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Giants 2014 Positional Breakdown: Linebackers

Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/13/2014 9:03 am
FYI.
Giants 2014 Positional Breakdown: Linebackers - ( New Window )
Im scared to look  
Blue Blood : 7/13/2014 9:05 am : link
like seriously scared to look..
I agree with Kennedy's  
beatrixkiddo : 7/13/2014 9:15 am : link
final LB roster. This unit isn't as bad as it has seemed in the past, that is if everyone can stay healthy.Knocks on wood.
if beason can play 15-20 games  
aquidneck : 7/13/2014 9:22 am : link
Like he played 11 games last year, we're pretty good I think. I like the competition (on paper) among the outside/situational guys.

Key is Beason. If he's reduced to a part time role by injury we'll likely field a below league average unit once again.
"Keith Rivers and Spence Paysinger were solid...  
Jimmy Googs : 7/13/2014 9:32 am : link
in the teamís base 4-3 set while Jacquian Williams continued to establish himself as one of the better coverage linebackers in the game."

Connor - your comment above is way too nice for a group of guys that were barely tolerable. This threesome came up with a Grand Total of 2 sacks, 0 Ints and 0 Forced Fumbles last season. Now I am not suggesting these stats should tell the whole story but that is incredibly low production from 3 guys that to me just really take up space on the field.
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SanFranGiantsFan : 7/13/2014 9:33 am : link
Beasley's health is so freaking key. I hope he's back by the opener, but if he's at 100% by Week 2 or 3, I'll take that over rushing him back.
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Connor_Hughes : 7/13/2014 10:54 am : link
In comment 11765839 Jimmy Googs said:
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in the teamís base 4-3 set while Jacquian Williams continued to establish himself as one of the better coverage linebackers in the game."

Connor - your comment above is way too nice for a group of guys that were barely tolerable. This threesome came up with a Grand Total of 2 sacks, 0 Ints and 0 Forced Fumbles last season. Now I am not suggesting these stats should tell the whole story but that is incredibly low production from 3 guys that to me just really take up space on the field.


They were key in the Giants run defense.
I agree that if Dan Fox can contribute on specials  
Blue Blood : 7/13/2014 12:24 pm : link
he could push Herzlich off the roster..
I had to jump on that too....  
Doomster : 7/13/2014 12:26 pm : link
"Outside Beason, Keith Rivers and Spencer Paysinger were solid in the teamís base 4-3 set while Jacquian Williams continued to establish himself as one of the better coverage linebackers in the game."

Rivers was so solid, he wasn't re-signed....

I feel we have seen Paysinger's best, and it isn't enough.....

Where the hell does Williams get this "rep" he is one of the better coverage linebackers in the game? Has he ever "sniffed" an int? 16 PD's in 3 seasons? I have a hard time remembering one....against the run, he is a joke....

Have no idea what McClain can do until he get's out on the field...

Hope Beason isn't rushed back....but the Giants also can't afford to have him start the season on PUP....by the time he comes back, our playoff chances could be over...

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Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/13/2014 12:35 pm : link
Rivers wasn't on the UFA market very long. He was signed right away.
Sorry but I am not drinking the kool-aid  
Jimmy Googs : 7/13/2014 12:55 pm : link
on our "solid" Linebackers from last year.

Beason was the goods and then there was everybody else. And none of the "everybody elses" has a clue about being a solid run defender. Making tackles 5-7 yards off the line of scrimmage is taking up space imo.

Williams is decent against the pass. Paysinger is strictly a backup. And most of Rivers' tackles were running somebody out of bounds.







Doom and Gloom notwithstanding,  
Blackbeard : 7/13/2014 3:11 pm : link
Eric and Connor have lifted my spirits - a little.
This LB corps may be better than any they've had in years, BUT  
Red Dog : 7/13/2014 4:20 pm : link
they are still sub-standard when compared to the rest of the league.

Beason, McClain, and Manning were all available because their previous teams didn't want them at the price they would have had to pay to keep them. Paysinger and Herzlich (and Fox and Anderson this spring) came into the league as rookie free agents because no team thought enough of them to draft them coming out of college. And other than Beason and McClain pre-injuries and pre-NYG, none have shown anywhere near enough to be considered for any kind of all-anything honors.

So this is another unit that may be upgraded for this season, but remains in need of considerable further upgrades.
The LBs aren't a concern  
BillT : 7/13/2014 4:52 pm : link
They are plenty good enough for their role on the D. Beason will be back sooner rather than later and the development of Williams is important as he can be a 3-down player. Having him on the field on early downs makes the pass defense against RBs an TEs more consistent. A young guy like Kennard is a hopeful sign things are starting to break our way.
The Defense put together in the off season looked great  
gersh : 7/13/2014 6:08 pm : link
The secondary as the strength of the D is different for us Giant fans. I was very optimistic with DRC, Prince...Thurmond and Rolle and Hill

With Hill gone and Beason a question mark - the entire D looks different. I really liked our LBs with Beason and the secondary at full strength. If Beason comes back to play like last season, the LBs will still be much better than last season.
i hope  
Mr. Nickels : 7/13/2014 11:56 pm : link
both Herzlich and Fox make it
RE: Sorry but I am not drinking the kool-aid  
KingBlue : 7/14/2014 7:27 am : link
In comment 11765958 Jimmy Googs said:
Quote:
on our "solid" Linebackers from last year.

Beason was the goods and then there was everybody else. And none of the "everybody elses" has a clue about being a solid run defender. Making tackles 5-7 yards off the line of scrimmage is taking up space imo.

Williams is decent against the pass. Paysinger is strictly a backup. And most of Rivers' tackles were running somebody out of bounds.




Somebody has a clue about being a solid run defender when you can do this:
Against some of the leagueís best, the Giants played their strongest. New York held Jamaal Charles (KC) to 65 yards rushing, Matt Forte (CHI) to 67, Adrien Peterson (MIN) to 28, LeSean McCoy (PHI) to 94 in two games, Eddie Lacey (GB) to 27 and Marshawn Lynch (SEA) to 47.


I obviously did not reply correctly to googs' statement  
KingBlue : 7/14/2014 7:29 am : link
Somebody has a clue about being a solid run defender when you can do this:
Against some of the leagueís best, the Giants played their strongest. New York held Jamaal Charles (KC) to 65 yards rushing, Matt Forte (CHI) to 67, Adrien Peterson (MIN) to 28, LeSean McCoy (PHI) to 94 in two games, Eddie Lacey (GB) to 27 and Marshawn Lynch (SEA) to 47.
The D-line really stepped up in the run game  
Jimmy Googs : 7/14/2014 8:17 am : link
agaisnt those top RBs, especially the DT rotation.

And when Hill came back, then Rolle started creaping up all over the LOS. And then when Beason came on board, the run defense was one of the league's best.
There really wasnt much to love about this Giants team last  
Curtis in VA : 7/14/2014 8:56 am : link
season, but the way they stopped the run was really great. They couldn't rush the passer to save their lives, but the defensive line was very stout against the run. Probably should expect more of that this season. The linebackers will benefit. McClain isn't an all pro or anything but he should be a big upgrade over the fodder that was manning his spot last season.

We've seen a lot of guys get praised without pads and then when training camp comes around, and more importantly the games start, they disappear and in a season or two they're cut. Really hoping Kennard ISNT one of these guys. The Giants are due to finally hit on a LB.
Linval Joseph was key to the Giants' run defense  
SB : 7/14/2014 9:03 am : link
...not those palookas they've played at LB.
Kennard  
jLefty : 7/14/2014 9:59 am : link
If he's the real deal it would be great.
eric  
SBlue46 : 7/14/2014 10:41 am : link
Agree...I think fox beat hertz....but
hertz may make team by injury.
seems to have the luck of the Irish
kennard  
area junc : 7/14/2014 11:11 am : link
looks like the real deal in thud but more than any other position u find out about linebackers when live bullets r flying. will b watching him closely in the HOF game
DEVON  
Randy in CT : 7/14/2014 11:15 am : link
Kennard
Highlights - ( New Window )
thanks for posting those highlights  
gidiefor : 7/14/2014 11:27 am : link
RandySPN

he's pretty impressive!
Eric is right about Keith Rivers.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/14/2014 12:44 pm : link
He got low-end starter money from Buffalo, and he's already penciled in as their SAM. He must have looked OK on tape.

Paysinger is an adequate #4 on a team that figures to keep two starters (Williams and Beason) on the field in nickel sets. Obviously, nobody wants SP to take a lot of snaps. If he has to fill in for McClain while Beason is out, that's a significant downgrade at two positions. So, as others have said, Beason's health is key.

If the Giants have to play Roster Roulette in Week 1, LB might be a position to do it. I don't see Mark Herzlich or Dan Fox getting claimed off waivers. On the other hand, if Beason's foot remains an issue, they might have to go heavier at LB in the final 53.
nothing to see here.  
Victor in CT : 7/14/2014 12:55 pm : link
please disperse
I'm impressed by the Kennard highlights. Good foot speed  
Marty in Albany : 7/14/2014 3:17 pm : link
Good mobility and balance. Seems to know how to rush the passer and get into the backfield. Good pursuit angles. Bottom line: he makes plays. I think we've got a keeper.
Time will tell if Williams  
bc4life : 7/14/2014 3:18 pm : link
can hold up full time in run support.
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