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Snee and the Injury Protection Clause

Milton : 6/14/2014 10:28 pm
If Snee fails his pre-training camp physical and retires, he will be entitled to $1.1M in injury protection benefit according to Article 45 of the CBA (because it was the result of an injury from last season). I wonder if this is where things are heading and the Giants (including management, coaches, and Snee) are just going through the motions in order to be in compliance with the legalize....

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ARTICLE 45 INJURY PROTECTION
Section 1.
Qualification:
A player qualifying under the following criteria will receive an Injury Protection benefit in accordance with Section 2 below:
(a) The player must have been physically unable, because of a severe football injury in an NFL game or practice, to participate in all or part of his Club’s last game of the season of injury, as certified by the Club physician following a physical examination after the last game; or the player must have undergone Club-authorized surgery in the off-season following the season of injury; and
(b) The player must have undergone whatever reasonable and customary rehabilitation treatment his Club required of him during the off-season following the season of injury; and
(c) The player must have failed the preseason physical examination given by the Club physician for the season following the season of injury because of such injury and as a result his Club must have terminated his contract for the season following the season of injury. This preseason physical may be given by the Club physician prior to the beginning of preseason camp, so long as such fact is clearly communicated in writing to the player at the time of the physical exam. The preseason physical examination given for qualification need not be the entire Standard Minimum Preseason Physical Examination, but shall be that necessary and appropriate to evaluate the injury for which the benefit is sought.

Section 2.
Benefit:
A player qualifying under Section 1 above will receive an amount equal to 50% of his Paragraph 5 Salary for the season following the season of injury, up to a maximum payment of: $1,000,000, in the 2011–12 League Years; $1,050,000, in the 2013–14 League Years; $1,100,000, in the 2015–16 League Years; $1,150,000, in the 2017–18 League Years; and $1,200,000, in the 2019–2020 League Years; in each case unless he has individually negotiated more injury protection or a larger guaranteed salary in his contract. The benefit will be paid to the player in equal weekly installments commencing no later than the date of the first regular season game, which benefit payments will cease if the player signs a contract for that season with another Club.
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Isn't Snee's 50% of salary less than the maximum benefit  
giantsfour : 6/15/2014 12:25 am : link
or am I not reading this clause correctly?
Snee's salary is $2M  
Milton : 6/15/2014 1:02 am : link
So, yeah, 50% of it is less than the $1.05M maximum he can receive....by $50K.
is this the guaranteed portion of his contract  
fkap : 6/15/2014 2:37 am : link
or is this on top of that? I wondered why the Giants would be so generous as to guarantee that much of his contract.
Really?  
ZogZerg : 6/15/2014 7:49 am : link
You guys kill me.
Snee wants to play football. Not everyone acts like you all would.
If Snee is finally and TRULY  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 8:31 am : link
healthy, he'll get a shot to show it on the field. I wouldn't bet against it..
he's in great shape  
area junc : 6/15/2014 9:03 am : link
compared to the last 2 years but if he was completely healthy he wouldnt b missing OTAs
RE: Really?  
Milton : 6/15/2014 10:27 am : link
In comment 11728571 ZogZerg said:
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You guys kill me.
Snee wants to play football. Not everyone acts like you all would.
What are you talking about? If he can't pass a physical, it doesn't matter what he wants.
p.s.-- I want to play football, too. But I don't think that's reason enough for the Giants to give me a roster spot for training camp.
RE: he's in great shape  
Milton : 6/15/2014 10:29 am : link
In comment 11728598 area junc said:
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compared to the last 2 years but if he was completely healthy he wouldnt b missing OTAs
Exact-a-fucking-lutely!
How important are OTAs for an experienced OL like Snee  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 10:32 am : link
if they're planning on giving him extensive work during camp? There's no rush at all for an 11 year Vet, imv...Doesn't have to mean anything negative
RE: If Snee is finally and TRULY  
Milton : 6/15/2014 10:33 am : link
In comment 11728583 Big Blue '56 said:
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healthy, he'll get a shot to show it on the field. I wouldn't bet against it..
You wouldn't bet against him being truly healthy? The man is missing OTA's because he has "good days and bad days" during non-contact practices. What are the chances that full contact is going to increase his good days to bad days ratio?
RE: How important are OTAs for an experienced OL like Snee  
Milton : 6/15/2014 10:36 am : link
In comment 11728662 Big Blue '56 said:
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if they're planning on giving him extensive work during camp? There's no rush at all for an 11 year Vet, imv...Doesn't have to mean anything negative
Yeah, well, according to you practices are meaningless and just something they go through to keep the fans interested during the off-season. It must be killing you that an 11-year vet like Eli is risking injury by being out there for every single practice despite recent surgery.
Way to exaggerate Milton..  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 10:42 am : link
Why would I care if Eli is out there? He wears a red jersey. They can't touch him..

And does that in ANY WAY address my point  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 10:47 am : link
about a Savvy 11 year vet OL not really needing anything more than a full training camp(with the extra pre-season game)?

Just because it doesn't fit your thesis, doesn't mean it isn't true..Do you really think an 11 year vet OL needs OTAs and minicamp? I mean really?
Doc, if Snee was healthy he'd be taking all of the 1st team reps.  
Klaatu : 6/15/2014 11:11 am : link
They're not limiting his reps because he's a savvy 11-year vet who doesn't need them...they're limiting his reps because his health is still a concern.
Is that what they said  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 11:14 am : link
or is this your opinion stated as fact?
BB'56  
Milton : 6/15/2014 11:16 am : link
And it's not just about Snee, it's about the new center (Walton) to his left, the youngster to his right, and the new offense. It's not like this is the Gilbride offense and he has O'Hara on his left and McKenzie on his right.
My opinion is that assuming he's healthy,  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 11:17 am : link
they're giving the newbies to the squad all the reps they can get..Does Snee really need them pre -camp?
RE: Is that what they said  
Klaatu : 6/15/2014 11:19 am : link
In comment 11728699 Big Blue '56 said:
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or is this your opinion stated as fact?


From ESPN, three days ago:
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Chris Snee was present and in uniform, but did not participate in team drills, with Mosley filling his spot at right guard. The same thing happened at last Thursday's OTA. The team is giving Snee some days off as he works his way back from offseason hip and elbow surgeries.


Take off the blue-colored glasses, Doc.
RE: My opinion is that assuming he's healthy,  
Milton : 6/15/2014 11:20 am : link
In comment 11728703 Big Blue '56 said:
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they're giving the newbies to the squad all the reps they can get..Does Snee really need them pre -camp?
Of course he does!!! Like I said, it's not just about him, it's about putting together the new OL and the new offense. Every rep is important.
And Milton, as I told Eric the other day,  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 11:20 am : link
I've softened up my stance somehat(re OTAs) because of the new OC...But I still maintain that all Snee would need to be ready for the season opener is training camp with full pads on..Plenty of time to get game-ready and acclimate to a new system, imv
Snee himself made the comment that he has  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2014 11:23 am : link
"good days and bad days" relative to his body functioning.

He is missing OTA practices because he simply can't go everyday.
RE: And Milton, as I told Eric the other day,  
Milton : 6/15/2014 11:23 am : link
In comment 11728708 Big Blue '56 said:
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I've softened up my stance somehat(re OTAs) because of the new OC...But I still maintain that all Snee would need to be ready for the season opener is training camp with full pads on..Plenty of time to get game-ready and acclimate to a new system, imv
You keep ignoring the importance of working with his new linemates in a new system.
K,  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 11:27 am : link
re your ESPN quote, EXACTLY! They're not going to rush this guy back until he's ready for meaningful snaps, even if technically he has been medically cleared for some work..He doesn't need this..Training camp is more than enough time to guage whether it was truly the injuries or he's in steep decline..Hard for me to believe an 11 year savvy vet needs OTAs to stand-up, move left or right or acclimate to new line calls..Other positions such as WR? Different case, imv..If he's gonna play this year, training camp is plenty imo
And if in fact he's still hurting,  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 11:31 am : link
they're naturally gonna hold him back..But if he's 100%, does anyone really believe that missing all but a full camp and pre-season games wouldn't be more than enough for a guy like Snee to adjust to everything thrown at him including new linemates?
but f he were to be 100% is how it should have read  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 11:32 am : link
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My apologies to those on this thread re Snee's present health.  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 11:37 am : link
I don't follow or care to follow OTAs(never have, never will) save for what new injuries are reported and I wasn't aware of his present status..But honestly, my point about Snee only needing a full camp and pre-season game sked stands..That's more than enough time for him to acclimate/adjust to anything were he to rwmain healthy, imv
Doc, I just can't believe you're this obtuse.  
Klaatu : 6/15/2014 11:38 am : link
Again, if Snee was good-to-go he'd be getting all of the reps with the 1st team. It has nothing to do with being a savvy 11-year vet who may or may not need them in OTAs, even with a new offense and new linemates. It has everything to do with his health, which is obviously still a major concern. How can you not see this?

Do you really think one month will make that big a difference? The guy can't go full-out on June 12. Do you really think he'll be 100% by July 21? Milton makes a valid point in his OP. The Giants should be looking to move on from Snee, a great player in his time, but whose time has pretty much passed.
Of course he'd get ALL the reps, because THAT'S COUGHLIN.  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 11:46 am : link
No surprise there..Still doesn't detract from my major point that he wouldn't/doesn't need anything other than what I stated above..Nothing about being obtuse. Very much about how a guy like Snee would be perfectly ready to start the season with just training camp and games under his belt..They proved that during the Noll, Walsh, Shula, Landry, Parcells, Gibbs eras..Camp and games were more than enough..

You're being obtuse by not comprehnding THAT
And K, the OP said in part.  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 11:50 am : link
[quote].... I wonder if this is where things are heading and the Giants (including management, coaches, and Snee) are just going through the motions in order to be in compliance with the legalize..[\quote]

That conjecture is spot on, but Snee(if healthy) technically not needing anything more than camp and games, is not?
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Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 11:51 am : link
[quote.. I wonder if this is where things are heading and the Giants (including management, coaches, and Snee) are just going through the motions in order to be in compliance with the legalize[/quote]
Yeah, because training camp in the 70's and 80's...  
Klaatu : 6/15/2014 11:53 am : link
Was exactly like it is now. Sheesh. Not only is that a ridiculous comparison, but it has absolutely no bearing on Snee's situation. You're reaching...big time.
K,  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 12:05 pm : link
not reaching at all..why would the eras be meaningless? They played 5-6 pre-season games and had a full camp..It was enough for them to play at a high level once they played for real..Why would today be any different? Each team then had about 5-10 assistant coaches compared to the 500 each team has today to have specialized attention..The electronics, conditioning, etc of today is far more advanced than it was then which has helped tremendously today's players...




And K, were you around  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 12:07 pm : link
training camps in the 70s-80s? I was..I went to many Giants training camps and they were brutal..
I will say this for the last time on this thread.  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 12:15 pm : link
A guy like Snee only needs camp and games to be ready for the start of the season..There is nothing anyone could throw at him that he couldn't easily absorb and acclimate to with a full complement of Camp work..

I am ONLY addressing Snee for the purposes of THIS thread..Just because Snee would have gotten "all the reps" under TC doesn't mean all that much to me..TC played ALL his starters for game 16 in 2007(which I agreed with, btw) while MANY other coached would not have..So as much as I love TC, not all coaches operate the way he does, so people throwing in his quotes about OTAs, etc., doesn't say all that much to me
RE: I will say this for the last time on this thread.  
Klaatu : 6/15/2014 12:27 pm : link
In comment 11728752 Big Blue '56 said:
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A guy like Snee only needs camp and games to be ready for the start of the season..There is nothing anyone could throw at him that he couldn't easily absorb and acclimate to with a full complement of Camp work..


That's assuming he's healthy enough for a full compliment of camp work, which is a pretty big assumption at this point.

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I am ONLY addressing Snee for the purposes of THIS thread..Just because Snee would have gotten "all the reps" under TC doesn't mean all that much to me...


Of course it doesn't. It doesn't fit your narrative about OTAs.


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TC played ALL his starters for game 16 in 2007(which I agreed with, btw) while MANY other coached would not have..So as much as I love TC, not all coaches operate the way he does...


That has zero bearing on Snee's situation in the Spring of 2014, but thanks for the memories.

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...so people throwing in his quotes about OTAs, etc., doesn't say all that much to me


Again, it doesn't fit your narrative so you just choose to ignore it.
Good Lawd..  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 12:28 pm : link
Bye bye
Forget everything I've written. I'll just address the OP's premise..  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 12:32 pm : link
The Giants don't work that way..They're not putting Snee through all of this so they can technically get him another million..TC would never stand for that..And neither would Snee imo..
It wouldn't be the first time  
PEEJ : 6/15/2014 12:34 pm : link
the Giants gave a going away present for long and meritorious service
PEEJ,  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 12:39 pm : link
when, besides injury settlements? I can't think of one time(doesn't mean it didn't happen) where the Giants' going away present included bringing back a player as they have with Snee in order to reward them..
I would suggest that Diehl's  
PEEJ : 6/15/2014 12:42 pm : link
last year (which included a $1M bonus) was a gift.
But he played the whole year.  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 12:49 pm : link
Unless you're being facetious
I would agree that Snee doesn't likely need all of the OTA days  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2014 1:13 pm : link
to get acclimated to a new Offense. However, it is clear his body won't let him go everyday anyway so that is the problem. In fact, Snee has already begun scheduling his upcoming weekly activities...

RE: I would agree that Snee doesn't likely need all of the OTA days  
shabu : 6/15/2014 1:21 pm : link
In comment 11728798 Jimmy Googs said:
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to get acclimated to a new Offense. However, it is clear his body won't let him go everyday anyway so that is the problem. In fact, Snee has already begun scheduling his upcoming weekly activities...



lol
Googs agreed and that was my only real point on this thread.  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 1:23 pm : link
I acknowledged that I didn't realize he was still hurting as I hadn't read the quotes cited on here..Has little to do with my prior general stance on OTAs. Rather it had everything to do with how much time Snee really needs to get ready for the season, assuming he's healthy enough to do so..

If I wasn't clear on that, well, that's on me..I thought I was being quite clear..
once an OL has bad hips  
oipolloi : 6/15/2014 1:56 pm : link
it is the end of the line

Im not sure if Milton is right. He could be. We'll find out. But clearly Snee is receiving extra special treatment because of his relationship with TC. When has any other injured player gotten so much extra money thrown at him?



RE: once an OL has bad hips  
Riggies : 6/15/2014 2:07 pm : link
In comment 11728839 oipolloi said:
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it is the end of the line

Im not sure if Milton is right. He could be. We'll find out. But clearly Snee is receiving extra special treatment because of his relationship with TC. When has any other injured player gotten so much extra money thrown at him?


The money Snee gets really shouldn't be the concern. It's not stopping them from signing anyone and, for once, it's not going to lead to them having to restructure anyone in a way that will bite them later.

The problem is that their "big" OL signing's best position is RG and he's been forced off of it, put at LG, in order for the team to continue to pretend Snee, with his two bad hips and bad elbow, isn't forked. Even their back-up plan to Snee is pretty terrible (as Jerry is the trifecta of injured himself, an asshole, and poor on the field).
RE: Googs agreed and that was my only real point on this thread.  
Jimmy Googs : 6/15/2014 2:22 pm : link
In comment 11728811 Big Blue '56 said:
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I acknowledged that I didn't realize he was still hurting as I hadn't read the quotes cited on here..Has little to do with my prior general stance on OTAs. Rather it had everything to do with how much time Snee really needs to get ready for the season, assuming he's healthy enough to do so..

If I wasn't clear on that, well, that's on me..I thought I was being quite clear..


No problem BB. I think we all need to realize when a Giant player says he is a 100%, he never says it with the pads on...
they should just tell Snee to accept  
mdc1 : 6/15/2014 3:48 pm : link
the money and GITFO so we can rebuild with youth. He is a waste of time and not the future. Clearly any fool knows that but they are rewarding him anyway, so just do it already, and move along so we can get shit done for the next generation of the team.

'56 drinking the Giants kool-aid like clockwork  
David in LA : 6/15/2014 3:53 pm : link
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David, oh really? How's that?  
Big Blue '56 : 6/15/2014 4:09 pm : link
I don't agree with TC about OTAs..I don't believe Snee is getting special treatment as TC ever works that way..Snee got a million dollar prove it deal..A much bigger deal with guarantees money would show nepotism..

Have substance behind your accusations
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