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| ARTICLE 45 INJURY PROTECTION Section 1. Qualification: A player qualifying under the following criteria will receive an Injury Protection benefit in accordance with Section 2 below: (a) The player must have been physically unable, because of a severe football injury in an NFL game or practice, to participate in all or part of his Club’s last game of the season of injury, as certified by the Club physician following a physical examination after the last game; or the player must have undergone Club-authorized surgery in the off-season following the season of injury; and (b) The player must have undergone whatever reasonable and customary rehabilitation treatment his Club required of him during the off-season following the season of injury; and (c) The player must have failed the preseason physical examination given by the Club physician for the season following the season of injury because of such injury and as a result his Club must have terminated his contract for the season following the season of injury. This preseason physical may be given by the Club physician prior to the beginning of preseason camp, so long as such fact is clearly communicated in writing to the player at the time of the physical exam. The preseason physical examination given for qualification need not be the entire Standard Minimum Preseason Physical Examination, but shall be that necessary and appropriate to evaluate the injury for which the benefit is sought. Section 2. Benefit: A player qualifying under Section 1 above will receive an amount equal to 50% of his Paragraph 5 Salary for the season following the season of injury, up to a maximum payment of: $1,000,000, in the 2011–12 League Years; $1,050,000, in the 2013–14 League Years; $1,100,000, in the 2015–16 League Years; $1,150,000, in the 2017–18 League Years; and $1,200,000, in the 2019–2020 League Years; in each case unless he has individually negotiated more injury protection or a larger guaranteed salary in his contract. The benefit will be paid to the player in equal weekly installments commencing no later than the date of the first regular season game, which benefit payments will cease if the player signs a contract for that season with another Club. |
From ESPN, three days ago:
Take off the blue-colored glasses, Doc.
He is missing OTA practices because he simply can't go everyday.
Do you really think one month will make that big a difference? The guy can't go full-out on June 12. Do you really think he'll be 100% by July 21? Milton makes a valid point in his OP. The Giants should be looking to move on from Snee, a great player in his time, but whose time has pretty much passed.
You're being obtuse by not comprehnding THAT
That conjecture is spot on, but Snee(if healthy) technically not needing anything more than camp and games, is not?
I am ONLY addressing Snee for the purposes of THIS thread..Just because Snee would have gotten "all the reps" under TC doesn't mean all that much to me..TC played ALL his starters for game 16 in 2007(which I agreed with, btw) while MANY other coached would not have..So as much as I love TC, not all coaches operate the way he does, so people throwing in his quotes about OTAs, etc., doesn't say all that much to me
That's assuming he's healthy enough for a full compliment of camp work, which is a pretty big assumption at this point.
Of course it doesn't. It doesn't fit your narrative about OTAs.
That has zero bearing on Snee's situation in the Spring of 2014, but thanks for the memories.
Again, it doesn't fit your narrative so you just choose to ignore it.
lol
If I wasn't clear on that, well, that's on me..I thought I was being quite clear..
Im not sure if Milton is right. He could be. We'll find out. But clearly Snee is receiving extra special treatment because of his relationship with TC. When has any other injured player gotten so much extra money thrown at him?
Im not sure if Milton is right. He could be. We'll find out. But clearly Snee is receiving extra special treatment because of his relationship with TC. When has any other injured player gotten so much extra money thrown at him?
The money Snee gets really shouldn't be the concern. It's not stopping them from signing anyone and, for once, it's not going to lead to them having to restructure anyone in a way that will bite them later.
The problem is that their "big" OL signing's best position is RG and he's been forced off of it, put at LG, in order for the team to continue to pretend Snee, with his two bad hips and bad elbow, isn't forked. Even their back-up plan to Snee is pretty terrible (as Jerry is the trifecta of injured himself, an asshole, and poor on the field).
If I wasn't clear on that, well, that's on me..I thought I was being quite clear..
No problem BB. I think we all need to realize when a Giant player says he is a 100%, he never says it with the pads on...
Have substance behind your accusations
If he can't go then he'll figure that out at some point during training camp. Like his roster spot is really important to free up? Get real.
If he can't go then he'll figure that out at some point during training camp. Like his roster spot is really important to free up? Get real.
I'm not making any predictions, I'm just putting it out there that this is where it could be heading. When the off-season training program began, Snee was saying how great he felt and looking forward to a rebound from last year. It all sounded quite hopeful. Now he's saying he has his good days and his bad days and he'll see how he feels come training camp. The narrative has changed since March from optimism to pragmatism and I'm just following the latest trajectory to its natural conclusion. But trajectories can change.
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healthy, he'll get a shot to show it on the field. I wouldn't bet against it..
You wouldn't bet against him being truly healthy? The man is missing OTA's because he has "good days and bad days" during non-contact practices. What are the chances that full contact is going to increase his good days to bad days ratio?
Of course the thing that may lead to improvement is not more contact., It is more recovery time post surgery. I suspect even his doctors don't know how that will go over then next month or two, never mind us fans.
Snee wants to play football and he deserves every chance to give it one last shot.
Maybe the Giants have made the wrong decision about keeping Snee at starter, and maybe not. It could be a 50-50 proposition and the Giants are hoping he can play.
However, IMHO, one thing is ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, the Giants are NOT sentimental. If the Giants believed that there was a better alternative to keeping Snee, then he would be gone the same as Ross, TT, Webster, Baas, Tuck, and Kris Adams, whoever the hell he is. The fact that you have recent acquisitions like John Jerry and Weston Richburg (who can play Guard, if Walton is playing Center) indicates that the Giant are quite aware that Snee is temporary, at best.
Snee wants to play football and he deserves every chance to give it one last shot.
I wonder if this is where things are heading and the Giants (including management, coaches, and Snee) are just going through the motions in order to be in compliance with the legalize....
Here you are bitching about the roster spot
p.s.-- I want to play football, too. But I don't think that's reason enough for the Giants to give me a roster spot for training camp.
You need to re-read the shit you are writing before replying to people - Dumb ass!
Snee has been a warrior for this team and deserves every chance to give it a shot.
And by doing so, the Giants aren't doing him any favors (as others seem to think I'm suggesting). It's a legal responsibility and it would be the same if they cut him today or if they had cut him in March. All that is required for him to fulfill the requirements is that he spend the off-season rehabbing an injury from the previous year and that he be unable to pass a team physical at the beginning of training camp, forcing him to retire. It doesn't have to be the Giants who fail him, it could be any team in the NFL, but this is the classier route. At least that's my understanding of how the protection clause works.
This may even have been a consideration when he accepted the paycut to a reduced salary which "coincidentally" matches the exact amount that would entitle him to the maximum injury benefit (50% of his $2M salary equals the $1M maximum). In this way, the paycut gave the Giants the cap room they desired in free agency without costing Snee any money if his rehab failed and he was forced to retire.
Or I could be completely wrong!!!
I'm just trying to connect the dots as we follow a saga that began with optimism in February and March, but has taken on a less hopeful tone after hearing him talk during the OTA's. As I see it, management is giving Snee every chance possible to prove he is healthy enough for one last rodeo. If not, he collects the $1M retirement benefit (he would be due anyway) and moves on with his life. As for my comment about not giving me a roster spot, I think you were reading too much into a joke. If there's a chance that Snee can return to health, he is well worth a spot on the 90 man training camp roster.
In any case, I apologize for losing my cool in my previous comment. I wasn't trying to make any definitive statement or prediction when I started this thread, I was just hypothesizing. About ten years ago, similar circumstances went down with a player on the Raiders (I forget who it was). Raiders fans and their beat writers were wondering why so-and-so was still on the roster and it turned out the Raiders were just keeping him around until he failed his training camp physical and qualified for his injury benefit payment upon announcing his retirement. Yes, the Raiders could have just cut him in the spring and he could've gone through the hoops of proving he was no longer healthy enough for the game, but this was considered the classier way to treat a longtime veteran of the team.
p.s.-- And in the interest of full disclosure, I posted a similar thread last year about Snee. And last year there were even more tea leaves suggesting it because of the way he put off surgery until after the Pro Bowl and was still rehabbing when training camp rolled around.
he started falling apart in 2011.
i appreciate all the snaps he's given us since then but we haven't seen "chris snee" since 2010 just like we haven't seen tuck since then either
adding an element to this situation is that IF weston richburg is as advertised as a top 50 pick, he should be on the field over the snee we've seen the last 2 or 3 years. as noted above the ideal line would likely be schwartz at RG and richburg stepping in at LG. however CS is still being paid double the clockwork 1-year, $1m contract traditionally given to our vet 6th man and we'd be wasting time w/our current rotation
And, while BB'56 isn't totally off base that missing the OTA's isn't the end of the world, it is rather telling that Snee isn't even healthy enough to go through pretend pretend reps. (most of actual training camp is pretend reps, and OTAs are pretending to be pretend reps. positions that require some running are slightly different, but OL in OTA is basically get in your stance and envision what you would do if someone actually smacked into you. hell, all 150 LB, 5'2" of 54 YO me could survive being a left guard in OTA).
And he only qualifies for the $1M injury protection if he fails the pre-training camp physical. If he passes the physical and is later released, he gets nothing.