would draft him so he could crash and burn in the most epic fashion. If he had gone to a team like Kansas City, with Andy Reid, I would've given him a chance to be decent. The Browns might be the most dysfunctional team in the league, however, and the defenses in that division will eat him alive. It's amazing how quickly he reverted back to Johnny Dickhead, too, after behaving during the pre-draft period.
will make the Brady Quinn pick look good. I hope this little twat takes his legend to the practice squad before being cut and ending up in the CFL where he belongs.
this will be a story about commitment or common sense or work ethic or whatever other intangibles that speak about character some sportswriter would like to opine about.
Until then, it's a guy from a social media generation going out in early June. A non-story.
this will be a story about commitment or common sense or work ethic or whatever other intangibles that speak about character some sportswriter would like to opine about.
Until then, it's a guy from a social media generation going out in early June. A non-story.
I disagree. It's clearly rubbing his own team the wrong way. A rookie making his own terms, not listening to the direction of management? How is that a non issue? It's not just posting pics on twitter, anyone who thinks that is delusional.
We'll see what happens when his career actually starts. If he's still doing this stuff in October, he'll be digging a mighty big hole for himself. Until then, I'll reserve judgment.
Without it, we will be told that he is a bust with a questionable work-ethic.
Yep. Eli is aloof and lacks fire when he loses. When he wins, he's even-keeled and pressure can't phase him. Meanwhile, Eli is just chillin and hasn't changed from win to loss to win
Without it, we will be told that he is a bust with a questionable work-ethic.
Yep. Eli is aloof and lacks fire when he loses. When he wins, he's even-keeled and pressure can't phase him. Meanwhile, Eli is just chillin and hasn't changed from win to loss to win
Media loves this shit because fans eat it up.
Not all of us!
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Emmitt Smith predicted Manziel would have a "short career" if he didn't get out of the nightclubs.
The '90s Cowboys sure were noted for their straightlaced, uber-professional habits away from the football field, weren't they?
Maybe Emmitt is just suggesting that a friend of Johnny's lease out a house so he can have his cocaine-and-hookers parties more discreetly. You know, the way Michael Irvin did it.
hell he has a long way to go to be Bobby Lane playing and Â
If you find his behavior "inappropriate" or "disrespectful" then you are exactly the type of person he is deliberately thumbing his nose at - the bosses, the elders, the authorities, "The Man" if you will.
If on the other hand you find is attitude refreshing and daring and enjoy his individualism and non-conformity and cheer him on then you are in the Johnny Football camp and are happy to see him not only get away with it but thrive playing the system.
Will the Establishment put him in his place, or will he change the System and define a new place? Stay tuned...
didn't he show up late and hung over for the Manning's camp? Â
QB is the position in sports where performance is most correlated with taking your craft seriously, hard work and leadership characteristics. Johnny has shown a lot of red flags on those fronts, especially considering his talent is also in question.
Going to Vegas for a weekend is a crime?
Being surrounded by pretty girls is awful?
Sold his autographs? First ever to do that, right?
Most people just love to hate others who are successful and hope that they self-destruct.
I don't know why he's a train wreck waiting to happen. But, then again, I didn't think Will Hill was either! Seriously though, that's an ugly comparison and I wish Manziel luck -- the Browns sure could use an above-average-quarterback if that's what Johnny turns out to be and I, for one, hope that's what the future holds for him.
we've always wanted to beat the shit out of. Now we're going to live vicariously through NFL defensive players, who will get to beat the shit out of him.
on whether you subscribe to the Parcells/Coughlin/Belichick definition of "team"...where whether you agree with it or not, there is not much room for wacky individualism.
would draft him so he could crash and burn in the most epic fashion. If he had gone to a team like Kansas City, with Andy Reid, I would've given him a chance to be decent. The Browns might be the most dysfunctional team in the league, however, and the defenses in that division will eat him alive. It's amazing how quickly he reverted back to Johnny Dickhead, too, after behaving during the pre-draft period.
The Cowboys have too much money invested in Romo and too many weaknesses on defense to have drafted Manziel, although I think Jerry Jones said he was the highest rated player no their board.
He does seem to have a party attitude that could get him in trouble. We'll see, but it's not how a dedicated draft pick would behave.
Mike Pettine's main concern these days is who has copies of the Jets playbook, and they only get worse as you go up the ladder in that organization. Who's there that Manziel will respect? The fact that they're trying to lock Hoyer up long term isn't exactly a ringing endorsement, either.
today's NFL rewards the prepared player - and the QB needs to be disciplined to be prepared - it is the most difficult position on the field - you cannot compare LT - to Johnny Manzel - I do not think LT would have made a good QB
The ignorance of some fans to the lifestyles of the players they adore Â
is astonishing. Hint: a large portion of NFL players are imbibing is similar, if not worse antics than JFF every weekend. You just don't know it until your favorite player shoots himself in the leg at a nightclub, or attempts to cover-up said incident, or is arrested for masterminding an interstate ring of dog-fights, or is charged with multiple murders, or is accused of multiple rapes, or beats up his fiancée in AC, or plows drunkingly into some parked cars after a soccer match, or slugs his wife in Meatpacking, etc. Until then you're convinced that Plaxico, Antonio Pierce, Mike Vick, Aaron Hernandez, Ben Roethlisberger, Raymell Rice, Dave Diehl, and Luke Petigout are nice guys.
But Johnny Fucking Football? Who does he think he is by acting his age, enjoying his offseason, and being photographed breaking no laws? He's accomplished nothing other than being the youngest winner of the Heisman Trophy, turning in two of the most statistically impressive CFB campaigns of all-time, enhancing the brand of his alma mater by an estimated hundred of millions of dollars, garnering the respect and fear of the best coaches in college football, getting drafted in the first round of the NFL. What matters is that he doesn't look, smell, and sound like I am comfortable with envisioning my NFL QB. Hell, It's a good thing that Tom Brady is 6'5 because otherwise he'd have been toast after the way he cuddled with that lamb on the cover of GQ. Hell, if Johnny just went by "John" I'd give him a pass and he'd be able to mingle with beautiful girls, post up at every A-list event, and jet-set to Cannes like Tom does, but alas he has to be Johnny.
A lot of high profile athletes party like rock stars. Manziel is no different than most except he is a little more flamboyant and flippant. If he can play he can play. Whether he rubs his fingers together and gives the media fodder matters less than whether this guy can read nfl defenses and produce. I hope he does because he's done nothing wrong. He's a little crazy who cares.
How much stock fans and media types will place on lip service and how someone constructs their image. Act like a stuffed shirt and say all the right things and fans will say that guy is level headed and professional. Act a little goofy but really do nothing wrong and fans get all worked up.
and one of if not the only of his kind. You can also get away with that playing linebacker.
Brett Favre- Drank his way out of Atlanta. Was implicated in worse cellphone snaps than JFF at 40+ years old
Ben Roethlisberger- Strikes fear into every lonely female and motorcycle on the eastern seaboard.
Tony Romo- May have been a better Bachelor than Jesse Palmer. He might as well have had the entire state of Texas audition to be his GF, not to mention his professional golf ambition.
Eli Manning- The sneakinest bro in the league. This is a bro that got two, count them (2!!), underage drinking tickets before his junior year at school for being such a bro. Did I mention that the campus on which he was ticketed just happened to have been the alma mater of his father who just happened to be regarded as the best player ever to play football there, after himself of course? Hell, the cops that wrote him up could've noticed that the speed limits bore the number "18" because they were changed in honor of the bro's dad. Bro had to have been pretty drunk. Not to mention refusing to play for an NFL franchise with a history richer than Cleveland 2.0 (which was the correct move, btw)....
Mike Vick- Ugh
Cam Newton- Accepted illegal payment to attend certain schools? Check. Jump ship or expulsion from Florida after being implicated in a cheating scandal? Check.
Tom Brady- A fixture alongside of his supermodel wife at nearly every A-List event. He may have more magazine modelling covers than Super Bowl appearances, which is impressive. Plays for the Bean, lives in the Apple.
Kyle Orton, Matt Stafford- I'll let you google the pictures. Orton may be the Wade Boggs of the NFL.
Manziel will be fine if teams will let him develop naturally. I don't see him doing anything more than other guys. He's just constantly being recorded. As long as he doesn't show up on police blotters, let him do his thing.
defend him all you want I don't care. I personally don't care that he's even doing what he does. I think he's an idiot and a waste of a person who can spend his time better. When your team wants you to tone it down and you basically say "fuck you", why should I be a fan of that?
I have higher standards in the players I root for. If you don't, that's cool too.
Going to Vegas for a weekend is a crime?
Being surrounded by pretty girls is awful?
Sold his autographs? First ever to do that, right?
Most people just love to hate others who are successful and hope that they self-destruct.
I don't know why he's a train wreck waiting to happen. But, then again, I didn't think Will Hill was either! Seriously though, that's an ugly comparison and I wish Manziel luck -- the Browns sure could use an above-average-quarterback if that's what Johnny turns out to be and I, for one, hope that's what the future holds for him.
I think guys like you and Kyle are completely missing the point. It's not about what fans think. Who cares. Everything is always the fans fault around here. The issue is that his management has expressed concern and allegedly told him to tone it down. His response to that was "nobody is gonna tell me what to do".
So let me ask you, if your employer was made aware of some unsavory, or whatever term they'd use, behavior through social media, how would they react? Would you tell them to mind their own business, it's your "off" hours? I know me, personally, wouldn't have a job. My company considers us representative of the company, even in our off hours, and are expected to act accordingly. If I were to bring any kind of attention to them, I'd be gone. Simple as that. It's a condition of employment. The Browns obviously feel the same way about representing them.
defend him all you want I don't care. I personally don't care that he's even doing what he does. I think he's an idiot and a waste of a person who can spend his time better. When your team wants you to tone it down and you basically say "fuck you", why should I be a fan of that?
I have higher standards in the players I root for. If you don't, that's cool too.
An idiot maybe. But neither you nor I know if he's the latter and it would be silly to assume that.
Going to Vegas for a weekend is a crime?
Being surrounded by pretty girls is awful?
Sold his autographs? First ever to do that, right?
Most people just love to hate others who are successful and hope that they self-destruct.
I don't know why he's a train wreck waiting to happen. But, then again, I didn't think Will Hill was either! Seriously though, that's an ugly comparison and I wish Manziel luck -- the Browns sure could use an above-average-quarterback if that's what Johnny turns out to be and I, for one, hope that's what the future holds for him.
I think guys like you and Kyle are completely missing the point. It's not about what fans think. Who cares. Everything is always the fans fault around here. The issue is that his management has expressed concern and allegedly told him to tone it down. His response to that was "nobody is gonna tell me what to do".
So let me ask you, if your employer was made aware of some unsavory, or whatever term they'd use, behavior through social media, how would they react? Would you tell them to mind their own business, it's your "off" hours? I know me, personally, wouldn't have a job. My company considers us representative of the company, even in our off hours, and are expected to act accordingly. If I were to bring any kind of attention to them, I'd be gone. Simple as that. It's a condition of employment. The Browns obviously feel the same way about representing them.
That is the point. Not the fans feelings
The majority of us are replaceable at work. The Browns need Manziel.
He's choosing his lifestyle over his craft and won't listen to his employers. He hasn't proved me wrong. Even if he wins games he's still now doing what he's asked. In my mind he's a degenerate.
It's my opinion, and you have yours. I won't root for a player like him. I'd hate him if he were a Giant.
And as a poster said above, if I told my manager I wasn't going to do something I was asked to do if likely be fired. He's taking advantage of his fame which he's entitled to; I'm entitled to thinking he's a waste.
What the hell does that have to do with him telling his employer that he's gonna do what he wants? It's all cool cause you think the Browns need him?
And you saying that is a complete joke. The Browns will be around long after Manziel has gone through three livers and a heart transplant. The notion that an NFL team needs a player more than the player needs the team is a joke. And that's the exact kind of thinking that has people rooting for him to fail.
What the hell does that have to do with him telling his employer that he's gonna do what he wants? It's all cool cause you think the Browns need him?
And you saying that is a complete joke. The Browns will be around long after Manziel has gone through three livers and a heart transplant. The notion that an NFL team needs a player more than the player needs the team is a joke. And that's the exact kind of thinking that has people rooting for him to fail.
The team will be around but the Front Office and coach may not. They need Manziel to succeed and appear to give him more freedom than say a seventh rounder.
This is real life. Manziel has the potential to be a great player so the Browns are willing to put up with his shenanigans. He has not hurt any body and his lifestyle hasn't affected his performance on the field. If it did, then we can revisit this discussion.
The Browns may not like that he's out partying a lot but I'm sure the Owner doesn't mind the publicity Manziel is generating. How often does the casual fan say, "let's talk about the Browns" during the off-season?
will make the Brady Quinn pick look good. I hope this little twat takes his legend to the practice squad before being cut and ending up in the CFL where he belongs.
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This is only a story because Manziel is so famous Â
and part of his fame is because of his "flippant" attitude, his brand is fantastic.
None of you have the right to call into question the commitment to his craft for what he does on his own time which many have pointed out is no worse than many, many athletes. (Compared to Ryan Lochte he seems brilliant)
Look at the people that run Snapchat, notorious partiers. They can still run a business worth $1B+ but partying and playing a game is too much for JM? Please. (The Snapchat story is not isolated either I know many people in prominant positions at a lot of big start ups that also party like rock stars)
Is it a little douchey? Yes. So what? So are a lot of things. There are plenty of people that haven't accomplished a fraction of what JM has that act much, much, worse.
For all the crap milleneals take, much of it deserved, we are living in a new world. One where young people with drive and creativity can accomplish things that the old establishment would never have allowed.
JM is all in on that culture the one where you put in your work achieve success and celebrate that however you want. The shame in all this is that his career might be derailed by teammates and people jealous of the attention he gets or the perception that they wouldn't be allowed to live that way.
If he misses meetings, doesn't know the plays etc. Then the team should throw the book at him but from his results so far I for one am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. And that should be the only thing that matters to anyone the results of what he does when he shows up to work.
will make the Brady Quinn pick look good. I hope this little twat takes his legend to the practice squad before being cut and ending up in the CFL where he belongs.
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And FYI this kind of talk is just pure jealousy. He's a twat and deserves to flame out because he parties? He's not "making the best of a golden opporunity"? Please. You just wish you had a fraction of his talent, money or fun or you wouldn't have such an unfounded hatred of a person you don't know at all.
k in this situation is the attitude which propelled him to greatness. It's a double edged sword and you have to take the good with the bad. The risk taking & value system which let him succeed in the world of football means this in the off season. This is very simple to me.
oh and radar, not interested in your brand of pedantry. Stick to the usual cadre of willing combatants. Gracias.
Pretty much my stance on him. This guy is the most exciting QB prospect in terms of style of play since Mike Vick. And he's the most exciting off the field star to enter the NFL since Tebow. Potentially he could be...
Tony Romo meets Russell Wilson on the field
Tim Tebow meets Justin Bieber off the field (ESPN wet dream right there)
His off the field stuff is a little annoying but I kind of like his personality. Not sure how I'd feel if he were on the Giants, but I hate how fake the modern athlete is to the public so I enjoy Manziel being real. Either way, fail or succeed, this guy is going to be fun to watch.
Aren't we all jealous of most millionaires? I don't understand the logic. Of course everybody is jealous of Manziel. He's being paid millions to play football. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Nobody is allowed to criticize him? Cause we don't make millions? It's just ridiculous thinking and quite honestly, sounds a bit childish. "You're just jealous!" Haha. Well, umm, yeah! Who isn't?
Doesn't mean he's immune to bad publicity. I'm jealous of every player in the NFL. And MLB. And NBA. And NHL. And PGA. I guess it's not ok to have an opinion on any of them, huh?
you should realize when that jealousy is projecting Â
that means I'm jealousy of all millionaires, why single out just Manziel? Sure I'd like millions, but if I had them, I wouldn't be anything like him, nor would I go out of my way to take shots at my employers.
when I see a successful, good looking dude I'm not surprised when he has an attractive gf/wife. I may be envious of it, but I don't think it's undeserved.
I have nothing but good things to say about 95% of the rest of the athletes that I'm jealous of on the planet?
Umm, ok. Makes sense chief. Keep up the good work
This makes no sense. Let's try your logic somewhere else. I like 95% of my teachers but the other 5% are terrible because they raise ire within me.
Oh great arbiter of decency please enlighten us more as to who are the good and bad people in the world?
Your problem with JM is that he doesn't give a fuck. Wouldn't we all like to be richer or more talented? Yes. Astute point sir. It doesn't mean you have to wish those better off than you any ill will. You don't like that he is throwing that better life in your face. Again, a little douchey, but not worthy of hatred.
keep this thread in mind the next time you think about criticizing a player for anything. Surely it would be your jealousy speaking. What a shitty argument. Either way, I'm out of this one too. Feel free to continue your love fest
Hey Manziel! Keep this shit up and you will find yourself Â
because image is everything these days. He's working his brand with everything he posts, and he gets tons of endorsements. The guy is just trying to live his life and make a living at the end of the day.
The fact remains you have no idea what he is really like, how much is an act, etc.
far from it. He's awesome to watch. I never said I hope he fails, I simple gave reasons as to why others do. I just have little tolerance for young guys that come in like their shit don't stink, telling their employers how it's gonna be. It's a big turn off for me. That's the part that I don't like. I don't give a shit about what he does in his off time. But when the guy writing the checks asks him to tone it down, how about showing some respect to his boss? It's ok because he's young? That's the excuse with everything these days.
And the 95% thing was showing that if I was criticizing him because I was jealous, wouldn't I find a way to criticize every freaking player in the world? I thought that was pretty clear, apparently not. But again, I'm out. Just wanted to clear that up
I just have little tolerance for young guys that come in like their shit don't stink, telling their employers how it's gonna be. It's a big turn off for me. That's the part that I don't like. I don't give a shit about what he does in his off time. But when the guy writing the checks asks him to tone it down, how about showing some respect to his boss? It's ok because he's young? That's the excuse with everything these days.
Your post comes across as butthurt because Manziel can do this, and you cannot. Wouldn't you love to be valuable enough that you could look at the rulebook and say 'nah, not for me'? Not saying you'd act on every pernicious impulse, but that freedom is something very few can enjoy - hence the jealousy.
he commits a heinous act that seems most people banned for life from their desired profession but because throwing a football 70 yards while running a 4.5 is such a unique skill set employers found a way to forgive. A teacher wouldn't receive the same benefit.
to hype Manziel more and perhaps even with the team and his agent playing their part. He will sell jerseys galore and adding the hard partying ways to his legend is not going to hurt one bit.
WILL STICK IT ALL IN OF THE HATERS FACES when he goes out and proves that he can barely beat out Hoyer and be somewhere between a slightly above average to a slightly below average NFL QB for a few years. He is what he is. He is better than Brady Quinn probably on par with a Brandon Weeden but with a different skill set (Brandon Weeden is better than he is getting the chance to be). JF will be a pretty good QB for a few years, regardless of whether he parities on the weekends or if he becomes full time football geek like Peyton Manning. He doesn't have P. Manning skill-set and he won't develop them if he becomes a football cloistered monk.
and yelled on the sideline.. I do whatever the #&%@%# I want.. that was ok??
Im with Eric on this one.. he is a kid.. who hopefully isnt headed for trouble.. sometimes you dont go out looking for trouble.. sometimes trouble finds YOU.. because you are in the wrong place at the wrong time..
I don't really care what he does either way, and I don't wish Â
failure on him (the Browns as a fanbase have suffered enough IMO), but I do think Eric is right here. Not for anything else, but I think his work ethic won't hold up to the rigors of the NFL.
He is not Michael Vick.
He is not Plaxico Burress.
I don't think he's a drunk.
Really, what the hell has he done that has pissed so many people off? Overslept at a football camp one morning? Hang the bastard. Went to Las Vegas on his own time? Stone the fucker.
Maybe he should dedicate his life to public service and only emerge for football practice and games. Would that do it for you guys? He could use all of his personal time to deliver clothing and food to the poor and help sanitation workers sweep the streets of Cleveland. Yeah, that's the ticket!
The key thing here, however, is the old saying "perception is reality."
Johnny Football is too immature to understand that as a high profile player, unfair as it is, that rule applies to him more than to most other players.
We're not talking about guys "getting caught"--instead these are guys smiling for the camera. Manziel may go on to greatness. Until then, acting like a douche may not be the way to ingratiate yourself to your blue collar team in a blue collar town.
- Professional football, in it's most basic essence, is a form of entertainment. Jonathon Football clearly entertains both on and off the field. There aren't hundreds of postings made on Giants message boards regarding Brian Hoyer or Matt Cassell.
- We've yet to see any evidence that JFF's public persona has ever interfered with his on-field abilities. His teammates at TAM loved him, with Jake Matthews going as far as saying that Johnny was the best leader he's met. Furthermore, Johnny is a rookie in the NFL- it would be foolhardy for anyone to expect a lockerroom of NFL veterans to embrace him as a leader prior to his first training camp. Hell, our HoF QB didn't control the huddle for three years. That being said, word out of Browns mini-camp was that players couldn't believe how dedicated and laid back JFF was. There is a persona profligated by his fans and his "branders" and there is the reality which is much more focused.
- If any franchise needed some excitement it was Cleveland. Talk about downtrodden. They have surpassed the Cowboys in tweets including their hashtag and have been among the tops in jersey sales. Ticket sales have been astounding, as well. HC Mike Pettine even went so far as to publicly state that JFF approached him about going to Vegas and was given the green light, as Pettine knew that this is what the rest of the league does too. But the Browns are bumbling their time in the spotlight to some degree; mixed messages from Haslam, barring the national media from mini-camp, and not jumping in front of the stories before they come public.
- Brian Hoyer very likely will be the starter in Cleveland for at least the first few games. I don't see it but Cleveland fans love him. He's a product of a Cleveland HS, QB'd a Big 10 school, was talked up by his former GM, and played relatively well for two games last year. What they don't tell you is that he was a mediocre recruit out of HS, was mediocre in college (never higher than honorable mention Big 10), went undrafted, was cut by three teams before landing in Cleveland, and his "highlight" game included 3 interceptions and Josh Gordon playing Superman. Nothing about Hoyer screams anything more than career backup. But he's the local blue-collar boy so.....
in some crazy scheme to actually conform to the well established biology of human maturation, that maybe...just maybe, Johnny Manziel will develop more advanced and appropriate cognative abilities as he gets older?
It's not as if a person with demonstrated intelligence (32 on his Wonderlic, tops among the highest drafted QBs in this draft) and an ideal upbringing has ever gone on from the ripe old age of 21 to accomplish much...
he will play well or poorly based on his talent... the fact that he like many NFL players enjoys his time off... is a non event. I was in vegas with his teammate Joe Hayden pool side living it up... he just doesnt tweet it... he seems to be doing ok.
people here whine about ESPN and then become a part of it with stuff like this.....
We're not talking about guys "getting caught"--instead these are guys smiling for the camera. Manziel may go on to greatness. Until then, acting like a douche may not be the way to ingratiate yourself to your blue collar team in a blue collar town.
Lets see who is leading in jersey sales the next time they get released.
I wouldn't be surprised if he remains the top seller
This just makes me more pissed that Dallas didn't take this guy. I agree with the Vets that his career will be short lived. In fact I think he's only fueling the fire for the defensive ends who will be eager to slam him on his back.
I figured at the time he was drafted that his new responsibilities might mature him a bit and that I would give him the benefit of the doubt. That didn't last long. LOL!
He's a clown and I feel bad for Cleveland who by now has to be questioning the pick.
Threads like these are evidence of why Cowherd, Bayless, Reilly Â
and other sports writers who ply their trade in folksy songs of yore for the innocent days of their youth when athletes were noble workaday Joes who played The Right Way have such large audiences.
People eat this moral outrage shit up, because it's a blast to judge others negatively and establish oneself as better than others based on character.
We're not talking about guys "getting caught"--instead these are guys smiling for the camera. Manziel may go on to greatness. Until then, acting like a douche may not be the way to ingratiate yourself to your blue collar team in a blue collar town.
Lets see who is leading in jersey sales the next time they get released.
I wouldn't be surprised if he remains the top seller
Um OK? But does that negate the idea that he better be focused on playing at a very high level or the fans who bought those jerseys will be pissed?
and downright silliness on this thread (go figure). J. M. does not share my values, so he's not the kind of guy I like or root for (unless he was a Giant), simple. I don't hate him and I don't have to defend not liking him. It appears that we have nothing in common with respect to character or values. Until I see otherwise (or he becomes a Giant), I don't give a shit about him. Simple.
Who are complete and total fuck-up douchebags, Johnny Manziel isn't even on the radar screen.
He's 21 years old, likes to get laid, and has a million dollars to play with. As long as no one gets hurt and he doesn't let it effect his game, who cares?
I actually kind of like him and hope he does well. Lord knows the city of Cleveland deserves some success from the Browns.
Who are complete and total fuck-up douchebags, Johnny Manziel isn't even on the radar screen.
He's 21 years old, likes to get laid, and has a million dollars to play with. As long as no one gets hurt and he doesn't let it effect his game, who cares?
I actually kind of like him and hope he does well. Lord knows the city of Cleveland deserves some success from the Browns.
No, he isn't a murderer or dog-torturer. What some are commenting on is how it might be in his best interest to tone it down until he actually proves to be a successful, NFL QB. There are shades of grey worth discussing. (and having said all that--no, this isn't a huge deal. Just bares watching)
not unexpected. Why should anyone, including his team, expect him to all of a sudden act with restraint? He will continue to act out until he decides it is not in his best self interest. If he is hurting the team, there are 52 other guys that will explain it to him.
I don't expect anything from him on or off the field. I don't think he will last very long in the NFL.
We're not talking about guys "getting caught"--instead these are guys smiling for the camera. Manziel may go on to greatness. Until then, acting like a douche may not be the way to ingratiate yourself to your blue collar team in a blue collar town.
Unless we could go back in time and give all the old players cell phones when they were young and drunk we have no idea weather they would have smiled for the camera or not.
I agree with you that he acts like a douche, my only point was I think Eric is being a bit naïve to think that outside of Namath no players behaved in this manner to some extent and was still able to be successful on the field.
1. Joe Haden: “Everybody’s going to go out, everybody’s going to have a good time. But you’ve got to make sure when you’re with your people it just doesn’t get out. You need to have a phone valet. Tell your friends ‘put your phones away.’ We’re going to go out and have a good time and just don’t record what you’re doing.”
Oh wait.
Easily the best part of the Grantland article was Roethlisberger's Â
Try looking at him for just a moment as if he were your son:
Is he really a POS and a threat to the NFL and the Browns and a train wreck waiting to happen?
Or are you a PROUD father bragging about your young man to anyone who will listen to you?
In comment 11752205 nedhiggins said:
[quote] and the criticism for out of shape middle age men is nothing more than sorry grapes [/quote
So if in just as good or better shape than him and middle aged can I criticize him? I'm willing to gonna few rounds w Jonny.
I honestly don't care what he does off field. He should care. But he's too arrogant at this point. If he fails will he have the personal strength and courage to change his ways and work harder if he's not putting in the effort?
If his bosses tell him to tone it down he should. The reality is he's probably not the best QB on that roster now. Not will he probably be the best one after camp. Why should the Browns mortgage their future if he can't do what they ask.
Sure he's 20. That means he has contractual obligations to his employer. If he doesn't want to fulfill them let him find another job.
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I really think it is time to reserve judgement on him Â
Let's see what he does this summer and if he can capture the Browns job. So far, there are no accounts of drugs or other vices other than drinking and acting like an ass, which is not uncommon for a kid just out of college, especially with his money.
If he can walk in to camp and handle the load, knows the playbook, etc. then this is a non-story. He is allowed to go out on his free time. However, if he comes in unprepared, can't perform on the field because he's hungover, etc. then his lifestyle is open for discussion.
that he'll be humbled on the field like all young QBs. Then the ball will be in his court to respond. We'll see what happens. Anything said now is just a speculative guess.
The Browns signed Manziel to sell season tickets, shirts and hats, Â
Much like the Jets and Tebow. Winning football games with these guys is icing. The Browns have no illusions regarding Manziel's NFL talent, hence the long term deal with Hoyer. I realize Russell Wilson is less than six feet but Manziel's height in addition to average arm strength and accuracy would be the reasons I would not draft him from a talent standpoint.
A win for watchers.
Until then, it's a guy from a social media generation going out in early June. A non-story.
He's doing what he wants, some say good for him. I say he could be doing a lot more with his gifts.
Until then, it's a guy from a social media generation going out in early June. A non-story.
I disagree. It's clearly rubbing his own team the wrong way. A rookie making his own terms, not listening to the direction of management? How is that a non issue? It's not just posting pics on twitter, anyone who thinks that is delusional.
Without it, we will be told that he is a bust with a questionable work-ethic.
Without it, we will be told that he is a bust with a questionable work-ethic.
Yep. Eli is aloof and lacks fire when he loses. When he wins, he's even-keeled and pressure can't phase him. Meanwhile, Eli is just chillin and hasn't changed from win to loss to win
Media loves this shit because fans eat it up.
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with it we will be told that he has swagger.
Without it, we will be told that he is a bust with a questionable work-ethic.
Yep. Eli is aloof and lacks fire when he loses. When he wins, he's even-keeled and pressure can't phase him. Meanwhile, Eli is just chillin and hasn't changed from win to loss to win
Media loves this shit because fans eat it up.
Not all of us!
The '90s Cowboys sure were noted for their straightlaced, uber-professional habits away from the football field, weren't they?
Maybe Emmitt is just suggesting that a friend of Johnny's lease out a house so he can have his cocaine-and-hookers parties more discreetly. You know, the way Michael Irvin did it.
Saying something is an IQ test to try to repudiate an opposing position is an IQ test.
If on the other hand you find is attitude refreshing and daring and enjoy his individualism and non-conformity and cheer him on then you are in the Johnny Football camp and are happy to see him not only get away with it but thrive playing the system.
Will the Establishment put him in his place, or will he change the System and define a new place? Stay tuned...
Being surrounded by pretty girls is awful?
Sold his autographs? First ever to do that, right?
Most people just love to hate others who are successful and hope that they self-destruct.
I don't know why he's a train wreck waiting to happen. But, then again, I didn't think Will Hill was either! Seriously though, that's an ugly comparison and I wish Manziel luck -- the Browns sure could use an above-average-quarterback if that's what Johnny turns out to be and I, for one, hope that's what the future holds for him.
Those coaches don't believe in "me."
The Cowboys have too much money invested in Romo and too many weaknesses on defense to have drafted Manziel, although I think Jerry Jones said he was the highest rated player no their board.
He does seem to have a party attitude that could get him in trouble. We'll see, but it's not how a dedicated draft pick would behave.
I may be wrong, but I don't see this ending well.
But Johnny Fucking Football? Who does he think he is by acting his age, enjoying his offseason, and being photographed breaking no laws? He's accomplished nothing other than being the youngest winner of the Heisman Trophy, turning in two of the most statistically impressive CFB campaigns of all-time, enhancing the brand of his alma mater by an estimated hundred of millions of dollars, garnering the respect and fear of the best coaches in college football, getting drafted in the first round of the NFL. What matters is that he doesn't look, smell, and sound like I am comfortable with envisioning my NFL QB. Hell, It's a good thing that Tom Brady is 6'5 because otherwise he'd have been toast after the way he cuddled with that lamb on the cover of GQ. Hell, if Johnny just went by "John" I'd give him a pass and he'd be able to mingle with beautiful girls, post up at every A-list event, and jet-set to Cannes like Tom does, but alas he has to be Johnny.
A lot of high profile athletes party like rock stars. Manziel is no different than most except he is a little more flamboyant and flippant. If he can play he can play. Whether he rubs his fingers together and gives the media fodder matters less than whether this guy can read nfl defenses and produce. I hope he does because he's done nothing wrong. He's a little crazy who cares.
I am of the belief his style is going to get him pummeled, but I wish him well. Those poor schmucks in Cleveland deserve some hope.
It's all bullshit more often than not.
Manziel is the anti-Tebow
Brett Favre- Drank his way out of Atlanta. Was implicated in worse cellphone snaps than JFF at 40+ years old
Ben Roethlisberger- Strikes fear into every lonely female and motorcycle on the eastern seaboard.
Tony Romo- May have been a better Bachelor than Jesse Palmer. He might as well have had the entire state of Texas audition to be his GF, not to mention his professional golf ambition.
Eli Manning- The sneakinest bro in the league. This is a bro that got two, count them (2!!), underage drinking tickets before his junior year at school for being such a bro. Did I mention that the campus on which he was ticketed just happened to have been the alma mater of his father who just happened to be regarded as the best player ever to play football there, after himself of course? Hell, the cops that wrote him up could've noticed that the speed limits bore the number "18" because they were changed in honor of the bro's dad. Bro had to have been pretty drunk. Not to mention refusing to play for an NFL franchise with a history richer than Cleveland 2.0 (which was the correct move, btw)....
Mike Vick- Ugh
Cam Newton- Accepted illegal payment to attend certain schools? Check. Jump ship or expulsion from Florida after being implicated in a cheating scandal? Check.
Tom Brady- A fixture alongside of his supermodel wife at nearly every A-List event. He may have more magazine modelling covers than Super Bowl appearances, which is impressive. Plays for the Bean, lives in the Apple.
Kyle Orton, Matt Stafford- I'll let you google the pictures. Orton may be the Wade Boggs of the NFL.
Manziel- Rides inflatable swan. Talks to money.
I have higher standards in the players I root for. If you don't, that's cool too.
Being surrounded by pretty girls is awful?
Sold his autographs? First ever to do that, right?
Most people just love to hate others who are successful and hope that they self-destruct.
I don't know why he's a train wreck waiting to happen. But, then again, I didn't think Will Hill was either! Seriously though, that's an ugly comparison and I wish Manziel luck -- the Browns sure could use an above-average-quarterback if that's what Johnny turns out to be and I, for one, hope that's what the future holds for him.
I think guys like you and Kyle are completely missing the point. It's not about what fans think. Who cares. Everything is always the fans fault around here. The issue is that his management has expressed concern and allegedly told him to tone it down. His response to that was "nobody is gonna tell me what to do".
So let me ask you, if your employer was made aware of some unsavory, or whatever term they'd use, behavior through social media, how would they react? Would you tell them to mind their own business, it's your "off" hours? I know me, personally, wouldn't have a job. My company considers us representative of the company, even in our off hours, and are expected to act accordingly. If I were to bring any kind of attention to them, I'd be gone. Simple as that. It's a condition of employment. The Browns obviously feel the same way about representing them.
That is the point. Not the fans feelings
I have higher standards in the players I root for. If you don't, that's cool too.
An idiot maybe. But neither you nor I know if he's the latter and it would be silly to assume that.
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Going to Vegas for a weekend is a crime?
Being surrounded by pretty girls is awful?
Sold his autographs? First ever to do that, right?
Most people just love to hate others who are successful and hope that they self-destruct.
I don't know why he's a train wreck waiting to happen. But, then again, I didn't think Will Hill was either! Seriously though, that's an ugly comparison and I wish Manziel luck -- the Browns sure could use an above-average-quarterback if that's what Johnny turns out to be and I, for one, hope that's what the future holds for him.
I think guys like you and Kyle are completely missing the point. It's not about what fans think. Who cares. Everything is always the fans fault around here. The issue is that his management has expressed concern and allegedly told him to tone it down. His response to that was "nobody is gonna tell me what to do".
So let me ask you, if your employer was made aware of some unsavory, or whatever term they'd use, behavior through social media, how would they react? Would you tell them to mind their own business, it's your "off" hours? I know me, personally, wouldn't have a job. My company considers us representative of the company, even in our off hours, and are expected to act accordingly. If I were to bring any kind of attention to them, I'd be gone. Simple as that. It's a condition of employment. The Browns obviously feel the same way about representing them.
That is the point. Not the fans feelings
The majority of us are replaceable at work. The Browns need Manziel.
It's my opinion, and you have yours. I won't root for a player like him. I'd hate him if he were a Giant.
And as a poster said above, if I told my manager I wasn't going to do something I was asked to do if likely be fired. He's taking advantage of his fame which he's entitled to; I'm entitled to thinking he's a waste.
And you saying that is a complete joke. The Browns will be around long after Manziel has gone through three livers and a heart transplant. The notion that an NFL team needs a player more than the player needs the team is a joke. And that's the exact kind of thinking that has people rooting for him to fail.
And you saying that is a complete joke. The Browns will be around long after Manziel has gone through three livers and a heart transplant. The notion that an NFL team needs a player more than the player needs the team is a joke. And that's the exact kind of thinking that has people rooting for him to fail.
The team will be around but the Front Office and coach may not. They need Manziel to succeed and appear to give him more freedom than say a seventh rounder.
This is real life. Manziel has the potential to be a great player so the Browns are willing to put up with his shenanigans. He has not hurt any body and his lifestyle hasn't affected his performance on the field. If it did, then we can revisit this discussion.
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None of you have the right to call into question the commitment to his craft for what he does on his own time which many have pointed out is no worse than many, many athletes. (Compared to Ryan Lochte he seems brilliant)
Look at the people that run Snapchat, notorious partiers. They can still run a business worth $1B+ but partying and playing a game is too much for JM? Please. (The Snapchat story is not isolated either I know many people in prominant positions at a lot of big start ups that also party like rock stars)
Is it a little douchey? Yes. So what? So are a lot of things. There are plenty of people that haven't accomplished a fraction of what JM has that act much, much, worse.
For all the crap milleneals take, much of it deserved, we are living in a new world. One where young people with drive and creativity can accomplish things that the old establishment would never have allowed.
JM is all in on that culture the one where you put in your work achieve success and celebrate that however you want. The shame in all this is that his career might be derailed by teammates and people jealous of the attention he gets or the perception that they wouldn't be allowed to live that way.
If he misses meetings, doesn't know the plays etc. Then the team should throw the book at him but from his results so far I for one am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. And that should be the only thing that matters to anyone the results of what he does when he shows up to work.
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will make the Brady Quinn pick look good. I hope this little twat takes his legend to the practice squad before being cut and ending up in the CFL where he belongs.
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And FYI this kind of talk is just pure jealousy. He's a twat and deserves to flame out because he parties? He's not "making the best of a golden opporunity"? Please. You just wish you had a fraction of his talent, money or fun or you wouldn't have such an unfounded hatred of a person you don't know at all.
oh and radar, not interested in your brand of pedantry. Stick to the usual cadre of willing combatants. Gracias.
A win for watchers.
Pretty much my stance on him. This guy is the most exciting QB prospect in terms of style of play since Mike Vick. And he's the most exciting off the field star to enter the NFL since Tebow. Potentially he could be...
Tony Romo meets Russell Wilson on the field
Tim Tebow meets Justin Bieber off the field (ESPN wet dream right there)
His off the field stuff is a little annoying but I kind of like his personality. Not sure how I'd feel if he were on the Giants, but I hate how fake the modern athlete is to the public so I enjoy Manziel being real. Either way, fail or succeed, this guy is going to be fun to watch.
Doesn't mean he's immune to bad publicity. I'm jealous of every player in the NFL. And MLB. And NBA. And NHL. And PGA. I guess it's not ok to have an opinion on any of them, huh?
Umm, ok. Makes sense chief. Keep up the good work
In any case, tired of arguing about it.
Envy is wanting something someone else has, without a value judgment on the other person having it.
Jealousy is wanting something someone else has, and believing your more entitled to it than they are.
This part is butthurt you see all over this thread.
Umm, ok. Makes sense chief. Keep up the good work
This makes no sense. Let's try your logic somewhere else. I like 95% of my teachers but the other 5% are terrible because they raise ire within me.
Oh great arbiter of decency please enlighten us more as to who are the good and bad people in the world?
Your problem with JM is that he doesn't give a fuck. Wouldn't we all like to be richer or more talented? Yes. Astute point sir. It doesn't mean you have to wish those better off than you any ill will. You don't like that he is throwing that better life in your face. Again, a little douchey, but not worthy of hatred.
The fact remains you have no idea what he is really like, how much is an act, etc.
And the 95% thing was showing that if I was criticizing him because I was jealous, wouldn't I find a way to criticize every freaking player in the world? I thought that was pretty clear, apparently not. But again, I'm out. Just wanted to clear that up
Your post comes across as butthurt because Manziel can do this, and you cannot. Wouldn't you love to be valuable enough that you could look at the rulebook and say 'nah, not for me'? Not saying you'd act on every pernicious impulse, but that freedom is something very few can enjoy - hence the jealousy.
World's not fair.
Time will tell.
Im with Eric on this one.. he is a kid.. who hopefully isnt headed for trouble.. sometimes you dont go out looking for trouble.. sometimes trouble finds YOU.. because you are in the wrong place at the wrong time..
He is not Plaxico Burress.
I don't think he's a drunk.
Really, what the hell has he done that has pissed so many people off? Overslept at a football camp one morning? Hang the bastard. Went to Las Vegas on his own time? Stone the fucker.
Maybe he should dedicate his life to public service and only emerge for football practice and games. Would that do it for you guys? He could use all of his personal time to deliver clothing and food to the poor and help sanitation workers sweep the streets of Cleveland. Yeah, that's the ticket!
Johnny Football is too immature to understand that as a high profile player, unfair as it is, that rule applies to him more than to most other players.
- We've yet to see any evidence that JFF's public persona has ever interfered with his on-field abilities. His teammates at TAM loved him, with Jake Matthews going as far as saying that Johnny was the best leader he's met. Furthermore, Johnny is a rookie in the NFL- it would be foolhardy for anyone to expect a lockerroom of NFL veterans to embrace him as a leader prior to his first training camp. Hell, our HoF QB didn't control the huddle for three years. That being said, word out of Browns mini-camp was that players couldn't believe how dedicated and laid back JFF was. There is a persona profligated by his fans and his "branders" and there is the reality which is much more focused.
- If any franchise needed some excitement it was Cleveland. Talk about downtrodden. They have surpassed the Cowboys in tweets including their hashtag and have been among the tops in jersey sales. Ticket sales have been astounding, as well. HC Mike Pettine even went so far as to publicly state that JFF approached him about going to Vegas and was given the green light, as Pettine knew that this is what the rest of the league does too. But the Browns are bumbling their time in the spotlight to some degree; mixed messages from Haslam, barring the national media from mini-camp, and not jumping in front of the stories before they come public.
- Brian Hoyer very likely will be the starter in Cleveland for at least the first few games. I don't see it but Cleveland fans love him. He's a product of a Cleveland HS, QB'd a Big 10 school, was talked up by his former GM, and played relatively well for two games last year. What they don't tell you is that he was a mediocre recruit out of HS, was mediocre in college (never higher than honorable mention Big 10), went undrafted, was cut by three teams before landing in Cleveland, and his "highlight" game included 3 interceptions and Josh Gordon playing Superman. Nothing about Hoyer screams anything more than career backup. But he's the local blue-collar boy so.....
Jealous losers: Hate him.
It's not as if a person with demonstrated intelligence (32 on his Wonderlic, tops among the highest drafted QBs in this draft) and an ideal upbringing has ever gone on from the ripe old age of 21 to accomplish much...
Sports, film, training, eating right was key
This kid wont make it
people here whine about ESPN and then become a part of it with stuff like this.....
I wish him well.
Lets see who is leading in jersey sales the next time they get released.
I wouldn't be surprised if he remains the top seller
I figured at the time he was drafted that his new responsibilities might mature him a bit and that I would give him the benefit of the doubt. That didn't last long. LOL!
He's a clown and I feel bad for Cleveland who by now has to be questioning the pick.
People eat this moral outrage shit up, because it's a blast to judge others negatively and establish oneself as better than others based on character.
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We're not talking about guys "getting caught"--instead these are guys smiling for the camera. Manziel may go on to greatness. Until then, acting like a douche may not be the way to ingratiate yourself to your blue collar team in a blue collar town.
Lets see who is leading in jersey sales the next time they get released.
I wouldn't be surprised if he remains the top seller
He's 21 years old, likes to get laid, and has a million dollars to play with. As long as no one gets hurt and he doesn't let it effect his game, who cares?
I actually kind of like him and hope he does well. Lord knows the city of Cleveland deserves some success from the Browns.
Wow, this certainly would have been appropriate on some of the NFTs we've had around here lately.
He's 21 years old, likes to get laid, and has a million dollars to play with. As long as no one gets hurt and he doesn't let it effect his game, who cares?
I actually kind of like him and hope he does well. Lord knows the city of Cleveland deserves some success from the Browns.
I don't expect anything from him on or off the field. I don't think he will last very long in the NFL.
Unless we could go back in time and give all the old players cell phones when they were young and drunk we have no idea weather they would have smiled for the camera or not.
I agree with you that he acts like a douche, my only point was I think Eric is being a bit naïve to think that outside of Namath no players behaved in this manner to some extent and was still able to be successful on the field.
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I was about to say thing but then I remember Justin Bieber hooked up with Adriana Lima. As big a tool as Bieber is...gotta respect that.
Oh wait.
Is he really a POS and a threat to the NFL and the Browns and a train wreck waiting to happen?
Or are you a PROUD father bragging about your young man to anyone who will listen to you?
[quote] and the criticism for out of shape middle age men is nothing more than sorry grapes [/quote
So if in just as good or better shape than him and middle aged can I criticize him? I'm willing to gonna few rounds w Jonny.
I honestly don't care what he does off field. He should care. But he's too arrogant at this point. If he fails will he have the personal strength and courage to change his ways and work harder if he's not putting in the effort?
If his bosses tell him to tone it down he should. The reality is he's probably not the best QB on that roster now. Not will he probably be the best one after camp. Why should the Browns mortgage their future if he can't do what they ask.
Sure he's 20. That means he has contractual obligations to his employer. If he doesn't want to fulfill them let him find another job.
Not much to see here
If he can walk in to camp and handle the load, knows the playbook, etc. then this is a non-story. He is allowed to go out on his free time. However, if he comes in unprepared, can't perform on the field because he's hungover, etc. then his lifestyle is open for discussion.
Also, I would be wary of following football-related advice from the Browns.
There's a lot of get off my lawn sentiment on the topic of Manziel.