I love cruz but he is not as good as any of
Marshall Calvin Gordon Dez Fitz.. Those are all big athletic 1s that are able to go up and get it at any point when u decide to heave it up for a 50-50 ball
Cruz did not play good last year and does have to do better, all im saying is those guys are different animals that shouldnt be compared to cruz, and i also stand by the fact that all of those recievers not named calvin most likely put up a similar bad year, 900-1000 yards and a few tds.. but maybe a few extra tds when considering 50-50 balls in endzone shots when in redzone
Calvin would have had a monster year last year. Why? Because he is just that damn good. LOL
marshall, dez, green, and megaton….they all have great running games that the defense has to account for. Cruz hasn't been on the giants when they had a good run game. easier to go over the top,
Cruz wasn't and isn't the problem with the offense. He's the least of our worries. I don't think anyone was helping this offense last year once shit snowballed.
marshall, dez, green, and megaton….they all have great running games that the defense has to account for. Cruz hasn't been on the giants when they had a good run game. easier to go over the top,
Dez, Megatron, etc have all had big years where their offense's run game hasn't been great themselves. It's not some plight unique to Cruz.
Cruz isn't on that true top-top tier WR level... and it's okay, just like it's okay that Eli's never going to be on Aaron Rodgers' level or that Tom Coughlin isn't ever going to be the "coach of his generation" or that Prince isn't ever going to be Richard Sherman's equal or whatever. It's not hating for anyone to accept those things. It's not hating on him, specifically, to point out that, like almost everyone on offense last year, he's got some rebounding to do this season either.
in the league who wouldn't have struggled on the Giants last year in all fairness to Cruz. That said, yeah he needs to play better. That drop in production wasn't all on the offensive line
He isn't an elite X receiver and he isn't paid one like either. He's an elite slot receiver who can be effective on the outside. He did okay last year given that he had no help from any other receivers, running backs, or tight ends. By virtue of any of those units bouncing back then Cruz will bounce back.
You left out another kind of help he was missing: from the OL.
It really would have been useful for Cruz to have had time to complete his routes, and for Eli to have the confidence to wait for him and then step into his throws.
Huge ND fan, while I didn't think he was that great, all of his teammates seemed to love him and he worked very hard. In the current day NFL where LBs need to be able to cover as well as they defend the run, he could flourish (eventually). However, he is certainly a project.
2013 - just missed hitting the 1000 yard mark and only played 14 games. And that was on arguably one of the worst offenses in the league.
Biggest difference between Cruz and a lot of the top receivers is size. "You can throw the ball up and they can go get it" yeah - size has a lot to do with that.
Eli did not have time to throw to anyone last year - adding to that was the lack of a running game, yet he still just missed the 1000 yard mark. If you actually watched the games last year - it's not hard to figure out why his numbers were off. And, the vast majority of the reasons were beyond his control.
To simply point to his lack of TDs and drop in yardage is an incomplete analysis.
But, if you think Cruz is a player you have to worry about this year, be my guest...
Maybe he will do better at tackle. Maybe, but there is room for concern. And, I would be interested in hearing any argument that we should feel confident with him as the starting LT
...is to back up Beason at MIKE. He can also play outside, and could earn a Sunday shirt on specials. To make the final 53, though, the guy he has to beat is Herzlich. There are too many bodies ahead of him at OLB, barring an injury to McClain, Paysinger, Williams or Kennard.
Not that I watched a lot of Notre Dame games while he was there. I'm just looking at roster math. As for the size issue, he needs about ten pounds of muscle to stay in the league at any position. Looks like his frame can handle it; he's just really underdeveloped for a kid who played 50+ games at a major program. That might mean a year on the practice squad.
By the way, I wouldn't be shocked if only 5 LBs make the final cut. Â
No one here said Eli played well. All some of us are saying its quite possible Cruz didnt play well either.... because he didnt.
So far we have double teams, the OL, no run game, Eli, no help from TE or any other WRs. any other excuses for why Cruz didnt put up top 10-15 numbers last year? I am losing count.
is a name that comes to mind. If I recall correctly he returned from cancer as an OLB with the Rams, then again as a HC. Mark wouldn't want any cancer points to make the team. Nor should he get any. We still root for him.
Victor is a slot receiver. He's great at it. Better than Stevie Smith was. He needs, however, a deep threat to open up his game. And if that guy is Randle I will be very surprised. To me there is nothing special to his game .
...because he might have to back up multiple positions. He projects best to Kiwanuka's old spot, which the Giants call the WIL and most teams call the SAM. That would put him behind McClain. It's a two-down position, so backing it up isn't really a full-time job. He'll also get looks as as a pass-rusher in long yardage.
a shell shocked QB, a non existant running game, a hardley serviceable TE, an offensive scheme that has run its course, and a # 1 WR who could care fucking less opposite him and we are wondering why Victor Cuz had a down year?
a shell shocked QB, a non existant running game, a hardley serviceable TE, an offensive scheme that has run its course, and a # 1 WR who could care fucking less and substandard play from Victor Cuz, and we wonder why the offense had a down year?
Cruz is not a #1. the other guys we are talking about are. he is a 1A. He can be the best Robin in the league... but he aint batman. that is not a knock. that is just factual based on where he excels.
Was he great last year? hell no. Was he better then most of our offense, yes... but he still wasnt a big value add guy. I would expect him to perform much better this season.
the reason Nicks people wanted to give hakeem the money is because Hakeem in any offense at peak performance (rare due to injury) is a #1.
Cruz is not a #1. the other guys we are talking about are. he is a 1A. He can be the best Robin in the league... but he aint batman. that is not a knock. that is just factual based on where he excels.
Was he great last year? hell no. Was he better then most of our offense, yes... but he still wasnt a big value add guy. I would expect him to perform much better this season.
the reason Nicks people wanted to give hakeem the money is because Hakeem in any offense at peak performance (rare due to injury) is a #1.
Victor makes a much higher base salary this year vs. nicks.
so...nice sounding theory, but, no.
I dont understand your post. I would have given nicks money over cruz 2 yrs ago because i view him as a #1... not a 1a.... clearly nicks is another story after last years performance and injuries, but that was the basis for my comment.
Cruz was not a value add WR last year outside of maybe 3 games. The whole offense stunk... cruz was better then most, but still largely lagged expectations.
...is that his career won't end in 2014. Even if the Giants cut him, I think he'll catch on with another team in the northeast, like Philly (home) or New England (his college town). Heck, if the Cowboys keep losing linebackers, he might wind up in Dallas.
''Cruz is not a #1. the other guys we are talking about are. he is a 1A. He can be the best Robin in the league... but he aint batman. that is not a knock. that is just factual based on where he excels.
Was he great last year? hell no. Was he better then most of our offense, yes... but he still wasnt a big value add guy. I would expect him to perform much better this season.
>>>the reason Nicks people wanted to give hakeem the >>>money is because Hakeem in any offense at peak performance (rare due to injury) is a #1.''
1. Eli
2. JPP
3. Cruz
It wouldnt matter on who did what if these 3 dont go back to play to their top level.
Marshall Calvin Gordon Dez Fitz.. Those are all big athletic 1s that are able to go up and get it at any point when u decide to heave it up for a 50-50 ball
Cruz did not play good last year and does have to do better, all im saying is those guys are different animals that shouldnt be compared to cruz, and i also stand by the fact that all of those recievers not named calvin most likely put up a similar bad year, 900-1000 yards and a few tds.. but maybe a few extra tds when considering 50-50 balls in endzone shots when in redzone
Calvin would have had a monster year last year. Why? Because he is just that damn good. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMR7Zzx1LfA
Dez, Megatron, etc have all had big years where their offense's run game hasn't been great themselves. It's not some plight unique to Cruz.
Cruz isn't on that true top-top tier WR level... and it's okay, just like it's okay that Eli's never going to be on Aaron Rodgers' level or that Tom Coughlin isn't ever going to be the "coach of his generation" or that Prince isn't ever going to be Richard Sherman's equal or whatever. It's not hating for anyone to accept those things. It's not hating on him, specifically, to point out that, like almost everyone on offense last year, he's got some rebounding to do this season either.
Maybe there's a surprise among the rest of them, let's hope so. There's certainly a lot of opportunity.
It really would have been useful for Cruz to have had time to complete his routes, and for Eli to have the confidence to wait for him and then step into his throws.
Not really different from any other year since Pierce retired.
I don't want to see "James Brewer" and "Giants" in the same sentence again.
2013 - just missed hitting the 1000 yard mark and only played 14 games. And that was on arguably one of the worst offenses in the league.
Biggest difference between Cruz and a lot of the top receivers is size. "You can throw the ball up and they can go get it" yeah - size has a lot to do with that.
Eli did not have time to throw to anyone last year - adding to that was the lack of a running game, yet he still just missed the 1000 yard mark. If you actually watched the games last year - it's not hard to figure out why his numbers were off. And, the vast majority of the reasons were beyond his control.
To simply point to his lack of TDs and drop in yardage is an incomplete analysis.
But, if you think Cruz is a player you have to worry about this year, be my guest...
Not that I watched a lot of Notre Dame games while he was there. I'm just looking at roster math. As for the size issue, he needs about ten pounds of muscle to stay in the league at any position. Looks like his frame can handle it; he's just really underdeveloped for a kid who played 50+ games at a major program. That might mean a year on the practice squad.
Six is more likely, but five is possible if the team is hurting for roster spots.
No one here said Eli played well. All some of us are saying its quite possible Cruz didnt play well either.... because he didnt.
So far we have double teams, the OL, no run game, Eli, no help from TE or any other WRs. any other excuses for why Cruz didnt put up top 10-15 numbers last year? I am losing count.
Agreed, but he's stuck thus far, did you forget he went to BC?
Victor is a slot receiver. He's great at it. Better than Stevie Smith was. He needs, however, a deep threat to open up his game. And if that guy is Randle I will be very surprised. To me there is nothing special to his game .
Fixed.
I'm happy he is having a successful book tour and I hope the best for him in the future but just not as a Giants LB
Was he great last year? hell no. Was he better then most of our offense, yes... but he still wasnt a big value add guy. I would expect him to perform much better this season.
the reason Nicks people wanted to give hakeem the money is because Hakeem in any offense at peak performance (rare due to injury) is a #1.
Was he great last year? hell no. Was he better then most of our offense, yes... but he still wasnt a big value add guy. I would expect him to perform much better this season.
the reason Nicks people wanted to give hakeem the money is because Hakeem in any offense at peak performance (rare due to injury) is a #1.
Good post.
so...nice sounding theory, but, no.
so...nice sounding theory, but, no.
I didn't know that salary was be all and end all. By that measure Russell Wilson is a scrub :)
so...nice sounding theory, but, no.
I dont understand your post. I would have given nicks money over cruz 2 yrs ago because i view him as a #1... not a 1a.... clearly nicks is another story after last years performance and injuries, but that was the basis for my comment.
Cruz was not a value add WR last year outside of maybe 3 games. The whole offense stunk... cruz was better then most, but still largely lagged expectations.
so...nice sounding theory, but, no.
I dont know what this has to do with Cruz's performance last year, but thanks?
''Cruz is not a #1. the other guys we are talking about are. he is a 1A. He can be the best Robin in the league... but he aint batman. that is not a knock. that is just factual based on where he excels.
Was he great last year? hell no. Was he better then most of our offense, yes... but he still wasnt a big value add guy. I would expect him to perform much better this season.
>>>the reason Nicks people wanted to give hakeem the >>>money is because Hakeem in any offense at peak performance (rare due to injury) is a #1.''