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Snee and the Injury Protection Clause

Milton : 6/14/2014 10:28 pm
If Snee fails his pre-training camp physical and retires, he will be entitled to $1.1M in injury protection benefit according to Article 45 of the CBA (because it was the result of an injury from last season). I wonder if this is where things are heading and the Giants (including management, coaches, and Snee) are just going through the motions in order to be in compliance with the legalize....

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ARTICLE 45 INJURY PROTECTION
Section 1.
Qualification:
A player qualifying under the following criteria will receive an Injury Protection benefit in accordance with Section 2 below:
(a) The player must have been physically unable, because of a severe football injury in an NFL game or practice, to participate in all or part of his Club’s last game of the season of injury, as certified by the Club physician following a physical examination after the last game; or the player must have undergone Club-authorized surgery in the off-season following the season of injury; and
(b) The player must have undergone whatever reasonable and customary rehabilitation treatment his Club required of him during the off-season following the season of injury; and
(c) The player must have failed the preseason physical examination given by the Club physician for the season following the season of injury because of such injury and as a result his Club must have terminated his contract for the season following the season of injury. This preseason physical may be given by the Club physician prior to the beginning of preseason camp, so long as such fact is clearly communicated in writing to the player at the time of the physical exam. The preseason physical examination given for qualification need not be the entire Standard Minimum Preseason Physical Examination, but shall be that necessary and appropriate to evaluate the injury for which the benefit is sought.

Section 2.
Benefit:
A player qualifying under Section 1 above will receive an amount equal to 50% of his Paragraph 5 Salary for the season following the season of injury, up to a maximum payment of: $1,000,000, in the 2011–12 League Years; $1,050,000, in the 2013–14 League Years; $1,100,000, in the 2015–16 League Years; $1,150,000, in the 2017–18 League Years; and $1,200,000, in the 2019–2020 League Years; in each case unless he has individually negotiated more injury protection or a larger guaranteed salary in his contract. The benefit will be paid to the player in equal weekly installments commencing no later than the date of the first regular season game, which benefit payments will cease if the player signs a contract for that season with another Club.
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Milton  
ZogZerg : 6/15/2014 6:10 pm : link
He's not out there so he can fail a physical and collect some extra $. He's out there helping the younger players and hoping to be able to contribute to the team.

If he can't go then he'll figure that out at some point during training camp. Like his roster spot is really important to free up? Get real.
RE: Milton  
Milton : 6/15/2014 6:45 pm : link
In comment 11729052 ZogZerg said:
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He's not out there so he can fail a physical and collect some extra $. He's out there helping the younger players and hoping to be able to contribute to the team.

If he can't go then he'll figure that out at some point during training camp. Like his roster spot is really important to free up? Get real.
It's not about the roster spot, it's about his health, so why don't you get real. If he shows up for camp and isn't healthy enough to practice more than every other day, it's time to move on.

I'm not making any predictions, I'm just putting it out there that this is where it could be heading. When the off-season training program began, Snee was saying how great he felt and looking forward to a rebound from last year. It all sounded quite hopeful. Now he's saying he has his good days and his bad days and he'll see how he feels come training camp. The narrative has changed since March from optimism to pragmatism and I'm just following the latest trajectory to its natural conclusion. But trajectories can change.
RE: RE: If Snee is finally and TRULY  
Mike in Boston : 6/15/2014 8:14 pm : link
In comment 11728663 Milton said:
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In comment 11728583 Big Blue '56 said:


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healthy, he'll get a shot to show it on the field. I wouldn't bet against it..

You wouldn't bet against him being truly healthy? The man is missing OTA's because he has "good days and bad days" during non-contact practices. What are the chances that full contact is going to increase his good days to bad days ratio?


Of course the thing that may lead to improvement is not more contact., It is more recovery time post surgery. I suspect even his doctors don't know how that will go over then next month or two, never mind us fans.
Milton - you were the one bitching about the roster spot!  
ZogZerg : 6/15/2014 9:03 pm : link
and accusing the Giants and Snee of playing a charade so he can collect extra money. I'm calling BS on your post and telling you that you are full of shit.

Snee wants to play football and he deserves every chance to give it one last shot.
There are two possibilities: 1. Snee does not play every day because  
Marty in Albany : 6/15/2014 9:16 pm : link
he is still getting healthy, and 2. it is because he is as healthy as he will ever be. I'm going with No. 1 based on what I said the other day:

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re: Snee.
Maybe the Giants have made the wrong decision about keeping Snee at starter, and maybe not. It could be a 50-50 proposition and the Giants are hoping he can play.

However, IMHO, one thing is ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, the Giants are NOT sentimental. If the Giants believed that there was a better alternative to keeping Snee, then he would be gone the same as Ross, TT, Webster, Baas, Tuck, and Kris Adams, whoever the hell he is. The fact that you have recent acquisitions like John Jerry and Weston Richburg (who can play Guard, if Walton is playing Center) indicates that the Giant are quite aware that Snee is temporary, at best.
RE: Milton - you were the one bitching about the roster spot!  
Milton : 6/15/2014 9:41 pm : link
In comment 11729211 ZogZerg said:
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and accusing the Giants and Snee of playing a charade so he can collect extra money. I'm calling BS on your post and telling you that you are full of shit.

Snee wants to play football and he deserves every chance to give it one last shot.
Besides being a dick without a dick, you're also a moron who can't read. There is no charade going on. I'm not bitching about anything or predicting anything, I'm just presenting a potential scenario as Snee's progress (or lack thereof) continues. Why you needed to act like a jerk, rather than be civil, is a product of your own insecurities and I'm not going to waste more of my time indulging you. So have at it with your straw men if that's what it takes to fluff up your childish ego.
Milton, you need to re-read whay you wrote:  
ZogZerg : 6/16/2014 6:34 am : link
Here you are saying Snee and Giants are just going through motions so he can collect a check:

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I wonder if this is where things are heading and the Giants (including management, coaches, and Snee) are just going through the motions in order to be in compliance with the legalize....



Here you are bitching about the roster spot
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p.s.-- I want to play football, too. But I don't think that's reason enough for the Giants to give me a roster spot for training camp.


You need to re-read the shit you are writing before replying to people - Dumb ass!

Snee has been a warrior for this team and deserves every chance to give it a shot.
ZogZerg  
Milton : 6/16/2014 9:04 am : link
What I mean by "going through the motions" is basically following the protocol that will eventually lead to the decision for him to retire and receive the $1M benefit payment that is his due based on the CBA.

And by doing so, the Giants aren't doing him any favors (as others seem to think I'm suggesting). It's a legal responsibility and it would be the same if they cut him today or if they had cut him in March. All that is required for him to fulfill the requirements is that he spend the off-season rehabbing an injury from the previous year and that he be unable to pass a team physical at the beginning of training camp, forcing him to retire. It doesn't have to be the Giants who fail him, it could be any team in the NFL, but this is the classier route. At least that's my understanding of how the protection clause works.

This may even have been a consideration when he accepted the paycut to a reduced salary which "coincidentally" matches the exact amount that would entitle him to the maximum injury benefit (50% of his $2M salary equals the $1M maximum). In this way, the paycut gave the Giants the cap room they desired in free agency without costing Snee any money if his rehab failed and he was forced to retire.

Or I could be completely wrong!!!

I'm just trying to connect the dots as we follow a saga that began with optimism in February and March, but has taken on a less hopeful tone after hearing him talk during the OTA's. As I see it, management is giving Snee every chance possible to prove he is healthy enough for one last rodeo. If not, he collects the $1M retirement benefit (he would be due anyway) and moves on with his life. As for my comment about not giving me a roster spot, I think you were reading too much into a joke. If there's a chance that Snee can return to health, he is well worth a spot on the 90 man training camp roster.

In any case, I apologize for losing my cool in my previous comment. I wasn't trying to make any definitive statement or prediction when I started this thread, I was just hypothesizing. About ten years ago, similar circumstances went down with a player on the Raiders (I forget who it was). Raiders fans and their beat writers were wondering why so-and-so was still on the roster and it turned out the Raiders were just keeping him around until he failed his training camp physical and qualified for his injury benefit payment upon announcing his retirement. Yes, the Raiders could have just cut him in the spring and he could've gone through the hoops of proving he was no longer healthy enough for the game, but this was considered the classier way to treat a longtime veteran of the team.

p.s.-- And in the interest of full disclosure, I posted a similar thread last year about Snee. And last year there were even more tea leaves suggesting it because of the way he put off surgery until after the Pro Bowl and was still rehabbing when training camp rolled around.
last year  
area junc : 6/16/2014 12:02 pm : link
was the teams "thank you wave" to chris snee keeping him on the books at $7m
he started falling apart in 2011.
i appreciate all the snaps he's given us since then but we haven't seen "chris snee" since 2010 just like we haven't seen tuck since then either

adding an element to this situation is that IF weston richburg is as advertised as a top 50 pick, he should be on the field over the snee we've seen the last 2 or 3 years. as noted above the ideal line would likely be schwartz at RG and richburg stepping in at LG. however CS is still being paid double the clockwork 1-year, $1m contract traditionally given to our vet 6th man and we'd be wasting time w/our current rotation

so, I ask again  
fkap : 6/16/2014 12:58 pm : link
is this the 1 mil guarantee in his contract, or is the injury protection clause on top of that?

And, while BB'56 isn't totally off base that missing the OTA's isn't the end of the world, it is rather telling that Snee isn't even healthy enough to go through pretend pretend reps. (most of actual training camp is pretend reps, and OTAs are pretending to be pretend reps. positions that require some running are slightly different, but OL in OTA is basically get in your stance and envision what you would do if someone actually smacked into you. hell, all 150 LB, 5'2" of 54 YO me could survive being a left guard in OTA).
I might even survive  
fkap : 6/16/2014 1:00 pm : link
being a right guard!
fkap  
Milton : 6/16/2014 3:34 pm : link
I'm not aware of any guaranteed money in Snee's contract. All I recall reading is that his salary was reduced to $2M, but it's not guaranteed until he makes the 53 man roster. Maybe somebody else knows better.

And he only qualifies for the $1M injury protection if he fails the pre-training camp physical. If he passes the physical and is later released, he gets nothing.
over the cap  
fkap : 6/16/2014 4:52 pm : link
and our own cap guru Optimus shows a 1 mil guarantee in there. It was talked about when the details of the contract came out, and many of us were disgusted that the Giants would give a guarantee to a guy hoping to make a comeback. I'm hoping that the guarantee is merely the injury clause.
Klaatu's 11:11 yesterday is very likely correct  
JonC : 6/16/2014 4:58 pm : link
Snee's own recent statements would reinforce that they're buying him time, which is not optimal when you're installing a new offensive system. Too, Snee hasn't performed well in a few years and it's all health related, leaving his situation a potential house of cards.
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