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Andre Johnson :Would you trade for him and at what cost?

NYBEN : 7/11/2014 9:16 am
Since he is potentially on the trading block if you were JR would you trade for him? I know there are some salary cap issues to deal with and I believe Johnson would have to agree to a pay cut prior to being traded but just for fun what would you give up if anything for a 33 yr old top tier(or former top tier) WR. Call me crazy but I would trade Rueben Randle and a 4th round pick for him. As much as I love RR's potential I think what Andre Johnson can bring for 2 years is worth more.I think the Texans a team in rebuilding mode would jump at this deal. What do you guys think would you want Andre Johnson or does the cost and his age make this a deal that you would stay away from?
not unless the cost was minimal  
Greg from LI : 7/11/2014 9:18 am : link
Too much risk in a receiver well past age 30.
Yes  
CMicks3110 : 7/11/2014 9:19 am : link
I would, but I doubt they will.

Johnson would be a great with big blue. We are, in my opinion, in a bit of a win-now mode - coughlin is 68, eli is 33, this era of Giants football could close relatively quickly if we have a bad season, so why not make a run at an impact receiver with 2-3 years left of good football. Imagine a receiving core of Johnson, Beckham Jr., Cruz, Manningham, Jernigan. Would be fun to think about.

Doubt we do it though.
There's no way.  
Motley Blue : 7/11/2014 9:20 am : link
If Reese did that, Mara & Tisch should find his replacement as soon as possible.
It wouldn't surprise me to see a team like Cleveland toss a 2nd  
BurberryManning : 7/11/2014 9:22 am : link
at the Texans for him. Who knows if Johnson would want to ever play for a perennial loser though...
are you kidding me?  
robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2014 9:38 am : link
Look into the situation and if you know the Giants at all you know that is not happening. Out of all of our weaknesses you want to give away valuable assets for a WR? What are you smoking?
The Rams should scoop him up.  
Curtis in VA : 7/11/2014 9:39 am : link
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RE: are you kidding me?  
NYBEN : 7/11/2014 9:42 am : link
In comment 11763511 robbieballs2003 said:
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Look into the situation and if you know the Giants at all you know that is not happening. Out of all of our weaknesses you want to give away valuable assets for a WR? What are you smoking?
Dude ..this is just for fun...no one said they would do it.
The Patriots  
pjcas18 : 7/11/2014 9:43 am : link
will trade a 2nd round pick for him during training camp.

And Ryan  
pjcas18 : 7/11/2014 9:44 am : link
Mallett
Yes, I would give up RR for Andre Johnson  
Jimmy Googs : 7/11/2014 9:50 am : link
regardless of his age. He'll go a few more years, and even in decline will more than likely be more valuable than Randle.
RE: RE: are you kidding me?  
robbieballs2003 : 7/11/2014 10:05 am : link
In comment 11763531 NYBEN said:
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In comment 11763511 robbieballs2003 said:


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Look into the situation and if you know the Giants at all you know that is not happening. Out of all of our weaknesses you want to give away valuable assets for a WR? What are you smoking?



Dude ..this is just for fun...no one said they would do it.


Nowhere did I see that you said it was for fun as for the part that you said that "no one said they would do it," you said you would do that.
RE: Yes, I would give up RR for Andre Johnson  
Big Blue '56 : 7/11/2014 10:10 am : link
In comment 11763546 Jimmy Googs said:
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regardless of his age. He'll go a few more years, and even in decline will more than likely be more valuable than Randle.


That's silly imv
For a mid-to-late round pick alone, yes.  
Mike from Ohio : 7/11/2014 10:21 am : link
Would I give up Randle for Johnson? No.

You trade young players/picks for veterans when you are a piece or two away from legitimately contending. The 2014 Giants are not. They are rebuilding. The only exception I could see would be if an experienced lineman was available since protecting the investment in Eli is critical. WR is not a position we should be trying to bring in veterans with big contracts.
RE: RE: RE: are you kidding me?  
NYBEN : 7/11/2014 10:27 am : link
In comment 11763582 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 11763531 NYBEN said:


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In comment 11763511 robbieballs2003 said:


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Look into the situation and if you know the Giants at all you know that is not happening. Out of all of our weaknesses you want to give away valuable assets for a WR? What are you smoking?



Dude ..this is just for fun...no one said they would do it.



Nowhere did I see that you said it was for fun as for the part that you said that "no one said they would do it," you said you would do that.
Try reading the original post Robbie ..it really isn't that hard to miss
RE: RE: Yes, I would give up RR for Andre Johnson  
Joe in Cambridge : 7/11/2014 10:32 am : link
In comment 11763594 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 11763546 Jimmy Googs said:


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regardless of his age. He'll go a few more years, and even in decline will more than likely be more valuable than Randle.



That's silly imv
Why? With Beckham under contract for 5 years and Cruz 1 year into his contract extension, it seems unlikely that Randle will be here past his rookie deal.
Because Randle is on the upswing and Johnson, in addition  
Big Blue '56 : 7/11/2014 10:41 am : link
to his nearly annual injury concerns, is not..You need ar least 3 solid WRs in today's NFL..No reason RR can't be extended if he has a solid year, as I expect him to have..

Johnson is an old 33 imo
why would you, in the first place, give up Randle  
micky : 7/11/2014 10:46 am : link
For a 33 yr old backside of career wr in Johnson? I wouldn't be so down on Randle as sounding like many are
I think the idea is insane  
mrvax : 7/11/2014 10:47 am : link
Giants are fine with the WR position. The guy is 33 years old now, not 23. He's going to demand plenty of $ still.

I'd have to know what AJ would cost. He's just too old in NFL terms and you have to spread your team's cap money around.
But don't  
NYBEN : 7/11/2014 10:50 am : link
you guys think that having a proven guy like Johnson starting next to Cruz would be a huge addition to the offense, even if it's for only 2 years. Then you can draft a WR next year to be the "next in line" guy. R. Randle has a ton of talent and potential but is RR at his best as good as A. Johnson's at his best right now?
Its not silly imv BB56...  
Jimmy Googs : 7/11/2014 10:51 am : link
I am not a big supporter of trading away young guys, but Andre Johnson is still a monster receiver in this league and has slowed very little even with all of the QB problems in Houston.

It is also difficult to see that RR will reach his current level. Johnson also is the type of WR that fights for every catch and is tough as nails.

Giant offense would become immediately stronger.
Going for broke  
JonC : 7/11/2014 10:51 am : link
I don't think this roster is close enough to contend to risk it. He's not the same player he once was either, so you're likely to overpay for production given his cap hit.
RE: I think the idea is insane  
NYBEN : 7/11/2014 10:53 am : link
In comment 11763673 mrvax said:
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Giants are fine with the WR position. The guy is 33 years old now, not 23. He's going to demand plenty of $ still.

I'd have to know what AJ would cost. He's just too old in NFL terms and you have to spread your team's cap money around.
He's under contract ...really for him to get traded to any team that doesn't have cap room he would need to take a pay cut. Again this is just pre-camp chatter, nothing real is going to happen.
FYI  
NYBEN : 7/11/2014 10:56 am : link
He is due around 10 mil this season under his current contract. Most teams don't have that..from what I heard this morning only 5 or 6 teams could fit him under their cap right now.
Again, the OP spoke to Johnson likely  
Jimmy Googs : 7/11/2014 11:04 am : link
having to agree to a pay cut. So assuming that was the hypothetical the risk has been fairly mitigated, and a player of his caliber would be a big addition to an offense that scares no one.

Its just a hypothetical post guys...we all know the giants don't do stuff like this.
I love Andre Johnson  
NYGmen58 : 7/11/2014 11:06 am : link
but he is older and I would rather see Beckham and Randle at the X this year.

Don't sleep on Julian Talley either as a darkhorse to make the team as the 5th or 6th wr. I really like him.
Simple  
DG_89 : 7/11/2014 11:07 am : link
answer? No. Andre Johnson from 5-6 years ago yes. AJ now? No thanks. He's not what he used to be and now he's getting hurt and missing games. I'll stick to the young guys we already have
I am confused as to why people think Ruben Randell will be  
bhill410 : 7/11/2014 11:31 am : link
Here longer than his rookie deal / so essentially you would be getting much higher (albeit with an injury risk) production from Johnson over the same time period. Financially I don't think it would work but from a pure asset standpoint I would do Johnson for randle/4th in a heartbeat. He would instantly become the most talented skill position player we have had since plax in 07.

While Johnson wasn't vintage from last year he was still a top 5 receiver in the league and was a dominating force with a crappy qb when he was on the field.
I would absolutely  
Dnew : 7/11/2014 11:31 am : link
throw a 6th rd pick to the Texans for freakin Andre Johnson. Why not? Similar situation to the Beason deal last year that worked out pretty well.
of course he'd have to take a pay cut  
Dnew : 7/11/2014 11:34 am : link
and it'll never happen...but he would instantly make the Giants' passing attack much more credible.
No & no  
OC : 7/11/2014 11:36 am : link
Too much money + too much mileage = not cost effective.
Cleve. or Car.  
OC : 7/11/2014 11:38 am : link
Should be all over him, providing the price is right.
Assuming the team is a contender or near being a contender  
Patrick77 : 7/11/2014 11:40 am : link
I would trade a second rounder for him. Any other team doesn't make any sense IMO. If the Giants traded for him and it cost them a 2nd rounder it would be a decent deal IMO if the offensive line is even borderline average. The depth at WR would be ridiculous, and Cruz and/or Randle/Jerrigan/Beckum would most likely be left in very very favourable matchups all year. A team like the Patriots, Rams, Eagles, or 49ers if they had the cash I think it would be a great idea.
Who was the guy that thought  
bob in tx : 7/11/2014 11:40 am : link
Beason for a 7th round pick was nuts?
Cleveland  
NYBEN : 7/11/2014 11:42 am : link
is one of the teams mentioned to have the cap space to fit his 10 mil cap hit without him taking a pay cut. And they need a WR, but that would put him in the same situation he's in now, rebuilding team without a QB.
RE: Who was the guy that thought  
Patrick77 : 7/11/2014 11:45 am : link
In comment 11763785 bob in tx said:
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Beason for a 7th round pick was nuts?


There were a number of people, myself included who thought trading a 7th for a talented but limited (speed, coverage) MLB who at the time hadn't been healthy or shown to stay healthy in a long time in a losing season was a bad move. It worked out very well for the Giants, until Beason got injured. I assume Beason will come back healthy again and play great like he did last year.
So you gus would absorb a 10 million cap hit  
Blue Blood : 7/11/2014 11:50 am : link
for a 33 year old. oft injured player..


ok....
RE: So you gus would absorb a 10 million cap hit  
Patrick77 : 7/11/2014 11:53 am : link
In comment 11763803 Blue Blood said:
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for a 33 year old. oft injured player..


ok....


The ends justify the means. If a team won a superbowl with Andre Johnson playing a part in that no one would doubt the decision.
RE: So you gus would absorb a 10 million cap hit  
NYBEN : 7/11/2014 11:58 am : link
In comment 11763803 Blue Blood said:
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for a 33 year old. oft injured player..


ok....
Again he would have to agree to a pay cut to be traded to ANY team except for the 5 or 6 that have enough cap space to absorb the 10 mil. The rumors are that he is willing to do whatever because he wants out of Houston so badly
RE: But don't  
section125 : 7/11/2014 12:03 pm : link
In comment 11763681 NYBEN said:
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you guys think that having a proven guy like Johnson starting next to Cruz would be a huge addition to the offense, even if it's for only 2 years. Then you can draft a WR next year to be the "next in line" guy. R. Randle has a ton of talent and potential but is RR at his best as good as A. Johnson's at his best right now?


No. Why would you think that RR right now is not or will not be better than AJ this year or next. I think this year in this offense Randle will be very good.
It'd be a tough sell for any buyer.  
Enoch : 7/11/2014 12:03 pm : link
He's hitting the backloaded years of his contract, and he's not a $10MM/season player anymore. Anybody making a trade is getting a bad deal.

Not a chance  
ZogZerg : 7/11/2014 12:03 pm : link
Too many other needs on this team.
RE: The Patriots  
dpinzow : 7/11/2014 12:07 pm : link
In comment 11763534 pjcas18 said:
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will trade a 2nd round pick for him during training camp.


That's the most likely scenario (Johnson to Pats for a pick) considering the relationship between BOB and Little Bill
i'd throw a 3rd rounder for him  
RasputinPrime : 7/11/2014 12:08 pm : link
but i'm otherwise happy with the crop we have now.
Even though Johnson is declining,  
Ira : 7/11/2014 12:10 pm : link
he's still way better than Randle.
The cap hit is the only thing  
Doomster : 7/11/2014 1:13 pm : link
keeping him from going to the Pats....he wants to play on a championship team....so if they do acquire him, it will probably be a "Revis" deal where the contract will be cap friendly for the first year, and hell to pay the next.....the Pats may go all out this year, because Brady isn't getting any younger....
He is  
NYBEN : 7/11/2014 2:03 pm : link
already under contract ..No one can negotiate a contract with him except the Texans unless he is cut. If he takes a pay cut the Texans would have to do it then trade him.So Again the only teams that have a TRUE shot at getting him are teams with at least 10 mil in cap space
Before the draft I would have considered it  
ghost718 : 7/11/2014 2:30 pm : link
That way we could go in different direction with the 12th overall pick.But not now, with the way this team looks.

Realistically, I don't think Rick Smith would accept Jerry's offer of a conditional 7th and Cooper Taylor
bob  
GMANinDC : 7/11/2014 4:48 pm : link
there's a lot of people that thought the Beason for a 7th was nuts. And the reason that that thought it was nut is even nuttier..
1f 10%  
Chip : 7/11/2014 4:56 pm : link
of 4th round draft picks ma
oops  
Chip : 7/11/2014 5:00 pm : link
hit a wrong button. What % of 4th round draft picks make it in the NFL. Not very many. To get an established star would be worth it if the cap number is doable. I believe the Texans would eat the signing bonus on their cap and we would only have salary on ours. Giving up mid round drafts is not as important as some people think.
It's not what NYG would have to trade  
djm : 7/11/2014 9:26 pm : link
As much as how much they'd have to pay Andre the giant.
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