFULLY Under McAdoo -- 50 catches 900 yards and 10 TDS
RE: I think  
Great White Ghost : 5/11/2014 4:47 pm : link
In comment 11671947 Eric from BBI said:
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Reese is probably more confident about them than the coaching staff - but its the coaches' necks on the line.
Eric, at what point towards the end of a regime do the rats flee the burning house. Does there come a point where politics come into play, that is to say, does there come a piont where a scouting/personnell department can't afford any more misses or they are gone, and when they get to that point they lean on the coaching staff to make said player fit, even if it's a square peg in a round hole? Do you get my drift? Are we at that point with this management?
Great White Ghost :  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/11/2014 4:48 pm : link
when was the last time the Giants fired a GM?
I ask because it seems a bit like that old movie  
Great White Ghost : 5/11/2014 4:49 pm : link
March or Die.

That seems to be the choice for Robinson, some coaches, and maybe some in management.
RE: Great White Ghost :  
Great White Ghost : 5/11/2014 4:50 pm : link
In comment 11672110 Eric from BBI said:
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when was the last time the Giants fired a GM?
Never

Ok, Ross then? Or will they serve up talent and coaches into perpetuity on the altar on FO fuckups?
Adrien Robinson tweet from Saturday  
sphinx : 5/11/2014 8:11 pm : link
Adrien Robinson ‏@ItsARob8One 23h
Dedication and a little patience lead to domination on my way to GREATNESS...

For all those who say Robinson can block  
Tuckrule : 5/12/2014 9:20 am : link
Please show me proof. I saw him obviously in limited action and he cannot sustain a block. Initial punch and that's where it ends. I like donnell at this point more than I do Robinson.
Kellen Davis might be an upgrade over Pascoe.  
Curtis in VA : 5/12/2014 9:23 am : link
Nothing more.
RE: For all those who say Robinson can block  
Curtis in VA : 5/12/2014 9:26 am : link
In comment 11673101 Tuckrule said:
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Please show me proof. I saw him obviously in limited action and he cannot sustain a block. Initial punch and that's where it ends. I like donnell at this point more than I do Robinson.


Robinsons blocking has been mixed if I remember correctly. He's made some good blocks at times but also missed his share as well. Granted the offensive line, especially last year, was so bad that I can only assume it must have been confusing at times to know who to block when you have 3 and 4 defenders coming at you but he hasn't really done much to instill any confidence. Would love to see him improve though, of course.
TC mentioned  
LPete : 5/12/2014 9:39 am : link
that they ate going to have to bring more TE in from
A numbers standpoint. Who else is out there? Keller who had that nasty knee injury last summer, Fred Davis,who I like a lot but is a mess of the field. Who else?
They need numbers for camp  
bc4life : 5/12/2014 9:45 am : link
They'll be able to find someone. They aren't bringing in guys they expect to make the team, although surprises can always happen.
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