I enjoyed reading this article and am genuinely thrilled to see what Phil can do. He may be the only person capable of changing the dynamic of this franchise.
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100% agreed. It is like we can see a glimmer of light through the darkness.
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I have no doubts that this team has a shot to do something great but it's gotta hit some hrs over the next year or so. Gotta hope some of the kids from this year's team take a step forward. Larkin, hardaway, early, etc...Gotta hit on that rookie pick next year. Gotta hit on that FA or trade market next year. They don't need to be perfect but they need to be pretty damn good on most transactions. The great thing is they have a shot. They have legit resources and flexibility. Let's roll.
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They paid for the 'still in the prime DPOY level' Tyson Chandler and Felton at least playing capable PG like he did at times here. If they are both still capable of performing at that level then the trade was quite fair.
If not, we got the better end of the deal by far. Either way, it was an excellent deal orchestrated by Phil to reconstruct the roster with players who are a better fit for his system.
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How often as a Knicks fan do you say, "wait we included that and that in the trade too?!" As a Knicks fan it seems we are always getting hosed in deals. Always giving up way more than it seems would be needed to make a deal work, even when other teams had little leverage in sign and trade scenarios. But this deal finally turned the tables. We were able to use an asset in a quality big in Chandler (albeit a borderline worthless offensive player and vastly overrated defensive player at this point)...to unload rotten Ray Felton. And in return we got a great PG in Calderon who should fit triangle beautifully. That alone would have been enough. But then we also got Dalembert who can really help replace Chandler. Dalembert has as much offensive game as Chandler, rebounds as well, and at this point is nearly as good defensively (helped out much being that he is still a rim protector with a good ability to block shots). But that wasn't enough...let's have them throw in their 1st rounder from last year in Shane Larkin. A speedy PG who was the ACC player of the year his sophomore year when he entered the draft. Wow how did Phil pull this off. Oh wait there is more, let's also have them throw in their high 2nd rounder (pick in the 30's) and see if we can get a useful player being that we don't have a draft pick...and then we get a fringe 1st rounder in Cleanthony Early. What an absolute steal of a trade. I was also not so sure on Phil as an executive but was hopeful. But after that trade...In Phil I trust.
They paid for the 'still in the prime DPOY level' Tyson Chandler and Felton at least playing capable PG like he did at times here. If they are both still capable of performing at that level then the trade was quite fair.
If not, we got the better end of the deal by far. Either way, it was an excellent deal orchestrated by Phil to reconstruct the roster with players who are a better fit for his system.
That's the point that made it a great trade - even if Chandler returns to close to his top level, he wasn't going to be part of Phil's plan here
Based on what Phil wants to do with the Knicks, Chandler for Calderon straight up might have even been fair...a quality starting PG who fits the system for a very good but injury prone center who doesn't.
The fact we unloaded that bum Felton too and also got 2 more players and 2 usable draft picks was awesome
This looks an offense that Melo could really thrive and become an even more complete player in.
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How often as a Knicks fan do you say, "wait we included that and that in the trade too?!" As a Knicks fan it seems we are always getting hosed in deals. Always giving up way more than it seems would be needed to make a deal work, even when other teams had little leverage in sign and trade scenarios. But this deal finally turned the tables. We were able to use an asset in a quality big in Chandler (albeit a borderline worthless offensive player and vastly overrated defensive player at this point)...to unload rotten Ray Felton. And in return we got a great PG in Calderon who should fit triangle beautifully. That alone would have been enough. But then we also got Dalembert who can really help replace Chandler. Dalembert has as much offensive game as Chandler, rebounds as well, and at this point is nearly as good defensively (helped out much being that he is still a rim protector with a good ability to block shots). But that wasn't enough...let's have them throw in their 1st rounder from last year in Shane Larkin. A speedy PG who was the ACC player of the year his sophomore year when he entered the draft. Wow how did Phil pull this off. Oh wait there is more, let's also have them throw in their high 2nd rounder (pick in the 30's) and see if we can get a useful player being that we don't have a draft pick...and then we get a fringe 1st rounder in Cleanthony Early. What an absolute steal of a trade. I was also not so sure on Phil as an executive but was hopeful. But after that trade...In Phil I trust.
They paid for the 'still in the prime DPOY level' Tyson Chandler and Felton at least playing capable PG like he did at times here. If they are both still capable of performing at that level then the trade was quite fair.
If not, we got the better end of the deal by far. Either way, it was an excellent deal orchestrated by Phil to reconstruct the roster with players who are a better fit for his system.
That's the point that made it a great trade - even if Chandler returns to close to his top level, he wasn't going to be part of Phil's plan here
Based on what Phil wants to do with the Knicks, Chandler for Calderon straight up might have even been fair...a quality starting PG who fits the system for a very good but injury prone center who doesn't.
The fact we unloaded that bum Felton too and also got 2 more players and 2 usable draft picks was awesome
It was a great trade for sure. I'd highly recommend watching the vid I linked above. It's really well done and paints a good picture of what the triangle offense looks like.
It kind of has me excited because I could see a guy like Bargnani really resurrect his career playing in this offense (if he can stay healthy). His talents could really fit in this system well. We have a real system now and our execution level should really take off this year.
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How often as a Knicks fan do you say, "wait we included that and that in the trade too?!" As a Knicks fan it seems we are always getting hosed in deals. Always giving up way more than it seems would be needed to make a deal work, even when other teams had little leverage in sign and trade scenarios. But this deal finally turned the tables. We were able to use an asset in a quality big in Chandler (albeit a borderline worthless offensive player and vastly overrated defensive player at this point)...to unload rotten Ray Felton. And in return we got a great PG in Calderon who should fit triangle beautifully. That alone would have been enough. But then we also got Dalembert who can really help replace Chandler. Dalembert has as much offensive game as Chandler, rebounds as well, and at this point is nearly as good defensively (helped out much being that he is still a rim protector with a good ability to block shots). But that wasn't enough...let's have them throw in their 1st rounder from last year in Shane Larkin. A speedy PG who was the ACC player of the year his sophomore year when he entered the draft. Wow how did Phil pull this off. Oh wait there is more, let's also have them throw in their high 2nd rounder (pick in the 30's) and see if we can get a useful player being that we don't have a draft pick...and then we get a fringe 1st rounder in Cleanthony Early. What an absolute steal of a trade. I was also not so sure on Phil as an executive but was hopeful. But after that trade...In Phil I trust.
They paid for the 'still in the prime DPOY level' Tyson Chandler and Felton at least playing capable PG like he did at times here. If they are both still capable of performing at that level then the trade was quite fair.
If not, we got the better end of the deal by far. Either way, it was an excellent deal orchestrated by Phil to reconstruct the roster with players who are a better fit for his system.
That's the point that made it a great trade - even if Chandler returns to close to his top level, he wasn't going to be part of Phil's plan here
Based on what Phil wants to do with the Knicks, Chandler for Calderon straight up might have even been fair...a quality starting PG who fits the system for a very good but injury prone center who doesn't.
The fact we unloaded that bum Felton too and also got 2 more players and 2 usable draft picks was awesome
It was a great trade for sure. I'd highly recommend watching the vid I linked above. It's really well done and paints a good picture of what the triangle offense looks like.
It kind of has me excited because I could see a guy like Bargnani really resurrect his career playing in this offense (if he can stay healthy). His talents could really fit in this system well. We have a real system now and our execution level should really take off this year.
Thanks for sharing that video - the idea of the Knicks moving with a purpose without the ball seems so anathema to what we've watched them do for years...will be fun to watch, even if it takes them a little while to get all the right players and learn to run it smoothly
Here's the thing though, they looked pretty damn good running it in Summer League going 3-0 in the process. If the rooks can do it with a decent level of execution just 3 games in, I think our top rotation vets will pick up on it fairly quickly too.
It's exciting and looks like when executed properly there is almost always a wide open shooter or a player springing open for a strong drive to the hoop off a pass.
Hardaway Jr. looks like he could explode in this O. I bet this is why maybe Phil has been hesitant (from the rumors at least) to include him in any deals.
Looked pretty good so far in Summer League too. Well rounded talent. Lets see how he grows in the new system.
No system will help him grow. It all comes down to him being more focused and helping himself grow.
Please tell me you're joking.
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the triangle offense has been the offense of 11 of the last 24 NBA champions. If true, that's pretty amazing.
Please tell me you're joking.
IT'S AMAZING
Ellington may not play much, if at all, but his $2.5 mm is guaranteed. The team appears to want one more natural 3, because they aren't sure that Early is ready yet, even though they like him at lot. That 3 would take the last spot. That's why they are thinking about bringing Meta back to camp. Tyler only becomes guaranteed for the amount over $100,000 if he is on the squad on 9/15.
So, if they can't find someone to take Ellington, or give up Bargs or Amare plus a player to get one player back, or trade Shump, they are short a spot.
Pretty good article on Tyler's situation linked, with some comments on the triangle.
I think Tyler finds a spot somewhere, so the Knicks won't be able to stash him in the D-League like they did last year. Btw, some observers have said that Shannon Brown has looked really good when given a chance to play, and there doesn't appear to be any room for him either, even though he knows the triangle. Galloway will probably make it to camp, but then the D-League or Europe, probably.
But back to Tyler, it will be awfully difficult to keep him past the 9/15 cutoff unless they decide to go with Early plus Shump or Smith at the backup 3. If they acquire another guaranteed 3 before then, they don't have room to guarantee Tyler unless someone else goes. Even if they give Meta a training camp slot, they can't guarantee Tyler, so he will have to stay on a non-guaranteed basis, or take another offer if he gets one. I am betting he gets one.
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He played overseas for two years before the draft, in very few games, and after being drafted, he hardly played and rarely got any coaching. In the 2011-12 season, he was cut and went back to the d-league. He was with the d-league much of last year, re-signing with the Knicks on 12/31/12. There would have been little time after that to work on fundamentals. I have no doubt that he was largely ignored by Woodson and Co., who had other things on their minds. So, he had absolutely no consistent, quality coaching, ever, and he looks like it.
He is far from stupid, but in terms of fundamentals, he is still way behind. He has great body, a good mind, and some real upside. Someone has to commit to him, or it will never come out. I am confident that Jackson and Fisher know this. The question is whether there is room to keep him until the light goes on. With the 9/15 deadline to guarantee his contract, there is a very high chance he ends up elsewhere,
unless he wants to play on the Westchester d-league team and
wait for an opening. He gets $100,000 that is guaranteed already plus the d-league contract in the meantime.
Smith was a typical Jackson move, btw. He found a player worth more than the available slot, except that he is coming off a knee injury. So, Jackson was able to get him to sign for a single year at a position of need, with an opportunity to prove himself. His incentive to bust his ass is sky-high.
One question: if JR opts out, the Knicks sign one max cap player and one $10mm type player, and then re-sign JR, can they offer Josh Smith a contract if he proves himself? For how much?
Smith was a typical Jackson move, btw. He found a player worth more than the available slot, except that he is coming off a knee injury. So, Jackson was able to get him to sign for a single year at a position of need, with an opportunity to prove himself. His incentive to bust his ass is sky-high.
One question: if JR opts out, the Knicks sign one max cap player and one $10mm type player, and then re-sign JR, can they offer Josh Smith a contract if he proves himself? For how much?
when did the knicks get josh smith?
Dalembert should be an off the bench guy when you need someone to protect the rim and give some hard fouls. In no way, shape, or form should he be a starter.
In all honesty I think they should just deal with Aldrich's growing pains and give him serious minutes in the beginning of the season. Give him that constant green light even after bad games just so he gets comfortable and we see what he can really do when relied upon.
My gut tells me we see Stat and Bargnani starting as the 2 big men, and I'm shit scared. I'd prefer Aldrich to start and Bargnani/Stat at the 4.
Well, I'm hoping Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher.