Eli has a year resembling last year, ignoring cap implications for a second... would 2 straight bad seasons be enough for you to dump Eli? I only ask because my uncle and Grandpa had a "heated" argument with my Grandpa saying he's earned more rope than "only" 2 bad seasons, my uncle saying he'd cut Eli without thinking twice if that happened.
Eli was HORRENDOUS in 2013. You can blame the OL and the Receivers and the OC, we've made changes in each of those areas to try and help us. But Eli sucked in 2013 INDEPENDENT of the rest of the offense. Even when he had time and receivers open he'd miss them too often. All the INTs can be blamed on different things, but he still threw too many dumb interceptions that were his own fault.
He sucked last year. And if he sucks again in 2014, we will have a gigantic problem on our hands. I don't even want to think about it. My heart is screaming "LOYALTY!" but my brain is screaming "ALL ABOUT THE WINS".
Hopefully Eli bounces back and kills it this year so we don't have to worry about this.
His cap number is almost 20M next year. The Giants would save almost 18M by cutting him. You cannot pay a player that way who isn't consistently great.
I am of the belief in the NFL the past and emotion cannot be part of your decision-making, it needs to be purely on-field results (short and long-term).
If Eli bounces back then you ride out the next year before extending him.
The other question is, how bad is bad? If Eli only throws 18-20 ints. and we go 8-8 or 9-7 without making the playoffs is that good enough to keep Eli around long term and TC as head coach?
Other than Eli there were only 4 QB's with 20 INT's last year - and Geno Smith, a rookie, was one of them.
If the Giants make the playoffs next year and Eli doesn't have pro-bowl numbers I'll be fine with it.
It's when his performance contributes to losses that I'd consider a change
Tom Coughlin and Eli Manning, Act III - ( New Window )
I would however say that this far along in his career, that if a hot QB falls to us in the draft, a la Aaron Rogers, you take him no matter if Brett favre or Eli manning are your QB.
He's been in the league 10 years now, and he'll be in his mid 30s after this season. This year is clearly a wait and see year. If he returns to form, great. If he doesn't, my guess is that the Giants will want a pay cut for 2015 or contract extension at a much lower number.
Any quarterback, can put up good numbers, if he has the time and quality receivers....Things, Eli did not have last year....when you are pressured time after time, like he was, it has an affect on you....
Who says all the problems are corrected? This OL is STILL a huge question mark......after Jennings what do you have? A rookie that didn't catch a pass his senior year? Hillis? Cox? Wilson is a HUGE question mark....
TE? So many Giant fans have their fingers crossed, arthritis is setting in....
Let's face it Cruz, was covered because Nicks decided to take the year off...Who will replace Nicks? Our #1 Hammy? Randle?
This is a new system......it will have growing pains.....playing against your own defense means nothing.....
Eli was not without fault last year, he missed some BIG passes at critical times last year....he developed happy feet because of the OL.....
That HOF game can't come fast enough.....we need some answers....
If Eli is subpar next year, it will be because Reese has failed him again. If our line is average and a second receiver emerges, the Eli of old returns.
Are you not concerned with Eli's lack of proficiency in the short passing game so far? Is it just lack of practice in Gilbride's system?
George Young cut Phil Simms. Ernie Accorsi cut Kerry Collins. Someday, Jerry Reese might have to cut Eli Manning (whose acquisition is much more closely linked to Accorsi's legacy than Reese's). Tough cuts are in the job description of an NFL GM. I think an extension is much more likely, but there are multiple scenarios that could lead to 2014 being Eli's last year in blue.
You know, the 2-time Super Bowl winning MVP. Think about that. You think Eli got bad? I don't. The problem(s) was (were) obvious.
If Eli doesn't play waaay better than he has the past 1.5 years in 2014, the FO won't want to extend his contract at ANY price. They will want a serious pay CUT for 2015, or they will likely cut him.
But I think he will bounce back.
This shit on BBI has to stop.. The only time we have ever seen Nassib was in pre season, late in the forth quarter, in garbage time, playing with camp fodder, and he handed off 70% of the time.. no one here has seen much of anything of Nassib..
It's fair to ask, though, whether an expensive, declining Eli could become part of a vicious circle:
1) Eli's contract limits cap resources, creating problems at other positions;
2) Problems at other positions expose Eli to physical and psychological damage;
3) Eli's skills erode, requiring upgrades around him, but... (go to #1).
Cutting him isn't the only way to break the chain, but it is the last resort.
Hope we don't have to make that kind of decision.
I have no clue how well the new OL and O scheme will be, though I think the combo of players acquired and the basics of what we have been told get me very excited about what appears to be a player friendly O scheme.
If the OL holds up there part of the new O, and the WRs theirs, and Eli still has problems the 2nd half of the season, allowing for an adjustment period for all 3 parts, then the Giants will need to follow the Patriots path and look QB early in 15 or 16 drafts(unless Nassib grasps this new O well).
And will ask Eli for that extension to save cap.
Cut him; NO.
All that said, I think Eli will do very well in this new O.
Frankly, I don't think anyone can say he needs any one thing to thrive or be at his best... he's just been a weirdly inconsistent player regardless of what is or isn't around him.
(Which, for now, is a good thing, because it actually offers up some reasonable hope that he can bounce back from last year, whereas a more... straight forward QB wouldn't and would be much more likely to be toast.)
It's fair to ask, though, whether an expensive, declining Eli could become part of a vicious circle:
1) Eli's contract limits cap resources, creating problems at other positions;
2) Problems at other positions expose Eli to physical and psychological damage;
3) Eli's skills erode, requiring upgrades around him, but... (go to #1).
Cutting him isn't the only way to break the chain, but it is the last resort.
Eli in his decline is a conversation worth having. This particular one was based on his "AWFUL, AWFUL season in 2013" and the inference is that he's in decline. So many can see that the circumstances were awful and that when that happens, Eli TENDS to try to make something out of nothing and yeah, some of the plays were on him. But some here SAY that the circumstances were awful then ignore what they just said and talk about Eli's awful year.
Reese has been drafting and signing QBs throughout Eli's career. Obviously none have come close to unseatng him. Partly because Eli was in his peak years and partly because the competition wasn't earnest. But it will be going foward.
Plus Eli had surgery. He's at higher risk of injury as he ages, and all streaks end. So the inevitable will arrive, and preparation is the key to success. When the answer to the question above is not someone named Eli, everything else will follow
It's hard to not say the OL will be improved (even marginally), the WR situation should be better, the TE position (while not final) can't be worse, and the running game is improved.
the one area you know is unchanged (personnel-wise) is Eli.
If he has another bad year he'll be entering his last year under contract at 35 years old.
Even under poor circumstances surrounding him it's a legitimate discussion to have about do you extend him or not.
Whether a QB can play well in an impossible situation is of no concern to me. I only care about having the right QB who can win if there is a possibility of being in a winning situation.
If the other offensive positions improve and/or stabilize, and we are losing because of poor play from Eli, then I'll be concerned.
And no, I'm not suggesting they bring in Jim Fassel to work with him.
But relative to your OP, if he has a miserable year and its on him...you cut him loose. And I would imagine a lot of other guys would be cut loose too.
That said, if he is very bad again then I think at a minimum we need to bring in serious competition and consider that Eli may not be the starter in 2015 or 2016.
Worst case scenario (particularly if the $$ situation demands it), cutting him may be a real consideration.
Which sucks and makes me happy that I am not the team's GM.
But to do nothing and pretend he isn't sucking doesn't seem a good option.