in the team’s base 4-3 set while Jacquian Williams continued to establish himself as one of the better coverage linebackers in the game."
Connor - your comment above is way too nice for a group of guys that were barely tolerable. This threesome came up with a Grand Total of 2 sacks, 0 Ints and 0 Forced Fumbles last season. Now I am not suggesting these stats should tell the whole story but that is incredibly low production from 3 guys that to me just really take up space on the field.
in the team’s base 4-3 set while Jacquian Williams continued to establish himself as one of the better coverage linebackers in the game."
Connor - your comment above is way too nice for a group of guys that were barely tolerable. This threesome came up with a Grand Total of 2 sacks, 0 Ints and 0 Forced Fumbles last season. Now I am not suggesting these stats should tell the whole story but that is incredibly low production from 3 guys that to me just really take up space on the field.
They were key in the Giants run defense.
I agree that if Dan Fox can contribute on specials Â
"Outside Beason, Keith Rivers and Spencer Paysinger were solid in the team’s base 4-3 set while Jacquian Williams continued to establish himself as one of the better coverage linebackers in the game."
Rivers was so solid, he wasn't re-signed....
I feel we have seen Paysinger's best, and it isn't enough.....
Where the hell does Williams get this "rep" he is one of the better coverage linebackers in the game? Has he ever "sniffed" an int? 16 PD's in 3 seasons? I have a hard time remembering one....against the run, he is a joke....
Have no idea what McClain can do until he get's out on the field...
Hope Beason isn't rushed back....but the Giants also can't afford to have him start the season on PUP....by the time he comes back, our playoff chances could be over...
Beason was the goods and then there was everybody else. And none of the "everybody elses" has a clue about being a solid run defender. Making tackles 5-7 yards off the line of scrimmage is taking up space imo.
Williams is decent against the pass. Paysinger is strictly a backup. And most of Rivers' tackles were running somebody out of bounds.
they are still sub-standard when compared to the rest of the league.
Beason, McClain, and Manning were all available because their previous teams didn't want them at the price they would have had to pay to keep them. Paysinger and Herzlich (and Fox and Anderson this spring) came into the league as rookie free agents because no team thought enough of them to draft them coming out of college. And other than Beason and McClain pre-injuries and pre-NYG, none have shown anywhere near enough to be considered for any kind of all-anything honors.
So this is another unit that may be upgraded for this season, but remains in need of considerable further upgrades.
They are plenty good enough for their role on the D. Beason will be back sooner rather than later and the development of Williams is important as he can be a 3-down player. Having him on the field on early downs makes the pass defense against RBs an TEs more consistent. A young guy like Kennard is a hopeful sign things are starting to break our way.
The Defense put together in the off season looked great Â
The secondary as the strength of the D is different for us Giant fans. I was very optimistic with DRC, Prince...Thurmond and Rolle and Hill
With Hill gone and Beason a question mark - the entire D looks different. I really liked our LBs with Beason and the secondary at full strength. If Beason comes back to play like last season, the LBs will still be much better than last season.
Beason was the goods and then there was everybody else. And none of the "everybody elses" has a clue about being a solid run defender. Making tackles 5-7 yards off the line of scrimmage is taking up space imo.
Williams is decent against the pass. Paysinger is strictly a backup. And most of Rivers' tackles were running somebody out of bounds.
Somebody has a clue about being a solid run defender when you can do this:
Against some of the league’s best, the Giants played their strongest. New York held Jamaal Charles (KC) to 65 yards rushing, Matt Forte (CHI) to 67, Adrien Peterson (MIN) to 28, LeSean McCoy (PHI) to 94 in two games, Eddie Lacey (GB) to 27 and Marshawn Lynch (SEA) to 47.
I obviously did not reply correctly to googs' statement Â
Somebody has a clue about being a solid run defender when you can do this:
Against some of the league’s best, the Giants played their strongest. New York held Jamaal Charles (KC) to 65 yards rushing, Matt Forte (CHI) to 67, Adrien Peterson (MIN) to 28, LeSean McCoy (PHI) to 94 in two games, Eddie Lacey (GB) to 27 and Marshawn Lynch (SEA) to 47.
agaisnt those top RBs, especially the DT rotation.
And when Hill came back, then Rolle started creaping up all over the LOS. And then when Beason came on board, the run defense was one of the league's best.
There really wasnt much to love about this Giants team last Â
season, but the way they stopped the run was really great. They couldn't rush the passer to save their lives, but the defensive line was very stout against the run. Probably should expect more of that this season. The linebackers will benefit. McClain isn't an all pro or anything but he should be a big upgrade over the fodder that was manning his spot last season.
We've seen a lot of guys get praised without pads and then when training camp comes around, and more importantly the games start, they disappear and in a season or two they're cut. Really hoping Kennard ISNT one of these guys. The Giants are due to finally hit on a LB.
Linval Joseph was key to the Giants' run defense Â
looks like the real deal in thud but more than any other position u find out about linebackers when live bullets r flying. will b watching him closely in the HOF game
He got low-end starter money from Buffalo, and he's already penciled in as their SAM. He must have looked OK on tape.
Paysinger is an adequate #4 on a team that figures to keep two starters (Williams and Beason) on the field in nickel sets. Obviously, nobody wants SP to take a lot of snaps. If he has to fill in for McClain while Beason is out, that's a significant downgrade at two positions. So, as others have said, Beason's health is key.
If the Giants have to play Roster Roulette in Week 1, LB might be a position to do it. I don't see Mark Herzlich or Dan Fox getting claimed off waivers. On the other hand, if Beason's foot remains an issue, they might have to go heavier at LB in the final 53.
Good mobility and balance. Seems to know how to rush the passer and get into the backfield. Good pursuit angles. Bottom line: he makes plays. I think we've got a keeper.
Key is Beason. If he's reduced to a part time role by injury we'll likely field a below league average unit once again.
Connor - your comment above is way too nice for a group of guys that were barely tolerable. This threesome came up with a Grand Total of 2 sacks, 0 Ints and 0 Forced Fumbles last season. Now I am not suggesting these stats should tell the whole story but that is incredibly low production from 3 guys that to me just really take up space on the field.
Connor - your comment above is way too nice for a group of guys that were barely tolerable. This threesome came up with a Grand Total of 2 sacks, 0 Ints and 0 Forced Fumbles last season. Now I am not suggesting these stats should tell the whole story but that is incredibly low production from 3 guys that to me just really take up space on the field.
They were key in the Giants run defense.
Rivers was so solid, he wasn't re-signed....
I feel we have seen Paysinger's best, and it isn't enough.....
Where the hell does Williams get this "rep" he is one of the better coverage linebackers in the game? Has he ever "sniffed" an int? 16 PD's in 3 seasons? I have a hard time remembering one....against the run, he is a joke....
Have no idea what McClain can do until he get's out on the field...
Hope Beason isn't rushed back....but the Giants also can't afford to have him start the season on PUP....by the time he comes back, our playoff chances could be over...
Beason was the goods and then there was everybody else. And none of the "everybody elses" has a clue about being a solid run defender. Making tackles 5-7 yards off the line of scrimmage is taking up space imo.
Williams is decent against the pass. Paysinger is strictly a backup. And most of Rivers' tackles were running somebody out of bounds.
Beason, McClain, and Manning were all available because their previous teams didn't want them at the price they would have had to pay to keep them. Paysinger and Herzlich (and Fox and Anderson this spring) came into the league as rookie free agents because no team thought enough of them to draft them coming out of college. And other than Beason and McClain pre-injuries and pre-NYG, none have shown anywhere near enough to be considered for any kind of all-anything honors.
So this is another unit that may be upgraded for this season, but remains in need of considerable further upgrades.
With Hill gone and Beason a question mark - the entire D looks different. I really liked our LBs with Beason and the secondary at full strength. If Beason comes back to play like last season, the LBs will still be much better than last season.
Beason was the goods and then there was everybody else. And none of the "everybody elses" has a clue about being a solid run defender. Making tackles 5-7 yards off the line of scrimmage is taking up space imo.
Williams is decent against the pass. Paysinger is strictly a backup. And most of Rivers' tackles were running somebody out of bounds.
Somebody has a clue about being a solid run defender when you can do this:
Against some of the league’s best, the Giants played their strongest. New York held Jamaal Charles (KC) to 65 yards rushing, Matt Forte (CHI) to 67, Adrien Peterson (MIN) to 28, LeSean McCoy (PHI) to 94 in two games, Eddie Lacey (GB) to 27 and Marshawn Lynch (SEA) to 47.
Against some of the league’s best, the Giants played their strongest. New York held Jamaal Charles (KC) to 65 yards rushing, Matt Forte (CHI) to 67, Adrien Peterson (MIN) to 28, LeSean McCoy (PHI) to 94 in two games, Eddie Lacey (GB) to 27 and Marshawn Lynch (SEA) to 47.
And when Hill came back, then Rolle started creaping up all over the LOS. And then when Beason came on board, the run defense was one of the league's best.
We've seen a lot of guys get praised without pads and then when training camp comes around, and more importantly the games start, they disappear and in a season or two they're cut. Really hoping Kennard ISNT one of these guys. The Giants are due to finally hit on a LB.
hertz may make team by injury.
seems to have the luck of the Irish
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he's pretty impressive!
Paysinger is an adequate #4 on a team that figures to keep two starters (Williams and Beason) on the field in nickel sets. Obviously, nobody wants SP to take a lot of snaps. If he has to fill in for McClain while Beason is out, that's a significant downgrade at two positions. So, as others have said, Beason's health is key.
If the Giants have to play Roster Roulette in Week 1, LB might be a position to do it. I don't see Mark Herzlich or Dan Fox getting claimed off waivers. On the other hand, if Beason's foot remains an issue, they might have to go heavier at LB in the final 53.