Raanan: Chris Snee remains a unknown for NYG

but is it worth calling SF to inquire about a trade Alex Boone?

He's holding out....the Giants have some $$ right now and could potentially sign him to a long term deal. He's become a very good NFL Guard....big, physical, nasty, part of a winning program....I think he's a good fit with the Giants.

Maybe even if Snee if relatively healthy. My guess though is that Snee isn't better than 50/50 to be healthy or stay that way.

In comment 11769458 Andy in Boston said:

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but is it worth calling SF to inquire about a trade Alex Boone? He's holding out....the Giants have some $$ right now and could potentially sign him to a long term deal. He's become a very good NFL Guard....big, physical, nasty, part of a winning program....I think he's a good fit with the Giants.

Really like this idea. But I wonder if the Giants are looking to allocate that much cap to two guards.

And building the strength he was famous for, he may as well not play even if he becomes "healthy" enough to.

Moseley too...

Just thinking if they have the $$...why not stockpile as many good OL's as they can. Jon Jerry is certainly not a sure thing, questions around Beatty, Brewer, etc.

if they ever decided to move Pugh to LT. Then Moseley or Jerry at RG.

that Snee coming back was more of a smokescreen than anything else. Didn't tip their hand in the draft with him on the roster. A 2008 Chris Snee at 90% would help the team. He isn't the same player. There are better players on the roster or at least some with a higher upside at this point.

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Snee to start and possibly break down soon after. Those starting reps in camp should go to someone else if he truly is in bad shape.

But we've seen this before...Snee, Diehl, Baas, etc.

I think he retires before the end of the preseason. He's been a warrior for a decade. It's taken a toll.

First of all, how the hell did Snee pass the physical if he couldn't even make it thru the non-contact OTAs after a few days? Did the doctor just grab his balls and say "cough"?

Just surmising, and I do applaud the effort, but maybe Snee doesn't want to perceived as stealing the $1 mill so he is going to give it a go in training camp for a bit.

If by miracle he has no issues then great, but when he realizes the elbow (or hip) isn't holding up any better than he just retires.

we have seen it before. There's the axiom that the coaches are more in tune with the situation, as they actually see the players in practice and have access to the medical situation. Yet, time and time and time again, the fans accurately call out the situation while the coaches seem intent on forcing the situation, especially on the OL.

I said on another thread that Snee should not be counted on, and should be relegated to backup. IF he shows he can hold up and outplay the first stringer, he can go back to the top. all expectations are that he will be iffy on health and iffy on ability. Past production has no bearing here. He's in a situation where he needs to prove he still has it.

IMO.

I would feel so much better had Lewan fell to the Giants or the Giants moved up to get him. Having a Jumbo Elliot type would have stabilized the OL even if another position, like RG had issues IMO.

Today, a question at LT and RG. Imagine if Schwartz goes down. IMO, they needed Lewan

Not to count on Snee, he is the starter until it is proven he can't go. He has the team's trust. They're not gonna demote him or make him "earn" his job.

He's still on the roster as of this minute, so we're gonna have to wait it out and see.

But we should of cut bait on him in the offseason. The guy has a high probability of breaking down in the offseason.

As much as I admire and respect Snee, it was a colossal mistake to go into a season depending on him

walk out of the doctor's office and play. It means your injuries should heal fully and not become chronic injuries

on that prognosis...

Luckily Mosley has looked good so far and the coaching staff has been talking up Jerry so at least we have a few solid options. I wish that Snee would just retire now rather than take valuable practice reps away from Mosley, Jerry, and Richburg.

I don't know the logistics of it -- but did Snee's participation in these spring drills negate a trip to the PUP List ??

Maybe he needs the first few weeks of the Season to get his elbow in gear and start building strength, perhaps to return in October if needed.

I just hope that Snee does not eat up practice/playing time that the young guys could take advantage of...

I would say for a veteran depth off the bench and his experience is certainly of value... i just hope we are not starting him and continuing to do so if he is unable to perform ... meanwhile the younger guys are not getting that valuable playtime.

Snee won't last past week 4 (and I hate saying it).

it's been reported that Snee was getting a mil either way. If he didn't pass or was cut while injured, he was a due a mil as part of an injury settlement. By guaranteeing a mil, the giants got him to take a massive salary cut and get to see if he has anything left in the tank.

done. The contract was just to allow him a final "severance pay" out of loyalty, and to allow him to give it a go one last time during preseason just to make sure that it's over. My guess is that he retires before the season. I'd really hate to use a roster spot on him instead of a younger player. What a warrior, but he needs to retire.

In comment 11769464 BillT said:

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Maybe even if Snee if relatively healthy. My guess though is that Snee isn't better than 50/50 to be healthy or stay that way.

Unless Jerry physically doesn't recover from his knee surgery, it's pretty obvious he's going to be the starting RG if Snee can't go based on the staff's comments. Right or wrong.

over Jerry at this point.

In comment 11769889 fkap said:

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it's been reported that Snee was getting a mil either way. If he didn't pass or was cut while injured, he was a due a mil as part of an injury settlement. By guaranteeing a mil, the giants got him to take a massive salary cut and get to see if he has anything left in the tank.

Thanks man. Raanan seems to suggest something like that in his article but it wasn't clear.

...Chris Snee is going to reverse a 3-year slide and not only have a Pro-Bowl type year, but also lead the offensive line to one of its greatest years in modern Giants history.

Why, with all the quality starters and in-coming talent, I see this unit propelling the Giants to at least 12 wins, maybe even more!

is because he's family.

Thats it. Everyone and their mother can plainly see he is done. His body simply cannot hold up anymore. He's had a great career here, but its over.

He should not have been retained and he should not be on the field protecting Eli either.

and last year I get because he was taking one last shot with a core group who won a Superbowl just a few years prior....this year, he gets exposed...He has done little to nothing to improve the offensive line.

Jerry - BIG question mark
Brown in case Beatty isn't recovered? RIIIIGHT
Walton - hasn't played in two years
Richburg - could be good but he's a rookie potentially surrounded by less than adequate veterans.
Snee - restructured as a farewell going out as a mentor to the youngsters...he's done
Schwartz - looks like a solid signing

Those are the additions from last year when you factor that Snee didn't play in 2013.

How do they look?

Incumbents?
Pugh - solid rookie year but who knows what could happen after the league has a year of tape on you and a questionable supporting cast.
Mosely - Seriously?
Beatty - could start out on pup
Blocking TE may have improved
Scheme hopefully will help - but that's coaching not Reese.

Am I missing something?

predominately because of the addition of Schwartz and b/c Pugh has a year under his belt.

I know everybody is worried about Left Tackle. But even if Beatty is ready to go, not sure he brings that much more to the table than Brown. This is just going to be a weakness again so they will have to deal with it.

I really think the key is at Center. If Walton can play all 16 games and be consistent enough to prevent the A-gap pressure games defenses played all last season, then the O-line will be much more stable regardless of LT.

in the 'no worries, mate' category, but the outlook this year is far better than last. LT is the only place of dire concern.

...has its rewards...anybody else would probably be selling pizzas on the street corner by now.

...your words:

"I've always given Reese the benefit of the doubt... this year, he gets exposed...He has done little to nothing to improve the offensive line."

I wish i didn't agree with you, but I do agree with you because I'm not looking at the O-line through rose-colored glasses.

Somewhere in the BBI archive there's a post of mine that said in essence that Jerry Reese may lose his job if this O-line implodes a second year in a row.

that Reese is on thin ice. he has to turn this team around.

however, to allege he is not addressing the OL this year is absurd. He spent a second round draft pick on a C/G. Got a top tier FA G. Got a second tier C. Got a couple of lower second tier G's. There wasn't much out there in FA, and Reese did what he could.

Anyone who thinks the job is done, and this line is going to be the fab five is an idiot. Anyone who thinks the line could have been revamped into a fab five in one year is also an idiot.

I have my concerns, but I also think Reese did about as much as he could reasonably do. It's a multi year process.

being looked at as a backup only,ideally they need either walton or richberg to play center and the other OG,schwartz to man the other OG spot,pugh at OT and the best out of brewer/beatty/brown to take the other OT spot

if they NEED him to start week 1 then they will go thru the same early season collapse they did last year this team with a good OL is a contender without its a train wreck again

or any aspect of the team. He may turn out that he should, but he won't. This organization is extraordinarily reticent in changing GMs by their own choice.

Coughlin and Eli will be gone first and Jerry will get a chance to pick his guys at HC and QB and then if they flop, his job may finally come into question years from now.

In comment 11770554 silverfox said:

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...has its rewards...anybody else would probably be selling pizzas on the street corner by now.

yes, and that money could have been given to youth to help this team. Snee was a great Giant, but this is nothing more than a money grab. Some senior citizens don't have injuries and replacement to both hips and we expect him to be an effective starter.

he inherited a team at it's peak, and now it's on a decline. That isn't a killer. No one can stay on top forever. However, it is now his job to reverse the decline and build it back up. Whether he can do that or not will determine his future.

The pick his own coach thing is absurd. He inherited Coughlin, but he's had plenty of opportunity to replace TC if he wanted. At this point, TC is Reese's coach. Ditto for Eli being Reese's QB. After this many years, this is Reese's team. If it succeeds, he gets the credit. If it fails, he gets the blame.

And was one-and-done in the playoffs. I would hardly call that "at its peak."

not 'a' unknown

grammar people, grammar.

and no, it IS known, he is gimpy at best

I think his first year was 2008, when we went 12-4. That time frame is typically considered our high point in terms of dominance. The team was generally considered in need of rebuilding in the season or two preceding our last SB victory, but we hung on to capture another crown. People generally give Reese credit for the few successful drafts in the last few Accorsi years, so JR does get some credit for the team he took over, but by and large, he took over at a zenith, held it up and down for a couple of years, including another SB ring, but has been on an overall downward path.

Giants.com has Reese taking over GM duties Jan 2007. We then went 10-6 and on to SB victory. Then a kickass 2008 til Plax shot himself (hardly Jerry's fault).

They only make those changes when they absolutely have no choice but to. Look up their history. Nothing suggests that's going to change after this stretch of football.

They'll change the other two "main" components first, giving the him his shot at selecting a HC & QB (because, no, he hasn't had say in that matter and won't even be the main deciding factor when the time to change them is, as that'll come from above). That next era bombs, then maybe they'll be forced into that "no choice but to" stage, but that stage isn't now.

The only thing, FO-wise, that might change significantly any time soon is that Marc Ross might be let go.

nobody agree's on players,especially since fit to a system can make any player seam better or worse than they actually are

reese has been unlucky with injury he drafted some good players that just never got a real chance due to injury guys like terrell thomas,marvin austin and steve smith they also gambled on a few with regard to fit with the giants scheme and they didnt pay off either

he has struck gold in his time with the giants diehl,snee,bradshaw,steve smith,nicks(in his rookie years),jpp,kiwi

they won the superbowl in 2007 with key contributions from his entire 07 draft class and many of the 2011 team too

i really liked the last 2 drafts and they have a strong chance to contribute pugh,hankins and moore will be key this year last year could be his best draft since 2007

The fact remains that JR took over a team that had gone 8-8 the year before, a far cry from their 11-5 season the year before that. In both years, they were one-and-done in the playoffs. They were in no way, shape or form at their peak, zenith, or whatever else you'd care to call it. This was a team in transition, and in a lot of trouble.

They'd already fired their OC two games before the 2006 season ended even though statistically they weren't that bad on offense, ranking 11th overall, however their best offensive player retired at season's end. They fired their DC, who presided over their 24th-ranked defense, at season's end, too. And to say that their head coach was on the proverbial hot seat would be an understatement. This wasn't a high point of dominance, rather, it was a pretty low point all around.

JR didn't make a lot moves in his first year as GM, but the ones he did paid big dividends. The trade for Reuben Droughns is often overlooked, but Droughns became a good special-teamer for us, and a capable short-yardage back who scored six TDs. Kawika Mitchell got off to a slow start, but he came on strong down the regular season stretch and in the playoffs. A very good FA acquisition. JR also cut bait with Luke Pettigout and in his place put David Diehl, a move that was heavily criticized at the time, but turned out to be generally successful. Give JR credit for re-signing Shaun O'Hara, too...no small feat considering what Andre Gurode's contract did to the market. O'Hara made the Pro Bowl for the next three years (All-Pro in 2008).

And then there's the 2007 draft. No need to rehash the particulars. Almost everyone picked played a role in the Giants' first championship in 17 years.

less then 2 years after that draft class, how did they look?

nor am I calling him a genius.

as draft scout, he gets some credit for the team he took over, and, as you said, we had a stellar 2007 draft when Reese's name was on the dotted line. Additionally, the moves made during the 2007 off season were his.

But, by and large, the team he took over and which won a SB was Accorsi's team. The following year, that same team (with some additional moves by JR) was considered a powerhouse in the NFL. That was the zenith for this team over the last 10 years. Since then, it's been steadily downhill. I'm not saying Accorsi handed him a perennial powerhouse. Outside of 2008, at best we were basically a reasonable contender. We squeaked another ring out of the squad, but 2007-2008 was the peak for this team. There isn't a doubt in my mind that the team he took over is better than the team we saw last year. Like I said, you can't maintain a team forever and there are peaks and valleys, so I'm not alleging he drove a good team into the ground. I'm saying he took over at a reasonable high, and now the team is at a low. Whether his moves this year will turn the ship around remains to be seen.

JR has made some good moves. he's made some so-so moves. he's made some bad moves. the onus is completely on him to make this team into a reasonable contender once again. IMO, if he fails to do it, he's on thin ice.

...there are a thousand BBIers who -- for the past 3 years -- have seen some serious F-ing warning signs about an aging / deteriorating offensive line.

And have been crying to get this thing fixed through high draft choices.

WE are all amateurs.

Jerry Reese is not.

WE don't get fired for the f-up that is our offensive line.

Jerry Reese can!

Depend upon it.