I am 50/50 on that Ivory play. He gets off the ball and engages him. I'm not sure if he uses Ivory's momentum to drive him or if Ivory is making a play
RE: RE: I really like this type of stuff by Raanan.
important for the success of the entire line. I know maybe of us were looking for a blue chip LT, but I think Richburg could be an absolute gem for many years. Athleticism and smarts is a hell of a combination.
That isn't, but there is plenty on here for him. Especially peculiar considering most of the interesting articles and tidbits are coming from him and not the other beat writers imo.
It's tough for me to think that's a clip displaying his strength. I think BlueLou said it perfectly, at best it's a stalemate...and I think that's being polite.
If he was truly showing his strength, Richburg is supposed to have the DT turned towards the left while Richburg's ass is facing the gap the RB is shooting through. Again, I think if we drafted the DT we'd be calling that a heads up play at stuffing the run.
Not trying to shit on Richburg or Ranaan, just a little constructive criticism from an amateur.
apparently held his own vs. Donald and he also commented he very easily puts on and takes off weight so I bet the NFL weight training problem will be great for him.
To my knowledge, it's atypical for a center to take on a DT alone anyway. I like the pick and he's more athletic than I gave him credit for originally. He looked good pulling.
That isn't, but there is plenty on here for him. Especially peculiar considering most of the interesting articles and tidbits are coming from him and not the other beat writers imo.
Agreed - I hope he does well, quality beat writers are a good thing.
entire draft breakdown tape of that game and Richburg consistently showed solid power and strength against the defense but he wasn't outright winning at the point of attack as other posters have mentioned. I felt that he mostly held his own and wasn't easily bull-rushed or driven backwards.
That funny Philly writer called Richburg our best pick didn't he?
I wonder, if we had drafted Lewan at 12 would we have still nabbed Richburg at 43 or would we have tabbed one of the WRs still on the board? I'd have loved to get both Lewan and Richburg, but I'll take it as it went down...
Reminds me of Maurkice Pouncey in his quickness and athleticism, or Mack, but without Mack's driving power. Maybe he'll get there with NFL level strength conditioning for his lower body.
always felt that realistically rebuilding of the line would take 2 off-seasons because even if we drafted someone high it likely would take time for him to be a good starter. I really like the Richburg pick and I suspect due to sheer numbers (and Schwartz specifically) the OL should be average-ish, which would be a nice upgrade.
Wow, weird that Walton's and Richburg's combine #s
are almost exactly the same. Size, weight, arm length, hands, 40, 10 yard splits, BPs, VJ, BJ, short shuttle and 3 cone results are about as close to identical as you would ever see. That's freakin' a little weird...
Imo, Walton who I suspect is the more powerful guy. But if Snee goes down and you move Schwartz to right guard, then letting Richburg be a left guard which is slightly less demanding than right guard would be a good move. With Richburg and Beatty together, you can actually add counter-tre to the right side plays to the run offense
If they decided they want to start BOTH Walton and Richburg, I'd guess Richburg at center (if he can make the calls right away which supposedly is one of his strongest suits.)
Mostly because I think they view Richburg as their "long term" answer at OC.
I should have qualified by answer by adding if it was a short term injury then I would use Walton at guard but if it was a long term injury then I would make the lineup switch. Keep in mind that for a short term injury you also have Jerry, Brewster, and Mosley to add to the mix.
Imo Mosley performed well at RG once he got steady snaps
Wouldn't he be Snee immediate backup? I don't want to go after Snee but I would love if Mosley is given a real opportunity to start.
I feel the same way. I really think he's a starter in this league. I hope the Giants give him his fair shake as opposed to just starting Snee because he made it through camp healthy. If Mosley performs, we have 3 young OL starters along with a guy we just locked up long term in Schwartz. Not too shabby.
Some of those plays were not as impressive as he explained it
or needed his opinion ever since his atrocious column where he laid out five potential scenarios for Coughlin and polled fans of what they would like to see. In the five scenarios, four of them represented Coughlin returning in some fashion, and one of them represented Coughlin walking away from the Giants.
Naturally, Coughlin walking away was the single highest vote getter, but at only 36%, indicating that two-thirds of the fans who responded indicated that they wanted Coughlin to return.
Yet Ranaan (and potentially a dubious editor) framed the article as if fans wanted Coughlin out and there is no other way to interpret the structure of the poll. That, or Ranaan is simple and so there's less reason to value his opinion.
or needed his opinion ever since his atrocious column where he laid out five potential scenarios for Coughlin and polled fans of what they would like to see. In the five scenarios, four of them represented Coughlin returning in some fashion, and one of them represented Coughlin walking away from the Giants.
Naturally, Coughlin walking away was the single highest vote getter, but at only 36%, indicating that two-thirds of the fans who responded indicated that they wanted Coughlin to return.
Yet Ranaan (and potentially a dubious editor) framed the article as if fans wanted Coughlin out and there is no other way to interpret the structure of the poll. That, or Ranaan is simple and so there's less reason to value his opinion.
It was a terrible job by everyone involved in that column. http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/12/readers_choice_tom_coughlin_walks_away_from_giants.html - ( New Window )
Wow, that is certainly an awful approach he took from the results of that poll. A couple of posters on this thread said that he reads this site. I hope he reads this and learns from it. Just brutal...
I only read Raanan's columns when it's posted on this forum. He posted a lot of fluff in the beginning but seems to be doing a better job overall. I thought his article on what Jerry Reese said from his pre-draft press conference was pretty bad though. Jerry Reese says nothing in those damn things and Raanan was trying too hard to get something out of it. I'll just chalk that up to his employer making him write something about the JR press conference though.
block, but Richburg certainly didn't control his man.
I too am hoping that Mosley proves to be a competent start in the league. I liked the very little I saw of him last year, and he had fantastic Combine numbers, suggesting that he's a fine athlete. Ideally (if Snee is still a very good OG) Mosley backs up at both OG positions, and next year moves in at LG while Schwartz goes back to RG.
I love that Jordan Ranaan is doing this, it's a really good idea. But I think he put up a bad clip when he tried to display Richburg's "strength/nastiness". Ranaan says that Richburg wrestled the DT to the ground, I disagree.
If you look at the video from the DT's point of view, he handled that play perfectly from a technique standpoint. He gave up no ground whatsoever to the center, controlled the center throughout, and then managed to disengage and throw his body out towards the RB to stop the run.
I don't pretend to be a scout or coach by any means, so if I'm off base I hope someone who knows technique within the trenches can correct me.
Overall though, great article and I'm excited for Ranaan to do the rest of the draft picks.
I also thought the same originally but after further review, that is a 1-gap nose tackle. His job is to clog the middle, not move laterally off his block. Richburg displaces him and actually opens a hole that his RB failed to see, IMO. There was definitely an opportunity for a cutback.
Also, a stalemate at the LOS vs. a future NFL NT is a win. The center starts every play at a disadvantage and rarely gets a chance to attack. He is, by nature, almost always on the defense.
On another note, appreciate all the feedback fellas (on everything -- good and bad) and please feel free to offer any suggestions. Always looking for ways to improve the coverage.
Good job on the breakdown. It's different than what the other writers do. I guess the best feedback is find something that the others don't do and use that.
I see this during training camp where someone makes a big play and every beat writer tweets it. Since it's the NY media you get 3-5 guys saying the same thing. I thought Rock does a good job offering something different, which is an example of what I mean by finding something the rest don't do, and add that.
This analyzing tape is a good idea. Thanks for doing something different.
granularity is good and you have access to film, etc. that the average fan does not. By the same token, not necessarily taking the company line is good when the granularity shows spin at work.
Seemed he is a bit weak on lateral movements/pickups. Not quick at all. I did however like the way he moved from his initial block to another defender. Guess that's support the view that he has a high football IQ.
Jordan Raanan - thanks for chiming in on the site...
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The Ranaan haters on here shouldn't be allowed to read these breakdowns.
Pointing out some of his work has been mediocre isn't 'hating'.
If he was truly showing his strength, Richburg is supposed to have the DT turned towards the left while Richburg's ass is facing the gap the RB is shooting through. Again, I think if we drafted the DT we'd be calling that a heads up play at stuffing the run.
Not trying to shit on Richburg or Ranaan, just a little constructive criticism from an amateur.
Agreed - I hope he does well, quality beat writers are a good thing.
I wonder, if we had drafted Lewan at 12 would we have still nabbed Richburg at 43 or would we have tabbed one of the WRs still on the board? I'd have loved to get both Lewan and Richburg, but I'll take it as it went down...
Reminds me of Maurkice Pouncey in his quickness and athleticism, or Mack, but without Mack's driving power. Maybe he'll get there with NFL level strength conditioning for his lower body.
Walton: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66680&draftyear=2010&genpos=C
Richburg below..
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Imo, Walton who I suspect is the more powerful guy. But if Snee goes down and you move Schwartz to right guard, then letting Richburg be a left guard which is slightly less demanding than right guard would be a good move. With Richburg and Beatty together, you can actually add counter-tre to the right side plays to the run offense
Mostly because I think they view Richburg as their "long term" answer at OC.
But they will all battle for roster spots and may the best men win.
I feel the same way. I really think he's a starter in this league. I hope the Giants give him his fair shake as opposed to just starting Snee because he made it through camp healthy. If Mosley performs, we have 3 young OL starters along with a guy we just locked up long term in Schwartz. Not too shabby.
Naturally, Coughlin walking away was the single highest vote getter, but at only 36%, indicating that two-thirds of the fans who responded indicated that they wanted Coughlin to return.
Yet Ranaan (and potentially a dubious editor) framed the article as if fans wanted Coughlin out and there is no other way to interpret the structure of the poll. That, or Ranaan is simple and so there's less reason to value his opinion.
It was a terrible job by everyone involved in that column.
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/12/readers_choice_tom_coughlin_walks_away_from_giants.html - ( New Window )
Naturally, Coughlin walking away was the single highest vote getter, but at only 36%, indicating that two-thirds of the fans who responded indicated that they wanted Coughlin to return.
Yet Ranaan (and potentially a dubious editor) framed the article as if fans wanted Coughlin out and there is no other way to interpret the structure of the poll. That, or Ranaan is simple and so there's less reason to value his opinion.
It was a terrible job by everyone involved in that column. http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/12/readers_choice_tom_coughlin_walks_away_from_giants.html - ( New Window )
Wow, that is certainly an awful approach he took from the results of that poll. A couple of posters on this thread said that he reads this site. I hope he reads this and learns from it. Just brutal...
I only read Raanan's columns when it's posted on this forum. He posted a lot of fluff in the beginning but seems to be doing a better job overall. I thought his article on what Jerry Reese said from his pre-draft press conference was pretty bad though. Jerry Reese says nothing in those damn things and Raanan was trying too hard to get something out of it. I'll just chalk that up to his employer making him write something about the JR press conference though.
You drafted the guy in the second round, PLAY HIM!
I too am hoping that Mosley proves to be a competent start in the league. I liked the very little I saw of him last year, and he had fantastic Combine numbers, suggesting that he's a fine athlete. Ideally (if Snee is still a very good OG) Mosley backs up at both OG positions, and next year moves in at LG while Schwartz goes back to RG.
If you look at the video from the DT's point of view, he handled that play perfectly from a technique standpoint. He gave up no ground whatsoever to the center, controlled the center throughout, and then managed to disengage and throw his body out towards the RB to stop the run.
I don't pretend to be a scout or coach by any means, so if I'm off base I hope someone who knows technique within the trenches can correct me.
Overall though, great article and I'm excited for Ranaan to do the rest of the draft picks.
I also thought the same originally but after further review, that is a 1-gap nose tackle. His job is to clog the middle, not move laterally off his block. Richburg displaces him and actually opens a hole that his RB failed to see, IMO. There was definitely an opportunity for a cutback.
Also, a stalemate at the LOS vs. a future NFL NT is a win. The center starts every play at a disadvantage and rarely gets a chance to attack. He is, by nature, almost always on the defense.
On another note, appreciate all the feedback fellas (on everything -- good and bad) and please feel free to offer any suggestions. Always looking for ways to improve the coverage.
I see this during training camp where someone makes a big play and every beat writer tweets it. Since it's the NY media you get 3-5 guys saying the same thing. I thought Rock does a good job offering something different, which is an example of what I mean by finding something the rest don't do, and add that.
This analyzing tape is a good idea. Thanks for doing something different.
Good stuff, thank you
One request I have is if you can do a Tight End analysis later this summer, maybe after a few pre-season games and there is some tape on these guys.
I have a feeling the outcome of this position will be a fairly hot topic based on what the Giants have to work with.
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There are Giants fans here that watch in bars, quite a few, but they tend to be young yeshiva buchers who don't know how to appreciate a game.
Last time I went to a bar to watch I endured a young Jets fan telling me how Eli sucked and Sanchez was great....