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Pat Traina's article today about 5 Sleepers got me

Bobby Epps : 7/8/2014 12:09 pm
thinking about the great (on paper) group of Corner Backs we have. It'll be interesting to see the battles in Camp.

IMO the locks are Prince, DRC and Walter Thurmond, to play CB and, in Thurmond's case, the Slot WR.

That leaves Trumaine McBride, Jayron Hosley, Charles James and Bennett Jackson.

Is this the year we go with 6 CBs, that is, all of the above except Hosley, who has a 4 game suspension.

If we go with 6 CBs, do we then go with only 4 Safeties?

A great problem to have. Too bad we don't have the same problems at LT, WR and TE.
Sorry, but the CB that Pat Traina mentioned was left off  
Bobby Epps : 7/8/2014 12:12 pm : link
my list: Zack Bowman.
Yeah...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/8/2014 12:27 pm : link
the numbers on the DL and DB are difficult to crunch.
I have to assume Hosley is out.  
LI NHB : 7/8/2014 12:30 pm : link
Bowman shined in early work, McBride really made strides, James has showed promise and savvy on ST and traditionally draft picks get an extra look.

Hosley has an interesting skill set but his size is an issue and his performance has been average at best. Not worth the dark cloud of poor behavior IMO.
I think McBride's pretty much a lock given how well he played  
Greg from LI : 7/8/2014 12:30 pm : link
That leaves 3 guys for the 5th CB spot.
Greg from LI; My final roster at this time has 5 CBs but I'm  
Bobby Epps : 7/8/2014 12:35 pm : link
thinking that 6 CBs might be better.

The NFL is a passing league, we will see a lot of 3 WR formations and we seem to have a pretty good group of CBs.

So, now I'm thinking we should go with 6 CBs and 4 Safeties.
I wouldn't be surprised if they kept 2 FBs as well  
mattlawson : 7/8/2014 12:40 pm : link
So the numbers could very well be hard to crunch.
I can't imagine that they keep 2 FB  
LI NHB : 7/8/2014 12:47 pm : link
given the depth questions in other areas. The offense will skew pass-heavy, despite their claims to remain steadfast on the run, and because of that either Hynocerous or Conner will be jobless.

6 CBs I would not be shocked with, especially with their tendency to tweak muscles throughout the year.
I can't imagine 2 FBs either.  
Randy in CT : 7/8/2014 12:59 pm : link
One will get their walking papers and the indication that if still available, they'd get a call back in the event of injury.
SINCE WE ARE JOINING  
old man : 7/8/2014 1:03 pm : link
the passing league craze to a 3 wide set keeping the 6th CB can both help the D team see as many of those formations as possible, and the O, if our CBs are shutting it down,to pick up on the nuances of beating good 3W D's, so the more the better.
Struggles, if any, on either side can only make the coaching and practices better because the focus can be on weaknesses.
Walsh was a master of that in SF;pitting the O vs D to build a D that could battle his own O.
I know every coach does that but BW took that to another level in SF; JimmyJ the same in Dallas.
RE: I can't imagine that they keep 2 FB  
OC : 7/8/2014 1:05 pm : link
In comment 11759146 LI NHB said:
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given the depth questions in other areas. The offense will skew pass-heavy, despite their claims to remain steadfast on the run, and because of that either Hynocerous or Conner will be jobless.

6 CBs I would not be shocked with, especially with their tendency to tweak muscles throughout the year.


I've said before we should let Hillis play the old Pascoe role, performing FB/HBack duties & save a roster spot or 2.
I'd rather keep two good fullbacks  
PEEJ : 7/8/2014 1:07 pm : link
than three mediocre TEs.
OC: I agree.  
Bobby Epps : 7/8/2014 1:10 pm : link
IF, and it's a big IF, Hillis can be a lead blocker from time-to-time, then we could eliminate the FB position because he can otherwise pass-block, catch passes and run a little bit.

That, then, would allow us to carry 6 CBs and 5 Safeties.

I remember last year when we lost to the Cowboys because we ran out of CBs and Rolle had to play CB.
It  
AcidTest : 7/8/2014 1:13 pm : link
will be McBride and James. Hosley is out for the first four weeks, so he won't even count against the roster. Jackson will get a mysterious injury so they can stash him on IR for the year.
RE: I'd rather keep two good fullbacks  
LI NHB : 7/8/2014 1:15 pm : link
In comment 11759164 PEEJ said:
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than three mediocre TEs.


Jerry & Co. appear to be enthusiastic about Robinson and Donnell. Kellen Davis is also a proven blocker, which makes me think he'll be there come cut day. I don't agree that we should keep 2 good fullbacks over 3 "mediocre" TEs, simply because it's not the same skill set. As someone who played FB in college, just because you have to learn all the duties of a TE/H/FB, does't mean you have the skill set to do it seamlessly. It's more for pre-snap shifts and motions then to actually fill in and perform. You keep your best FB and you keep your best TEs - they're not interchangeable IMO.
RE: RE: I can't imagine that they keep 2 FB  
LI NHB : 7/8/2014 1:18 pm : link
In comment 11759160 OC said:
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I've said before we should let Hillis play the old Pascoe role, performing FB/HBack duties & save a roster spot or 2.


This is a nice thought, but it's not Madden. Yes, Hillis played FB at Arkansas, but it's an entirely different position in the NFL. Additionally, he is being paid to play RB, where depth is also needed. The guy isn't going to like be thrust into a new role to start re-learning the position, and the Giants likely wouldn't ask him to.
One comment from a beat writer dutring OTAs  
WillieYoung : 7/8/2014 1:24 pm : link
was that there were almost 0 lead block plays when fullbacks were on field. Used more for misdirection.
Hosley  
jc in c-ville : 7/8/2014 1:26 pm : link
Stays for this year- it's the Giant's way.

See roster for the past decade and it's loaded with players in the 3-5 th round area that stick around in hopes of meeting their potential per Reese and the coaching staff.

Nothing says we fucked up more than cutting a rnd 3 player going into his 3rd year. Better to sweep it under the carpet and hope noby notices.
RE: I'd rather keep two good fullbacks  
Randy in CT : 7/8/2014 2:19 pm : link
In comment 11759164 PEEJ said:
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than three mediocre TEs.
Except you can put 2 TE's on the field at the same time on any given play. You need more TEs from a pure numbers standpoint.
An OL can always be used  
PEEJ : 7/8/2014 2:27 pm : link
as an additional blocking TE. Doesn't McAdoo have some backfield formations with 2 FBs ? an inverted wishbone?
PEEJ  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 7/8/2014 3:10 pm : link
it's called a "FUll House" backfield...

Can use 2 TE's and a HB.... or a FB,TE and HB...
RE: PEEJ  
LI NHB : 7/8/2014 3:17 pm : link
In comment 11759358 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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it's called a "FUll House" backfield...

Can use 2 TE's and a HB.... or a FB,TE and HB...


Agree that there are formations that could involve 2 FBs, but this is not a viable reason to keep 2 players to fill a role that can be done so with a versatile player at the RB or TE positions. It's only a minuscule piece of the offense set.

You need bodies at TE and one can't assume a FB can step in and fill that role, simply because he knows the motions. A good FB playing out of position is likely not better than a mediocre TE at his designed position.
RE: RE: I'd rather keep two good fullbacks  
Great White Ghost : 7/8/2014 9:45 pm : link
In comment 11759171 LI NHB said:
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In comment 11759164 PEEJ said:


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than three mediocre TEs.



Jerry & Co. appear to be enthusiastic about Robinson and Donnell. Kellen Davis is also a proven blocker, which makes me think he'll be there come cut day. I don't agree that we should keep 2 good fullbacks over 3 "mediocre" TEs, simply because it's not the same skill set. As someone who played FB in college, just because you have to learn all the duties of a TE/H/FB, does't mean you have the skill set to do it seamlessly. It's more for pre-snap shifts and motions then to actually fill in and perform. You keep your best FB and you keep your best TEs - they're not interchangeable IMO.
Hillis has his own role, is on the back 9 of his career and has an injury history.Coupled with TC AND MacAdoo saying, quite clearly, they are going to use the FB pos and keep a FB, I would assume we are keeping at least one.

Manningham isn't cleared, and may well start on PuP.I can see 2 QB, 4 RBs, 2 FBs, 3 TEs and 5 WRs. the only one that's a sixth woreth keweping is Manningham, and this assumes Holiday makes the roster.

the argument can be made that the FB overlaps the TE in his duties more than the RB does, and with the focus on a short Passing attack, I see good reason to keep 2 FBs who can block, or receive.The scheme makes the 6th WR less of a focus than in the past. Smart money says they start manningham on PuP and see who gets injured in the first part of the season, and bring him on when needed.
They have plays for Hillis and holliday.I don't see why you dont have a FB on the field at the same time, as that's another potential reciever. some people say they won't keep any FBs, some say one, some, like me hope they keep 2, for the simple reason that, talent wise, both the FBs are in the top 53 on the team as far as talent goes IMHO.they can block, and receive.on opening day, the 6th WR is not the best value to have, I don't think.9 OL is plenty.
thats 25.
also, you can go with 5 LBs like we did last year  
Great White Ghost : 7/8/2014 9:57 pm : link
9 DL is a given, and that will let you keep the 6 CBs and 5 safeties.Is Kennard, or Fox, better than James, or Berhe, to have on the roster, is what it may come don to. With a team that sets up most of it's plays with 2 LBs on the field and wants to protect against the deep ball, with a line that can supposedly stop the run, I'm not sure that's not the way to go on the defensive side. Best 53, I say, providing that there is enough overlap in abilities that they can substitute out guys comfortably at all 22 starting offensive and defensive positions.I trhink they can do that with 3 TEs, 2 FBs, 6 CBs and 5 Safeties if they determined those are the best 53.If i had to pick between fox and berhe i'd take berhe.If I had to pick between 2 FBs and starting a dinged up mario on PuP and going with 5 WRs , I'll tell you, I'd keep either conner or Hynoski over Talley or Harris as a 6th WR everytime.I could get more utility out of them, bottom line, and i'm willing to bet the starting FB has more receiving yds at seasons end than the 6th WR.ESPECIALLY if the emphasis is on a west coast short passing attack keep-the-chains-moving-keep-possession-offense.
Giants corners backs  
blue1986 : 7/9/2014 8:25 pm : link
Which corner is capable of making the pro bowl and has there been a Giants corner back make the pro bowl since Spider Lockhart.
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