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NFT: Cavs now willing to include Wiggins in trade

Jints in Carolina : 7/17/2014 3:41 pm
Ever since LeBron James returned to Cleveland, talks have intensified for All-Star power forward Kevin Love.
Rumors have surfaced that the Cavaliers wouldn’t include rookie swingman Andrew Wiggins in any possible deal for the Minnesota Timberwolves’ star.

A league source said on July 17 that the Cavs are now willing to trade the No. 1 overall pick in the 2014 draft.
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It was always posturing. They never had a shot in hell of not giving  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/17/2014 3:42 pm : link
up Wigging for this deal to happen.

Fixed it  
Danny Kanell : 7/17/2014 3:48 pm : link
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Rumors have surfaced that Lebron wouldn’t include rookie swingman Andrew Wiggins in any possible deal for the Minnesota Timberwolves’ star.

A league source said on July 17 that Lebron is now willing to trade the No. 1 overall pick in the 2014 draft.
LOL, good one DK!  
kmed : 7/17/2014 3:53 pm : link
Well, this should do it. Love will be on Cleveland and Lebron will have what he wanted...the easiest road to a finals appearance.
Man  
MookGiants : 7/17/2014 3:55 pm : link
what an asshole, going home to play on a very good team. Selfish prick definitely should have made things as difficult as possible so people can kill him down the road for only winning two titles
That would be lame  
illmatic : 7/17/2014 3:56 pm : link
I want to see Lebron mentor Wiggins to see what he could turn into. They would be fun to watch together too. Plus I'd like to see if Lebron can get it done surrounded by good young players with lots of potential rather than teaming up with fellow all stars. I know you want the easiest path to a championship but yeah. That's fun for Cleveland fans, not so much for everyone else.
I'd like to think the average basketball fan  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 7/17/2014 3:57 pm : link
Sees through all the feelgood, goin' home bullshit.
Clearly there are only 2 options.  
kmed : 7/17/2014 3:58 pm : link
The easiest path to a championship or the hardest path to a championship. Staying on Miami which just lost in the FINALS to finish what you started(not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4..) wasn't an option. When things get tough, Lebron will just run to the next easiest path.
RE: I'd like to think the average basketball fan  
dep026 : 7/17/2014 4:02 pm : link
In comment 11771319 armsteadeatslittlekids said:
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Sees through all the feelgood, goin' home bullshit.


I have been saying this from the beginning. He chose Cleveland cause they had a ton of young talent to go with some great trading assests. And nothing will change my mind as the days go on. And again... there's absolutely nothing wrong with LeBron choosing this option. If he feels that's his best way to win, then he should do what he wants. I have no problem with him signing with cleveland.

But this coming home angle is just a minor subplot to the whole story.
There's nothing wrong with him doing whatever he wants  
kmed : 7/17/2014 4:03 pm : link
because he's earned that right, but it's lame, for sure. He's running away from a challenge that he started just 4 years ago because he knows it's not going to be easy.
Kind of funny how this worked.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/17/2014 4:05 pm : link
Lebron goes to miami on a discount, to win. Villainized.

Lebron goes "home" for maximum dollars, signs a 2-year opt out deal hedging on the new TV deal to get an insane, likely never before seen payday, inherits a roster that could be set to win for the next 5 years, and goes to a team where he and his cabal of childhood friends can basically make the franchise their personal plaything.

Canonized.
or  
MookGiants : 7/17/2014 4:07 pm : link
he always planned on going back to Cleveland at some point and what better time to do it than now. I would agree with you if he ran somewhere else. Not Cleveland.

There has been talk of him going back to Cleveland for over 2 years now. Not just speculation and people throwing around bullshit. LeBron always planned on going back it was just a matter of when. No better time than now, where he is actually in his prime and can deliver those fans a title instead of coming back when he's 37 and cant bring a title.
The amount of energy expended...  
Chris in Philly : 7/17/2014 4:12 pm : link
by grown ass men to assign motives to every action the guy makes is bizarre. Especially fans of other teams who act like jilted lovers. I hope he defies the laws of physics and wins 100 rings just to shove it up everyone's ass.
Does it really take a lot of  
kmed : 7/17/2014 4:14 pm : link
energy though?
I am picturing you and dep...  
Chris in Philly : 7/17/2014 4:18 pm : link
and radar furiously pounding the keyboard with sweat pouring down your face as you scream "I hate Lebron" at the screen. I'm totally close, right?
Yes, you got 1 of the 3(chris), but  
kmed : 7/17/2014 4:22 pm : link
who cares what that dude does.

I never hated Lebron for going to Miami. That's where he chose to go to create his legacy. Cleveland effed up by putting crappy players around Lebron. He chose to go to Miami for a variety of reasons. I hated him because he didn't come to the Knicks, but that's just being a fan. If you aren't with me, I hate you. Just like I hate Derrick Rose. Just like a hated Jordan. Just like a hated Reggie Miller and Alonzo Mourning and everyone else that beat the Knicks.

This is different. He chose to go to Miami and I think he's running from the challenge by going back to Cleveland and using the "going home" crap to fool the slower fans.

That being said, it's just being a fan. I don't get too worked up over this stuff other than repeating myself a few times on a message board, but I'd probably be talking about painting my house or training my dog if I wasn't so whats the difference?
I also gained some respect for Bosh  
kmed : 7/17/2014 4:24 pm : link
for staying in Miami and not running to Houston. I'll never root for another team, but I'd love to see Miami take out Cleveland. That would be epic.
Not surprising  
Sammo284 : 7/17/2014 4:24 pm : link
I mean Wiggins may turn out to be a real good player, but he's still got a lot of filling in to do, and some development (probably a few seasons worth). Was Lebron going to expend a couple of his prime seasons waiting for that and having to mentor as well?

Lebron was never going to wait. With Irving, Lebron, Love, Cavs become an instant Finals contender and a heck of a good shot of bringing Cleveland a title sometime in the next few years.

Key is Cleveland will have to make sure it fills out enough of a quality bench.
kmed  
MookGiants : 7/17/2014 4:26 pm : link
he doesn't go back to Cleveland if he's not from there. The best free agent they ever signed was Larry Hughes.
RE: I am picturing you and dep...  
dep026 : 7/17/2014 4:26 pm : link
In comment 11771372 Chris in Philly said:
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and radar furiously pounding the keyboard with sweat pouring down your face as you scream "I hate Lebron" at the screen. I'm totally close, right?


Ummm... I have always said and still think this was his best decision. All I said I think it has to do more with winning than coming home.

I don't even know why you say I hate LeBron when I have given him more props outside a few posters.

LOL at respect for Bosh  
Sammo284 : 7/17/2014 4:27 pm : link
Miami panicked and gave him a MAX deal. He only stayed in Miami because he got more guaranteed money on the max deal by staying in Miami. He got his two rings.

And rumor has it his wifey wanted no part of leaving Miami to go to Houston.

Miami will be respectable the next season or two with Deng, Wade still at a so-so level, and Bosh, but they aren't going to win anything and in a few seasons will be a bad team with old declining players on bad deals and some cap problems.
If Wade plays a full season  
kmed : 7/17/2014 4:29 pm : link
and they win a title this year, does Lebron even leave? I'd highly doubt it.
Lebron's move to Miami  
Sammo284 : 7/17/2014 4:32 pm : link
was a tactical one mixed with some friendship. Wade was the straw stirring that whole Heat Dream team together.

Lebron is no dummy though moving forward. He can see how Bosh no longer plays the same way inside and how Wade is declining fast.

People think Lebron is taking the easy way out are looking at it on paper.

Lebron is now expected to win a championship in Cleveland. He's going back to a pressure packed environment with expectations.

He could have stayed in Miami for another 4 or 5 years and then gone and chased a ring as an aging vet on a close to Finals team.

People think superstars can do it alone. Even the big ones have had a running mate or a balanced supporting cast. They can't win championships on their star power alone. Cleveland surrounded him with a terrible cast the last few seasons he was there before. He saw it and ran at a better opportunity. He handled it terribly in terms of PR and arrogance, but anybody who couldn't see the tea leaves there the 1st time is kidding themselves.
That makes no sense.  
kmed : 7/17/2014 4:34 pm : link
Can you contradict yourself any more in 2 sentences?
He probably  
MookGiants : 7/17/2014 4:36 pm : link
doesn't leave if they win a title, but it would only have been delaying his return to Cleveland. He was always going to go back. if they won this year I think he would have opted in instead of opting out to go for 4 in a row, you're not leaving with the chance at doing something Jordan or Kobe didnt do.

Going back to Cleveland isnt something that just popped into his head 3 weeks ago when he looked up at their roster. A roster by the way that won what, 33 games in a pathetic eastern conference? Stick LeBron on any team in the east and they are probably the favorites. The idea that its some loaded juggernaut that he's walking into is BS.
LeBron is expected to win  
dep026 : 7/17/2014 4:37 pm : link
No matter who he plays for whether it's the heat, Cavs, or even the kings. That's the label all the best players in sports get. I don't think going back to Cleveland adds any oressure. LeBron expects to win and be the best and works his assistant off to be the best.

There is no extra pressure for Lebron now. I'll even go further and say that the other players will feel more pressure than lebron.
RE: kmed  
EricNY33 : 7/17/2014 4:38 pm : link
In comment 11771392 MookGiants said:
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he doesn't go back to Cleveland if he's not from there. The best free agent they ever signed was Larry Hughes.


No Mook. He doesn't go back to Cleveland if they have a roster like they had when he left. Going home is a nice story (although he left them high and dry 4 years ago and did it in such a manner that people destroyed him for it). But we need to stop with this "Oh it's so nice he went back home to finish what he started when he was drafted!" nonsense. He went back there because they have a team loaded with young talent. If not for that he NEVER goes back there. He reups with the Heat.
If Cleveland doesn't have Irving and they had the 5th pick this year,  
kmed : 7/17/2014 4:38 pm : link
does he go back?
why  
MookGiants : 7/17/2014 4:41 pm : link
would he go back in the prime of his career to be surrounded by shit? The idea that anyone would ever do that is bullshit. The timing was going to have to be right for him to go back in his prime, but he was always going to go back at some point. The timing just fit for it right now.

The best free agent Cleveland ever signed before LeBron was Larry Hughes. They aren't even anywhere near his radar if he wasn't from Akron. They could have the best team ever and he wouldnt consider it, no one ever considers going there as a big time player.
Exactly.  
kmed : 7/17/2014 4:43 pm : link
Ran from another challenge for the easy road. He made a decision to leave in 2010 for whatever reasons he had with the goal of winning like 6 championships in Miami and as soon as that got harder, he bolted. I think it says a lot about his character.
Luckily for him,  
kmed : 7/17/2014 4:44 pm : link
that easy road is "home".
the same idiots  
MookGiants : 7/17/2014 4:44 pm : link
who are ripping him and saying oh he only went back because of the talent there would be the same ones ripping his career if he stayed in Miami and only won 2 titles saying how he's overrated and all this other shit to minimize his career. No matter what he does, he can't win.
the idea  
MookGiants : 7/17/2014 4:46 pm : link
that its an easy road is BS. They'll be the title favorites because they have LeBron. Kyrie Irving is so good yet they have been terrible every single year he's been there. Wiggins hasn't played a single NBA game and likely will need a couple years to truly develop. If they keep him Wiggins will help LeBron down the line not so much this year.

Pick any of the top 10 teams in the east last year and put LeBron on them and they are instantly favorites to come out of the east, that's how good he is.
You just proved my point  
EricNY33 : 7/17/2014 4:46 pm : link
He wouldn't have gone back to shit because it makes no sense. He would've stayed in Miami. You're right about the timing being right, though, because Cleveland has just had 3 of 4 first overall picks. The irony is the reason they had them is largely because he left, which opens up a host of NBA conspiracy theories about their role in orchestrating this. I don't believe they did, but I've heard that angle by some of the NBA haters out there.
if he really  
MookGiants : 7/17/2014 4:47 pm : link
wanted the easy road just go sign with Chicago and take their 17 million dollars.

No, it's an easy road.  
kmed : 7/17/2014 4:47 pm : link
They just gave Irving a max deal, obviously they think he's a star and ascending(he is). They have a shit ton of assets to bring in another star or two as well. It's an easy road, no question.
RE: I am picturing you and dep...  
Vin R : 7/17/2014 4:50 pm : link
In comment 11771372 Chris in Philly said:
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and radar furiously pounding the keyboard with sweat pouring down your face as you scream "I hate Lebron" at the screen. I'm totally close, right?



LMAO
Eric  
MookGiants : 7/17/2014 4:52 pm : link
again, take that same Cavs roster and have LeBron born and raised in Atlanta, Georgia. Think Cleveland is ever an option?

No one would go anywhere to play with shit in the prime of their career. Somehow criticizing him for not doing that is quite funny.

It was a combination of home and roster. But without that being home, the roster never would have mattered.

Regardless of what their roster looked like I do think he would have gone back before his career was over. Not in the prime of his career like he is now, but he would have gone back.

He has the best of both worlds now, he can maximize his prime with good young players and go back home, and somehow people are criticizing him for that saying he took the easy road.

Who wouldn't take the easy road if it involved them going home to the place they want to be? That's something everyone would love. Home and the easiest road. How more perfect could it be for him? Why shouldn't he want that? Why should he willingly take the much tougher road and not go home?
An easy  
MookGiants : 7/17/2014 4:53 pm : link
road on a team that won 33 games last year in the Eastern Conference.

It's an easy road because LeBron is on the team. He can put any eastern conference team on his back to the nba finals at this point.
Obviously Lebron can carry any team,  
kmed : 7/17/2014 4:54 pm : link
he carried a garbage team to the finals, but don't be dense for the sake of being dense. They are extremely talented, they have a ton of ascending young players and they just needed a star to take them to the next level. They also will use their many, many, many assets to add veteran talent around Lebron.
RE: if he really  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/17/2014 4:58 pm : link
In comment 11771440 MookGiants said:
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wanted the easy road just go sign with Chicago and take their 17 million dollars.


I hate this argument. Going to a third team simply wasn't an option if this guy cares one iota about legacy. The best player on the planet going to a 3rd team in his prime to chase rings? Yeah, ok. He'd be labelled a mercenary and he knows that.

He had two options. Cleveland and Miami. Cleveland was far and away the better option, so he went there. It's simple. And I'm thrilled he decided to go there too. Upset that KLove is going there though.
RE: The amount of energy expended...  
chris r : 7/17/2014 4:59 pm : link
In comment 11771356 Chris in Philly said:
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by grown ass men to assign motives to every action the guy makes is bizarre. Especially fans of other teams who act like jilted lovers. I hope he defies the laws of physics and wins 100 rings just to shove it up everyone's ass.


You seem to spend just about as much time defending him.
anyone find it a little suspicious that  
chris r : 7/17/2014 5:01 pm : link
Cleveland gets 3 #1 picks after LeBron leaves, setting up the great feel good story of his return?
RE: anyone find it a little suspicious that  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/17/2014 5:02 pm : link
In comment 11771475 chris r said:
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Cleveland gets 3 #1 picks after LeBron leaves, setting up the great feel good story of his return?


Shut up
RE: anyone find it a little suspicious that  
Ash : 7/17/2014 5:02 pm : link
In comment 11771475 chris r said:
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Cleveland gets 3 #1 picks after LeBron leaves, setting up the great feel good story of his return?


No. The universe blows.
Can we all agree that this guy  
kmed : 7/17/2014 5:04 pm : link
ruins everything.
Trading Wiggins  
Johnm/Dallas : 7/17/2014 5:08 pm : link
If the Cavs can get Kevin Love it's really a no brainer. Love is something like 26 and the best PF in the league. That team will rock for a long time...
bad move if they do this  
hitdog42 : 7/17/2014 5:09 pm : link
love cant stay healthy, cant play defense, and wiggins looks the part out there, and would relieve defensive duties for lebron at times.
i hope the cavs dont make this trade.
it would be refreshing to see lebron lead the team of young cavs... now back to mercenary style...
As for better  
OldPolack : 7/17/2014 5:11 pm : link
team basketball none better than the Spurs.
Wiggins/Love  
Metnut : 7/17/2014 5:16 pm : link
trade is a win/win situation. CLE gets an elite scroer entering his prime and becomes the Eastern conference favorites. MN gets the #1 pick in a good draft, a player whose upside is through the roof. They can at least sell their fans on the idea that they got a good return for Love.
RE: Eric  
EricNY33 : 7/17/2014 5:18 pm : link
In comment 11771451 MookGiants said:
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again, take that same Cavs roster and have LeBron born and raised in Atlanta, Georgia. Think Cleveland is ever an option?

No one would go anywhere to play with shit in the prime of their career. Somehow criticizing him for not doing that is quite funny.

It was a combination of home and roster. But without that being home, the roster never would have mattered.

Regardless of what their roster looked like I do think he would have gone back before his career was over. Not in the prime of his career like he is now, but he would have gone back.

He has the best of both worlds now, he can maximize his prime with good young players and go back home, and somehow people are criticizing him for that saying he took the easy road.

Who wouldn't take the easy road if it involved them going home to the place they want to be? That's something everyone would love. Home and the easiest road. How more perfect could it be for him? Why shouldn't he want that? Why should he willingly take the much tougher road and not go home?


No I don't. I never denied that. MY argument is if Cleveland DIDN'T have the talent it has he NEVER goes there, home or not. He would've stayed with the Heat, which was the plan back in 2010, wasn't it? He's the one who said they were going to win more than 4, 5, 6, championships together. His plan wasn't 4 years and I'm out.

I don't begrudge him going back to Cleveland. It's awesome to play in front of your hometown, but let's stop with the prodigal son talk and all that nonsense. He chose them because their arrow is pointing up and Miami's is pointing down. Plain and simple.
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