I briefly mentioned some of this in another thread but thought it deserved its own thread. Eli just finished his 10th season in the NFL.
- Eli has a career completion percentage of 58.5 with 229 touchdowns and 171 Interceptions. His career quarterback rating is 81.2.
-Eli has led the league in interceptions 3 times (2007, 2010, 2013)
- Eli is one of 5 quarterbacks all time to be crowned superbowl MVP more than once.
-Eli has the 3rd longest streak of consecutive starts in NFL history(and counting)
- The first two times that he led the leauge in interceptions, he followed it up with great seasons. In 2008 he had a career low 10 interceptions while leading the giants to a 12-4 record and a #1 seed in the NFC. If burress did not shoot himself in the leg this team would have had a great shot at another superbowl. In 2011 Eli carried a team with a piss poor defense and running game to the playoffs when everything came together and he delivered a 2nd superbowl championship.
The point of this thread is how will Eli be viewed when he retires? He is obviously the greatest QB in NYG history but one year he is considered Elite and the next he is a joke and laughed at for how many picks he throws. So many people talk about how inconsistent and eratic he is but he has been pretty cyclically consistent. I can predict that in 2016 he will lead the league in interceptions.
How will you remember Eli Manning?
I'll remember him as coming up big in many, very big moments.
When he's good he's great, but he's spottily good.
And, you know, when Eli gets on a good run....
I will remember Eli as a very good QB who had some great performances in some of the Giants biggest games. He threw way too many interceptions along the way but never for a lack of effort.
he is a decent QB with a couple of magical SB wins
he is on the edge of Hall Of Fame
needs to step up the next few years and have really good seasons stat wise
or
SB win 3
and he goes in hall
career now ended
Starr, Bradshaw, Montana, and Brady. All Hall of Fame QBs except Brady (and think we can say Brady will make the cut).
Also the active leader for most consecutive starts All-Time in NFL History
Some others to add:
-Most 4th Quarter TD Passes in a season (15 in 2011)
-Most Game Winning Drives in a season (Tied: 8 -n 2011)
-Most Road Wins in a single season and postseason (11 in 2011)
-Most Road Playoff wins (5)
-Most consecutive completions to begin a Super Bowl (Super Bowl XLVI with 9)
-Most passing yards in a single postseason (1,219 years - 2011)
-Most completions in a single pstseason (106 in 2011)
-1 of 6 QBs in NFL History with 200+ Passing TD's & 2+ Super Bowls joining the 200 & 2 club with Brady, Elway, Montana, Bradshaw, & Rothlisberger
... but any Giant fan, anyone inside the Giants bubble, that doesn't look back at his career, no matter how it ends here, with fondness and appreciation is an undeserving asshole, because he was such a key factor in two of the best, most enjoyable title runs any team has had, ever, in any sport. And, while he may not be great league-wide or historically, he's certainly the best QB the Giants have ever had, when you combine longevity with accomplishment. The comebacks, the great wins or plays that so few other QBs would/could make, should more than outshine the inconsistency and collapses in "our" memories when the time for it kicks in.
-Most Game Winning Drives in a season (Tied: 8 -n 2011)
Perversely, if Eli becomes a consistent 4,500 yards, 30 TD, 15 INT QB over the next five years, he'll be remembered better by the average fan even if he doesn't win another SB.
If you are not a Giant fan, he had one elite year in 10....
I believe there are more non Giant fans than Giant fans, so that is the rub....
He got pummelled that game and kept getting up off the turf
And let's not act as if his career is over...
haha awesome!
The BEST superbowl runs EVER!
Even during the game,
The last time I didn't think he could pull out one of the fire was Dallas a few years ago ... when I went to bed feeling oh well good try only to wake up and find he even pulled that game out of the fire ...
Eli could really use a league MVP, another SB ring, or at least 3 more years of high numbers (low interceptions) to be a lock. I'm hoping he does all three.
Yes of course I will forever remembe the two Super Bowl runs. I was at the stadium for one of them. No need to remind me of that.
I agree with the earlier poster who said he will remember Eli's maddening inconsistency and great clutchness. Numerous un-clutch QBs did enter the hall of fame, but few (extremely) inconsistent QBs did.
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I can't think of the last time when I didn't think Eli could win for us the upcoming week ... I've looked forward to having the QB being able to win for a long long time ...
Did you watch any games the last year and a half?
And let's not act as if his career is over...
Terps, I was thinking of how to put his career and you just summed it perfectly. Nice post.
Dan Marino, made the postseason once between 1986 and 1991 (1990). There may be others, not sure.
how about Dec 15, 2013 versus Seattle 23-0?
I think everyone focuses way too much on stats. Football in particular is a sport where individual statistics mean the least. Who gives a rat's ass about Eli's completion percentage and especially QB rating, which in my opinion is a BS stat anyway. This is the fantasy football influence on the game. Where stats are all important and the true measure of performance.
It also is somewhat useless to always point only to Eli's two rings and end the discussion there. What role did Eli play in those historic runs? There is no objective NFL fan who could argue that Eli did not play a very prominent role in those titles, and anyone who calls those runs luck, is probably not even worth talking to.
Eli's resume includes multiple moments that would be the paramount accomplishment of the careers of any of his contemporaries. Manning owns two game winning final drives in a championship game. He is also the only QB to ever deliver the goods when only a TD would suffice, and he did that against the "greatest team of all time" in '07.
I feel very lucky to have been able to watch Eli's career and I am certain that there are many more great moments to come and when it comes to being a bonafide franchise QB, Eli plays second fiddle to no one.
I believe when it's all said and done barring serious injury. Eli will be top 10 in TDs, career passing yards, game winning drives, and 4th Q come backs.
Factor in 2 SB wins for the ages, and last name Manning, first family of football, and I think he more than easily gets into the HOF. Add the 3rd longest active streak to the mix too.
The man who helped deliver two titles for my favorite team in sports.
Phil Simms has 95 career wins and 199 td passes
he should be in the HOF
With an average season (3,000 yards) for him this year he will pass the following:
18) Jim Kelly - 35,467
17) Donovan McNabb - 37,276
16) Boomer Esiason - 37,920
15) Dave Krieg - 38,147
With another average season (3,000 yards) in 2015 he should eclipse the following:
14) Johnny Unitas - 40,329
13) Joe Montana - 40,551
12) Kerry Collins - 40,922
One more average season (3,000 yards) in 2016 should vault him ahead of the following:
11) Dan Fouts - 43,040
10) Drew Bledsoe - 44,611
Of course, if Eli puts up a few 4,000 yard seasons he will approach the Top 10 of all time even faster. I can definitely see him catching the following:
9) Vinny Testaverde - 46,233
8) Fran Tarkenton - 47,003
6) Warren Moon - 49,325
Anyhow, Eli should be in the Top 10 in Passing Yardage and Passing TDs when he retires....and guess what? That all adds up to a ticket punched to Canton, OH!!
2014 is going to be a huge year for his legacy.
Those people are really stupid then, given that any player has a right to refuse to play for the team that drafts them so long as they're willing to sit out a season and try their luck again the next draft (which, it was floated, Eli was, if SD hadn't traded his rights).
I'll admit that I'm surprised he's reached these depths again after 2011. I thought the days of leading the league in INTs were behind us. Hopefully there's one more chapter to write.
2014 is going to be a huge year for his legacy.
This
You mean like John Elway?
Yeah, I didn't think so.
10 years and one screw for Eli. I think we will have him beyond a 15 year career barring anything more than that. I see another SB win and a trip to Canton.
It will be said of the next guy, like Parcells said of Simms,"He's good, but he's no Eli Manning."
That said, it's way too early to assess Eli's career. If he finishes like Elway or Strahan, as the steady veteran leader of a championship team that he no longer has to carry, he'll be remembered as one of the best ever. If he finishes like Phil, as a cap casualty and damaged goods, he'll be remembered as Phil is: a very good QB on some very good teams, who could raise his game to transcendent levels on occasion. There's a long way to go, though. At Eli's age, Simms was playing his best ball, in an era when QBs took a lot more physical abuse.
Did more than one gray cell fire as you were penning this line? You're not talking about solar system orbits here, you are talking about a QB's play, and that statement means nothing, and doesn't "explain" anything.
Reese and co are doing their best (whatever anyone thinks of that) to set up Eli and TC for at least one more title run IMO, and Eli will be judged by all of us if indeed he can deliver a 3rd Lombardi trophy.
I'm praying Eli can do both, that would be truly extraordinary!
I'm praying Eli can do both, it would be truly remarkable.
Because that will trump every other career or single season stat he puts up, aside from (just maybe) setting an all time NFL record for consecutive career starts - which IMO has it's own special place in football history given how G-d awful difficult that is playing this game.
Eli can be a top five qb this year.The only thing he lacks at this point is mobility in the mold of Aaron Rodgers type other than that he can still make every throwand has more guts than any QB out there.
I would love for Eli to have and MVP season crowned with a Superbowl MVP win.
- 50,000+ yards
- 305+ TD's
- 58.5% completion rate
- fewer INT's than future HOF Brett Favre ;)
- 2 SB MVP's or more
If you look at the Pro Football HOF QB's, these numbers are right in-line with most of them, and better than those on run-centric teams like Aikmen, Bradshaw, and some others. Of course, one could argue that almost every QB should be in the HOF automatically if they let Joe Namath in, but that's another story.