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Dan Salomone: 3 Players who stood out at OTAs

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/28/2014 7:32 pm
FYI.

Eli
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Dan Fox
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Spock: Fox's best shot at the roster...  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/29/2014 9:03 am : link
...is to back up Beason at MIKE. He can also play outside, and could earn a Sunday shirt on specials. To make the final 53, though, the guy he has to beat is Herzlich. There are too many bodies ahead of him at OLB, barring an injury to McClain, Paysinger, Williams or Kennard.

Not that I watched a lot of Notre Dame games while he was there. I'm just looking at roster math. As for the size issue, he needs about ten pounds of muscle to stay in the league at any position. Looks like his frame can handle it; he's just really underdeveloped for a kid who played 50+ games at a major program. That might mean a year on the practice squad.
By the way, I wouldn't be shocked if only 5 LBs make the final cut.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/29/2014 9:10 am : link
Spencer Adkins might wind up a speed-dial street free agent, with a couple of young guys like Fox and Anderson on the practice squad.

Six is more likely, but five is possible if the team is hurting for roster spots.
beating out Herzlich isn't exactly a monumental task  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2014 9:11 am : link
The guy is a great story, but he's not an NFL linebacker.
I remember a comment some time ago  
bc4life : 5/29/2014 9:14 am : link
re: NFL players who overcame cancer - said they were never the same player after the treatment (chemo). Don't know how much that impacted Herzlich.
RE: hey, maybe if our QB didn't suck ass last year?  
dep026 : 5/29/2014 9:18 am : link
In comment 11700914 Greg from LI said:
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Just spitballin' here


No one here said Eli played well. All some of us are saying its quite possible Cruz didnt play well either.... because he didnt.

So far we have double teams, the OL, no run game, Eli, no help from TE or any other WRs. any other excuses for why Cruz didnt put up top 10-15 numbers last year? I am losing count.
Anyone watch the video at the first link  
BlueHurricane : 5/29/2014 9:24 am : link
That ball Eli thew was BEAUTIFUL!! That is all.
Thanks BBB  
Spock : 5/29/2014 9:25 am : link
Beating out MH doesn't sound like a big thing to me considering MH is only so so. I thought Kennard was our next MLB behind Beason.
RE: beating out Herzlich isn't exactly a monumental task  
jcn56 : 5/29/2014 9:26 am : link
In comment 11700938 Greg from LI said:
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The guy is a great story, but he's not an NFL linebacker.


Agreed, but he's stuck thus far, did you forget he went to BC?
Jack Pardee  
RetroJint : 5/29/2014 9:29 am : link
is a name that comes to mind. If I recall correctly he returned from cancer as an OLB with the Rams, then again as a HC. Mark wouldn't want any cancer points to make the team. Nor should he get any. We still root for him.

Victor is a slot receiver. He's great at it. Better than Stevie Smith was. He needs, however, a deep threat to open up his game. And if that guy is Randle I will be very surprised. To me there is nothing special to his game .
Spock: Kennard is getting reps at MIKE...  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/29/2014 9:41 am : link
...because he might have to back up multiple positions. He projects best to Kiwanuka's old spot, which the Giants call the WIL and most teams call the SAM. That would put him behind McClain. It's a two-down position, so backing it up isn't really a full-time job. He'll also get looks as as a pass-rusher in long yardage.
A Terrible Offensive line  
Chef : 5/29/2014 9:42 am : link
a shell shocked QB, a non existant running game, a hardley serviceable TE, an offensive scheme that has run its course, and a # 1 WR who could care fucking less opposite him and we are wondering why Victor Cuz had a down year?
RE: A Terrible Offensive line  
dep026 : 5/29/2014 9:51 am : link
In comment 11700995 Chef said:
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a shell shocked QB, a non existant running game, a hardley serviceable TE, an offensive scheme that has run its course, and a # 1 WR who could care fucking less and substandard play from Victor Cuz, and we wonder why the offense had a down year?


Fixed.
I love Herlich the kid  
mac attack : 5/29/2014 10:06 am : link
but I'm done with him as LB, ESPECIALLY a starting LB. There is a place for him on ST, sure, but he just can't play LB.

I'm happy he is having a successful book tour and I hope the best for him in the future but just not as a Giants LB
He's a special teamer.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/29/2014 10:11 am : link
not a big deal.
its pretty simple  
hitdog42 : 5/29/2014 10:51 am : link
Cruz is not a #1. the other guys we are talking about are. he is a 1A. He can be the best Robin in the league... but he aint batman. that is not a knock. that is just factual based on where he excels.
Was he great last year? hell no. Was he better then most of our offense, yes... but he still wasnt a big value add guy. I would expect him to perform much better this season.
the reason Nicks people wanted to give hakeem the money is because Hakeem in any offense at peak performance (rare due to injury) is a #1.
RE: its pretty simple  
dep026 : 5/29/2014 11:13 am : link
In comment 11701100 hitdog42 said:
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Cruz is not a #1. the other guys we are talking about are. he is a 1A. He can be the best Robin in the league... but he aint batman. that is not a knock. that is just factual based on where he excels.
Was he great last year? hell no. Was he better then most of our offense, yes... but he still wasnt a big value add guy. I would expect him to perform much better this season.
the reason Nicks people wanted to give hakeem the money is because Hakeem in any offense at peak performance (rare due to injury) is a #1.


Good post.
hitdog and dep  
alligatorpie : 5/29/2014 11:15 am : link
Victor makes a much higher base salary this year vs. nicks.

so...nice sounding theory, but, no.
side note  
alligatorpie : 5/29/2014 11:19 am : link
Barden is at the Bills, wonder if he makes it.
Will Hill in 5/28 OTA?  
Hondo : 5/29/2014 11:37 am : link
Hope he was there.

RE: hitdog and dep  
Mike in NY : 5/29/2014 11:41 am : link
In comment 11701148 alligatorpie said:
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Victor makes a much higher base salary this year vs. nicks.

so...nice sounding theory, but, no.


I didn't know that salary was be all and end all. By that measure Russell Wilson is a scrub :)
RE: hitdog and dep  
hitdog42 : 5/29/2014 11:42 am : link
In comment 11701148 alligatorpie said:
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Victor makes a much higher base salary this year vs. nicks.

so...nice sounding theory, but, no.


I dont understand your post. I would have given nicks money over cruz 2 yrs ago because i view him as a #1... not a 1a.... clearly nicks is another story after last years performance and injuries, but that was the basis for my comment.
Cruz was not a value add WR last year outside of maybe 3 games. The whole offense stunk... cruz was better then most, but still largely lagged expectations.
RE: hitdog and dep  
dep026 : 5/29/2014 11:53 am : link
In comment 11701148 alligatorpie said:
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Victor makes a much higher base salary this year vs. nicks.

so...nice sounding theory, but, no.


I dont know what this has to do with Cruz's performance last year, but thanks?
My useless, wild-ass guess on Herzlich...  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/29/2014 5:04 pm : link
...is that his career won't end in 2014. Even if the Giants cut him, I think he'll catch on with another team in the northeast, like Philly (home) or New England (his college town). Heck, if the Cowboys keep losing linebackers, he might wind up in Dallas.
hey dep and hitdog, fine, ok, then  
alligatorpie : 5/29/2014 7:30 pm : link
translate this please

''Cruz is not a #1. the other guys we are talking about are. he is a 1A. He can be the best Robin in the league... but he aint batman. that is not a knock. that is just factual based on where he excels.
Was he great last year? hell no. Was he better then most of our offense, yes... but he still wasnt a big value add guy. I would expect him to perform much better this season.


>>>the reason Nicks people wanted to give hakeem the >>>money is because Hakeem in any offense at peak performance (rare due to injury) is a #1.''
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