Don't shoot the messenger.
I know this has been discussed quite a bit here in the last week or so in light of the article from Jordan Raanan but I just heard from a source that Snee will in fact announce his retirement before training camp begins.
A very close friend of mine is an attorney in New York/New Jersey and an attorney his department is an agent for a few NFL players.
Every now and then he will toss me a few pieces of info and he has been correct in the past.
I am not guaranteeing accuracy, but his text was
"Chris Snee will retire tomorrow. You heard it here first."
Again, don't shoot the messenger, just passing along information.
Snee was/is no longer an elite guard and I'm not sure I would say he would even be in the top 50% in the league anymore. NYG won't miss much if he does indeed retire.
The biggest blow is that it takes a bite out of the depth chart...a part of the depth chart that is among the weakest on the roster.
John Jerry appears to be the starter at RG, which you have to be OK with but no completely sold on. Talent wise he has the goods. He can move/bend well and there is more than enough size/power to his game. Can he make faster decisions and will he adjust to whats thrown at him from the defense better than what he did in Miami? Those are the questions. I'd rather it be that than the other way around. Behind him is where I get concerned.
Brandon Mosley is the guy I want to trust the most with snaps. He has power to his game and the struggles he has shown have been more injury and experience-based more than anything. I think he has the physical ability to play the position at a high enough level, but still not top half of the league type quality.
Eric Herman was one of my favorite 2013 draft selections and after his practice squad year, I'll be curious to see if he is ready to play against NFl speed. He has the power and mentality.
I have not given up on James Brewer but I have never liked his game and I don't see much changing between last year and this season. Simply put he gets pushed around when he can't anticipate the action. He will rarely push guys back and he doesn't stick to his pass blocking assignments. I would actually be more confident in JD Walton or Weston Richburg playing his spot (whichever doesn't play C).
There isn't much available on the market now but that can change pretty fast. There are a lot of new bodies on this OL and the overall cohesion/chemistry won't be high no matter what....thus bringing in a new body once the cuts begin wouldn't be a big deal at all. There are a couple young guys around the league that I really liked int he draft grading process that could become available....I'll keep an eye out.
For all the well-discussed draft misses, we absolutely nailed the Snee pick...a bedrock of 2 epic Super Bowl champions
Although Herman faces a tough climb up the depth chart, he does have the advantage of being a born-and-bred OG. I think all the other candidates to replace Chris Snee were tackles or centers in college. That might mean his experience deficit is smaller than one might expect for a MAC lineman who hasn't taken an NFL snap. Not saying he has a realistic chance to start in 2014 - just that it would be great for the team if he can push short-timers like Jerry and Brewer.
...retire a few years back?
...James Brewer is a Jerry Reese OL draft bust special.
But come to think of it, Brewer isn't really a "draft bust special" since Jerry Reese has made a habit of drafting busts along the offensive line.
And so we enter another season as the THIN BLUE LINE.
Not good.
Great Giant and his shoes are tough to fill...
Also: I believe when a player retires, salary wise, it's like being released. Snee had a cap hit of $6,643,750 and dead money (if cut) of $5,550,000 according to Spotrac.com
That should result in the Giants having about $1,093,750 in cap savings as BBB said.
Snee was/is no longer an elite guard and I'm not sure I would say he would even be in the top 50% in the league anymore. NYG won't miss much if he does indeed retire.
The biggest blow is that it takes a bite out of the depth chart...a part of the depth chart that is among the weakest on the roster.
John Jerry appears to be the starter at RG, which you have to be OK with but no completely sold on. Talent wise he has the goods. He can move/bend well and there is more than enough size/power to his game. Can he make faster decisions and will he adjust to whats thrown at him from the defense better than what he did in Miami? Those are the questions. I'd rather it be that than the other way around. Behind him is where I get concerned.
Brandon Mosley is the guy I want to trust the most with snaps. He has power to his game and the struggles he has shown have been more injury and experience-based more than anything. I think he has the physical ability to play the position at a high enough level, but still not top half of the league type quality.
Eric Herman was one of my favorite 2013 draft selections and after his practice squad year, I'll be curious to see if he is ready to play against NFl speed. He has the power and mentality.
I have not given up on James Brewer but I have never liked his game and I don't see much changing between last year and this season. Simply put he gets pushed around when he can't anticipate the action. He will rarely push guys back and he doesn't stick to his pass blocking assignments. I would actually be more confident in JD Walton or Weston Richburg playing his spot (whichever doesn't play C).
There isn't much available on the market now but that can change pretty fast. There are a lot of new bodies on this OL and the overall cohesion/chemistry won't be high no matter what....thus bringing in a new body once the cuts begin wouldn't be a big deal at all. There are a couple young guys around the league that I really liked int he draft grading process that could become available....I'll keep an eye out.
Good analysis. Think Jerry will be given the first chance to start, with Mosley as a backup. Don't think Mosley is ready to start, at least not in game one.
Herman had offseason hip surgery IIRC. Not sure how that affects his future, but Snee retiring increases his chance of making the 53.
Brewer can only make it as a tackle now given our upgrades (Jerry, Schwartz, Richburg) at guard. I don't think he will, but that's his only chance IMO.
Best of luck Chris. You were a fantastic Giant.
Back onto the topic, I do wonder as one of the beat writers noted (I believe it was Jordan Raanan, could have been another) earlier this week that the contract Snee signed was extremely out of the ordinary; I wonder if they're any special provisions that kick into place for this exact scenario (whether its to the Giants benefit or Snee's).
p.s.-- All those people who made fun of me two months ago, oh well.....
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I just got a Score Mobile update with this info.
Same with NFL Network, Pro Football Talk and all the beat writers.
Per the New York Daily News' Ralph Vacchiano, Snee's surgically repaired elbow is "not good" after it forced him to be shut down during OTAs. Vacchiano also confirms "retirement is an option" for 32-year-old Snee, who's additionally undergone hip surgeries in back-to-back offseasons. A rumor appearing on the Giants fan site "Big Blue Interactive" claimed Sunday that Snee will "announce his retirement before training camp begins." The rumor hasn't been confirmed, but it certainly appears to be a realistic possibility. The Giants would likely turn to converted OT Brandon Mosley as Snee's replacement. Snee is a four-time Pro Bowler and Giants head coach Tom Coughlin's son-in-law.
Milton : 6/14/2014 10:28 pm
If Snee fails his pre-training camp physical and retires, he will be entitled to $1.1M in injury protection benefit according to Article 45 of the CBA (because it was the result of an injury from last season). I wonder if this is where things are heading and the Giants (including management, coaches, and Snee) are just going through the motions in order to be in compliance with the legalize....
Quote:ARTICLE 45 INJURY PROTECTION
Section 1.
Qualification:
A player qualifying under the following criteria will receive an Injury Protection benefit in accordance with Section 2 below:
(a) The player must have been physically unable, because of a severe football injury in an NFL game or practice, to participate in all or part of his Club’s last game of the season of injury, as certified by the Club physician following a physical examination after the last game; or the player must have undergone Club-authorized surgery in the off-season following the season of injury; and
(b) The player must have undergone whatever reasonable and customary rehabilitation treatment his Club required of him during the off-season following the season of injury; and
(c) The player must have failed the preseason physical examination given by the Club physician for the season following the season of injury because of such injury and as a result his Club must have terminated his contract for the season following the season of injury. This preseason physical may be given by the Club physician prior to the beginning of preseason camp, so long as such fact is clearly communicated in writing to the player at the time of the physical exam. The preseason physical examination given for qualification need not be the entire Standard Minimum Preseason Physical Examination, but shall be that necessary and appropriate to evaluate the injury for which the benefit is sought.
Section 2.
Benefit:
A player qualifying under Section 1 above will receive an amount equal to 50% of his Paragraph 5 Salary for the season following the season of injury, up to a maximum payment of: $1,000,000, in the 2011–12 League Years; $1,050,000, in the 2013–14 League Years; $1,100,000, in the 2015–16 League Years; $1,150,000, in the 2017–18 League Years; and $1,200,000, in the 2019–2020 League Years; in each case unless he has individually negotiated more injury protection or a larger guaranteed salary in his contract. The benefit will be paid to the player in equal weekly installments commencing no later than the date of the first regular season game, which benefit payments will cease if the player signs a contract for that season with another Club.
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Other than it being a big deal if you are thinking about the fan-based sentimental side of it.
Snee was/is no longer an elite guard and I'm not sure I would say he would even be in the top 50% in the league anymore. NYG won't miss much if he does indeed retire.
The biggest blow is that it takes a bite out of the depth chart...a part of the depth chart that is among the weakest on the roster.
John Jerry appears to be the starter at RG, which you have to be OK with but no completely sold on. Talent wise he has the goods. He can move/bend well and there is more than enough size/power to his game. Can he make faster decisions and will he adjust to whats thrown at him from the defense better than what he did in Miami? Those are the questions. I'd rather it be that than the other way around. Behind him is where I get concerned.
Brandon Mosley is the guy I want to trust the most with snaps. He has power to his game and the struggles he has shown have been more injury and experience-based more than anything. I think he has the physical ability to play the position at a high enough level, but still not top half of the league type quality.
Eric Herman was one of my favorite 2013 draft selections and after his practice squad year, I'll be curious to see if he is ready to play against NFl speed. He has the power and mentality.
I have not given up on James Brewer but I have never liked his game and I don't see much changing between last year and this season. Simply put he gets pushed around when he can't anticipate the action. He will rarely push guys back and he doesn't stick to his pass blocking assignments. I would actually be more confident in JD Walton or Weston Richburg playing his spot (whichever doesn't play C).
There isn't much available on the market now but that can change pretty fast. There are a lot of new bodies on this OL and the overall cohesion/chemistry won't be high no matter what....thus bringing in a new body once the cuts begin wouldn't be a big deal at all. There are a couple young guys around the league that I really liked int he draft grading process that could become available....I'll keep an eye out.
Good analysis. Think Jerry will be given the first chance to start, with Mosley as a backup. Don't think Mosley is ready to start, at least not in game one.
Herman had offseason hip surgery IIRC. Not sure how that affects his future, but Snee retiring increases his chance of making the 53.
Brewer can only make it as a tackle now given our upgrades (Jerry, Schwartz, Richburg) at guard. I don't think he will, but that's his only chance IMO.
Best of luck Chris. You were a fantastic Giant.
mosley played well in limited time he played last year before breaking his hand. I would say straight 50-50 on who starts between him and jerry
And by doing so, the Giants aren't doing him any favors (as others seem to think I'm suggesting). It's a legal responsibility and it would be the same if they cut him today or if they had cut him in March. All that is required for him to fulfill the requirements is that he spend the off-season rehabbing an injury from the previous year and that he be unable to pass a team physical at the beginning of training camp, forcing him to retire. It doesn't have to be the Giants who fail him, it could be any team in the NFL, but this is the classier route. At least that's my understanding of how the protection clause works.
This may even have been a consideration when he accepted the paycut to a reduced salary which "coincidentally" matches the exact amount that would entitle him to the maximum injury benefit (50% of his $2M salary equals the $1M maximum). In this way, the paycut gave the Giants the cap room they desired in free agency without costing Snee any money if his rehab failed and he was forced to retire.
Hat tip to Giants blog Big Blue Interactive for having this before anyone else. Initial reports indicated Snee would meet with team brass to discuss retirement, but Graziano reports Snee "has indeed decided to retire" at age 32. The four-time Pro Bowler's loss is a big one for Big Blue, as Brandon Mosley (59 career snaps) is now ticketed for right guard duties, with Will Beatty, Geoff Schwartz, J.D. Walton, and Justin Pugh at the other four spots. O-Line injuries torpedoed the Giants' running game last season. While we're trying to stay optimistic that won't happen again this year, things have certainly not gotten off on the right foot.
he'll get injured...eli will be doing lots of 2-3 step screens...
hop his short pass accuracy improves.
The guy that nobody's talking about is Reynolds. Except for the unfortunate missed block that caused Eli's injury, he actually played pretty well, last year. Something tells me he's the positive "X" factor in these hard times.
Or the Zach Martin vs ODB Jr debate...
If there were people expecting him to play well and contribute this season, that's fine..but to me it was always a wing and a prayer. I honestly do not think the Giants were in that group. It was always up in the air that he'd be able to come back, and even if he did, to be an improved player.
He was a great player - and it is unfortunate because G can play well into their 30's. his body gave out
This man gave 110% every play, every game, every season for 10 yrs as a New York Giant. THANK YOU Chris Snee
Again thanks Vin for the heads up
"This one hurts...... U always have guys that come to fight with you on the gridiron but very rarely do u find a guy who FIGHTS 100% of the time no matter how he feels. This guy gave the team his all. I begged him to come back and give me one more year. He tried but I guess it's time for him to leave the game. I can respect that. FIRST CLASS GUY ALL THE WAY AROUND. #offandonswitch #mybrother #nygfamilyforlife"
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