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We have lost some good players to Free Agency.

Blackbeard : 5/26/2014 11:53 am
How do you guys feel about how The Giants' management team handle the Salary Cap problem?

I can't give an opinion for lack of study of the problem.
Loosing tuck was tough because he could've been a lifer  
mattlawson : 5/26/2014 12:01 pm : link
But it was time to move on. Very tough decision. He played really well last year but was a shell of himself since 2009 save the playoffs of 2011. Can't pay everyone when you have a franchise QB making $$$.
My overall guess is that this FA we gained more quality than we lost  
GiantSteps : 5/26/2014 12:07 pm : link
BUT we still have too many problems to address. There are some good threads about this already. And it seems like there's a new one every day.
RE: Loosing tuck was tough because he could've been a lifer  
Mason : 5/26/2014 12:08 pm : link
In comment 11696269 mattlawson said:
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Can't pay everyone when you have a franchise QB making $$$.


Bingo. To me the cap discussion is so far off the table.And the decision was ownership.
The only real loss was Linval Joseph.  
Klaatu : 5/26/2014 12:26 pm : link
But I'm sure the Giants were preparing for that loss when they drafted Johnathan Hankins last year.
What salary cap problem?  
BillT : 5/26/2014 12:32 pm : link
The Giants had 25m or so in cap space and generated even more when DRC became available. They were masterful in getting a lot of bang for their buck as well as signing high priced guys like Beason and DRC. It was an excellent offseason FA and cap wise.
Klaatu and Bill T  
Blackbeard : 5/26/2014 12:41 pm : link
Thank you.
They've done a good job, but the league helped them out---as  
Optimus-NY : 5/26/2014 12:55 pm : link
well as the other 31 teams in the league by way of the late boost in the unadjusted cap that occurred. That allowed them to not restructure/extend Rolle IMO. Instead, they'll let his contract expire, and then decide what to do with him at the end of the year. This will give them MUCH more leverage from a cap standpoint. It's never good to get hamstrung by the contract of a veteran player over 20 who's been productive for you in the past. Loyalty has the potential to get in the way of projected production contract-wise.
TYPO  
Optimus-NY : 5/26/2014 12:56 pm : link
I MEANT TO TYPE:

It's never good to get hamstrung by the contract of a veteran player over 30 who's been productive for you in the past.
Blackbeard, I am in no way any kind of capologist.  
Klaatu : 5/26/2014 12:58 pm : link
I leave that stuff to Optimus-NY and others. However, when you look at what the Giants paid for Geoff Schwartz, Robert Ayers, DRC, and J.D. Walton, and compare their contracts with those of Jon Asamoah, Justin Tuck, Aqib Talib, and Evan Dietrich-Smith, it seems to me that the Giants got a number of bargains without having to go all the way down to the basement.

I can kick about a couple of things, but overall I thought Reese had a good Spring.
The only player that I was concerned about losing  
kmed : 5/26/2014 1:00 pm : link
was Joseph, but it was clear to me that the Giants didn't think he was necessary. They threw money around like drunkin sailors and they barely tried, if at all, to sign Joseph. I'm not suggesting that Joseph isn't as good as I thought he was, but I think the Giants either don't value him or his position as much or they like who they have on the roster.
Giants were pretty frugal with  
PEEJ : 5/26/2014 1:02 pm : link
the length and signing bonuses of the FAs. DRC and Schwartz were the only "big ticket" items in terms of future possible dead money.
I think this is the deepest team we have seen here since 2010  
djm : 5/26/2014 1:11 pm : link
But DE pass rusher is a position that worries me a bit along with DT. With that said there are young talented players in the pipeline that will get a chance. Step right up mr Moore and Hankins...

A lot of 2nd and 3rd and even 4th year players will need to step up this season and emerge. I think we are in good shape.
I'm most impressed...  
BamaBlue : 5/26/2014 1:33 pm : link
By the emphasis on the OL. The Giants had some major holes in the Offensive Line that had to be addressed. The only sure so starter from last year is Pugh. The pieces have to come together in camp and the preseason, but I'm much more confident in the OL going into this season than the past 3-5 years. Let's hope Eli thinks so too...
Tuck was tough  
oipolloi : 5/26/2014 1:34 pm : link
because when he is healthy, he is a two-way DE and you can count those on the fingers of one hand. I would have kept him, especially if he would have signed for 2/8 as he claimed.

Joseph was tough to lose but I agree with letting him walk.

Nicks: the situation had deteriorated so much that the Giants really had no choice.

Baas: should have been done the year before.



Last year we obviously had no cap room at all.  
Reese's Pieces : 5/26/2014 1:39 pm : link
So you can't really debate letting Osi or Boley go.

This year when it turns out we had a lot of cap space I wonder about Joseph, a home grown high draft pick who seemed like he might be ready for a big year. Four sacks last year.

I also wonder about Tuck. A respected team leader and a two ring vet. Of course his play had gone downhill. But he admitted in the middle of 2011 that he had been thinking about retirement. So is it fair to say that he wasn't playing and training at full speed in the first half of 2011 and most of 2012. But he showed he could turn it on again in the 2011 playoffs. And at the end of last season maybe after he started reading in the papers that he might be waived.

And who do we have behind him except Kiwanuka. I'm thinking and hoping that Kiwi has been jerked around so much by the Giants that this year with him set finally in the end position that he's going to give it all he's got and have his best season.

But still, hate to see all the Super Bowl winners move on.
I would have preferred to keep Joseph  
djm : 5/26/2014 2:07 pm : link
but if you gave me the choice of DRC or Joseph i'd probably take DRC. IT's close...but at least the Giants used that money on an impact player and DRC is definitely an impact player.

Joseph  
old man : 5/26/2014 3:40 pm : link
in actual play, and Tuck, sentimentally.
5 years of 'meh' drafting, and 'projects', plus hanging on to veterans to return to form, plus ignoring LB and OL,= we still have holes to address, but we are better from this offseason. Even though it may take a while to jell with 29 new guys on the roster.
COMPLACENT at camp; will last until the first cutdown day, if that.
Gotta love it.
In spite of everything,  
Blackbeard : 5/26/2014 4:43 pm : link
the comparisons to rival teams, the questions about the GM, the HC, the 'retired' OC, it's still nice to be a Giants Fan!
77 yrs. a long time to love one team.
At this point, you gotta say  
CT Charlie : 5/26/2014 10:00 pm : link
Reese did well. I still think we're a year away from being good, and even when we're good we're erratic.
You're never going to be able to keep all your players  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/26/2014 10:14 pm : link
The Giants clearly had a plan when they let Joseph go.

The Cowboys had to cut Ware because they've bungled their cap. The Giants have never been in such a position.
RE: Last year we obviously had no cap room at all.  
Mr. Nickels : 5/27/2014 2:33 am : link
In comment 11696411 Reese's Pieces said:
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So you can't really debate letting Osi or Boley go.

This year when it turns out we had a lot of cap space I wonder about Joseph, a home grown high draft pick who seemed like he might be ready for a big year. Four sacks last year.

I also wonder about Tuck. A respected team leader and a two ring vet. Of course his play had gone downhill. But he admitted in the middle of 2011 that he had been thinking about retirement. So is it fair to say that he wasn't playing and training at full speed in the first half of 2011 and most of 2012. But he showed he could turn it on again in the 2011 playoffs. And at the end of last season maybe after he started reading in the papers that he might be waived.

And who do we have behind him except Kiwanuka. I'm thinking and hoping that Kiwi has been jerked around so much by the Giants that this year with him set finally in the end position that he's going to give it all he's got and have his best season.

But still, hate to see all the Super Bowl winners move on.


I keep forgetting we even have Kiwanuka on the team.

He has got to have a good year. Depending on Moore is a big risk. Kiwanuka has proven he could do it before. He should be getting some of the most playing time of his career.

We will see how  
TMS : 5/27/2014 9:47 am : link
our very respectable interior defense fares without Joseph this year. We shut down the run last year and did an overall good job the second half of the season ending up in the top ten. If we regress then it was a huge mistake to let LJ walk.
I thought we  
Doomster : 5/28/2014 12:05 pm : link
shut down the run AFTER Beason arrived.....
One more year of Tuck would have been good  
Jimmy Googs : 5/28/2014 12:54 pm : link
but whatever...
Tuck wasn't cap management though  
jcn56 : 5/28/2014 1:02 pm : link
that just seemed like the Giants were ready to move on.
Love the Tuck  
Randy in CT : 5/28/2014 1:09 pm : link
however he wasn't effective for a good year and a half. Joseph was the head-scratcher due to the price he agreed to.

I think we've done pretty good overall.
I would have liked  
Sneakers O'toole : 5/28/2014 1:21 pm : link
to have found a way to keep Joseph but the pragmatist in me knows that it wasn't feasible. Tuck will always be a favorite of mine, but letting him walk was probably the right thing to do as well. I think we had a decent offseason, of course the only thing that really matters is how it translates on game day which remains to be seen.

But I feel pretty good about things so far. There are still big questions, but there was always going to be that given the state of the roster coming off of last season. We all knew big turnover was coming.
The change or turnover is still not done yet.  
AnishPatel : 5/28/2014 1:27 pm : link
The whole coaching staff is on a 2 year deal. Basically it's a 1 year deal since we don't let coaches coach in their last year. Eli, AR, Wilson and RR have 2 year deals too. MM and JJ have 1 year deals.

I am curious to see what happens to everyone else in the future. If we suck or need a rebuilding year, I think things will get interesting in terms of coaching staff and even making a decision on Eli. Either way, good for bad, we will make a decision on Eli. Extend his contract or decide to turn the page.

So I think our turnover isn't done yet.
Some cap mngt things I didn't like  
Jimmy Googs : 5/28/2014 1:27 pm : link
I thought Stevie Brown was little pricey. And I wouldn't have thought Walton needed to get $3 million guaranteed on his deal.

Both guys coming off serious injuries and have to re-establish themselves quite a bit.

Neither deal blows the cap but just sayin'...
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