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NFT: Happiness salary benchmark for each state

steve in ky : 7/17/2014 9:23 pm
Not sure I completely agree with their numbers but interesting none the less.

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Money can only buy happiness up to a point. But just how much you need to get to that threshold really depends on where you live, according to a new analysis by Doug Short, vice president of research at investment group Advisor Perspectives.

Short's analysis found that if you live in a place like Hawaii, where the cost of living is relatively high, you need to make $122,175 per year before some extra cash doesn't really translate into more happiness. In Mississippi, by comparison, the threshold at which more money stops making you happier is a lot lower: $65,850 per year.

How much money do you need to make in your state before more money doesn't really make you all that happier? We created a map so you could find out.

Here Is The Salary At Which Money Won't Make You Any Happier In Each State - ( New Window )
Your mileage may vary  
Marty in Albany : 7/17/2014 9:48 pm : link
A newer Stanford study directly contradicts the "happiness benchmark",  
kickerpa16 : 7/17/2014 9:54 pm : link
which uses an old concept (marginal utility of wealth).

They find that the more money you earn, the more you desire.

I've never placed much weight on these types of happiness benchmarks, as the studies are often pretty bad, coupled with relatively sloppy analysis.
Stanford study says differently... - ( New Window )
This is kind of a crappy study  
Berrylish : 7/17/2014 9:55 pm : link
does it include having kids? It's not terribly thorough. Too broad, seems like the writer was just given busy work.
If I had enough money to buy a bench, I think I could be very happy.  
shepherdsam : 7/17/2014 9:57 pm : link
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inorite??  
Berrylish : 7/17/2014 9:58 pm : link
zactly!
My wife  
Eli owns all : 7/17/2014 10:56 pm : link
and I make 90k and no where near my happiness level. Still stress on all your debt student loans, mortgage. Not that we ever missed a payment but It's very frustrating not to get jobs done around your house as you have to save all the time to do them. My happiness level would be 150k
Are these figures per person or HH?  
Knineteen : 7/18/2014 12:27 am : link
Regardless, I agree with these figures.
I take a pay reduction because my work/life balance is unreal right now. Would an extra 20-30% more really make me happier? Probably not.
Begin..  
Chris in Philly : 7/18/2014 12:56 am : link
uncomfortable over sharing...now.
i'm finally making killer money  
RasputinPrime : 7/18/2014 2:19 am : link
but damn if i'm not stressed and working around the clock. There has to be a sweet spot for everyone and I doubt it is tied to money as much as money/stress/people balance.
RE: Begin..  
Peter in Atlanta : 7/18/2014 7:15 am : link
In comment 11771796 Chris in Philly said:
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uncomfortable over sharing...now.


Too late.
Rasp  
Sammo284 : 7/18/2014 7:16 am : link
How much do you make and what do you do?
Sammo  
steve in ky : 7/18/2014 7:31 am : link
Why would you ask someone what they make?
Rasputin  
steve in ky : 7/18/2014 7:38 am : link
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i'm finally making killer money
RasputinPrime : 2:19 am : link : reply

but damn if i'm not stressed and working around the clock. There has to be a sweet spot for everyone and I doubt it is tied to money as much as money/stress/people balance.


I absolutely agree with you that happiness it isn't about the money.
It's a balance  
fkap : 7/18/2014 8:25 am : link
anyone who tells you money doesn't matter is full of shit. you need a basic amount to be comfortable. That basic amount is a grey area. Some people don't need TV. Others need the full digital HD humongous TV as a basic 'necessity'.

But ultimately, there's a minimum below which you are spending most of your energy simply trying to survive.

I think the study is an awkward way of assessing cost of living per state. Once you reach a minimum of ease of providing shelter and food, beyond that is all personal preference.

And even per state is a bad analysis. I'm in upstate NY. I don't have to worry about whether I'm getting ripped off of 25 sq feet in my living quarters, whereas in NYC someone was fretting over an apartment which was smaller than my bedroom.
fkap  
steve in ky : 7/18/2014 8:40 am : link
Of course money matters and lack of it where one couldn't afford the basics in life can certainly cause stress and problems. But that still doesn't mean that any amount of it will bring or guarantee happiness.

I agree with you that their numbers are a little arbitrary but their point is valid. Beyond a certain point more money doesn't bring your real happiness. Sure you can buy something that might give you or your family additional enjoyment but I think people sometimes confuse enjoyment for happiness. There are people with very little and struggle mightily who are genuinely happy and then there are people who can buy pretty much whatever they choose and are unhappy.
in the words of Spike Milligan  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/18/2014 9:18 am : link
"All I ask for is the chance to prove that money can't buy me happiness."

The problem is that while this is broken down by state, it is still not broken down enough to account for cost of living in certain areas. The happiness benchmark in NYC is nowhere near that of the happiness benchmark of say living in the Catskills.

I would much rather see happiness benchmarks broken down by some sort of localized CPI-- like perhaps the average cost of a gallon of milk, or something else like average rent per sq ft.
I have never read any of these  
Rick5 : 7/18/2014 9:23 am : link
studies, but my initial thought is that income is only one variable. "Happiness" is undoubtedly multifactorial. I put it in quotes because the operational definition of happiness is an important question in and of itself. Here's a more nuanced (and interesting) question (to me): What percentage of the variance in happiness can be attributed to income using a more inclusive set of predictors (e.g., health status)? Also, it is important to bear in mind that like all individual difference variables, "happiness" undoubtedly has some non-zero genetic contribution (a ubiquitous finding in behavior genetics research).
RE: I have never read any of these  
kickerpa16 : 7/18/2014 9:45 am : link
In comment 11771928 Rick5 said:
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studies, but my initial thought is that income is only one variable. "Happiness" is undoubtedly multifactorial. I put it in quotes because the operational definition of happiness is an important question in and of itself. Here's a more nuanced (and interesting) question (to me): What percentage of the variance in happiness can be attributed to income using a more inclusive set of predictors (e.g., health status)? Also, it is important to bear in mind that like all individual difference variables, "happiness" undoubtedly has some non-zero genetic contribution (a ubiquitous finding in behavior genetics research).


I think they, in the original study (by Kahnemann and Deaton) included these predictors. The impact of "income on happiness" is a huge question in economics, with impacts for welfare.

Like, huge impacts for welfare.

Never liked their study anyways, for the reasons you mentioned.
RE: RE: I have never read any of these  
Rick5 : 7/18/2014 9:58 am : link
In comment 11771955 kickerpa16 said:

I think they, in the original study (by Kahnemann and Deaton) included these predictors. The impact of "income on happiness" is a huge question in economics, with impacts for welfare.
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I am not surprised. I think a lot of media reports of scientific studies suck. They seem to very often present an overly simplistic summary of what was actually done when you look at the source article. Years ago, a friend of mine had a study on postpartum depression picked up by the national media (e.g., Fox, CNN). Some of summaries of the study presented the findings as basically the opposite of what he had actually concluded!
Whoops.  
Rick5 : 7/18/2014 9:58 am : link
Screwed up the quote.
Hah, yeah. I've had someone come and ask me if they could  
kickerpa16 : 7/18/2014 9:59 am : link
summarize my paper on health care comparisons across countries (magazine), and...it wasn't even close to what I said.

RE: RE: RE: I have never read any of these  
Rick5 : 7/18/2014 10:01 am : link
In comment 11771969 Rick5 said:
I am not surprised. I think a lot of media reports of scientific studies suck. They seem to very often present an overly simplistic summary of what was actually done when you look at the source article. Years ago, a friend of mine had a study on postpartum depression picked up by the national media (e.g., Fox, CNN). Some of summaries of the study presented the findings as basically the opposite of what he had actually concluded! [/quote]

I should clarify that Fox and CNN reports were accurate, but some of the others were way, way off the mark.
Wow -  
Rick5 : 7/18/2014 10:01 am : link
one of these years I'll master quoting.
A great, fun and funny book about  
SwirlingEddie : 7/18/2014 10:04 am : link
happiness around the world is...
The Geography of Bliss - ( New Window )
RE: Wow -  
kickerpa16 : 7/18/2014 10:20 am : link
In comment 11771976 Rick5 said:
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one of these years I'll master quoting.


Ha, I'm still not good at it.

Glad we got to catch up the other night.
Anybody that lives in NY/NJ  
GiantJohn : 7/18/2014 10:23 am : link
Knows 90 G does not cut it...
NY and California  
GiantFilthy : 7/18/2014 10:30 am : link
are snooty Mr. Fucking High Pockets and need to get the fuck over themselves and shit.
RE: RE: Wow -  
Rick5 : 7/18/2014 10:39 am : link
In comment 11771997 kickerpa16 said:
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In comment 11771976 Rick5 said:


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one of these years I'll master quoting.



Ha, I'm still not good at it.

Glad we got to catch up the other night.


Yeah, I had a great time. I wished I could have stayed later. There is no shortage of interesting things to talk about! Let me know if you come back for winter break.
Sounds good. Think I'll be back sometime  
kickerpa16 : 7/18/2014 10:40 am : link
in December for a while.
RE: Anybody that lives in NY/NJ  
dorgan : 7/18/2014 10:46 am : link
In comment 11771999 GiantJohn said:
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Knows 90 G does not cut it...


NY is bigger than the metro area.
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