Kimberly Jones & #8207;@KimJonesSports 1m
NYG LB Jon Beason has sesamoid fracture in right foot. Surgery required. Expected 12 week recovery, according to someone aware of diagnosis.
with all of the lateral movement and burst with his size frame...he'll be lucky to be back by week 4. If he comes back early, he'll be VERY lucky not to reinjure himself.
Kimberly Jones @KimJonesSports 17s
NYG amazed Eli Manning returned so quickly after Dr. Robert Anderson performed surgery. Different injury but they hope for same from Beason.
think they will PUP him. As someone said, he can't even practice, so he won't be in any type of condition to start playing week two or three. Not after missing all of camp. The extra four weeks will also given his foot additional time to heal. He can then come back midseason.
the real question is whether he'll be on it in the regular season - if the 12 week timeline is accurate he will not be, as that would require missing the first 6 weeks of the season. As such, even if he'll miss week 1 or 2, he'll be activated off of the PUP list prior to week 1 if his recovery is proceeding on schedule.
Connor Hughes @Connor_J_Hughes 42s
It's a positive Beason played in defense last year and no significant changes. Mind won't be behind, just body. #Giants #NYG
Camp has begun, which means it's time for this post again. First off, there are two variants of the PUP list - active PUP and reserve PUP. Active PUP is the list that guys who can't go at the start of camp get placed on and can be activated off at any time during camp. Reserve PUP is the list that if you started on the active PUP and by the time week 1 rolls around still aren't ready to hit the roster you go on - this has the minimum out the first 6 weeks rule.
Now, here is the one huge catch - if you practice (*Training camp here, not OTAs), at all, even 1 snap on one day, YOU CANNOT GO ON THE PUP (either variant). Even if on that one play you tear out a meniscus and need to miss 6-8 weeks - one snap = NO PUP.
For those who go on the active PUP (read: Beckum), by the end of the preseason if they are still on it there are 4 options: activate to 53 man roster, place on IR (out for year), release, or go to reserve PUP. The reserve PUP rules are as follows:
- Weeks 1-6: OUT. Not allowed to practice.
- After week 6 a three week window opens for the player to return to practice but still not be on the 53 man roster. This window can be activated anywhere between weeks 7 and 9. If by the end of this window the player is not ready to return to practice, your choices are IR or release.
- Once the player returns to practice, a second three week window opens during which time the player can practice but still not be on the 53 man roster. At the end of this window the player must be activated to the 53 man roster, placed on IR or released.
- By strategically using the rules, a player placed on the reserve PUP could return to the 53 man roster as soon as week 7 or as late as week 13. You do not need to use the full time of the two windows if the player is ready to return, but if extra time is needed you can wait the full 3 weeks to return to practice and have 3 more weeks from there as a non-roster practice player before returning to the 53 man roster and being eligible to play in games.
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LB Jon Beason suffered a ligament tear and a small fracture to the sesamoid in his right foot. Read more: http://bit.ly/1lt2zpx
the ligament tear is probably why he needs surgery
Where I thank Jerry Reese for using a lot of team resources on the linebacker unit.I knew all those 5th round picks and unrestricted free agents would pay dividends.
The prognosis is X amount of time and it (the Sept. 8 opener) is within that timeframe, Beason said today. I expect to be back (for that game.)"
We havent decided if its something thats invasive or something that you just kind of let heal on its own. The timeframe is about the same, but its not season-ending, so Im happy about that.
The treatment options will be determined after Dr. Anderson examines Beason and consults with Dr. OMalley. Anderson is the team orthopedist of the Carolina Panthers, for whom Beason played from 2007 until his trade to the Giants last Oct. 4. Anderson operated on Beasons torn Achilles tendon in 2011.
He knows my body, Beason said. I think the world of him. I was impartial to doing it here with Dr. OMalley, but I think they wanted to make me feel comfortable to go down there and get a second opinion. He wants to do some more tests to determine what he thinks is best and then those two will sit down and figure out the best plan for me.
is very little good news here. They are not even sure when he will return. They haven't made a full evaluation yet and haven't decided on the best way to treat this.
is very little good news here. They are not even sure when he will return. They haven't made a full evaluation yet and haven't decided on the best way to treat this.
Eric - that's the glass half full approach. Practically speaking, there were a lot of different ways that Beason could've been done for the year, so even though it looks like he might end up missing half of it, we're still far from the worst case scenario.
I had that in my youth and didn't even have a cast ... It was kept wrapped in an ace bandage ... I couldn't wear a shoe so we just cut the front off a sneaker ... and I hobbled around for a month or so ...
Mine may have been minor ... and then surgery wasn't even an option ... we're talking 55 years or more ago ...
a definite time table yet or a definite decision on surgery is because Beason wants to see his doctor in NC and see what he decides becaue he trusts him and did the surgery on his knee and achilles...
He is not going to miss half a season..my prediction 2 to 3 games at the most..
It's a bump in the road but it could've been worse
is very little good news here. They are not even sure when he will return. They haven't made a full evaluation yet and haven't decided on the best way to treat this.
the bone, as the bone will heal. Tears are much trickier and that's why he'll also need surgery. IMO, he'll be out much longer then the estimated 12 weeks. If we see him by the 2nd quarter of the season, we could consider ourselves lucky.
Do the Giants try to sign another vet LB? Is Conner still out there? I know he is also an injury waiting to happen, but he knows the D now too.
but, fortunately they brought in McClain and it means Kennard will get more reps. Hopefully, Giants can prove capable of drafting a starter quality linebacker.
if the question is watch and wait vs surgery, given the time table, I'd hope they opt for having the procedure done ASAP to get him back early in the season.
but, fortunately they brought in McClain and it means Kennard will get more reps. Hopefully, Giants can prove capable of drafting a starter quality linebacker.
Hope Kennard also proves to be a quality LB. It would be a pleasant and much needed surprise.
RE: RE: Use some of that cap space and bring Vilma in..
at least you would have a player who could man the middle for half a season or so.
Beason is not going to miss half the season...
I'm willing to bet he does. PuP is almost certain, and then after the 6 weeks they have another what, 3 week window to activate him? wuth no camp, I'm willing to bet he doesn't see any action till after the bye.
at least you would have a player who could man the middle for half a season or so.
Beason is not going to miss half the season...
I'm willing to bet he does. PuP is almost certain, and then after the 6 weeks they have another what, 3 week window to activate him? wuth no camp, I'm willing to bet he doesn't see any action till after the bye.
if he recovers in line with the 12 week time table he'll be activated off PUP prior to the end of camp.
we'll see. Remember what I said, though.It wouldn't suprise me a bit if he doesn't play till week 12, and then is only active on the roster but sees little playing time.he's not a young guy, has an injury history, and after the 3 months, will then have to get into game shape.I think they handle him the same way they handled Kuhn last year, and he was basically ready to go , had they really wanted, during camp.I see them making other plans and hoping he rounds into shape if they make the playoffs. Otherwise I don't think he does much this year. Just my take on it.hope I'm wrong.
all the various amateur diagnosis' that were listed on yesterday's thread, and sesamoid wasn't one of them. BBI lets me down again.
amateur that I am, I'll put in my prognosis: he's out for all of camp. he's hobbled (if active) the first half the season. he's hobbled a little less the second half the season. Next year, we'll see what shakes out.
I'm just making the point that if the 12 week recovery timetable is accurate, there's a case to be made for activation off the PUP prior to the start of the regular season - him missing the first 6 weeks is not as of yet a foregone conclusion.
People look at 12 weeks and say "not bad" be back week 1 or 2
Forgetting the fact that he will not be able to do anything over those 12 weeks and will be out of football shape all together. Hopefully he is not rushed back.
Played tennis on it next day and at times when I stepped hard it felt like lightning going off in my head! Never had surgery. Kept off it for at least 2 months. Worked out in swimming pool. I'm O.K. now but on occasion will feel pain in the area but does not affect my tennis movement. Surgery will probably strengthen area and shorten time to recoup but IMO he will be out at least 2 months.
of it, and everyone said they'll be fine. I had hoped that after last year we wouldn't see any more of this nonsense about how vets don't really need preseason and all, but I guess that's just how it goes.My years of watching football tell me a different story, that guys that miss camp and OTAs more often than not are behind the rest who don't.Otherwise, why have them? The ligament is going to take time.It always suprises me how guys who haven't had serious injuries think that people just heal and there are no lasting effects, that you just pick up where you left off. You listen to veteran players talk about how the cumulative effects of simply playing, let alone serious injuries,take them out of the game after what are relatively brief careers.Granted, I'm a pessimist by nature, I just think him playing and being effective at or near the beginning of the season is a pipe dream.
There really isn't good news in this, as some are insisting. Based on last year's defensive performance re-signing Beason was a necessity. Now, based on the rest of the off-season moves thus far, having him start 16 games was a bigger necessity. We have no viable fill-in, unless Herzlich suddenly improved leaps and bounds.
Angerer is recovering from microfracture surgery and isn't healthy. Might not be himself all season.
If Beason's recovery schedule is correct, I doubt we make any serious move to replace him. Maybe just add a LB body for camp.
against the Resse regime has been the lack of attention at LB over the years, especially in the draft. The notion that 4-3 LBs aren't that important is one of the worst statements one can make here. This team needs more talent at LB, there is no doubt about it. Very unfortunate here.
Angerer is recovering from microfracture surgery and isn't healthy. Might not be himself all season.
If Beason's recovery schedule is correct, I doubt we make any serious move to replace him. Maybe just add a LB body for camp.
Angerer says he's fully healthy, but yeah, I doubt he'll be back to his tackling machine form.
against the Resse regime has been the lack of attention at LB over the years, especially in the draft. The notion that 4-3 LBs aren't that important is one of the worst statements one can make here. This team needs more talent at LB, there is no doubt about it. Very unfortunate here.
that's why he was available, despite his obvious ability
The Giants made the decision not to resign Tuck because of his injury history and instead signed a guy who is even more injury prone. The grass is not always greener.
It could have been far far worse. An achilles injury would have been devastating. Beason has a broken bone and a ligament tear in his foot. Looking at coming back sometime in September. I'll take it over season ending any day of the week.
Beason was also probably the one person on defense who didn't need the reps in camp given his ability and experience. Not saying he isn't going to be rusty when he comes back, but he is a good veteran player who will come back fine. Just my opinion, but at some point these veteran players just don't need the camp reps as much, they just need to stay/get into game shape.
Underscoring all of this is, and something I think we forget is just how bad our linebacker play was last year until Beason showed up. I think Beason is a very good player, but in 2013 we honestly had nowhere to go but up at MLB last year. 2014 is not 2013, the cupboard is not nearly as bare. In 2013, the Giants options (prior to the Beason trade) were Dan Connor who was strictly a 2 down player, and Herzlich. Beason and McClain are head and shoulders above these guys.
I love the Herzlich story, but he will never be a preferred option as a starting MLB. Nice special teams player, but if he is our starting MLB we are in trouble. I really hope he proves me wrong. With that in mind, McClain is a significant upgrade at MLB from Herzlich and while his last few years in Baltimore were nothing to get excited about he did battle injuries last year, has a lot to prove, is high energy, and decisive on the field. He, Beason, and Rolle are really going to be the leaders out there. Do the Giants take a hit by losing Beason until probably mid-September, sure, but McClain adequately fills the hole especially on a temporary basis.
Hard to call it all good news, but be patient, it will get better, and maybe Kennard gets some good reps out of this and we perhaps got a steal there.
Look, the reason surgery hasn't been done is because Beason is consulting with Dr. Anderson down here. They are evaluating the options.
12 weeks is the timetable right now, and I'm sure the decision to have surgery will be made in the next couple of days.
Acting like anyone here knows the real situation and what the real timeline is just reeks. We don't know, so stop acting as if he's going to be running full speed at 12 weeks and 1 day or that he's going to be shelved for the season and have to retire.
Heck, even Eric is taking the delay in surgery to mean something nefarious is afoot.
but even he can't stay on the field. Would he even get through camp?! Not too many other options out there. Looks like McClain or Paysinger with Herz getting a shot, as well. I don't think Kennard is anything more then a back up right now.
I think best case for Beason is game 4. If 12 week timetable is correct. I think Prince and Nicks both had same injury. He'll be back and chomping at the bit to get in.
Looking at the silverlining, this will help build our depth at a critical position. Kennard will get plenty of snaps now too.
Look, the reason surgery hasn't been done is because Beason is consulting with Dr. Anderson down here. They are evaluating the options.
12 weeks is the timetable right now, and I'm sure the decision to have surgery will be made in the next couple of days.
Acting like anyone here knows the real situation and what the real timeline is just reeks. We don't know, so stop acting as if he's going to be running full speed at 12 weeks and 1 day or that he's going to be shelved for the season and have to retire.
Heck, even Eric is taking the delay in surgery to mean something nefarious is afoot.
I haven't seen anyone in this thread claim to know anything, one way or the other. I don't. I have no problem with guys speculating he will be ready to play in 3 months. I really don't, I myself don't think he will, and others don't, but it's all just opinion. Noone here represented themselves as if they had some inside info or were speaking with some authority.
If people speculating and offering their opinions on a forum that does just that, in the offseason, where the guy considered the lynchpin of their defense goes out for months, gives you a problem, it makes me wonder why you read if it upsets you that much. I mean in no way to be disrespectful, but seriously, you taking extreme umbrage is more inappropriate that people offering their opinions and best guesses. I don't think anyone here represented what they posted as anything more than that.
i just hope jon is OK, waiting for 3 years 2 get in the kinda shape he was in. he got out clean and really busted his tail to put some demons to rest. just as big a hurdle as the injury is the depression of losing that tremendous condition
back to clunking his way thru a football season knowing hes better than that
12 weeks from today is Sept. 5. Giants open season in 12 weeks and three days on Sept. 8.
Probably miss week 1 and possibly week 2 depending on how he heals..
FTS
3 month recovery means 3 days before game 1...he probably misses game 1 and possibly game 2 at the most...
NYG amazed Eli Manning returned so quickly after Dr. Robert Anderson performed surgery. Different injury but they hope for same from Beason.
it seems every year the very first practice of Giants season - a player goes down from no contact with serious injury
Hopefully this means he will be strong and fresh a couple weeks into the season and get to see Jon Beaston elevate the defense again!
Go Giants, and I wish you a speedy recovery Mr. Beason
it seems every year the very first practice of Giants season - a player goes down from no contact with serious injury
Seriously? sean lee says hi, sean witherspoon of the falcons says hi,
Could be a lot worse...
Since I believe you were a foot doc, can you please explain why this kinda break is deserving of good news or did I miss some sarcasm?
it seems every year the very first practice of Giants season - a player goes down from no contact with serious injury
Go ask Sean Weatherspoon, he was running alongside the trainers when he ruptured his achilles.
Beason is not going to miss half the season...
For some reason I dont remember it this bad in the 80s when i started as a fan.
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at least you would have a player who could man the middle for half a season or so.
Beason is not going to miss half the season...
Well we don't really KNOW that, now do we?
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Agreed. We should just break the rest of his bones now so we've got him in better shape in 12 weeks.
Can't say I'm shocked that Beason is injured. He basically missed his final 2 years with the Panthers, which is a big reason why they traded him.
I hope he comes back soon, but I still think he's insanely overrated
It's a positive Beason played in defense last year and no significant changes. Mind won't be behind, just body. #Giants #NYG
This sucks
Paysinger and Williams OLB
The Giants specifically said it was the bottom of foot. Didn't they? That would rule both of those out, no?
He can miss 2 weeks. Reality is they are lucky
Now, here is the one huge catch - if you practice (*Training camp here, not OTAs), at all, even 1 snap on one day, YOU CANNOT GO ON THE PUP (either variant). Even if on that one play you tear out a meniscus and need to miss 6-8 weeks - one snap = NO PUP.
For those who go on the active PUP (read: Beckum), by the end of the preseason if they are still on it there are 4 options: activate to 53 man roster, place on IR (out for year), release, or go to reserve PUP. The reserve PUP rules are as follows:
- Weeks 1-6: OUT. Not allowed to practice.
- After week 6 a three week window opens for the player to return to practice but still not be on the 53 man roster. This window can be activated anywhere between weeks 7 and 9. If by the end of this window the player is not ready to return to practice, your choices are IR or release.
- Once the player returns to practice, a second three week window opens during which time the player can practice but still not be on the 53 man roster. At the end of this window the player must be activated to the 53 man roster, placed on IR or released.
- By strategically using the rules, a player placed on the reserve PUP could return to the 53 man roster as soon as week 7 or as late as week 13. You do not need to use the full time of the two windows if the player is ready to return, but if extra time is needed you can wait the full 3 weeks to return to practice and have 3 more weeks from there as a non-roster practice player before returning to the 53 man roster and being eligible to play in games.
LB Jon Beason suffered a ligament tear and a small fracture to the sesamoid in his right foot. Read more: http://bit.ly/1lt2zpx
the ligament tear is probably why he needs surgery
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seriously does this happen to any other teams?
it seems every year the very first practice of Giants season - a player goes down from no contact with serious injury
Seriously? sean lee says hi, sean witherspoon of the falcons says hi,
Could be a lot worse...
Give it time son.
And it's not Sean Lee.
Sign a vet; NM^; good thing that UDFA is learning quickly.
In any case:
Get well quickly, Jon!
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Beason - get well soon.
Jon Beason says "I expect to be back" for the Opener, but "If not, Ill be back as soon as I can."
This could have been way worse......
We havent decided if its something thats invasive or something that you just kind of let heal on its own. The timeframe is about the same, but its not season-ending, so Im happy about that.
The treatment options will be determined after Dr. Anderson examines Beason and consults with Dr. OMalley. Anderson is the team orthopedist of the Carolina Panthers, for whom Beason played from 2007 until his trade to the Giants last Oct. 4. Anderson operated on Beasons torn Achilles tendon in 2011.
He knows my body, Beason said. I think the world of him. I was impartial to doing it here with Dr. OMalley, but I think they wanted to make me feel comfortable to go down there and get a second opinion. He wants to do some more tests to determine what he thinks is best and then those two will sit down and figure out the best plan for me.
And, he could be a quick healer, so all in all it's not that bad, plus you give a younger player more reps hopefully in training camp.
Beason strikes me as a guy who, if healthy, steps right in and makes an impact..............
Eric - that's the glass half full approach. Practically speaking, there were a lot of different ways that Beason could've been done for the year, so even though it looks like he might end up missing half of it, we're still far from the worst case scenario.
I had that in my youth and didn't even have a cast ... It was kept wrapped in an ace bandage ... I couldn't wear a shoe so we just cut the front off a sneaker ... and I hobbled around for a month or so ...
Mine may have been minor ... and then surgery wasn't even an option ... we're talking 55 years or more ago ...
He is not going to miss half a season..my prediction 2 to 3 games at the most..
That has to change...................
It's not season ending. That's the good news.
That has to change...................
Jameel McClain plays MLB.
Do the Giants try to sign another vet LB? Is Conner still out there? I know he is also an injury waiting to happen, but he knows the D now too.
Likely? Probably not. But it's happened before with the Giants.
Hope Kennard also proves to be a quality LB. It would be a pleasant and much needed surprise.
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at least you would have a player who could man the middle for half a season or so.
Beason is not going to miss half the season...
3 month recovery means 3 days before game 1...he probably misses game 1 and possibly game 2 at the most...
For everyone thinking the 6 weeks means Sept. 5, I'm pretty sure the 6 weeks is from the surgery, and he ain't had that yet.
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at least you would have a player who could man the middle for half a season or so.
Beason is not going to miss half the season...
I'm willing to bet he does. PuP is almost certain, and then after the 6 weeks they have another what, 3 week window to activate him? wuth no camp, I'm willing to bet he doesn't see any action till after the bye.
Got a hold of his charts, doc?
Are we really surprised by this given Beason's extensive injury history? The guy has been made of glass.
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that means he is out the first 6 weeks...
3 month recovery means 3 days before game 1...he probably misses game 1 and possibly game 2 at the most...
For everyone thinking the 6 weeks means Sept. 5, I'm pretty sure the 6 weeks is from the surgery, and he ain't had that yet.
Sorry, meant 12 weeks
If he has any more good news I will pass it on...
He missed two seasons because of it. And played 13 games last year.
amateur that I am, I'll put in my prognosis: he's out for all of camp. he's hobbled (if active) the first half the season. he's hobbled a little less the second half the season. Next year, we'll see what shakes out.
If he's healthy, that is
Erin Henderson
Jon Vilma
Pat Angerer
Tim Dobbins
Desmond Bishop
Nick Barnett
Stewart Bradley
Beason will be running well enough to take back the job full-time by October...
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Pat Angerer would be more suitable for us
If he's healthy, that is
Angerer is recovering from microfracture surgery and isn't healthy. Might not be himself all season.
If Beason's recovery schedule is correct, I doubt we make any serious move to replace him. Maybe just add a LB body for camp.
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Pat Angerer would be more suitable for us
If he's healthy, that is
Angerer is recovering from microfracture surgery and isn't healthy. Might not be himself all season.
If Beason's recovery schedule is correct, I doubt we make any serious move to replace him. Maybe just add a LB body for camp.
Angerer says he's fully healthy, but yeah, I doubt he'll be back to his tackling machine form.
Denzel Perryman next year!!!!!
The Giants made the decision not to resign Tuck because of his injury history and instead signed a guy who is even more injury prone. The grass is not always greener.
Beason was also probably the one person on defense who didn't need the reps in camp given his ability and experience. Not saying he isn't going to be rusty when he comes back, but he is a good veteran player who will come back fine. Just my opinion, but at some point these veteran players just don't need the camp reps as much, they just need to stay/get into game shape.
Underscoring all of this is, and something I think we forget is just how bad our linebacker play was last year until Beason showed up. I think Beason is a very good player, but in 2013 we honestly had nowhere to go but up at MLB last year. 2014 is not 2013, the cupboard is not nearly as bare. In 2013, the Giants options (prior to the Beason trade) were Dan Connor who was strictly a 2 down player, and Herzlich. Beason and McClain are head and shoulders above these guys.
I love the Herzlich story, but he will never be a preferred option as a starting MLB. Nice special teams player, but if he is our starting MLB we are in trouble. I really hope he proves me wrong. With that in mind, McClain is a significant upgrade at MLB from Herzlich and while his last few years in Baltimore were nothing to get excited about he did battle injuries last year, has a lot to prove, is high energy, and decisive on the field. He, Beason, and Rolle are really going to be the leaders out there. Do the Giants take a hit by losing Beason until probably mid-September, sure, but McClain adequately fills the hole especially on a temporary basis.
Hard to call it all good news, but be patient, it will get better, and maybe Kennard gets some good reps out of this and we perhaps got a steal there.
Will he even play this season?
Look, the reason surgery hasn't been done is because Beason is consulting with Dr. Anderson down here. They are evaluating the options.
12 weeks is the timetable right now, and I'm sure the decision to have surgery will be made in the next couple of days.
Acting like anyone here knows the real situation and what the real timeline is just reeks. We don't know, so stop acting as if he's going to be running full speed at 12 weeks and 1 day or that he's going to be shelved for the season and have to retire.
Heck, even Eric is taking the delay in surgery to mean something nefarious is afoot.
Teams in 1st half.. we are
Going to be in 5 to 6 db
Set's. .we have enough
Lbers
I think best case for Beason is game 4. If 12 week timetable is correct. I think Prince and Nicks both had same injury. He'll be back and chomping at the bit to get in.
Looking at the silverlining, this will help build our depth at a critical position. Kennard will get plenty of snaps now too.
Nefarious is afoot.
So literary, such a ripe pun!
It's quite possible he could miss half the season....
Look, the reason surgery hasn't been done is because Beason is consulting with Dr. Anderson down here. They are evaluating the options.
12 weeks is the timetable right now, and I'm sure the decision to have surgery will be made in the next couple of days.
Acting like anyone here knows the real situation and what the real timeline is just reeks. We don't know, so stop acting as if he's going to be running full speed at 12 weeks and 1 day or that he's going to be shelved for the season and have to retire.
Heck, even Eric is taking the delay in surgery to mean something nefarious is afoot.
If people speculating and offering their opinions on a forum that does just that, in the offseason, where the guy considered the lynchpin of their defense goes out for months, gives you a problem, it makes me wonder why you read if it upsets you that much. I mean in no way to be disrespectful, but seriously, you taking extreme umbrage is more inappropriate that people offering their opinions and best guesses. I don't think anyone here represented what they posted as anything more than that.
back to clunking his way thru a football season knowing hes better than that