NFT: MH17 conspiracy theories..Putin assassination attempt???

it would be very interesting, just amazing how quickly details and voice recordings hit the internet yesterday.

would fly over a "restricted" Ukraine airzone.

Putin's plane wouldn't be equipped with countermeasures.

seems a little odd the Putin's plane would follow that route after the MH17 plane was shot down. Could you imagine Air Force One flying over an area where a plane was just shot down 45 min earlier? (let alone the 3rd plane in the last week)

It is a Putin puppet. The Ukraine army did not have missiles in that area, but the separatists did. Why would they want Putin dead?

this sounds more like an attempt to deflect blame with a semi-plausible alternative scenario. It's not a coincidence that Russian separatists were the first ones on scene, it's because the territory seems less "disputed" than under their effective control.

Ukraine. It's rather amazing. Russia arms separatists who kill 300 civilians. Russia then blames Ukraine for trying to assassinate Putin as an excuse to go to war with Ukraine.

when shit like this actually gets a following.

So much stupid being reported, which makes the good reporting harder to decipher.

just stay away from infowars and you're good.

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"I couldn't do it anymore," she told Buzzfeed. "Every single day we're lying and finding sexier ways to do it."

'Every single day we're lying': Russia Today reporter resigns over coverage of Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash - ( New Window )

This is nonsense from a State Run propaganda arm of Putin. After 24 hours, it's pretty clear cut on what happened, unless you want to believe in conspiracies.

that's all.

In comment 11772277 M in CT said:

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just stay away from infowars and you're good.

Nope...you'll be surprised how many other "reputable" news source report bunk based on flimsy sources just because they want to be the first to report on new developments.

Let's just say that I spent all day yesterday following this very closely as a job...and it was rather interesting seeing what was being reported before anything could be confirmed beyond merely speculation.

is the post-Soviet Pravda. Don't take it seriously.

In comment 11772282 steve in ky said:

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Quote: "I couldn't do it anymore," she told Buzzfeed. "Every single day we're lying and finding sexier ways to do it." 'Every single day we're lying': Russia Today reporter resigns over coverage of Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash - ( New Window )

Let me guess: she is an attractive young woman and she will be on talk shows all next week telling us about her crisis of conscience? as if she took a job at Russia Today thinking it was a reputable news source

book and film deal to follow

went to work for RT in good faith thinking it was a reputable organization. That's why RT went for young people - mostly fresh out of school. They had great operations, infrastructure, technology, etc. and paid well. That's all you can see up front. It takes a while to figure out what upper management is really like. That's true for many organizations.

But go ahead continue to hold this against people for most of whom this was a first job.

I second that. Well said

In comment 11772289 RC02XX said:

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In comment 11772277 M in CT said: Quote: just stay away from infowars and you're good. Nope...you'll be surprised how many other "reputable" news source report bunk based on flimsy sources just because they want to be the first to report on new developments. Let's just say that I spent all day yesterday following this very closely as a job...and it was rather interesting seeing what was being reported before anything could be confirmed beyond merely speculation.

I was being sarcastic because the source was Daily Mail. oh well.

In comment 11772310 RB^2 said:

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went to work for RT in good faith thinking it was a reputable organization. That's why RT went for young people - mostly fresh out of school. They had great operations, infrastructure, technology, etc. and paid well. That's all you can see up front. It takes a while to figure out what upper management is really like. That's true for many organizations. But go ahead continue to hold this against people for most of whom this was a first job.

If young people took the job thinking it was legit, they must have grown up in a bubble. Fairly common knowledge
that Russia Today is a propaganda organ for Putin. It would be kinda like taking a job as a dancer at Hustler Nightclub and being shocked that they wanted you to take off your clothes

to miller a thread, but if you want one good explanation why Russia is still so fucked up today, read "Deathride" by John Mosier, particularly the last chapter.

Much of this still is the result of WWII.

In comment 11772328 oipolloi said:

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If young people took the job thinking it was legit, they must have grown up in a bubble. Fairly common knowledge that Russia Today is a propaganda organ for Putin. It would be kinda like taking a job as a dancer at Hustler Nightclub and being shocked that they wanted you to take off your clothes

I don't think I agree with this. Someone born in 1991 is now 23 years old. Many of these young people fresh out of college never lived during the Soviet years or Cold War years and grew up in a time period where Yeltzin was drunk on the White House lawn laughing it up with Clinton, followed by Bush saying how Putin is a good guy because he looked into his eyes and saw his soul, followed by Obama sending around a literal reset button.

I really don't agree with the whole living in a bubble situation. The turn on Putin in the Western media didn't really start until the Georgia conflict in 2008. They grew up in a time period where a positive relationship in the post Soviet era was pushed not only by American politicians but also American media.

Putin would fly that same route, with all the danger involved with it

he has wrestled bears before and lived to tell the tale. the man is invincible.

In comment 11772310 RB^2 said:

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went to work for RT in good faith thinking it was a reputable organization. That's why RT went for young people - mostly fresh out of school. They had great operations, infrastructure, technology, etc. and paid well. That's all you can see up front. It takes a while to figure out what upper management is really like. That's true for many organizations. But go ahead continue to hold this against people for most of whom this was a first job.

Great post.

Also throw in the thoughts that they likely see it as a mechanism with which they can help shape a better world, and you see parallels to this with other youth movements throughout history.

In comment 11772415 montanagiant said:

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Putin would fly that same route, with all the danger involved with it

And in a plane that did not have countermeasures, present on Air Force 1 and many El Al planes, that would have prevented interception.

Supposedly they were all involved with HIV/AIDS research? However, my theory is like many of yours.... Whoever did it, and I think it was the rebels with Russian help, saw an aircraft and said, hey, they have to be military or spies, right? And then that was it.

All those involved, seriously need to hang. This is pure murder, plain and simple.

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http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/over-100-hiv-experts-and-advocates-may-have-been-board-crashed-malaysian-plane - ( New Window )

In comment 11772453 EdS said:

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Supposedly they were all involved with HIV/AIDS research? However, my theory is like many of yours.... Whoever did it, and I think it was the rebels with Russian help, saw an aircraft and said, hey, they have to be military or spies, right? And then that was it. All those involved, seriously need to hang. This is pure murder, plain and simple.

Not sure if it was 100, but many scientists were traveling to Perth for an AIDS/HIV conference, including a world class researcher.

Dr. Joep Lange.

by the guilty party to make the other party look like the culprit.

Unfortunately, many people will.

They did not purposefully target a commercial passenger plane. They were looking to score a hit and a poorly trained team, probably someone that scored a hit earlier, removed all countermeasures and just fired away. It was probably just some guy in a smokey cubicle of a hot truck having a cig and drinking a Russian version of Coke acting in an overzealous manner.
Shooting down passenger jets is bad for business and even worse for PR and Putin would have nothing to do with it for that reason alone.

That said, it was Russian supplied equipment, probably Russian trained unit, probably using Russian commsats and being coordinated by someone close to the border. They have some blood on their hands, that's for sure but to assume this was a purposeful act in retaliation for Putin's presidential plane getting painted is jumping the gun IMO.

In comment 11772453 EdS said:

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Supposedly they were all involved with HIV/AIDS research? However, my theory is like many of yours.... Whoever did it, and I think it was the rebels with Russian help, saw an aircraft and said, hey, they have to be military or spies, right? And then that was it. All those involved, seriously need to hang. This is pure murder, plain and simple.

Yeah, if you think about it that way, the scumbag separatists might have killed a lot more than just the 298 on board

In comment 11772366 Eric from BBI said:

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to miller a thread, but if you want one good explanation why Russia is still so fucked up today, read "Deathride" by John Mosier, particularly the last chapter. Much of this still is the result of WWII.

Eric,
The Russian mindset predates World War II. Considerably.

In comment 11772453 EdS said:

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Supposedly they were all involved with HIV/AIDS research? However, my theory is like many of yours.... Whoever did it, and I think it was the rebels with Russian help, saw an aircraft and said, hey, they have to be military or spies, right? And then that was it. All those involved, seriously need to hang. This is pure murder, plain and simple.

Exactly. The rebels had an irrational exuberance from a few previous shoot downs and determined the skies over 'their territory', no matter what altitude, belonged to them. If you fly over 'our territory', we will assume you're the enemy and take you down.
Unfortunately, you really have to notify the rest of the world of your policies.
These rebels and their Russian handlers are Barbarians, plain and simple. Logic escapes them.

In comment 11772507 newmike2 said:

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They did not purposefully target a commercial passenger plane. They were looking to score a hit and a poorly trained team, probably someone that scored a hit earlier, removed all countermeasures and just fired away. It was probably just some guy in a smokey cubicle of a hot truck having a cig and drinking a Russian version of Coke acting in an overzealous manner. Shooting down passenger jets is bad for business and even worse for PR and Putin would have nothing to do with it for that reason alone. That said, it was Russian supplied equipment, probably Russian trained unit, probably using Russian commsats and being coordinated by someone close to the border. They have some blood on their hands, that's for sure but to assume this was a purposeful act in retaliation for Putin's presidential plane getting painted is jumping the gun IMO.

This.

If you have been following the situation in that region, you probably saw reports of Russian-backed separatists targetting Ukranian military aircrafts. As much as the media likes to sensationalize news, many times ill-trained fighters will make huge mistakes. This may have been one of those.

And while this article lacks details, it does point out that the Russian-backed separatists have been going after Ukrainian aircrafts...even shooting down a few just a few days prior to the Malaysian airline incident.
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from the Atlantic sister magazine Quartz highlights the friend or foe identification problem with the suspected anti-aircraft missile system that shot down the airliner
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by the rebels, what happens to the chucklehead who just opened up the biggest PR disaster their cause has seen?

Do they give him a little dirt nap?

shoot down Putin's plane? Or are they trying to say that the Ukrainians did it. Which if they did would be great.

That was the plane they shot down Monday. A propeller transport with a ceiling of 21k.

How these knuckleheads could possibly program the guidance system and radar for a jet flying straight at 500 mph at a fl of 32k is the part of this fiasco that makes no sense at all.

I don't think you're going to use an advanced mobile weaponry system like a Buk and think you're shooting at a cargo plane flying well below commercial airliners.

Too many holes to believe this was a mistake by idiots.

supplied the personnel, leadership, weapon systems and tactics. So whether or not it was an "accident" and that they were trying to kill somebody else, the blood is all over Putin and his henchmen's hands. May they rot in hell.

counting crows for music..they have no clue of what the cold war was all about

In comment 11772685 buford said:

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shoot down Putin's plane? Or are they trying to say that the Ukrainians did it. Which if they did would be great.

The Ruskies in Ukraine said that the Ukes targeted Vlad's plane earlier in the day which is possible but not reason to justify what went down. They are grasping at straws and hoping to run out the clock on this one. If the US doesn't lead on this, we will never really be able to reveal what happened so expect this to go by the wayside before the midterms.

intercept of the conversion between the missile launcher and the Russian handler/advisor, it is pretty clear who shot the plane down. They played that all day yesterday on CNN. Seems like the believed it to be a Ukrainian supply plane.

Like Ronnie said, a poorly trained missile crew operating a sophisticated piece of equipment that made a huge mistake.