I know we lost Will hill and our defensive line isn't what it used to be but I can say it's hard to say that there is a better defense in the NFC East.
I haven't been really keeping up with the eagles, skins, and cowboys, so people that do, are we looking at having the best D in the division? I know we beefed up our secondary and once AGAIN our linebacker "core" is blah and with Beason hurt I can only imagine the "progress" were going to make on the defensive side of the ball. what is this the 5th Straight year of Spencer Williams? Right.
and hopefully Jason Pierre Paul has gotten the memo that it is certainly "not fuck around time anymore"
I apologize in advance if this thread is of any inconvenience to the BBI grateful. I'm just bored and are watching Game of Thrones. What the hell are they talking about on this show?
I'm more worried about DT. The most experienced pair just happen to be the Eagles startimg duo...from half a decade ago. There's no legit experience behind them. Can Hankins step up and replace Joseph? I think it's one of the keys to the D. One of the young guys is going to have to step up and at the very least grab the 3rd DT spot. It would be a boon if one of them (presumably Hankins) could earn a starting role.
As for the original question, the answer is: Yes!
Washington could have a decent defense....and the Eagles have the personal to be pretty good....both their secondary lack depth.
I have high expectation for the Giants defense....losing Hill and Beason are bad signs
Tuck has been a marginal contributor, Ayers is an upgrade.
. Joseph was strong, consistent and only good. Hankins will be almost as good against the run and will give an added pass rush. Moore showed that "explosive can't be taught" quickness last year on specials. At the least he should be a fine situational player. No reason to assume that Jenkins doesn't have another year left.
Cromartie, Prince ,Mcbride and the kid from Seattle might be the best in the business, more importantly, they permit Rolle to play his game.
It is reasonable to assume that JPP will be back. If that happens this will be among the best defenses in football and if he doesn't come back this still should be the best in our division.
Personally, I think this is the only team that can play with Seattle and San Fran.
Not sure that will be the case though.
I see what you did there.
That said, they have taken the hint that the NFL wants to protect QBs and placed the emphasis on defense in the secondary. If this group makes it into week one without serious injuries, I like their chances against the second tier teams. They have playoff talent IMO but you can probably cobble together an all-pro team with all the guys in the league that get incapacitated before the first snap.
I say supposedly in a tongue in cheek manner.
Beason is a leader. Rolle is a leader.. and there might be leaders on the team we dont know a thing about...
Cornelius Griffin replaced by Barry Cofield.. Barry Cofield replaced by Linval Joseph.. Linval Joseph replaced by John Hankins..
I have confidence in that..
JPP needs help from the other Dlinemen. If we can get another to create some havoc, perhaps Moore, it will help this D out immensley.
careful w/PFF rankings - mcbride was scrappy and rated highly @PFF but in reality we had to roll coverage and not blitz, similar to how u protect a weak-link OLineman.
this year w/Prince and DRC outside and T3 in the slot perry has no excuses. he has his field general in beason who never left the meeting room or let his voice stop being heard
we are the best in the division. If JPP returns to form we are one of the best in the NFL, potentially right behind SEA and SF imo
There are just too many question marks on this defense.....
Will JPP bounce back after two years of injuries?
Will Kiwi be the DE who finished strong last year, from the opening bell?
Ayers? I have no idea what he can do...
Hankins is now the starter....big difference doing spot duty, compared to being a starter, can he do it?
Moore....with Tuck gone, should get significant playing time as long as he stays healthy......Will he be mini me or Da Monstah?
I don't think Beason will be physically ready for the start of the season...just hope they don't rush him back, causing further problems.....McClain is the only other linebacker on the team......but we have no idea how good/bad he is.....Paysinger and Williams? They both took steps backwards last year.....
The loss of Will HILL hurts.....he was one of those guys that did not seem to be out of position, defensively.....a strong tackler.....but nothing special in the defensive passing game.....Stevie Brown is another huge question mark with that knee......We have Rolle......but he can't do it by himself.....the new guys have not played in this system...think there will be communication problems, like in the past, with Fewell's system?
And now the corners....which I think is the most overrated part of this defense....DRC is not a shut down corner....and he can be lazy/out to lunch at times.....Prince, up to now, has shown he is a solid corner, nothing else.....he is not a turnover machine, and has problems with large receivers.....If ever there was a season, where this guy has to step it up, it's this one.....Walter Thurmond was part of the Seattle defense, he was not the defense.....8 starts in 4 years with one int and BBI is excited over this guy?
Everyone thinks, even if this defense does not establish a pass rush, that this team will still be strong in passing defense.....I don't think so.....without a pass rush, this defense will be in trouble.....you know teams will double team JPP, and frustrate the crap out of him.....so unless Kiwi and Moore and Jenkins can help out, especially if Beason is not 100%, this could be a long season with the offense having growing pains.....
Oh, wait . . . .
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I'm afraid that LB will be a disaster again. Watch how the Giants D defends the TE and the slot and we'll see how good the Giants D is. My two cents - the D will be substandard. Good against bad offenses and terrible against good to great offenses. It doesn't matter how good the secondary is if the front 7 is below average to bad.
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Most likely, it will take them the first half of the season before they gel. I am an Eli Manning fan, but I wonder how he will adjust to a quicker paced game (Remember all of his "too much time" penalties), shorter passes (which were never his forte), & his lack of "touch" on screens & flares. Nevertheless, he is still "2 minute Eli," & there is no QB I would rather see getting his hands on the ball for the Giants, with his team on its own 20 , trailing by less than a touchdown, with time running out.
That said, I am still concerned with Eli's pass protection, especially left tackle, which I doubt has been fixed. Among the statistics I usually see, showing last year's disastrous season, the 31 sacks Eli took were among the highest in the league. No QB can complete a pass while flat on his back.
Another important stat from last year was 15 IRs, also among the highest in the NFL last year. Injuries in the NFL are as sure as death and taxes, so I was pleased to see the added depth we now have at DT, CB, S, & RB. I am concerned with the lack of such at LB ( Look how they have had to juggle & fit in rookie Devon Kinnard, with Beason out) & also at WR (if Cruz, Beckham, or Randle go out, neither Jernigan nor Holliday are proven receivers).
All of these unknowns add excitement to the coming season. Only 2 weeks to go b4 contact starts. GO GIANTS!
Since it's the ESPN Nation guys, I would take it with several grains of salt but the opportunity is there for the Giants since they basically finished with the Best Defense in the conference last year. (Insert obligatory comment about backup QB's distorting the stats.)
The bloggers all said the D was a question mark? I mean, everything is a question mark but at this point but that seems off to me. The D fared well (top 10) in quite a few categories last year and added some talented guys. As compared to the O, with a new interior OL, 2 new starting wideouts (assuming we see a of of 3 WR sets), a mostly new stable of RBs, and a new coordinator implementing a new system, the franchise QBs first in his decade with the team, I'd say the D is much less of a question mark.
I'm sure correcting me on this will cure cancer
1. It will be about pass rush - always has and always will be. If you cant pressure the QB, the secondary will have no chance regardless of who is there.
2. The offense. If they can not sustain drives and have as many 3 and outs as last year, the D will be worn out early
They have much better skill and depth at CB across the board, which will allow Rolle to stay at a position he does best
On the DL,I am hoping, and may be in the minority, that Kiwi has a very good year. It will be his 1st full year back from playing DE as full time player - that has got to be a big deal - body get acclimated to playing hand down