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RUMOR: Chris Snee will retire tomorrow

Vin_Cuccs : 7/20/2014 4:23 pm
Don't shoot the messenger.

I know this has been discussed quite a bit here in the last week or so in light of the article from Jordan Raanan but I just heard from a source that Snee will in fact announce his retirement before training camp begins.

A very close friend of mine is an attorney in New York/New Jersey and an attorney his department is an agent for a few NFL players.

Every now and then he will toss me a few pieces of info and he has been correct in the past.

I am not guaranteeing accuracy, but his text was
"Chris Snee will retire tomorrow. You heard it here first."

Again, don't shoot the messenger, just passing along information.
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Can't overreact to this  
Sy'56 : 7/20/2014 5:57 pm : link
Other than it being a big deal if you are thinking about the fan-based sentimental side of it.

Snee was/is no longer an elite guard and I'm not sure I would say he would even be in the top 50% in the league anymore. NYG won't miss much if he does indeed retire.

The biggest blow is that it takes a bite out of the depth chart...a part of the depth chart that is among the weakest on the roster.

John Jerry appears to be the starter at RG, which you have to be OK with but no completely sold on. Talent wise he has the goods. He can move/bend well and there is more than enough size/power to his game. Can he make faster decisions and will he adjust to whats thrown at him from the defense better than what he did in Miami? Those are the questions. I'd rather it be that than the other way around. Behind him is where I get concerned.

Brandon Mosley is the guy I want to trust the most with snaps. He has power to his game and the struggles he has shown have been more injury and experience-based more than anything. I think he has the physical ability to play the position at a high enough level, but still not top half of the league type quality.

Eric Herman was one of my favorite 2013 draft selections and after his practice squad year, I'll be curious to see if he is ready to play against NFl speed. He has the power and mentality.

I have not given up on James Brewer but I have never liked his game and I don't see much changing between last year and this season. Simply put he gets pushed around when he can't anticipate the action. He will rarely push guys back and he doesn't stick to his pass blocking assignments. I would actually be more confident in JD Walton or Weston Richburg playing his spot (whichever doesn't play C).

There isn't much available on the market now but that can change pretty fast. There are a lot of new bodies on this OL and the overall cohesion/chemistry won't be high no matter what....thus bringing in a new body once the cuts begin wouldn't be a big deal at all. There are a couple young guys around the league that I really liked int he draft grading process that could become available....I'll keep an eye out.
BBB  
Jolly Blue Giant : 7/20/2014 5:57 pm : link
If that's the case (cap savings) then I take back my post above yours.
There will always be a job for him  
spike : 7/20/2014 6:15 pm : link
in the organization post retirement.
HE should've gotten  
spike : 7/20/2014 6:16 pm : link
the BBI trophy this year
That's sad  
Phil in LA : 7/20/2014 6:25 pm : link
if true. He was a truly great Giant.
Injuries really took their toll on him  
steve in ky : 7/20/2014 6:31 pm : link
He went from great to not so quickly as a result.
Yup, inevitable at some point soon, whether it's now or not  
mfsd : 7/20/2014 6:43 pm : link
football is a tough sport, hope he can walk away in good enough health to enjoy life after football

For all the well-discussed draft misses, we absolutely nailed the Snee pick...a bedrock of 2 epic Super Bowl champions
Sy: Longer term, Eric Herman might be the best-case scenario.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/20/2014 6:44 pm : link
Herman spent his redshirt season on the practice squad, unlike Mosley(IR) or Brewer (inactive). So he didn't earn a credited year of service. That means the Giants control his rights through 2017.

Although Herman faces a tough climb up the depth chart, he does have the advantage of being a born-and-bred OG. I think all the other candidates to replace Chris Snee were tackles or centers in college. That might mean his experience deficit is smaller than one might expect for a MAC lineman who hasn't taken an NFL snap. Not saying he has a realistic chance to start in 2014 - just that it would be great for the team if he can push short-timers like Jerry and Brewer.
It's time.  
arcarsenal : 7/20/2014 6:46 pm : link
Hoping he makes the right call here and hangs them up. I really don't think it's worth it for him to attempt to continue playing.
Didn't Chris Snee...  
M.S. : 7/20/2014 6:59 pm : link

...retire a few years back?
Sy'56...  
M.S. : 7/20/2014 7:04 pm : link

...James Brewer is a Jerry Reese OL draft bust special.

But come to think of it, Brewer isn't really a "draft bust special" since Jerry Reese has made a habit of drafting busts along the offensive line.

And so we enter another season as the THIN BLUE LINE.

Not good.

Nice job Vin if true....  
Jimmy Googs : 7/20/2014 7:14 pm : link
if not tomorrow then it'll be in a few weeks anyway. No way he was going to make it this season after struggling thru OTAs.

Great Giant and his shoes are tough to fill...
Eric Herman has been an  
mrvax : 7/20/2014 7:16 pm : link
intriguing prospect. He was Mr. Pancake in college; set his college record for most pancakes. I really hope this young guy improves to the point where he can start.

Also: I believe when a player retires, salary wise, it's like being released. Snee had a cap hit of $6,643,750 and dead money (if cut) of $5,550,000 according to Spotrac.com
That should result in the Giants having about $1,093,750 in cap savings as BBB said.
RE: Can't overreact to this  
AcidTest : 7/20/2014 7:36 pm : link
In comment 11773706 Sy'56 said:
Quote:
Other than it being a big deal if you are thinking about the fan-based sentimental side of it.

Snee was/is no longer an elite guard and I'm not sure I would say he would even be in the top 50% in the league anymore. NYG won't miss much if he does indeed retire.

The biggest blow is that it takes a bite out of the depth chart...a part of the depth chart that is among the weakest on the roster.

John Jerry appears to be the starter at RG, which you have to be OK with but no completely sold on. Talent wise he has the goods. He can move/bend well and there is more than enough size/power to his game. Can he make faster decisions and will he adjust to whats thrown at him from the defense better than what he did in Miami? Those are the questions. I'd rather it be that than the other way around. Behind him is where I get concerned.

Brandon Mosley is the guy I want to trust the most with snaps. He has power to his game and the struggles he has shown have been more injury and experience-based more than anything. I think he has the physical ability to play the position at a high enough level, but still not top half of the league type quality.

Eric Herman was one of my favorite 2013 draft selections and after his practice squad year, I'll be curious to see if he is ready to play against NFl speed. He has the power and mentality.

I have not given up on James Brewer but I have never liked his game and I don't see much changing between last year and this season. Simply put he gets pushed around when he can't anticipate the action. He will rarely push guys back and he doesn't stick to his pass blocking assignments. I would actually be more confident in JD Walton or Weston Richburg playing his spot (whichever doesn't play C).

There isn't much available on the market now but that can change pretty fast. There are a lot of new bodies on this OL and the overall cohesion/chemistry won't be high no matter what....thus bringing in a new body once the cuts begin wouldn't be a big deal at all. There are a couple young guys around the league that I really liked int he draft grading process that could become available....I'll keep an eye out.


Good analysis. Think Jerry will be given the first chance to start, with Mosley as a backup. Don't think Mosley is ready to start, at least not in game one.

Herman had offseason hip surgery IIRC. Not sure how that affects his future, but Snee retiring increases his chance of making the 53.

Brewer can only make it as a tackle now given our upgrades (Jerry, Schwartz, Richburg) at guard. I don't think he will, but that's his only chance IMO.

Best of luck Chris. You were a fantastic Giant.
sort of off topic  
Steve in Greenwich : 7/20/2014 7:43 pm : link
but its nice to see the clout this site has when someone posts possible inside info they hear that sounds plausible it leads to each Giant beat writer tracking down the info and publishing articles on a Sunday afternoon that otherwise may have gone unnoted until an announcement tomorrow.

Back onto the topic, I do wonder as one of the beat writers noted (I believe it was Jordan Raanan, could have been another) earlier this week that the contract Snee signed was extremely out of the ordinary; I wonder if they're any special provisions that kick into place for this exact scenario (whether its to the Giants benefit or Snee's).
I predicted this one :/  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/20/2014 8:10 pm : link
.
As I said two days ago (and two months ago, too, if anyone remembers)  
Milton : 7/20/2014 8:36 pm : link
"As for Snee, I'm gonna predict that he fails his physical, collects his $1M injury protection benefit, and announces his retirement."

Quote:
The Injury Protection Benefit is a benefit available to a player if he meets the following criteria: (1) Suffers an injury in an NFL game or practice which causes him to be unable to play in all or part of the last game of the season of injury, or, which results in club-authorized offseason surgery; (2) Undergoes reasonable and customary club-required rehabilitation in the offseason following the injury; and (3) Fails the club’s preseason physical for the season following the injury and his contract is terminated.

p.s.-- All those people who made fun of me two months ago, oh well.....
bbi  
SamdaGiantsFan : 7/20/2014 8:37 pm : link
gettin' some cred on rotoworld, gotta love it.
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RUMOR  
Giantology : 7/20/2014 8:39 pm : link
Vin's attorney friend is like WTF dude I didn't mean for you to make this go viral!!!
Wow.  
Vin_Cuccs : 7/20/2014 8:51 pm : link
This really picked up steam quickly.

I just got a Score Mobile update with this info.

Same with NFL Network, Pro Football Talk and all the beat writers.
BBI  
PEEJ : 7/20/2014 8:58 pm : link
has eyes and ears EVERYWHERE..
Via rotoworld....  
kmed : 7/20/2014 9:03 pm : link
Giants RG Chris Snee will meet with team brass on Monday to contemplate whether Snee should continue his playing career.
Per the New York Daily News' Ralph Vacchiano, Snee's surgically repaired elbow is "not good" after it forced him to be shut down during OTAs. Vacchiano also confirms "retirement is an option" for 32-year-old Snee, who's additionally undergone hip surgeries in back-to-back offseasons. A rumor appearing on the Giants fan site "Big Blue Interactive" claimed Sunday that Snee will "announce his retirement before training camp begins." The rumor hasn't been confirmed, but it certainly appears to be a realistic possibility. The Giants would likely turn to converted OT Brandon Mosley as Snee's replacement. Snee is a four-time Pro Bowler and Giants head coach Tom Coughlin's son-in-law.
This was posted by Milton last month...  
Mike in Philly : 7/20/2014 9:08 pm : link


Milton : 6/14/2014 10:28 pm

If Snee fails his pre-training camp physical and retires, he will be entitled to $1.1M in injury protection benefit according to Article 45 of the CBA (because it was the result of an injury from last season). I wonder if this is where things are heading and the Giants (including management, coaches, and Snee) are just going through the motions in order to be in compliance with the legalize....

Quote:ARTICLE 45 INJURY PROTECTION
Section 1.
Qualification:
A player qualifying under the following criteria will receive an Injury Protection benefit in accordance with Section 2 below:
(a) The player must have been physically unable, because of a severe football injury in an NFL game or practice, to participate in all or part of his Club’s last game of the season of injury, as certified by the Club physician following a physical examination after the last game; or the player must have undergone Club-authorized surgery in the off-season following the season of injury; and
(b) The player must have undergone whatever reasonable and customary rehabilitation treatment his Club required of him during the off-season following the season of injury; and
(c) The player must have failed the preseason physical examination given by the Club physician for the season following the season of injury because of such injury and as a result his Club must have terminated his contract for the season following the season of injury. This preseason physical may be given by the Club physician prior to the beginning of preseason camp, so long as such fact is clearly communicated in writing to the player at the time of the physical exam. The preseason physical examination given for qualification need not be the entire Standard Minimum Preseason Physical Examination, but shall be that necessary and appropriate to evaluate the injury for which the benefit is sought.

Section 2.
Benefit:
A player qualifying under Section 1 above will receive an amount equal to 50% of his Paragraph 5 Salary for the season following the season of injury, up to a maximum payment of: $1,000,000, in the 2011–12 League Years; $1,050,000, in the 2013–14 League Years; $1,100,000, in the 2015–16 League Years; $1,150,000, in the 2017–18 League Years; and $1,200,000, in the 2019–2020 League Years; in each case unless he has individually negotiated more injury protection or a larger guaranteed salary in his contract. The benefit will be paid to the player in equal weekly installments commencing no later than the date of the first regular season game, which benefit payments will cease if the player signs a contract for that season with another Club.


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If true, it should re-ignite  
bob in tx : 7/20/2014 9:32 pm : link
the Gabe Jackson v. Bromley debate concerning the 3rd round pick.
RE: RE: Can't overreact to this  
CGiants07 : 7/20/2014 9:40 pm : link
In comment 11773820 AcidTest said:
Quote:
In comment 11773706 Sy'56 said:


Quote:


Other than it being a big deal if you are thinking about the fan-based sentimental side of it.

Snee was/is no longer an elite guard and I'm not sure I would say he would even be in the top 50% in the league anymore. NYG won't miss much if he does indeed retire.

The biggest blow is that it takes a bite out of the depth chart...a part of the depth chart that is among the weakest on the roster.

John Jerry appears to be the starter at RG, which you have to be OK with but no completely sold on. Talent wise he has the goods. He can move/bend well and there is more than enough size/power to his game. Can he make faster decisions and will he adjust to whats thrown at him from the defense better than what he did in Miami? Those are the questions. I'd rather it be that than the other way around. Behind him is where I get concerned.

Brandon Mosley is the guy I want to trust the most with snaps. He has power to his game and the struggles he has shown have been more injury and experience-based more than anything. I think he has the physical ability to play the position at a high enough level, but still not top half of the league type quality.

Eric Herman was one of my favorite 2013 draft selections and after his practice squad year, I'll be curious to see if he is ready to play against NFl speed. He has the power and mentality.

I have not given up on James Brewer but I have never liked his game and I don't see much changing between last year and this season. Simply put he gets pushed around when he can't anticipate the action. He will rarely push guys back and he doesn't stick to his pass blocking assignments. I would actually be more confident in JD Walton or Weston Richburg playing his spot (whichever doesn't play C).

There isn't much available on the market now but that can change pretty fast. There are a lot of new bodies on this OL and the overall cohesion/chemistry won't be high no matter what....thus bringing in a new body once the cuts begin wouldn't be a big deal at all. There are a couple young guys around the league that I really liked int he draft grading process that could become available....I'll keep an eye out.



Good analysis. Think Jerry will be given the first chance to start, with Mosley as a backup. Don't think Mosley is ready to start, at least not in game one.

Herman had offseason hip surgery IIRC. Not sure how that affects his future, but Snee retiring increases his chance of making the 53.

Brewer can only make it as a tackle now given our upgrades (Jerry, Schwartz, Richburg) at guard. I don't think he will, but that's his only chance IMO.

Best of luck Chris. You were a fantastic Giant.


mosley played well in limited time he played last year before breaking his hand. I would say straight 50-50 on who starts between him and jerry
Thanks, Mike  
Milton : 7/20/2014 9:50 pm : link
Another key comment from the archived thread that relates to recent discussions about the "odd" contract he was given by the Giants....
Quote:
What I mean by "going through the motions" is basically following the protocol that will eventually lead to the decision for him to retire and receive the $1M benefit payment that is his due based on the CBA.

And by doing so, the Giants aren't doing him any favors (as others seem to think I'm suggesting). It's a legal responsibility and it would be the same if they cut him today or if they had cut him in March. All that is required for him to fulfill the requirements is that he spend the off-season rehabbing an injury from the previous year and that he be unable to pass a team physical at the beginning of training camp, forcing him to retire. It doesn't have to be the Giants who fail him, it could be any team in the NFL, but this is the classier route. At least that's my understanding of how the protection clause works.

This may even have been a consideration when he accepted the paycut to a reduced salary which "coincidentally" matches the exact amount that would entitle him to the maximum injury benefit (50% of his $2M salary equals the $1M maximum). In this way, the paycut gave the Giants the cap room they desired in free agency without costing Snee any money if his rehab failed and he was forced to retire.

Good job, Vinny!  
Anakim : 7/20/2014 9:50 pm : link
ESPN's Dan Graziano reports Giants RG Chris Snee will announce his retirement from the NFL on Monday.
Hat tip to Giants blog Big Blue Interactive for having this before anyone else. Initial reports indicated Snee would meet with team brass to discuss retirement, but Graziano reports Snee "has indeed decided to retire" at age 32. The four-time Pro Bowler's loss is a big one for Big Blue, as Brandon Mosley (59 career snaps) is now ticketed for right guard duties, with Will Beatty, Geoff Schwartz, J.D. Walton, and Justin Pugh at the other four spots. O-Line injuries torpedoed the Giants' running game last season. While we're trying to stay optimistic that won't happen again this year, things have certainly not gotten off on the right foot.
I predicted it  
SBlue46 : 7/20/2014 9:56 pm : link
6 months ago TC got his money now he leaves thought he would went to camp....we need a vet ot or g....beatty will be next...
he'll get injured...eli will be doing lots of 2-3 step screens...
hop his short pass accuracy improves.
Great player gone too soon  
BillT : 7/20/2014 9:59 pm : link
That said I think it will be Mosley who gets the first shot at RG with Jerry in waiting. But what do I know.
I'm a big Herman fan too ...  
Manny in CA : 7/20/2014 10:04 pm : link
And think he's a natural right guard, but as stead he's coming off hip surgery. We saw what that did to Snee (a more experienced and fully developed player). I don't think Herman can help this year (hope I'm wrong).

The guy that nobody's talking about is Reynolds. Except for the unfortunate missed block that caused Eli's injury, he actually played pretty well, last year. Something tells me he's the positive "X" factor in these hard times.
.  
steve in ky : 7/20/2014 10:24 pm : link
Well for all of those who wanted a revamping of the OL  
PatersonPlank : 7/20/2014 10:24 pm : link
they have gotten it. 3/5 of the line will be new, and its the middle three. This was arguably the biggest problem, with a lot of pressure being generated right into Eli's face.
RE: If true, it should re-ignite  
SamdaGiantsFan : 7/20/2014 10:48 pm : link
In comment 11773917 bob in tx said:
Quote:
the Gabe Jackson v. Bromley debate concerning the 3rd round pick.


Or the Zach Martin vs ODB Jr debate...
I want to wait till we know for sure  
Phil in LA : 7/20/2014 10:53 pm : link
before writing on the appreciation thread.
All due respect to Chris Snee, who is a warrior, but Dan Graziano  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/20/2014 11:16 pm : link
must be a moron to think him retiring is a big loss if he can't play. He hasn't been himself in years.
It is a big loss because  
Essex : 7/21/2014 7:37 am : link
He got the "scoop " that he I is retiring (which he actually didn't because the op had it yesterday). Anyway, no reporter wants to be the guy breaking a story on a non impactful player retiring. Snee was a great Giant, but unfortunately injuries limited his career and his impact since 2012. I will always appreciate him.
Always a shame when  
kmed : 7/21/2014 7:46 am : link
a great career is cut short due to injury.
Can't they cut out one of James Brewer's elbows  
Jimmy Googs : 7/21/2014 8:02 am : link
and implant it into Snee. Its not like he is using it correctly anyway...
There were a lot if people  
Jolly Blue Giant : 7/21/2014 8:26 am : link
That had him slotted to potentially start if healthy. It's a big loss on paper.
RE: There were a lot if people  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/21/2014 8:53 am : link
In comment 11774156 Jolly Blue Giant said:
Quote:
That had him slotted to potentially start if healthy. It's a big loss on paper.


If there were people expecting him to play well and contribute this season, that's fine..but to me it was always a wing and a prayer. I honestly do not think the Giants were in that group. It was always up in the air that he'd be able to come back, and even if he did, to be an improved player.
Snee  
stretch234 : 7/21/2014 9:02 am : link
I had always thought he initially was coming back for the wrong reason of not wanting to go out hurt last year. When you are as beat up as he is with all the recent surgeries, at his age, trying to play 1 more year while still being beat up helps no one.

He was a great player - and it is unfortunate because G can play well into their 30's. his body gave out
Weatherford already  
Josh in the City : 7/21/2014 9:22 am : link
thanking Chris Snee for his years as a Giant. Seems like a done deal.

Quote:
@Weatherford5
This man gave 110% every play, every game, every season for 10 yrs as a New York Giant. THANK YOU Chris Snee
Vin_Cuccs with the early lead on "asshat info" of the year  
PatersonPlank : 7/21/2014 9:35 am : link
and he's way out in front. It will be tough to catch him.
Good job as usual Vin  
Big Blue '56 : 7/21/2014 9:52 am : link
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sad to see finally come about  
micky : 7/21/2014 9:58 am : link
Snee has been one the great Giants guards. Best of wishes in his retirement.


Again thanks Vin for the heads up
Antrel Rolle  
soz915 : 7/21/2014 10:50 am : link
just posted the same picture as Weatherford that Josh in the City posted above. Rolle added the following caption:

"This one hurts...... U always have guys that come to fight with you on the gridiron but very rarely do u find a guy who FIGHTS 100% of the time no matter how he feels. This guy gave the team his all. I begged him to come back and give me one more year. He tried but I guess it's time for him to leave the game. I can respect that. FIRST CLASS GUY ALL THE WAY AROUND. #offandonswitch #mybrother #nygfamilyforlife"
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time to move on  
mdc1 : 7/21/2014 11:10 am : link
. Should have been done long ago.
Thanks Champion Snee !!!!  
shabu : 7/21/2014 12:02 pm : link
2 time superbowl champ !!!!!!!
Good job Vin  
mrvax : 7/21/2014 2:32 pm : link
You are a 2014 asshat!
Boom  
JonC : 7/21/2014 3:21 pm : link
Well done, Vin.
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