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NFT: Opinions on Public Corporal Punishment?

CromartiesKid21 : 7/20/2014 2:11 pm
I was at Rite Aid the other day and witnessed a kid (likely 6-9) throwing a temper tantrum for something he had wanted as his father stood in line waiting to pay at the register. The father having enough, either tolerating his kid or the embarrassment he felt in a public setting promptly picks the boy up by his left arm smacks his behind three times and proceeds to head for the exits as he leaves the shopped for items behind since his kid had put his screams into gear 6.

I couldnt help but cringe at the course of actions I'd had just witnessed. But didnt feel wise to intrude in another's ways of parenting. The other 5 customers on the line/vicinity along with the cashier didnt react much at all to the occurrence, presumably in lines with my thinking at the time.

Is Corporal Punishment in a public setting a social taboo, or a lesson that is necessary to teach during the moment? Curious on opinions
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No offense man...  
Dunedin81 : 7/21/2014 12:31 pm : link
but do you actually have kids? "Reasoning" with a three year old that a hot stove is hot, that an electric socket can do without a fork and that a street is not dangerous is more difficult than you suppose. Does that mean a swat on the backside or a smack to the back on the hand is the only way to make it work? No. But that doesn't mean that people who occasionally resort to those methods are Neanderthals.
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steve in ky : 7/21/2014 12:31 pm : link
In comment 11774676 Kyle said:
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I would say she was, though I would consider the paddle/switch/stick to the backside to be abuse and "hit badly", thus my wording.


I would agree, but that is not how I would describe a loving discipline incorporating a few swats to the rear end.

People are lumping in any beating with the word "spanking".

That would be like someone saying well when you talk to your child you must be screaming, belittling and cursing in their face.
steve  
Matt M. : 7/21/2014 12:31 pm : link
Excellent point. That's kind of what I'm getting at.

Sure, I guess as a steadfast rule an absolute no spanking home could mean that there is no physical abuse, which is great. But, it doesn't guarantee there is no abuse of any kind in that home and it doesn't guarantee the kids are better parented or better off.
Kyle  
Greg from LI : 7/21/2014 12:32 pm : link
I generally enjoy debating/arguing with you, but since you have no children I'm not about to take parenting advice from you because you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

If you're talking about actual abuse, people who whip their kids with belts or wooden spoons or whatever, then I agree with you. If you're talking about a swat on the butt, that's completely different.
And to clarify,  
Matt M. : 7/21/2014 12:33 pm : link
I obviously referenced better off to those without spanking, not in relation to physical abuse. I hope it goes without saying (but I am saying it anyway) that in no way, shape, or for, do I advocate physically harming or abusing a child. I see absolutely no positive outcome there. i just want to point out there is a difference.
This should be an interesting read regardless of  
Wuphat : 7/21/2014 12:36 pm : link
which side you come down on.

I post without further comment other than FYI.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/corporal-punishment-in-the-home-parenting-tool-or-parenting-fail/ - ( New Window )
Matt  
steve in ky : 7/21/2014 12:38 pm : link
Absolutely, nobody should advocate beating or punching a child. The problem is for some people they apparently can't discern the difference when they hear "spanking".
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Kyle : 7/21/2014 12:41 pm : link
I wouldn't expect anyone to take advice from me on most anything.

I find the notion that "you don't have kids, you don't know how you need to spank a kid's ass" to be laughable, though, because then I wonder "well, what would these same people say to my parents for how they handled their situation?".

No-nonsense blue-collar people, too, not New Age let the kid break things to express his inner self yuppie parents.
I would like to add what you see is not always what you think you see  
Matt M. : 7/21/2014 12:41 pm : link
An example is a child with special needs who may have sensory issues. Sometimes (often?) children like this require certain sensory inputs to help facilitate the process of calming themselves. To one person, an interaction between a parent and this child could appear to be a hug. To another it could be squeezing the child too tightly. the reality is, that child may simply need a certain type of pressure in a certain part of their body to trigger other physical and cognitive processes.

And Hell, to some, what appears to be a hug would be the wrong thing anyway as some would perceive that as rewarding a tantrum or poor behavior. The bottom is each child is unique in their behaviors and needs. Without real knowledge of that child and parent combination, most judgements should really be reserved.
Wuphat  
Matt M. : 7/21/2014 12:46 pm : link
I started reading that piece. It is very interesting. Where I have a problem is the assumption that a child who was never spanked will turn out much better than one who has been spanked. there are plenty of kids who are not spanked that don't turn out OK at all for a variety of reasons. They may not be disciplined in any way. They may have chemical imbalances that have been undetected or untreated. Etc.
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Dunedin81 : 7/21/2014 12:48 pm : link
In comment 11774727 Kyle said:
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I wouldn't expect anyone to take advice from me on most anything.

I find the notion that "you don't have kids, you don't know how you need to spank a kid's ass" to be laughable, though, because then I wonder "well, what would these same people say to my parents for how they handled their situation?".

No-nonsense blue-collar people, too, not New Age let the kid break things to express his inner self yuppie parents.


Whenever you hear an expectant parent say "I'll never let my kid watch children's TV" check back in three years, after they've realized laundry and dishes won't do themselves. Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel when it comes to parenting, but sometimes things happen for a reason. And that reason isn't that the 80% or whatever that article says of parents who spank want to brutalize their children, or are lazy or stupid. Some are lazy and stupid and some flirt with abuse, but for the great mass of them they do it because if used judiciously it seems a reasonably effective means of correcting bad or dangerous behavior.
Dunedin  
Matt M. : 7/21/2014 12:53 pm : link
Exactly. Plus, the article talks about when it doesn't work and the only natural course of action being to ramp up the intensity. Huh? As many have said here, spanking is often combined with meaningful communication so the child is aware why they were spanked. In many case, the Pavlovian affect after one or two time, will result in the corrected behavior.

On the flip side, he mentions the superior effectiveness of timeouts and removing privileges. I can say that we have tried several methods with one of my sons. All of them had success for a limited window and then were lost on him. there is no end all, be all.
Another thought  
steve in ky : 7/21/2014 12:54 pm : link
Simply reacting out of anger and striking you child is wrong and takes little investment on the parents part.

Simply telling a child no or giving them a five minute time out and nothing more takes little investment on the parents part.

Taking the time to attempt to explain and best communicate that their maturity will absorb, whether that involves a few swats to the bottom or not is a lot harder to stop and do when you having a stressful or busy day. They key is loving them enough to invest that time. The child will know the difference.
Matt  
Wuphat : 7/21/2014 12:54 pm : link
I don't think the author proposed that.

What he's saying is that the without spankings, the hypothetical kid would have also turned out fine, and might have turned out better.

He's not saying that the kid would definitely have turned out better.

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But in any one individual case, it very well may be true that an adult who was submitted to recurrent episodes of corporal punishment as a child has turned out just fine. Of course they would have almost certainly turned out just fine if they had never been spanked. They might have turned out better though.


I don't necessarily agree with the "of course" statement, but I also don't think he's said what you've classified as an assumption that they would have been "much better off".
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Pork and Beans : 7/21/2014 12:54 pm : link

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Some are lazy and stupid and some flirt with abuse, but for the great mass of them they do it because if used judiciously it seems a reasonably effective means of correcting bad or dangerous behavior.


Like the parent in the OPs example? That's effective? The kid screamed louder and the parent had to leave the store. I don't hit my kids for any reason, but I can guarantee that no matter how tired my kid is, that my use of a time out in the store and a quick discussion with him would have produced a better outcome for everyone.
well if that's what worked for your parents, good for them  
Greg from LI : 7/21/2014 12:54 pm : link
I'm not advocating other people to spank if they don't want to. I'm saying that I do it infrequently to stop extreme misbehavior, and I categorically reject the idea that this constitutes child abuse.
Timeouts, especially with younger children...  
Dunedin81 : 7/21/2014 1:00 pm : link
do take time. And they're not always particularly effective. For an older kid the mere fact of a timeout is usually enough but for our two year old you have to sit there with him for two minutes, explain (to little or no comprehension) what he did wrong and then find some method of atonement. It doesn't register because he's two. We do it anyway because he doesn't understand taking things away and because we use corporal punishment sparingly, but the alternatives aren't always particularly effective at a young age.
Dune  
steve in ky : 7/21/2014 1:02 pm : link
If that was addressed to me you need to re-read my post, you missed my point.
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Dunedin81 : 7/21/2014 1:05 pm : link
In comment 11774775 steve in ky said:
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If that was addressed to me you need to re-read my post, you missed my point.


It wasn't expressly to contradict your post but I was responding to it. Just pointing out that the issue can be better understood as child development in between particular milestones (the ability to do dangerous or mean things and the ability to respond to logical cues) than the primacy of one method over another.
Wuphat  
Matt M. : 7/21/2014 2:06 pm : link
It was the use of "of course" that I specifically took exception to.
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