I can't think of anyone, but maybe some of you have a vet FA or a UDFA you'd like the Giants to pick up and give a look see.
And that was the plan all along or at least the fallback position. They were ready for the release of Hill. Nice work by Reese.
but our defense got significantly worse today.
I'd also look for a safety in the draft, someone like Nat Berhe. Maybe in the 5th or 6th round?
This is one of the worst fromnt office moves in Giants history, second only to giving the Dolphins a second round pick for signing Larry CSonka to a Plan B free agent contract. 2012 with Steve Brown at safety giants give up 26 touchdowns 4063 yds and a 63.9% completion percentage. 2013 with Hill 21 touchdowns 3573 yds and 21 touchdowns. Browwn is horrible and I don't care how many interceptions he gets by guessing; he got burned twice for every interceoption.
but if Quintin Demps is playing meaningful snaps at safety, it will not be a good thing.
He can't cover.
defensive numbers were skewed last year by the stretch against Barkley, Tolzein, Freeman, and Terrell Pryor.
First, are you basing your judgement on Demps work against Tight ends and running backs in the short zone or against wide receivers in deep coverage?
Second, considering the number of defensive backs on the team with NFL experience, I'm not too worried about Demps limited coverage skills as I see him as a more "in-the-box" type of guy.
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| This is one of the worst fromnt office moves in Giants history,
Holy fuckin' hyperbole!
I watch a lot of Chiefs games, my brother is a huge Chiefs fan and I usually watch them if the Giants arent on.
His play against the Colts in the playoffs was horrifying. His play the entire 2nd half of the season was miserable.
Good special teamer. But just hope Stevie Brown doesn't get hurt and Demps never has to play meaningful snaps on defense because if he's playing consistently he will be exposed big time
as is Brown, imo, WY saw what I saw in his play. They'll coach one up for '14, and S moves a notch up the needs list next offseason, especially if Rolle departs.
too bad he is old tho. but will hills game was a lot like his i thought. Does it hurt at this point? i don't think so. but if we get a Finely or keller, i would feel better....slightly.
With Rolle's contract we will be going safety in the first 2 rounds of next years draft.
which often stunk last year.
last year after returning from his 3rd ACL tear. He is another year removed from his latest injury and he actually improved as the season wore on....PLUS he can HIT.
I think tha he would make a good fill in at Safety this season. Hell he may even last for 2 or 3 seasons at Safety.
Kevin Williams DT and Jermichael Finely TE
Sign them both
safety's from another team.
Is a guy I would love to see the Giants give another shot to, he played pretty well for them and if he were able to remain healthy this season, he may be a good player once again. The trouble is though that they have two young players they drafted last season and this season in Berhe and Taylor that may fill the 4th and 5th safety role, plus they added Demps and Brown is back. So I actually think they are fine as is.
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| ...they have two young players they drafted last season and this season in Berhe and Taylor that may fill the 4th and 5th safety role...
Actually, other than his size, Berhe looks like he might be the real deal. Definitely he will need to be coached up to NFL caliber but this guy seems to have the complete "safety" mindset and loves to hit. Obviously the coaches will evaluate his talent vs. the team's positional needs, but if he sticks I think it will be as a strong safety. He would get eaten alive at free safety by NFL TE's or the bigger receivers.
But, at the end of the day, we aren't replacing Will Hill's caliber anytime soon. Too bad WH has so little self control. I do think Berhe has the ability to make us say "nice play" from time to time. Not nearly as often as Will Hill, but enough to lessen the pain somewhat.
so that he can retire as a Giant.
Unless Cooper Taylor surprises!
and come out of retirement to play in-the-box safety.
Oh, I forgot he is already signed to play MLB for the Cowboys.
by drafting Behre and signing Demps
Rolle and Brown are starters..
The extra cap room is probably going to Jermichael Finley.
Next offseason we need to draft a safety to replace Rolle and or Brown.
and his minimal salary will not have anything to do with anyone being signed..
If Brown isn't all the way back (or wears down later), and Taylor and/or Berhe step up, Rolle can essentially replace Hill. For the most part, I don't think the two safety positions in the base 4-3 are all that different. Ideally, you would want Taylor in the Deon Grant role, which basically leaves Berhe and Demps as the alternatives to Brown.
I don't see the need to fill Hill's spot with another safety. I could even see them bringing in another punter eventually, to reduce the wear on Weatherford's 32-year-old leg.
I believe Nickoe Whitley is still available. He reportedly was picked up by the Browns, but I do not see him on their roster.
The hate for Stevie Brown on this board.....
2012 with Steve Brown at safety giants give up 26 touchdowns 4063 yds and a 63.9% completion percentage. 2013 with Hill 21 touchdowns 3573 yds and 21 touchdowns. Browwn is horrible and I don't care how many interceptions he gets by guessing; he got burned twice for every interception.
Those stats are all based on just the presence of Stevie Brown? There was no difference it the quality of opponents in the schedule? Or no linebacker play in 2011? It's all on Brown....and yet Brown was burned for 16 TD's? I don't remember that...
This guy finally had a chance to be a starter, and puts up some numbers(8 int's, 11 PD's, in just 11 starts).... we will never know if he would have improved as a safety, being in this system for a second year under Fewell....he basically was a rookie out there.....
I just don't get it....a guy comes off the bench, and is blamed for the shit show that defense put up....
plenty of the so called "mis-communication" problems in the secondary two years ago. Recall Rolle saying that to the press several times so as to not throw anybody under the bus.
Clearly Webster's poor play contributed too, but you have to assume Brown was involved.
Far fewer big pass plays in 2013.
That played a bit of a role in the new and improved pass defense.
but he reminds me of the former Baseball player(later manager) Eddie Stanky and what was said about him(not sure who came up with the quote) as a player: "He can't run, he can't hit, he can't field. All he can do is beat you."
Regardless of limitations, Brown has a nose for the ball, similar to Everson Walls and former all-pro Vkes S, Paul Krause..
You need that kind of production/player, flaws and all
we are probably going to need more interceptions to make up for lack of sacks this season.
I recall a play Brown made picking off a ball Brees thru intended for Jimmy Graham (i think). He was playing centerfield and read it perfectly and jumped in front of Graham to snag the ball. And as usual for him that year, Brown ran it back like 70 yards or something.
In fairness to Brown's detractors, there were several times that year - including his other pick in the New Orleans game - when the ball found him, not vice-versa. But big plays don't just happen, and he made a bunch of them. The question is how well a guy who couldn't afford to lose a step will bounce back from an ACL. Anatomy of a play: Brown's 70-yard INT return vs. NO
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Otoh, on one leg SB should be faster than Walls or Krause imo
Can we not act liek we just lost Ed Reed or Troy Palamolu in their prime? You guys are really bored.